Author Topic: Star Wars Discussion Thread v. Rogue One (Read 461272 times)

Super Dude · « **Reply #630 on:** August 26, 2011, 07:13:59 PM »

Y'know somethin? Aside from the first TPM shot and the one of Luke training with the remote, I don't notice anything different in any of those shots.

bosk1 · « **Reply #631 on:** August 26, 2011, 07:24:04 PM »

I didn't either on first glance. But when you read the article, it points out what was changed, and then it's pretty obvious.

Super Dude · « **Reply #632 on:** August 26, 2011, 07:26:33 PM »

Well sure, I didn't read them and I'm not going to. I wanted to see if I could see the difference for myself. I mean, of the million and a half average schmucks who will go out and buy this thing, how many of them will have read online what the specific changes are? Are they gonna actually notice a difference or say "Same old shit?"

zepp-head · « **Reply #633 on:** August 26, 2011, 07:29:55 PM »

Those are pretty tame comparison shots. The one's I've seen are much more obvious.

Super Dude · « **Reply #634 on:** August 26, 2011, 07:42:40 PM »

Alright, so shouldn't they have put up the more obvious ones so people can actually see the difference?

zepp-head · « **Reply #635 on:** August 26, 2011, 08:04:56 PM »

You'd think so, yeah :/

Let me see if I can dig up a few.

blackngold29 · « **Reply #636 on:** August 26, 2011, 09:10:10 PM »

https://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/starwarsbds/preview.html

Again, per that article from a guy who actually saw the blu-rays and writes about them for a living, they look pretty damn good. They did not just use the same transfers as the DVDs from a few years ago, people on amazon who review a product before seeing it are idiotic.

Probably the same kind of people who connect their blu ray players to their tv with something not an HDMI cable and then say it sucks.

senecadawg2 · « **Reply #637 on:** August 26, 2011, 10:41:12 PM »

Great story, but I can't help thinking the script is poorly written.

Adami · « **Reply #638 on:** August 26, 2011, 10:43:17 PM »

Quote from: senecadawg2 on August 26, 2011, 10:41:12 PM

Great story, but I can't help thinking the script is poorly written.

For all 6 movies?

orcus116 · « **Reply #639 on:** August 26, 2011, 11:32:52 PM »

I'd disagree for the original three. He had fairly prominent sci-fi writers of the time editing his work IIRC.

senecadawg2 · « **Reply #640 on:** August 26, 2011, 11:37:11 PM »

Quote from: Adami on August 26, 2011, 10:43:17 PM

Quote from: senecadawg2 on August 26, 2011, 10:41:12 PM
Great story, but I can't help thinking the script is poorly written.

For all 6 movies?

Yes I should have been more clear, definitely more so for the three newest. Although the original three aren't by any means the best written movies either. It also probably doesn't help that I despise the actor for Luke Skywalker. However, like I said, I do love the story.

Fiery Winds · « **Reply #641 on:** August 26, 2011, 11:52:15 PM »

Quote from: blackngold29 on August 26, 2011, 09:10:10 PM

https://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/starwarsbds/preview.html

Again, per that article from a guy who actually saw the blu-rays and writes about them for a living, they look pretty damn good. They did not just use the same transfers as the DVDs from a few years ago, people on amazon who review a product before seeing it are idiotic.

Probably the same kind of people who connect their blu ray players to their tv with something not an HDMI cable and then say it sucks.

Technically they did, in that they aren't transferring from film to digital again. They're using the same digital transfer used for the DVD's as the starting point which some people (Amazon reviewers) are misinterpreting as being simply a port from DVD to Blu-Ray. Granted, I wish that when they transferred the film to digital they would have done it at a higher resolution instead of 2k, but it's still sufficient for Blu-Ray. Also, when the prequels were filmed, they only captured it at 1080P.

blackngold29 · « **Reply #642 on:** August 27, 2011, 12:05:40 AM »

Oh, I see.

...there are improvements in the image quality of the Prequel films on Blu-ray simply related to the improved "state of the art" of mastering from digital source material... It's accurate to say that these are probably built from the same negative scans that were done for the 2004 DVD release, at whatever resolution those were produced. (Note that I'm working to determine the exact resolution of the original digital masters of all the films...)

I don't entirely understand the whole process. My point was just that it's not the DVD file burned onto a Blu-ray disc, which is what some people appear to think.

Would the norm in 1997 or 98 have been to shoot at much higher than 1080p? I mean, I can look at a TV and know if it's HD or not (or if it's component cable or HDMI). But can you really see a difference between 1080p and 2k or 4k?

orcus116 · « **Reply #643 on:** August 27, 2011, 12:09:34 AM »

That might have to do more on the editing end.

Fiery Winds · « **Reply #644 on:** August 27, 2011, 12:15:01 AM »

All other things being equal, I don't believe there is any difference between a 2k, 4k, or 8k transfer when put on Blu-Ray, since they all need to be down-scaled.

Quote from: orcus116 on August 27, 2011, 12:09:34 AM

That might have to do more on the editing end.

This.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the technical process of transferring film to digital has improved drastically since the DVD editions, so even just a 2k transfer now would probably look better, which is why I can understand fans being upset that they aren't taking this route.

orcus116 · « **Reply #645 on:** August 27, 2011, 12:19:40 AM »

Were 2k and 4k even available back then? Might explain it.

Fiery Winds · « **Reply #646 on:** August 27, 2011, 12:30:19 AM »

Quote from: orcus116 on August 27, 2011, 12:19:40 AM

Were 2k and 4k even available back then? Might explain it.

Based on what little research I've done, I'm pretty sure that they did a 2k transfer.

https://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/05/star-wars.ars/

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It's unclear how the film exists digitally within Lucasfilm, but Kaminski does know one thing: the scanning done in the past has become obsolete. "The 1997 SE scans were done in 2K and the 2004 Special Edition was done in 1080p, but now the standard is 8K (4 times the 1997 SE and about 7 times the quality of the 2004 SE), and the color reproduction is better too," he says.

I believe the 7 times quality is a mistaken calculation as it should be measured using the horizontal width, which is 1920 (~2k).

zepp-head · « **Reply #647 on:** August 27, 2011, 08:48:23 AM »

Also, just something to keep in mind, only Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith were shot completely in digital. Two scenes in The Phantom Menace were recorded this way. In fact, AOTC was the first full length digital movie to be released in theaters if I remember correctly, though I could be wrong.

TL · « **Reply #648 on:** August 27, 2011, 10:55:42 AM »

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All other things being equal, I don't believe there is any difference between a 2k, 4k, or 8k transfer when put on Blu-Ray, since they all need to be down-scaled.

This. While there's certainly a difference if you actually have the equipment to display the higher resolutions, they'll all look basically the same when scaled down to 1080p.

Everything I've heard indicates that everything they originally shot digitally was at least 2k.

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #649 on:** August 30, 2011, 06:28:45 PM »

https://www.aintitcool.com/node/51019

ZBomber · « **Reply #650 on:** August 30, 2011, 06:30:45 PM »

WHY

WDFJSDGFLKSDFJGSD

WHAT THE HELL THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHY WOULD HE EVEN CHANGE THAT

with all that said, I just ordered the blu rays last night.

Adami · « **Reply #651 on:** August 30, 2011, 06:31:19 PM »

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 30, 2011, 06:28:45 PM

https://www.aintitcool.com/node/51019

I am going to stay in denial and assume that's not true.

But if it's true, then George Lucas will be revealed as the greatest troll in movie history.

GuineaPig · « **Reply #652 on:** August 30, 2011, 06:55:31 PM »

I have the feeling that it's too bad to be true.

ZBomber · « **Reply #653 on:** August 30, 2011, 07:08:54 PM »

God, I hope so.

Pols Voice · « **Reply #654 on:** August 30, 2011, 07:26:24 PM »

Th-that can't be real. That scene (without the no) is the greatest scene in all of Star Wars, and maybe the greatest scene IN MOVIE HISTORY. If he put that in there, he must be absolutely insane. INSANE. *sobs in the corner*

ZBomber · « **Reply #655 on:** August 30, 2011, 07:44:59 PM »

If that video is not just someone trolling, then I'm seriously considering cancelling my preorder of the blu-rays.

Horatio · « **Reply #656 on:** August 30, 2011, 08:45:41 PM »

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on August 30, 2011, 06:28:45 PM

https://www.aintitcool.com/node/51019

Holy shit that completely ruins the mood. Laughing hard.

Man, fuck Lucas. The worst part is that these are going to be considered the "definitive" editions from here on out (at least, until resolutions triple and he decides to "retouch" the series again), so our kids will only be able to see the original unmangled versions of these movies in upscaled and blurred form. Maybe we'll get a fan fix or something though.

orcus116 · « **Reply #657 on:** August 30, 2011, 10:24:12 PM »

I'm going to save the original VHS copies I have and show my kids those.

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #658 on:** August 30, 2011, 11:08:51 PM »

I cant buy into this no thing until it's 100% confirmed. Even for Lucas, this is too unreal.

MetalJunkie · « **Reply #659 on:** August 31, 2011, 03:11:10 AM »

I feel like I should be surprised, but I'm not.

Summers · « **Reply #660 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:53:45 AM »

I think it would be good if he used lots of CGI to change Han into that green alien thing he wanted him to be before.

Super Dude · « **Reply #661 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:26:39 AM »

Part of me thinks that's gotta be fake. A large part of me is really hoping that part of me is right.

Summers · « **Reply #662 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:40:46 AM »

Wouldn't be surprised if it is real. Would really fuck me off though... ugh..

ZBomber · « **Reply #663 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:33:36 AM »

Canceled my order. Even if it does turn out to be a joke, better safe than sorry. I can always re-order it again if this proves to be false.

TheVoxyn · « **Reply #664 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:39:11 AM »

Fuck george.

News: Paralyzed official video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7m7l8iqGAk

Author Topic: Star Wars Discussion Thread v. Rogue One (Read 461272 times)