All Star Trek Discussion Thread ("Into Darkness" trailer released)

[El Barto]

I can only think of one thing that really didn't work with the TOS remasters.  None of the new ships or planets bothered me.  None of the improved explosions or special effects bothered me.  Mostly they never touched the actual themes, ideas or stories.  The one exception was The Ultimate Computer, where they CGI'ed lots of exciting, gee-whiz space fighting with the other ships.  The original with the 4, then 3, then 2 ships flying in that blocky formation was much more dramatic, I thought. 

[Orbert]

TOS got some fairly big changes.

I didn't realize that.  I love TOS, but I rarely buy TV shows on disc.  I just wouldn't rewatch them enough to warrant the cost, so I'd never investigated it.

[BlobVanDam]

TOS got some fairly big changes.

I didn't realize that.  I love TOS, but I rarely buy TV shows on disc.  I just wouldn't rewatch them enough to warrant the cost, so I'd never investigated it.

Well it depends on what you consider big changes. I'm not a purist, and I've never really seen the original episodes, so they don't bother me much overall.
But every space shot is replaced with CG, they've changed or replaced a lot of establishing shots of "planets", and added some other effects here and there. If you've seen them on TV any time recently though, they'd be the new updated versions. There aren't any George Lucas moments that I'm aware of, but if you're used to seeing them a certain way, there are differences and changes that some people have taken issue with.

[Orbert]

Makes sense.  Thanks for the info.  I probably will rent them sometime.

[ddtonfire]

They probably don't have the budget to digitally replace Wesley Crusher with someone else like we'd all hoped anyway.

[chrisbDTM]

about to watch star trek generations. not too excited though cause Bones isnt in it, and he is definitely my favorite ST character

[yorost]

Generations is great if you delete the middle 1/3.

[Kotowboy]

I love Generations, it was a huge spectacle in the cinema.

It's exciting, it looks great and has really moody music.

It's certainly a lot better than the tv movie that was Insurrection.

[Kotowboy]

Which is everyone's favourite Enterprise design ?

I think the Motion Picture Enterprise is not only the best looking Enterprise but the best looking spaceship in anything ever.
https://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/d/df/USS_Enterprise-A_quarter.jpg

Enterprise 2009 also looked cool and retro with it's almost 1950's stylings
https://img.trekmovie.com/images/fanmade/enterprise_wall10_1920.jpg

Then Enterprise B for being a cooler looking Excelsior.
https://culttvman.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/jluisentb001.jpg


I just never liked the look of Enterprise D - too fat - too curvy. And Enterprise C was just 

Enterprise C :    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7jZdTjX63Qc/TmIdhTDjWJI/AAAAAAAAI2o/zfkSfmNUtrc/s1600/enterprise+C.jpg

[BlobVanDam]

The original Enterprise / refit looked good.
The Enterprise B / Excelsior is an ugly dog that should be taken out and shot.
The Enterprise C is kind of stodgy and a rush job, so I mostly ignore it, but the recent finished Probert design is quite nice - https://bruce-domain.blogspot.com/2011/03/proberts-design-for-ambassador-class.html
The Enterprise D is really great from certain angles, but from other angles is stumpy looking, but I'm glad they did something original instead of just adding a speed stripe to the TOS model.
The Enterprise E is a sexy beast.

The Trek XI Enterprise is quite good, although the proportions are a bit weird. But I like most of the design changes. I love the chunky nacelles.

[Kotowboy]

I forgot about Enterprise E - she was criminally underused !!

Much better design than the Galaxy Class .

[ddtonfire]

Enterprise D. She's the perfect marriage of form and function.

[Kotowboy]

^ She isn't as elegant as The Refit Connie or even Enterprise E. D is just bulbous and as a bit too "futuristic space vessel" for me.

[ddtonfire]

That's ok. You'll never convince me.

[hefdaddy42]

^ She isn't as elegant as The Refit Connie or even Enterprise E. D is just bulbous and as a bit too "futuristic space vessel" for me.

It is, in fact, a futuristic space vessel.

[Kotowboy]

No shit.

I meant it's too obviously sci-fi spaceship looking. Too Cliche. Just all curves and lights.

[ddtonfire]

Just all curves and lights.

*drools*

That's how I like my women, too.

[hefdaddy42]

Just all curves and lights.

*drools*

That's how I like my women, too.

[Kotowboy]

Lights. . . . . .  Hmmmmmm......

[Kotowboy]

[MetalJunkie]

No shit.

I meant it's too obviously sci-fi spaceship looking. Too Cliche. Just all curves and lights.

Apple ship?

[Kotowboy]

It was an apple ship......







But they ejected the core... 

[Dublagent66]

I don't have time to read through this entire thread so I'm sorry if this has been asked before.

At the end of Star Trek Generations when Picard buries Kirk, I always thought it was rather odd that they chose to memorialize his death in that manner.  Is it because Kirk always knew that he would die alone and they chose to characterize his memorial that way?

[Orbert]

Something like that.  The whole premise of "Generations" -- something tantamount to time travel, but using "the nexus" -- creates a ton of logistical problems.  James T. Kirk is a legend.  Captain of the flagship for years, promoted to Admiral, busted back to Captain and thus the captain of the flagship again, then in a bizarro event he is "killed".  Gone.

But it turns out he's not killed, he's just in "the nexus", and 80some years later, Picard convinces him to leave it so he can help make a difference again.  Except they don't really tell anyone.  There's no press release, no celebration honoring the return of a legend, they just go off and fight Soran.  So when Kirk dies, actually dies this time, what are they gonna do?  He's been "dead" for... generations.  What can Picard do?  Tell everyone that Kirk wasn't really dead all this time, but, um, sorry he actually is now?

Kirk always said he knew he'd died alone.  He wasn't quite alone; Picard was there, but basically yeah, no one else around, and no real memorial.  It was weird how it played out, but my guess is that you're not really supposed to think about it.  Which is lame, but there you go.

[El Barto]

So when Kirk dies, actually dies this time, what are they gonna do?  He's been "dead" for... generations.  What can Picard do?  Tell everyone that Kirk wasn't really dead all this time, but, um, sorry he actually is now?

That was what I was thinking.  Also,  did Piccard even know that he was going to rescued any time soon?  I don't recall,  but it's possible that he buried him out of practicality,  and then just didn't bother to tell anybody. 

[Kotowboy]

I always thought it was kinda sad that Soran just wanted to be happy for eternity.

I always imagined that he is still in the nexus and Picard and Kirk were in n alternative reality and Picard is still living in that existence to this day.

Plus Guinan is still in the nexus despite being "rescued" by the Enterprise B.

[Orbert]

It is kinda sad.  I mean, yeah he's still an evil dude because he's willing to kill and/or massively inconvenience countless people just so he can be happy forever, but I have a lot of trouble with the story for Generations in the first place.  I realize that Paramount really, really wanted a movie that tied the two series together and passed the torch to TNG, but this was the best they could come up with?

[ZirconBlue]

I don't have time to read through this entire thread so I'm sorry if this has been asked before.

At the end of Star Trek Generations when Picard buries Kirk, I always thought it was rather odd that they chose to memorialize his death in that manner.  Is it because Kirk always knew that he would die alone and they chose to characterize his memorial that way?

Because that whole movie is just one giant plot hole?

[Dublagent66]

Something like that.  The whole premise of "Generations" -- something tantamount to time travel, but using "the nexus" -- creates a ton of logistical problems.  James T. Kirk is a legend.  Captain of the flagship for years, promoted to Admiral, busted back to Captain and thus the captain of the flagship again, then in a bizarro event he is "killed".  Gone.

But it turns out he's not killed, he's just in "the nexus", and 80some years later, Picard convinces him to leave it so he can help make a difference again.  Except they don't really tell anyone.  There's no press release, no celebration honoring the return of a legend, they just go off and fight Soran.  So when Kirk dies, actually dies this time, what are they gonna do?  He's been "dead" for... generations.  What can Picard do?  Tell everyone that Kirk wasn't really dead all this time, but, um, sorry he actually is now?

Kirk always said he knew he'd died alone.  He wasn't quite alone; Picard was there, but basically yeah, no one else around, and no real memorial.  It was weird how it played out, but my guess is that you're not really supposed to think about it.  Which is lame, but there you go.

That's a good explanation.  I never really factored that in, but the ending didn't sit well with me.  You're right though, what else could they have done considering the circumstances?  It was bizzare.

[tjanuranus]

Diana Troy = 

[rumborak]

In terms of best Enterprise, the juiced-up ship that Will Riker commands in the final episode is pretty awesome.

rumborak

[Orbert]

The one that can go Warp 13?  Yeah, that was pretty cool.  I love that shot where it comes up the Z-axis blasting holes through the hull of the other ship.  IMO there weren't nearly enough scenes that underscored how everything takes places in three dimensions (since it's "outer space" after all), despite Spock mentioning that very thing way back in STII.

Also, I did kinda laugh the first time I saw that scene, when they go to Warp 13.  All I could think was "Mr. Data, turn it up to 11!"

[Kotowboy]

The one that can go Warp 13?  Yeah, that was pretty cool.  I love that shot where it comes up the Z-axis blasting holes through the hull of the other ship.  IMO there weren't nearly enough scenes that underscored how everything takes places in three dimensions (since it's "outer space" after all), despite Spock mentioning that very thing way back in STII.

Also, I did kinda laugh the first time I saw that scene, when they go to Warp 13.  All I could think was "Mr. Data, turn it up to 11!"

This. And the ships always went "forward". The Borg Cube is as "aerodynamic" as Enterprise - E in space.

[ReaperKK]

Speaking of Diana Troy I saw Marina Sirtis in Hooligans 2, which is one of the most horrible movies I have ever seen.

[El Barto]

Speaking of Diana Troy I saw Marina Sirtis in Hooligans 2, which is one of the most horrible movies I have ever seen.

I saw her get gang-raped in Death Wish 3,  which almost (but not quite) makes up for that whole Deanna Troi thing.