DREAM THEATER ANNOUNCE THE RETURN OF DRUMMER MIKE PORTNOY

[crystalstars17]

SC 24/7?? You're also talking about the group that created SFAM and SDOIT. Unless you think those aren't good.

I do love SFAM, and I&W, and Octavarium. I'll be quiet now. ✨

[Trav]

SC 24/7?? You're also talking about the group that created SFAM and SDOIT. Unless you think those aren't good.

I do love SFAM, and I&W, and Octavarium. I'll be quiet now. ✨

You don't have to be quiet. You can express your opinion the same as anyone else. But this idea that because Portnoy is back that now everything will sound like whatever someone thinks is the worst album, is just a little short sighted to me. And this opinion comes from a lot of newer fans (from what I've seen, I could be wrong). Like I said, and sorry if I was rude about it, this group of five guys created some of the best music of my life. Not to mention Portnoy was a founding member, that helped create an entire genre. He helped write the songs from Images and Words, Awake and so many classic tracks. He's one of the most influential drummers ever. Ever.  And people seeing him come back and basically defining it as "ah man the *roars* are back". It's kinda ridiculous.

Also, none of this is something we should be losing sleep over.

[crystalstars17]

You don't have to be quiet. You can express your opinion the same as anyone else. But this idea that because Portnoy is back that now everything will sound like whatever someone thinks is the worst album, is just a little short sighted to me. And this opinion comes from a lot of newer fans (from what I've seen, I could be wrong). Like I said, and sorry if I was rude about it, this group of five guys created some of the best music of my life. Not to mention Portnoy was a founding member, that helped create an entire genre. He helped write the songs from Images and Words, Awake and so many classic tracks. He's one of the most influential drummers ever. Ever.  And people seeing him come back and basically defining it as "ah man the *roars* are back". It's kinda ridiculous.

Also, none of this is something we should be losing sleep over.

Short sighted, perhaps, it's a bit of a knee-jerk reaction and maybe not the most fair one. And in no way were you rude.

And yes, he was a founding father of this amazing band and genre. I do need to keep that in mind.

I just think there's not much sensitivity here (not saying from you) towards the newer-fan perspective. Don't worry, I'm not losing any actual sleep, but it's an adjustment for us, is all.

[Trav]

No, you're right. Personally I seem to forget that there are people who came in during the last 13 years, and this was the only version of the band they knew. I get it.

[crystalstars17]

No, you're right. Personally I seem to forget that there are people who came in during the last 13 years, and this was the only version of the band they knew. I get it.

Thank you. 💙

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

have you guys seen this?



I think this might also give some credence to the rumor that SW is in talks to mix and produce the new DT

[Trav]

Why? They've been friends for years. I doubt that photo is even new.

[Buddyhunter1]

I think this might also give some credence to the rumor that SW is in talks to mix and produce the new DT

Yeah right. I don't think he'd be interested, and as much as I like Steven Wilson, he's not a good fit for their style and sound.

[HOF]

have you guys seen this?



I think this might also give some credence to the rumor that SW is in talks to mix and produce the new DT

There are rumors that SW might mix the next album? Are these like the rumors that MP might be moving to Seattle? 

[TAC]

My suspicion is that MP's re-entry to DT was very much like how Jordan came into the band.  JP & MP asked him, "hey, if the keyboard spot in DT were open, would you be willing to join?" to which he answered yes, so they opened the spot.

This time, I think they got the answer from MP they wanted, so they opened his spot.

IMO

I think this is reasonable.

[bosk1]

I think this might also give some credence to the rumor that SW is in talks to mix and produce the new DT

What "talks" are you referring to?  What is your source?

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

have you guys seen this?



I think this might also give some credence to the rumor that SW is in talks to mix and produce the new DT

There are talks that SW might mix the next album? Are these like the talks that MP might be moving to Seattle?

Doing some detective research here tells me that this photo was taken in Seattle, actually. it was likely the same day that MP toured the Laura Palmer house from Twin Peaks (he's wearing a Twin Peaks shirt in this photo) as well as that building's green trimmings implying it's somewhere in Seattle (maybe the Showbox SoDo where Thundercat played recently, SW wearing the Thundercat shirt)

All of this combined with the evidence that MP was titled as being a member of "Dream Theater" during his drum line performance tells me that the decision had been made by the time the Seattle events happened, SW was there for the production talks, and MP was taking the opportunity to also look at some real estate.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

I think this might also give some credence to the rumor that SW is in talks to mix and produce the new DT

What "talks" are you referring to?  What is your source?

The "talks" where you figure out who will product and mix the next album! The above posts evidence as well as some rumors I saw on the DT discord all seem to imply something is up with DT, MP, SW, and Seattle specifically (with fun hints and nods to Twin Peaks!)

[bosk1]

No, you referred to some specific "talks" and "rumors."  What is your source for this? 

[HOF]

It would be cool if DT were to allow an outside producer again, but I have a hard time seeing that ever happening. MP has worked with exactly one outside producer since FII (Peter Collins on the first Flying Colors album, and of course never again). And SW has let it be known that he's not really a fan of DT's music, so I doubt he'd want to produce them.

I could see SW mixing an album for DT maybe (or remixing earlier albums if they wanted to try that, but I think he really only takes those gigs when he is a fan of the original album).

[Trav]

DT discord 

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

DT discord is not a bad place for rumors/news. They were posting about the MP returning to DT before it was announced, so I would imagine SW rumors from the same discord wouldn't be immediately dismissible

[bosk1]

"Rumors" and "news" are not the same thing.  But you still have not answered the question.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

sure, i guess i can answer you for a third time: The DT Discord.

[Awaken]

My suspicion is that MP's re-entry to DT was very much like how Jordan came into the band.  JP & MP asked him, "hey, if the keyboard spot in DT were open, would you be willing to join?" to which he answered yes, so they opened the spot.

This time, I think they got the answer from MP they wanted, so they opened his spot.

IMO

I think this is reasonable.

If I'm betting, I'm putting my money here too.  A few of us were recently talking about this at the DT show in CT.  If you got a chance to see JP's solo tour, it was undeniable how connected/locked in JP and MP were and how happy they looked to be playing together again.  If they hadn't already discussed the idea of MP coming back to DT before those shows, I'd also bet they started soon after they kicked off the tour.   

[devieira73]

have you guys seen this?



I think this might also give some credence to the rumor that SW is in talks to mix and produce the new DT

The context of this picture is the following (from MP's Facebook):
"Between the excitement of the DT announcement, the anxiety over Mickey's surgery and being wrapped up w stuff on The Winery Dogs tour, I haven't done an #MPPhotoOfTheDay entry in a while...So let's have one today to celebrate Steven Wilson's Birthday!
Steven and I have known each other since Porcupine Tree opened for DT back on the Metropolis 2000 tour and I've always had the biggest admiration for his incredible talents. Musician, Songwriter, Producer, Mixer...the man can do it all! And as I posted last week, his new one is absolutely one of my favs of the year! Happy Birthday buddy "

For those who follow, he posts many photos with musicians/artists taken in different years. Maybe I'm wrong, but I guess it has nothing to do with SW producing or mixing DT.

[bosk1]

sure, i guess i can answer you for a third time: The DT Discord.

OK, then just be honest that there are no actual "talks" that you are aware of, and you just like to repeat things you've heard to try to sound important. 

[Sir Walrus Cauliflower]

sure, i guess i can answer you for a third time: The DT Discord.

OK, then just be honest that there are no actual "talks" that you are aware of, and you just like to repeat things you've heard to try to sound important.

Silly Bosk, these ARE the talks. We're talking about it now, thus there have been talks about what we're talking about. Self fulfilling prophecy. Get with the times. 

[The Letter M]

sure, i guess i can answer you for a third time: The DT Discord.

OK, then just be honest that there are no actual "talks" that you are aware of, and you just like to repeat things you've heard to try to sound important.

At least he hasn't welcomed you to the board!

-Marc.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

sure, i guess i can answer you for a third time: The DT Discord.

OK, then just be honest that there are no actual "talks" that you are aware of, and you just like to repeat things you've heard to try to sound important. 

i never said there were talks i was aware of. if you read my post you would see that i mentioned "rumors of talks". not sure why this is so hard, lol. the rumors came from the DT Discord. not trying to sound self-important (why the hell would i seek clout on a message board over something like that?) was just sharing what i saw, jeez dude

[KevShmev]

I saw rumors that Paul McCartney is going to replace John Myung, but they didn't want to announce that at the same time as Mike Portnoy's return, so it will not be announced until early 2024.  And the plans, according to talks from unnamed sources, is that McCartney and Portnoy will share lead vocals, with the band already working on their 22-minute live version of Revolution 9. 

[bosk1]

Yeah, me too. 

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

I saw rumors that Paul McCartney is going to replace John Myung, but they didn't want to announce that at the same time as Mike Portnoy's return, so it will not be announced until early 2024.  And the plans, according to talks from unnamed sources, is that McCartney and Portnoy will share lead vocals, with the band already working on their 22-minute live version of Revolution 9. 

better post your source, sir!!!!

[Trav]

He read it on MySpace.

[ReaPsTA]

Something worth saying - It's incredible the things people will post in publicly accessible Discords thinking that no one will simply take a screenshot.

Can totally imagine someone peripherally hearing about some sort of legal negotiation and being like "I'm hearing word this might be happening."

Would not put TOO much stock in it since no screenshot. But having seen many things come out in Discord that never should have, this is not inconceivable.

[PMSummer]

I had one of my kids show me the discords a while back because I heard of it and wanted to see how it compared to this place. Apart from being a worse format (continuous chat, who has time for that), it mostly was one guy claiming he had connections to the band and making up stories of 'inside information'. Never went back but it that's how it normally is then I suggest you don't trust anything there sojourn.

[wolfking]

sure, i guess i can answer you for a third time: The DT Discord.

OK, then just be honest that there are no actual "talks" that you are aware of, and you just like to repeat things you've heard to try to sound important.

[wolfking]

I saw rumors that Paul McCartney is going to replace John Myung, but they didn't want to announce that at the same time as Mike Portnoy's return, so it will not be announced until early 2024.  And the plans, according to talks from unnamed sources, is that McCartney and Portnoy will share lead vocals, with the band already working on their 22-minute live version of Revolution 9.

I heard when McCartney rehearsd TDOE with the band his solo was faster than Myung.  There's also rumors he's able to do the tapping sections without tapping.

[bosk1]

Don't call me a rapper.

[pg1067]

have you guys seen this?



I think this might also give some credence to the rumor that SW is in talks to mix and produce the new DT

So...does this photo mean that Jon Anderson is going to replace JLB?




Or maybe whoever these guys are will have something to do with it?




As someone else, already explained, MP REGULARLY does birthday posts with photos of him with whomever is having a birthday.  Also, it seems pretty clear to me that (as is typical of his birthday posts) it's not even a recent picture of MP.

i never said there were talks i was aware of. if you read my post you would see that i mentioned "rumors of talks". not sure why this is so hard, lol. the rumors came from the DT Discord. not trying to sound self-important (why the hell would i seek clout on a message board over something like that?) was just sharing what i saw, jeez dude

There have been rumors of MP coming back to DT since...well...since he left the band 13 years ago.  Rumors on social media are typically bullshit.  When you come here wondering if this out-of-context photo lends credence to some rumor, it implies that you think the rumors have some validity.  Therefore, it's natural for folks to wonder what you're talking about and scrutinize it.  It's called critical thinking and, while that's not something that seems to be valued much on social media, it does, fortunately, seem to be valued around here.