Parasomnia Timeline Thread

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

I agree with Stadler. After all the "album coming in 2024" rumor here was all started because a bunch of people misinterpreted MP's comments about "delivering the album" to mean "releasing the album"

[Mosh]

The interesting thing about the timeline to me is whether they actually intended a 2025 release the whole time or if they found themselves taking longer than expected. I always assumed the late start in touring was mostly to try and get an album out first, I don't really see any reason to wait so long for such a highly anticipated tour otherwise. I like that they're letting the album take as long as it takes though. I think it's still logistically possible to release in 2024, we still don't really have confirmation one way or another, but I am guessing the label is going to want a big lead time with lots of singles ahead of release and to have the physical product ready to go at launch. I don't think shadow dropping works for a band at DT's level and I also wouldn't be surprised if there is something in their contract that prohibits it. 

I don't buy that the 40th anniversary tour wasn't intended to also be an album promotion tour. For one thing, the 20th anniversary tour was also the Octavarium tour and they were able to prominently feature Octavarium while still playing a career spanning setlist. It's trickier now because they have more albums, but they can still play a lot of new songs and showcase a broad range of the DT catalog. The other factor is that they are almost certainly going to have the album out by the time the 40th anniversary tour hits the USA, and they will probably continue to market it as a 40th anniversary tour as that will probably be more interesting to ticket buyers than "just another DT album promo tour."

[MirrorMask]

I hope they surprise drop the entire album. No singles, teasers etc.... Release the fucker in one shot. It has plenty of hype already.

Avenged Sevenfold did that, and they severly regretted their decision. And commercially they're even bigger than Dream Theater. No way a surprise release from DT doesn't bite them in the ass on the commercial / exposure side of thing.

Surprise releases can happen at Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga level, not in metal.

[Lonk]

I agree with Stadler. After all the "album coming in 2024" rumor here was all started because a bunch of people misinterpreted MP's comments about "delivering the album" to mean "releasing the album"

I hope you are having fun....I really do.

[Glasser]

Avenged Sevenfold did that, and they severly regretted their decision. And commercially they're even bigger than Dream Theater. No way a surprise release from DT doesn't bite them in the ass on the commercial / exposure side of thing.

Surprise releases can happen at Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga level, not in metal.

Better yet, set a release date, and release the album. No singles. I know they're not going to do that but I will personally wait until I can hear the full album in one sitting.

[Stadler]

Better yet, set a release date, and release the album. No singles. I know they're not going to do that but I will personally wait until I can hear the full album in one sitting.

As will I.

[pg1067]

We are Jon Snow Sgt. Schultz at the end of the day: we know NOTHING.

ftfy

[Glasser]

As will I.

Nice! I had advance cassettes of Images and Words and Awake. I knew what to expect with Images because I had the ATCO demo but Awake was a complete surprise. I miss that excitement/suspense.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

I take all the points about the band taking time to get the album completed and if is then released in 2025, so be it. However, when will the band tour to support it ?

The European 40th anniversary tour takes place Oct/Nov, with South American dates at the end of the year. I assume North American dates will then happen Jan / Feb 2025, with the album possibly released around the same time.

So, will the North American setlist then be changed from the 2024 setlist, to accommodate tracks from the new album, which will probably be out ? Or will it be the same as the 2024 shows ?

Will the band then do another European tour later in 2025 where the album is heavily featured ?

Will they also do another North American leg featuring songs from the new album, as well as shows in other territories ?

Will there therefore be 2 legs – the 40th anniversary tour (late 2024 / early 2025) and a tour promoting the album (mid 2025 until the end of the year) ?

For those of us that went to shows on the View tour (2022 and 2023), it was very apparent that attendances for the 2023 shows were well down on those the previous year; a lot of people may have decided not to attend the 2023 shows as they felt they would be too similar to the previous year, or just couldn't afford to go to both.

This time around, the anniversary shows and then the album promotion shows are likely to be significantly different. However, the cost issue may still apply -  can people afford to see DT possibly twice in the same year ? (North American fans – early 2025 and late 2025 ?).

Or will the band be playing shows in 2026 ?

All very good questions. I am sure the band discussed these things at length because they're all important points and a critical juncture in the band's history.

I think the band is at an inflection point. I take your point on the View tour and you didn't say it but DreamSonic may have also had similarly disappointing turnout. People on the forum correctly pointed out that a lot of tickets were available on seating charts in these cases. There are other reasons to believe these tours didn't knock it out of the park.

But look what's happening now. We are months away and there are low ticket warnings on several shows at big venues. The announcement of MP's return is the catalyst that I think turns around demand trends and thus answers a lot of questions. I think there will be a second European tour featuring the new album and two NA legs, one with the 40th anniversary set and maybe a single, and another featuring the album.

[nobloodyname]

As will I.

I think you might be disappointed if you attend the London show because I imagine they'll play one tune from the new album, probably a so-called single released a couple of weeks in advance.

The band playing a new tune isn't intended as a criticism. I'd just prefer not to hear anything until it's all released.

[gzarruk]

Here I am with my Beautiful Shade of Grey Brothers. We will begin working on new material and stoked we are 🤘😎

And yet no updates on vocal recordings for DT16. Are they even trying to finish this thing?

[Lonk]

I recognize that place, I went there when I visited Toronto

[crystalstars17]

And yet no updates on vocal recordings for DT16. Are they even trying to finish this thing?

More like Beautiful Shade of Red, haha! 😍 So glad he's no longer dying his hair black!!!

*cough* That said, it would be nice to have some updates... 

[Schurftkut]

waiting for that documentary.... 

[YngVai]

Will DT need to crowdfund James's bar tab?

[Glasser]

Will DT need to crowdfund James's bar tab?

[illusionist]

I just saw DT's official countdown to the first show in O2 in London.
At this time, i begin to realise that their priority has to be this tour.
They always post about the tour, and they post often, they always remind us how excited they are to hit the road again, in their interviews the no1 topic is this tour and so on.
So on one hand they have the new album being recorded and on the other hand is the tour.
If they should focus on one of the two now, due to limited time, with the tour being this close, and they have to prepare a thousand things for it, rehearse and many more, how many of you do you actually believe they would focus on the album?
Not me.
That might explain why the album takes so long, apart from the fact that they are not in a hurry because they have their own studio, plus they want to get the best result possible.
So i suggest we forget the album for a while, and start thinking about it when the tour ends late '24.
We may get some updates till then, like when the album is done, the song titles and the cover art, but i won't get my hopes too high at least until early 2025.

[Progmaniac1988]

I just saw DT's official countdown to the first show in O2 in London.
At this time, i begin to realise that their priority has to be this tour.
They always post about the tour, and they post often, they always remind us how excited they are to hit the road again, in their interviews the no1 topic is this tour and so on.
So on one hand they have the new album being recorded and on the other hand is the tour.
If they should focus on one of the two now, due to limited time, with the tour being this close, and they have to prepare a thousand things for it, rehearse and many more, how many of you do you actually believe they would focus on the album?
Not me.
That might explain why the album takes so long, apart from the fact that they are not in a hurry because they have their own studio, plus they want to get the best result possible.
So i suggest we forget the album for a while, and start thinking about it when the tour ends late '24.
We may get some updates till then, like when the album is done, the song titles and the cover art, but i won't get my hopes too high at least until early 2025.

Yeahhh I'll be honest, seeing James post a pic of himself at a bar in Toronto. Him with his solo band talking about making a solo album, and not a peep about DT16, Vocal recording, or anything at all about DT16 since Jordan's keyboard recording last month was finally the final straw to make me stop getting excited for any big album updates in 2024. This is including singles. I'm glad he's working on new solo stuff, but seeing he's still in Canada and seemingly has not been in DT hq recording DT16 is kinda a bummer, but I'll stay positive lol.

[crystalstars17]

but seeing he's still in Canada and seemingly has not been in DT hq recording DT16

Hmm, but doesn't he typically record remotely, for the most part?

Edit, IDC when it comes out, honestly. I just want him sounding angelic.

[HOF]

For all we know James may have knocked out his vocals a couple weeks ago and is back home in Canada.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

Will DT need to crowdfund James's bar tab?

LOL I was gonna say, dang I am redeemed for the burger incident  now

[Progmaniac1988]

Hmm, but doesn't he typically record remotely, for the most part?

Edit, IDC when it comes out, honestly. I just want him sounding angelic.

Yeah I'm with you, it's just me being a bit overexcited for new music lol, but yeah I'm sure it'll be worth the wait and that's all that matters. He may of very well been recording in Canada, but for some reason I feel he'd be in hq for this one. Especially with the possibility of a documentary or something. I'm sure whatever he does he will knock it outta the park

[Kram]

For all we know James may have knocked out his vocals a couple weeks ago and is back home in Canada.

Or they're still writing lyrics for it and he'll record his tracks at DT HQ in early Sep - then go straight to tour rehearsals after that.

[TAC]

Last month, he said he was doing vocals "next month". So that means this month. Maybe that meant the last two weeks of July.

[Zook]

I wonder if he'll be running away to Canada to do vocals, or he'll be in studio with the other guys. I'm reminded of the making of Systematic Chaos where he was getting very frustrated with Mike while recording Forsaken.

[Schurftkut]

JLB worked out the vocalmelodies together with MP, there's no reason for MP to be there while recording since he's not the co-producer anymore.

[MinistroRaven]

I posted about this on the JR new album thread, but I'll post here.

Next Friday 19th, 11:30 AM EST I'm interviewing Jordan Rudess. If you guys have questions for him post those here.

And thanks to those that have sent some questions already.

[crystalstars17]

Next Friday 19th, 11:30 AM EST I'm interviewing Jordan Rudess. If you guys have questions for him post those here.

Please ask if he will be bringing the Continuum on the tour! 🙏✨✨✨

[Schurftkut]

he could probably play the octavarium intro on his ipad by now, the bigger question of course is if he will bring his Harpejji with him 

[Kyo]

he could probably play the octavarium intro on his ipad by now, the bigger question of course is if he will bring his Harpejji with him 

Of course, he'll need it for Raw Dog! 

[gzarruk]

I posted about this on the JR new album thread, but I'll post here.

Next Friday 19th, 11:30 AM EST I'm interviewing Jordan Rudess. If you guys have questions for him post those here.

And thanks to those that have sent some questions already.

Anything related to the DT16 schedule and tentative release date.

Would love to know what are the plans for LTE4 (they still have a contract for it) now that DT has MP back.

[TAC]

Next Friday 19th, 11:30 AM EST I'm interviewing Jordan Rudess. If you guys have questions for him post those here.

How hard was the conversation with Mike Mangini? Did the entire band take part in the call or was it just management?

[SeRoX]

According to the JLB's instagram James is about to begin vocal tracking.

[Puppies_On_Acid]

LOL I was gonna say, dang I am redeemed for the burger incident  now

[Thoughtspart3]

According to the JLB's instagram James is about to begin vocal tracking.

That's good news! Maybe there is some hope for a release before Christmas? I would rather wait though than rush it.