You Not Me is the worst song on any DT studio album

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ITNOG

Space Dye Vest has this distinction easily....although I quite liked the live version!

Wrong thread guys, here you go: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35056.0

I think You Not Me gets such a distinction so often not because of the music itself(which isn't good to begin with) but because it's the epithome of DT being forced to be something they are not. And it has the trademark sound to set the classic metal fanboy screaming "OMG they sold out!!!". Of course, there are others offenders in this aspect, but since the pusher came from within the band the other times, it gets a pass, as opposed of being pushed from the record deal.

Nevertheless, I think while it's on among their bottom rated songs, it's not the worst and not as bad as it is portrayed. Never Enough gets that title for me, mostly for the vocals and the lyrics.

Still, DT should've kept it as a B Side, I still don't get how it got a pass even from the record deal.

And New Millenium is amazing!! (ok, the lyrics are meh but they make it work)

[TheGreatPretender]

And New Millenium is amazing!! (ok, the lyrics are meh but they make it work)

It's all meh.

[Tom Bombadil]

This is definitely up there, but Burning My Soul and Prophets of War are worse.

[emtee]

Never Enough is my least favorite DT song. Prophets Of War is right behind it.


I actually like You Not Me.

[Nearmyth]

You Not Me isn't that bad. At least... in context of FII. On its own, among the entirety of the DT discography, it's pretty bad.

[kirksnosehair]

"Burning My Soul" called.  Said some Kev guy is trying to take away his title. 

[emtee]

"Burning My Soul" called.  Said some Kev guy is trying to take away his title. 

I will never understand how that was chosen as the single from FII. After I&W and Awake I heard that song on the radio before
the album was released and I remember thinking to myself...'wtf was that?'

I like the song now and the whole album but back then it was an abrupt shift.

[RaiseTheKnife]

I think it is also important to talk about You OR Me, the demo that the band wrote before Desmond Child reworked the song.  You Or Me is actually a great song with an emotional piano bridge, an overlapping pre-chorus/chorus reprise and better lyrics  -- all of which was cut.  I defy you to sing the pre-chorus at 5:01 under James' chorus and not enjoy it!

I would love to see You OR Me live, as it is truly an underrated song.

I can understand why fans don't gravitate towards You Not Me because Desmond was trying to make the band sound like Bon Jovi in that chorus and it just didn't work. 

[TheGreatPretender]

I think it is also important to talk about You OR Me, the demo that the band wrote before Desmond Child reworked the song.  You Or Me is actually a great song with an emotional piano bridge, an overlapping pre-chorus/chorus reprise and better lyrics  -- all of which was cut.  I defy you to sing the pre-chorus at 5:01 under James' chorus and not enjoy it!

I would love to see You OR Me live, as it is truly an underrated song.

I can understand why fans don't gravitate towards You Not Me because Desmond was trying to make the band sound like Bon Jovi in that chorus and it just didn't work.

But the problem is, if they don't like it just because they knew that Desmond messed with the original, that's not really forming a fair opinion. While there were some very great things that were cut from the final, I think there were quite a few interesting things that were included in YNM that YOM lacked. The overlapping chorus at the end of YOM was really great, but for the rest of the song, the regular chorus on YNM is better, I think. And it sounds a lot more full and rich, compared to YOM, so it wasn't like they just cut a bunch of stuff out and left a bare bones version.

[goo-goo]

For me Panic Attack is DT's worst song ever.

[Architeuthis]

Never Enough is my least favorite DT song. Prophets Of War is right behind it.

Really? I always thought "Never Enough" kicks arse!!! The opening riff is bad ass heavy, and insane unison guitar/key solo. The whole song rocks and is catchy with great vocals.  One of my favs from Octavarium!

[wolfking]

No.

[wolfking]

Never Enough is my least favorite DT song. Prophets Of War is right behind it.

Really? I always thought "Never Enough" kicks arse!!! The opening riff is bad ass heavy, and insane unison guitar/key solo. The whole song rocks and is catchy with great vocals.  One of my favs from Octavarium!

Never Enough is one of my least fav DT songs also.

[goo-goo]

Never Enough is my least favorite DT song. Prophets Of War is right behind it.

Really? I always thought "Never Enough" kicks arse!!! The opening riff is bad ass heavy, and insane unison guitar/key solo. The whole song rocks and is catchy with great vocals.  One of my favs from Octavarium!

I like Never Enough

One thing that I recall when 8V was released: IIRC, the intro to NE was one of the first samples released by DT from the 8V album. I loved the intro....but upon hearing the full song, I was completely disappointed. THat opening riff kicks major ass but it just doesn't go nowhere...I mean, it's just used in the intro and in the outro. Would of loved for that riff to be used more (and longer...).

[wolfking]

The Muse, Stockholm Syndrome similarities for me are too strong in NE.

[ThatOneGuy2112]

The pre-chorus verse is nice, and there's still some neat moments, but they're spread out too thin. It's a weak song. Not bad by any stretch but fits right under the definition of "meh". My least favorite from FII might be Just Let Me Breathe.

[CharlesPL]

No,SC has the worst songs.

[Madman Shepherd]

There are very few "bad" Dream Theater songs.  Status Seeker comes close but the indisupitable champions of that title are Just Let Me Breathe and the Full Circle portion of 8V. 

[Nearmyth]

I think this is turning into Controversial Opinion thread 2.0...

[Phoenix87x]

Actually I like You Not Me quite a bit and always have.

[jakepriest]

Just Let Me Breathe and The Looking Glass take the cake here.

[Rodni Demental]

Well a bunch of my favourite songs have been insulted like HTF, PA, CM and NM so I'm gonna have to go and cram my opinion into this and say there's no way YNM is better than any of those three.

As for WDADU, I would concede that neither Status Seeker nor The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun are very good, but not "worst DT song ever" material.  Both are certainly better, IMO, than You Not Me or Constant Motion.

Also,  Light Fuse and Get Away is great, so mentions of that are more than just a bit baffling.

I know right? I thought LFAGA was a good part of WDADU. I love that pre-verse/verse riff.

And If I were to single out my least 2 favourite songs on the album it'd be SS and TOWHTSTS. SS can be alright but has never clicked with me in the way that the rest of WDADU has. And TOWHTSTS is just the least interesting song to me. I just listened to WDAD-RU on the way to work the other day and TOWHTSTS was definitely the least interesting but I'll concede that maybe that one hasn't clicked with me yet either.

Anyway, YNM can be alright, it's not the worst but it's one of the few DT songs where the chorus makes me cringe. That's the only thing wrong with it. And I do think the Chorus of You Or Me is better, but I think it's also not perfect and could have had some (subjectively) better/different melodies. Also, the piano bridge in the original YOM is amazing, one of my favourite chord progressions. DTs used similar progressions since still, but it's a shame that moment was cut from the commercial release of FII.

Space Dye Vest has this distinction easily....although I quite liked the live version!

Agree. As far as Studio Albums go this is my least favourite DT song. I like the JR/JLB version of it better. And the new live ones alright with the new arrangement and ending. But the original has always been very dull and boring. I mean.. I think I get it. It's nice. But it's still not very interesting compared to absolutely all of their other material.

[FsF]

It's a distant second behind Prophets of War for me. You Not Me sounds like a ham-fisted attempt at a commercial hard rock song, whereas PoW is just embarrassingly bad. If You Not Me had a would-be emotional political rap section, then we'd be talking.

[adastra]

Haha I actually love You Not Me!  It has pretty good chorus.
I'd say prophets of war, enigmachine or blind faith is the worst :O

[Lolzeez]

BMU BMD is the worst.

[jakepriest]

Haha I actually love You Not Me!  It has pretty good chorus.
I'd say prophets of war, enigmachine or blind faith is the worst :O

What.

[adastra]

Haha I actually love You Not Me!  It has pretty good chorus.
I'd say prophets of war, enigmachine or blind faith is the worst :O

What.

._.   yeah

[brash47]

My personal opinion, because that's what this thread is....I can find something redeeming in any DT song. I like the creativity overall. Some songs aren't amazing, but I can listen and enjoy any DT song.

brash

[425]

No, it's not You Not Me.

Whenever I think about the worst DT song, the answer comes so clear to me.

Light Fuse and Get Away.

[Lolzeez]

No, it's not You Not Me.

Whenever I think about the worst DT song, the answer comes so clear to me.

Light Fuse and Get Away.

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN USED
OR WILL THIS BE THE FIRST TIME


I always die from laughing there.

[JediKnight1969]

Not even close. It's not a great song by any stretch, and it has an awkwardly ill-fitting chorus in either version, but there's nothing about it that makes it unlistenable. The worst song on any DT studio album would no doubt have to come from WDADU.

THIS.

[RuRoRul]

Most of WDADU
Take Away My Pain
Anna Lee
Regression
Through Her Eyes
Through My Words

All of those are definitely worse than You Not Me.

[Dellers]

Not even close. It's a pretty standard rocker, nothing more and nothing less. For instance Constant Motion and especially Burning My Soul are much worse. Actually those two songs are among my least favorite songs by any artist ever, while You Not Me is somewhere below average.

[KevShmev]

"Burning My Soul" called.  Said some Kev guy is trying to take away his title. 

See, I don't think Burning My Soul is that bad.  I mean, it's not that great either, but it at least has a cool bass line that turns into a pretty good riff, the vibe during the verses is nice, and Sherinian does play a nice solo.  The song is just dragged down by a very bland chorus (similar to A Rite of Passage).

As for WDADU, I would concede that neither Status Seeker nor The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun are very good, but not "worst DT song ever" material.  Both are certainly better, IMO, than You Not Me or Constant Motion.

Also,  Light Fuse and Get Away is great, so mentions of that are more than just a bit baffling.

I know right? I thought LFAGA was a good part of WDADU. I love that pre-verse/verse riff.

And If I were to single out my least 2 favourite songs on the album it'd be SS and TOWHTSTS. SS can be alright but has never clicked with me in the way that the rest of WDADU has. And TOWHTSTS is just the least interesting song to me. I just listened to WDAD-RU on the way to work the other day and TOWHTSTS was definitely the least interesting but I'll concede that maybe that one hasn't clicked with me yet either.

See, while I agree that those are two of their least best songs, but they at least both have some cool things going on in them.  And that is the thing: most of the songs I would put near the bottom of my list - Status Seeker, Constant Motion, A Rite of Passage, The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun, Sacrificed Sons, Forsaken, Never Enough, Burning My Soul, etc. - have multiple good things in the song that I do like, but are invariably dragged down by other things that stand out too much.  In the case of You Not Me, the bad far outweighs the good, and I am not sure I can say that about any other song on a Dream Theater studio album.

[hefdaddy42]

New Millennium is fantastic.

And I will never, ever understand the opinion that You Or Me is somehow vastly superior to You Not Me.  It's awful too.