The Enemy Inside Discussion Thread

[Whatsername]

I've just never ever been reminded of the circus/carnival by JR's patches.

Probably because they have nothing to do with circuses or carnivals.  But somebody made that comparison once, and it apparently stuck, so all the cool kids who have nothing constructive to say can just throw that out there and act like it is a valid criticism.

Wouldn't the proper term be ragtime, Bosk? That was always my impression of them when I heard them.

[TheGreatPretender]

Wouldn't the proper term be ragtime, Bosk? That was always my impression of them when I heard them.

The piano ones, yeah. But the ones like on The Enemy Inside, whatever instrument that sample is, I don't think it qualifies as ragtime. I could be wrong, though.

[sueño]

I've just never ever been reminded of the circus/carnival by JR's patches.

Probably because they have nothing to do with circuses or carnivals.  But somebody made that comparison once, and it apparently stuck, so all the cool kids who have nothing constructive to say can just throw that out there and act like it is a valid criticism.

Wouldn't the proper term be ragtime, Bosk? That was always my impression of them when I heard them.

I'd say so:   https://www.jazzinamerica.org/jazzresources/stylesheets/4

[wolven74]

Ok.... The song's been out for over 24 hours now. I bought the iTunes version this morning (which sounds 100x better than the stream). I've gotta say that the song is still amazing, and still getting better as I listen to it. That surprised me. I put it on my iPod as part of the shuffle of DT songs so I don't go to it automatically, in the hopes of avoiding becoming bored with it. I've only heard it twice today. I must say, it's a killer track to drive to. 

[DreamTension]

Wouldn't the proper term be ragtime, Bosk? That was always my impression of them when I heard them.

The piano ones, yeah. But the ones like on The Enemy Inside, whatever instrument that sample is, I don't think it qualifies as ragtime. I could be wrong, though.

I think of them as Jordan Rudess sounds 

[Whatsername]

Wouldn't the proper term be ragtime, Bosk? That was always my impression of them when I heard them.

The piano ones, yeah. But the ones like on The Enemy Inside, whatever instrument that sample is, I don't think it qualifies as ragtime. I could be wrong, though.

I think of them as Jordan Rudess sounds 

That's perfect. He just opens his mouth occasionally and they just come out.

[The Boomr]

I've just never ever been reminded of the circus/carnival by JR's patches.

Probably because they have nothing to do with circuses or carnivals.  But somebody made that comparison once, and it apparently stuck, so all the cool kids who have nothing constructive to say can just throw that out there and act like it is a valid criticism.

Wouldn't the proper term be ragtime, Bosk? That was always my impression of them when I heard them.

I'd say so:   https://www.jazzinamerica.org/jazzresources/stylesheets/4

thanks for supporting me Bosk ^_^

I'd say, the style JR plays those bits in is definitely ragtime. However, calling the patches themselves ragtime patches doesn't really hold water, since ragtime itself was "basically piano music" as that site says.
I do think ragtime is a better broad term to use than carnival music, though.

[The Boomr]

Wouldn't the proper term be ragtime, Bosk? That was always my impression of them when I heard them.

The piano ones, yeah. But the ones like on The Enemy Inside, whatever instrument that sample is, I don't think it qualifies as ragtime. I could be wrong, though.

I think of them as Jordan Rudess sounds 

That's perfect. He just opens his mouth occasionally and they just come out.

Ummmm you mean like this?
https://youtu.be/97kestc20gY

[Spark Mandrill]

One more thing about this song-there's a certain atmosphere to it. Can't put my finger on it.

[EstyMaJ]

Wouldn't the proper term be ragtime, Bosk? That was always my impression of them when I heard them.

The piano ones, yeah. But the ones like on The Enemy Inside, whatever instrument that sample is, I don't think it qualifies as ragtime. I could be wrong, though.

Ragtime is a style of play not a sound.

I think of them as Jordan Rudess sounds 

That's perfect. He just opens his mouth occasionally and they just come out.

[Podaar]

It's difficult to characterize the patch JR is using on this song but I'd say it's similar to an organ grinder-ish tone. But, more digitized. *shrug*

[Whatsername]

Wouldn't the proper term be ragtime, Bosk? That was always my impression of them when I heard them.

The piano ones, yeah. But the ones like on The Enemy Inside, whatever instrument that sample is, I don't think it qualifies as ragtime. I could be wrong, though.

I think of them as Jordan Rudess sounds 

That's perfect. He just opens his mouth occasionally and they just come out.

Ummmm you mean like this?
https://youtu.be/97kestc20gY

I had no idea this was a thing! I Jordan so much now for doing this.

[snapple]

This song is pretty awesome. My wife loved it, so yeah. Got a nice dark feel to it, pretty fucking metal, but that chorus just grabs the song and adds a layer of softness that gives the song depth. Did I just chocolate cake?

[TheGreatPretender]

Ummmm you mean like this?
https://youtu.be/97kestc20gY

I had no idea this was a thing! I Jordan so much now for doing this.

There's also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNVh7TA6doA

[The Boomr]

I had no idea this was a thing! I Jordan so much now for doing this.

I really need to follow his YouTube channel more often. He posts incredible stuff on there ALL THE TIME. Especially his piano improv sessions that he uploads. Those are almost always gorgeous and incredible.

[eviljust]

Am I the only one that still doesn't like the snare drum? (yes I bought the digital on iTunes)

[The Boomr]

Am I the only one that still doesn't like the snare drum? (yes I bought the digital on iTunes)

I still agree with you too. I'm mostly ok with the tone and reverb of it, in and of itself, but I still feel like it is clipping in the mix. And that's....just bad.

[The Boomr]

Ummmm you mean like this?
https://youtu.be/97kestc20gY

I had no idea this was a thing! I Jordan so much now for doing this.

There's also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNVh7TA6doA

Hahahahaha I looove that face he's making with the raised eyebrow

[snapple]

I love the snare :3

But, ya know, opinions.

[Sycsa]

The best thing about the snare that it sounds unique in the DT catalog. Which means, when you pop the album in ten years from now and hear that snare sound, you'll be like "yeah, that takes me back".

[eviljust]

And please, stop posting those hilarious vids. I almost fell off the chair cuz of laughing too hard

[TheGreatPretender]

The best thing about the snare that it sounds unique in the DT catalog. Which means, when you pop the album in ten years from now and hear that snare sound, you'll be like "yeah, that takes me back".

Until MP goes into the studio and re-records it. 

[Outcrier]

For me, the song suffers from the main problem with DT albums since Systematic Chaos, they can make interesting sections but not a entire song full of interesting sections (like Learning To Live), there's always generic parts mixed within the songwriting that detract points from the songs, like, you hear them and you think: "man, this tune could have been much better if they did this or did that"

[Podaar]

 

[eviljust]

The best thing about the snare that it sounds unique in the DT catalog. Which means, when you pop the album in ten years from now and hear that snare sound, you'll be like "yeah, that takes me back".

Uhm yes and no. But I got your point. But like I, and other people said, think that won't stick on all the album. Guess it was just for the great impact this song has, sonically speaking.

For me, the song suffers from the main problem with DT albums since Systematic Chaos, they can make interesting sections but not a entire song full of interesting sections (like Learning To Live), there's always generic parts mixed within the songwriting that detract points from the songs, like, you hear them and you think: "man, this tune could have been much better if they did this or did that"

Can't compare this nice single to LTL, IMO. Totally different type of song. Still a single this one.

[eviljust]

The best thing about the snare that it sounds unique in the DT catalog. Which means, when you pop the album in ten years from now and hear that snare sound, you'll be like "yeah, that takes me back".

Until MP goes into the studio and re-records it. 

Mean. Mean. Mean. 

Damn, sorry for the doublepost.

[ariich]

I've just never ever been reminded of the circus/carnival by JR's patches.

Probably because they have nothing to do with circuses or carnivals.  But somebody made that comparison once, and it apparently stuck, so all the cool kids who have nothing constructive to say can just throw that out there and act like it is a valid criticism.

Wouldn't the proper term be ragtime, Bosk? That was always my impression of them when I heard them.

No, ragtime is a very specific style, which JR has used a couple of times (TDOE, TDEN) but rarely. And maybe on one or two occasions he's done something reminiscent of circus/carnival music, but unfortunately that phrase just gets used to describe anything quirky or odd in prog music, and it gets kind of irritating.

[jammindude]

I caved....and I loved it.

While I'll admit that it is more "safe DT"...as DT songs go, this really is one of the good ones.   I've only heard it once, and I don't want to wear it out, but I like it more on the first listen than I did CM or RoP....maybe even just a hair more than OTBOA.   

[TheGreatPretender]

I caved....and I loved it.

While I'll admit that it is more "safe DT"...as DT songs go, this really is one of the good ones.   I've only heard it once, and I don't want to wear it out, but I like it more on the first listen than I did CM or RoP....maybe even just a hair more than OTBOA.

for your opinion.  for your self control. 

[FourthHorseman]

For me, the song suffers from the main problem with DT albums since Systematic Chaos, they can make interesting sections but not a entire song full of interesting sections (like Learning To Live), there's always generic parts mixed within the songwriting that detract points from the songs, like, you hear them and you think: "man, this tune could have been much better if they did this or did that"

Breaking All Illusions

[sueño]

I caved....and I loved it.

While I'll admit that it is more "safe DT"...as DT songs go, this really is one of the good ones.   I've only heard it once, and I don't want to wear it out, but I like it more on the first listen than I did CM or RoP....maybe even just a hair more than OTBOA.

for your opinion.  for your self control. 

Mu-haha.  Resistance is futile.   

[The Boomr]

And please, stop posting those hilarious vids. I almost fell off the chair cuz of laughing too hard

Never!!! 

[soulburner]

I like the song and it grows on me with every listen. I like the snare sound.
It's also a bit painful to listen to due to the loudness war treatment I hope the HDTracks release (if there is one) is similar to ADTOE, which sounded significantly better than the CD (and it wasn't due to it being 24 bit, it was simply a different master).

[adameastment]

The song is great I think.

One thing though, why does the intro remind me of Megadeth? The song "This is How the Story Ends", it has a slight similarity.

Still, it's a freaking awesome song now matter who it's similar to

[TheGreatPretender]

The song is great I think.

One thing though, why does the intro remind me of Megadeth? The song "This is How the Story Ends", it has a slight similarity.

Still, it's a freaking awesome song now matter who it's similar to

Really? The intro actually reminds me of "Sudden Death" by Megadeth.