Dream Theater self titled album discussion - [SPOILER FREE DISCUSSION ONLY]

[Mladen]

Well, there you have your 'point'. I wouldn't be surprised if it came with a video this time, too.

This crossed my mind a little while ago. The reason why we're not hearing anything about the single might be because they are maybe planing on making a video to go along with it.

[Sycsa]

I always thought a good way to continue the Metropolis saga would be to give the Hypnotherapist an intriguing backstory that would give him a reason to shoot Nicholas in the present life. Completing the circle yet again would just be the icing on the cake.

[The Stray Seed]

Let no review get to you. The new music will be fresh and will surprise our crew.

I still remember a very bad review I read about SDOIT on the school newspaper in 2002 (yes, it really was there xD), from someone that was desperately trying to compare it to SFAM and was let down by the fact that there was no continuity. He wasn't looking at SDOIT with an opend mind and ended up disliking what was new and unexpected. I was influenced by that too and it took me tens of spins before I could enjoy that album. I remember regularly skipping masterpieces like Blind Faith or The Great Debate. Now SDOIT is one of my favorite albums =) This is why I never give credit to reviews, the only reason why I read them is to understand the style/mood of an album that I still haven't listened to. But for what concerns the actual quality of the music - that is something that it's way too personal - I just decide myself.

[MoraWintersoul]

In cases like this one, in my country we use to say

if my grandmother had wheels would be a wheelbarrow

Just sayin'

Or "if my grandfa had three balls he would be a pinball...!"

"If a cow had wheels it would be a milk truck."

We have a "if my grandma had balls she'd be my grandpa"

I always thought a good way to continue the Metropolis saga would be to give the Hypnotherapist an intriguing backstory that would give him a reason to shoot Nicholas in the present life. Completing the circle yet again would just be the icing on the cake.

Yeah but this cake shall not have that icing.

[wasteland]

Yeah, this story is closed and needs not being opened again.

Let no review get to you. The new music will be fresh and will surprise our crew.

I still remember a very bad review I read about SDOIT on the school newspaper in 2002 (yes, it really was there xD), from someone that was desperately trying to compare it to SFAM and was let down by the fact that there was no continuity. He wasn't looking at SDOIT with an opend mind and ended up disliking what was new and unexpected. I was influenced by that too and it took me tens of spins before I could enjoy that album. I remember regularly skipping masterpieces like Blind Faith or The Great Debate. Now SDOIT is one of my favorite albums =) This is why I never give credit to reviews, the only reason why I read them is to understand the style/mood of an album that I still haven't listened to. But for what concerns the actual quality of the music - that is something that it's way too personal - I just decide myself.

Yes. I was thinking of the mixed reviews SDOIT initially got just yesterday. I don't think that DTDT will be such an abrupt change, though.

[LBC.]

Let no review get to you. The new music will be fresh and will surprise our crew.

I still remember a very bad review I read about SDOIT on the school newspaper in 2002 (yes, it really was there xD), from someone that was desperately trying to compare it to SFAM and was let down by the fact that there was no continuity. He wasn't looking at SDOIT with an opend mind and ended up disliking what was new and unexpected. I was influenced by that too and it took me tens of spins before I could enjoy that album. I remember regularly skipping masterpieces like Blind Faith or The Great Debate. Now SDOIT is one of my favorite albums =) This is why I never give credit to reviews, the only reason why I read them is to understand the style/mood of an album that I still haven't listened to. But for what concerns the actual quality of the music - that is something that it's way too personal - I just decide myself.

Good advice.

[?]

We kind of reached a consensus that ALONG FOR THE RIDE is TCOT Part 2, right? 

And as I said, Behind the Veil is Beneath the Surface II

But seriously, DT made Metropolis Pt. 2 to stop the fans from begging for a sequel to Metropolis, so I can't see them making a third part. If a 25-year-old JP saw this thread, I bet he would be like "oh my god, what did I get us into?!"

Also, if the album had a concept, they probably would've given it a proper title instead of making it self-titled.

[ariich]

When it comes to reviews, I'm basically the same as Blob (I think it was Blob anyway). I pay no attention to whether the reviewer liked or disliked it, as how "good" something is will vary between every person. If the review is only full of gushing praise or cynical cricitism then I'll probably ignore the whole thing (although in the case of gushing praise, if it's well written it can be interesting to read why someone else loves it so much).

But what I read the reviews for are little tidbits of information that I don't already know. They can be a good way to build a picture in your mind of what the album might be like, which can be exciting for the anticipation.

[matte.braso]

we usually have some new info from the official DT channels once a week, so I hope to read some review just to pass the other days, I don't care if bad or good, because usually when it comes an album I really try to focus on the music and forget everything else in my mind. And for the last records since Octavarium the first impression has been generally positive, but after few listenings I've always changed my mind and they ended up being not so good for me, though I admit something's gone better in the first effort with Mangini. Idk but I think this will be the first album that won't disappoint me like those in the past, even after many listenings.

[The Stray Seed]

I still remember a very bad review I read about SDOIT on the school newspaper in 2002 (yes, it really was there xD), from someone that was desperately trying to compare it to SFAM and was let down by the fact that there was no continuity. He wasn't looking at SDOIT with an opend mind and ended up disliking what was new and unexpected. I was influenced by that too and it took me tens of spins before I could enjoy that album. I remember regularly skipping masterpieces like Blind Faith or The Great Debate. Now SDOIT is one of my favorite albums =) This is why I never give credit to reviews, the only reason why I read them is to understand the style/mood of an album that I still haven't listened to. But for what concerns the actual quality of the music - that is something that it's way too personal - I just decide myself.

Yes. I was thinking of the mixed reviews SDOIT initially got just yesterday. I don't think that DTDT will be such an abrupt change, though.

Me either. Although I might love that.

[MoraWintersoul]

But seriously, DT made Metropolis Pt. 2 to stop the fans from begging for a sequel to Metropolis, so I can't see them making a third part. If a 25-year-old JP saw this thread, I bet he would be like "oh my god, what did I get us into?!"

No kidding

[Dellers]

When it comes to reviews, I'm basically the same as Blob (I think it was Blob anyway). I pay no attention to whether the reviewer liked or disliked it, as how "good" something is will vary between every person. If the review is only full of gushing praise or cynical cricitism then I'll probably ignore the whole thing (although in the case of gushing praise, if it's well written it can be interesting to read why someone else loves it so much).

But what I read the reviews for are little tidbits of information that I don't already know. They can be a good way to build a picture in your mind of what the album might be like, which can be exciting for the anticipation.

Pretty much my thoughts on the subject as well. Since a review is subjective I couldn't care less about whether or not the reviewer actually likes an album (or anything else for that matter). The chance that there is some interesting info in a review is the only reason why I would read one.

[Kotowboy]

I've learned form past experience that going into a new album expecting or hoping it to be like a previous album will only lead to disappointment and will not by conducive to taking the album on it's own terms.

Plus I get really annoyed when supposed fans of bands just stop listening to them when they put out an album they don't care for.

" Oh I used to be a fan of X but their last album wasn't very good so I don't listen to them anymore "

At least wait until they've put out three awful albums in a row before you consider it !

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

....Why three?

[Kotowboy]

I dunno. Wouldn't you be close to giving up if a band released three awful albums back to back ?

They'd have to pretty awful though. Not just " lower tier" albums but out-and-out bad.

[Dream Team]

it's not Metropolis, Pt. 3.

If you have official info, please share.

The album is called "Dream Theater", not "Metropolis Pt. 3: Dream Theater". Dude.

Oh god, not this again.

This. IT'S NOT METROPOLIS 3 AND IT'S NOT A CONCEPT ALBUM! Will you finally accept it?

Have you accepted it LBC?

[Lucien]

I dunno. Wouldn't you be close to giving up if a band released three awful albums back to back ?

They'd have to pretty awful though. Not just " lower tier" albums but out-and-out bad.

You'd never be able to give up on DT. Unless you don't like Octavarium, SC, or BC/SL.

[MoraWintersoul]

You'd never be able to give up on DT. Unless you don't like Octavarium, SC, or BC/SL.

I have liked approximately 15-20% of everything they put out after 2003, but somehow I'm here

[Lucien]

You'd never be able to give up on DT. Unless you don't like Octavarium, SC, or BC/SL.

I have liked approximately 15-20% of everything they put out after 2003, but somehow I'm here

[OsMosis2259]

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

[Petruccinator12]

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

[?]

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

amidoinitrite?

Anyway, hopefully the intie will be published soon (not DT/OTE soon)

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

I should put this in my sig....

Will there be a video for this, do you think?

[Petruccinator12]

No, I just think there will be an article about the interview within a few days...

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

amidoinitrite?

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

[Joshin U]

Guys, I'm kinda worried that we haven't heard from John Petrucci in a while. Where do you think he could be?

[Petruccinator12]

Guys, I'm kinda worried that we haven't heard from John Petrucci in a while. Where do you think he could be?

Maybe in a city on the moon?

[showdonttell]

I'm excited for this 20-minute epic.

[Lucien]

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

amidoinitrite?

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

John Petrucci
On my way to the Guitar World offices to spend an afternoon talking guitars and the new DT record.

[Petruccinator12]

What's wrong?

[atmyne]

unless he's giving a song by song synopsis, John never really gives all that much insight when talking about an upcoming album, besides the usual best work to date spiel and probably Mangini is nuts etc.
Still super hyped about noxons upcoming review though...

[Lucien]

unless he's giving a song by song synopsis, John never really gives all that much insight when talking about an upcoming album, besides the usual best work to date spiel and probably Mangini is nuts etc.
Still super hyped about noxons review though...

All this.

I really hope he gives song synopsizes

[Kotowboy]

what I expect :

1.) Either it will be one of those completely in depth interviews about what guitars and amps and FX he used on the album and a brief song by song synopsis

or

2.) He will give the most fleeting review of the album at the end in a box out - something like " we feel it's our best work to date and our first with our new drummer writing. We're all happy with it and what it stands for and we can't wait to play it live ! "

DT will be out Sep 24th on RoadRunner.

[Lucien]

Unfortunately, I feel number 2 is more likely.  However, we should keep our hopes up that we actually hear something new ABOUT the album.

Also, bosk, can we have a emoticon? I feel like it would be really useful.

[Kotowboy]

Close Enough ?