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Title: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - [SPOILER FREE DISCUSSION ONLY]
Post by: bosk1 on July 08, 2013, 01:08:34 PM
Posts about Dream Theater's upcoming self-titled album go here.  Feel free to discuss news, interviews, etc. about DT 12. 

Please note that the other thread has been locked for excessive spam:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.0  Feel free to discuss and to speculate to your heart's content, but keep it reasonable so that we do not have to issue warnings (or worse) or lock and delete another thread.

ALSO OF NOTE:  All official information about the album is listed here:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36530.0

That thread is updated every time we get something new.  If you don't want to have to read through 100+ pages of discussion and are just looking for the facts, that thread is the place to go.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 08, 2013, 01:15:11 PM
I'll start it out by saying, I'm excited to receive any news that the band decides they want to give us, and I'm SUPER excited to hear this damn album. :metal:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 08, 2013, 01:15:36 PM
I wouldn't mind if that purple on black is a slipcase cover.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 08, 2013, 01:15:52 PM
4th!

Cant wait for the news tomorrow, was it announced by RRUSA or other?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2013, 01:19:14 PM
Well with regards to the tracks, we know that there will be 9 songs on the album, including 2 instrumentals, one of which is billed as an Opening track, working title "YARGGG".

Other working titles so far include "Vinegar Seed", "The Clover" (instrumental), "Epic", "Smoothen", "Along For The Ride", "Dolphin Safe", "Bad Larry", and "Reap The Harvest". In addition to these 9 songs, there will be an "Easter Egg" track which features nothing but Keyboards and Guitar lead possibly an improvised collaboration between JP and JR, or something they just wrote and couldn't include in any of the songs.

Of course, the real fun will be figuring out which working titles go with which final track titles once we get the track listing (and hopefully times!). Of course, "YARGGG" will likely be the first track as it is listed as "Opening" on their progress board, and oddly enough the LAST song they wrote and recorded in their sessions from January-to-April.

With that in mind, I speculate that the Opening track will be a sort of overture which sets up the rest of the album. Why else write it at the end after 8 other songs? To me, it might be a "Six Degrees" style overture, or something more like "Overture 1928", an instrumental that sets up the tone for the album, either stylistically or musically. I'd like it to be both, and of course, a sort of concept album, but only time will tell.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 08, 2013, 01:21:12 PM
I cannot wait to see the track listing and album cover. Gonna be great!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 08, 2013, 01:22:26 PM
I wouldn't mind if that purple on black is a slipcase cover.
I think it would be cool as the disk art.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chknptpie on July 08, 2013, 01:25:00 PM
The last thread said something about an announcement tomorrow. My guess is it will be something minor - but I could be wrong!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 08, 2013, 01:30:08 PM
Hopefully we'll get artwork and song titles!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: theseoafs on July 08, 2013, 01:35:18 PM
I'm calling it:  artwork and tracklist tomorrow.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 08, 2013, 01:39:20 PM
WHO SAID TOMORROW??
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: OsMosis2259 on July 08, 2013, 01:42:31 PM
I wouldn't mind if that purple on black is a slipcase cover.
I think it would be cool as the disk art.

I think so too. It makes a lot of sense for a self titled album
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 08, 2013, 01:44:27 PM
WHO SAID TOMORROW??

RR did on their twitter.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Naikon on July 08, 2013, 01:44:53 PM
WHO SAID TOMORROW??

Roadrunner Records on Twitter
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Edergilmour on July 08, 2013, 01:54:11 PM
Can't remember last time I've been this anxious to hear an album. I'm even thinking of organizing a listening party around here. haha
About the song titles, I would like a lot if "Reap the Harvest" is the real title (Pink Floyd - Dogs FTW). I think we have proof enough to believe that tomorrow at this time we'll have track list and cover!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nicmos on July 08, 2013, 01:54:20 PM
To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow.  They just said there would be some news.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 08, 2013, 01:55:30 PM
At some point in the last thread, somebody posted a quote from Mike Mangini about the new album.  Something about it being at least seven times better than anything else he had ever recorded.  Was that a legitimate quote, or a joke?  And if it was legitimate, could somebody link me?

I wanted to ask in the last thread, but it was moving faster than I could keep up with. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 08, 2013, 01:55:51 PM
"Easter Egg" track which features nothing but Keyboards and Guitar lead possibly an improvised collaboration between JP and JR, or something they just wrote and couldn't include in any of the songs.

Wait, what?

To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow.  They just said there would be some news.
Well, someone just said they said that. I'm not doubting it, but it's definitely nothing concrete. I didn't see the tweet and I do follow RR and DT on twitter.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Marion Crane on July 08, 2013, 01:57:05 PM
Yeah I bet we get a tracklist, album cover and single announcement.  Not the actual single itself, but something like "Tuesday July 16th" or something
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: robwebster on July 08, 2013, 01:57:57 PM
To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow.  They just said there would be some news.
Well, someone just said they said that. I'm not doubting it, but it's definitely nothing concrete. I didn't see the tweet and I do follow RR and DT on twitter.
That's cos it's an @-response. Enjoy! (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354271902002446336)

ETA: "DEFINITELY. (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354295535341015040)"
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Letter M on July 08, 2013, 01:58:18 PM
"Easter Egg" track which features nothing but Keyboards and Guitar lead possibly an improvised collaboration between JP and JR, or something they just wrote and couldn't include in any of the songs.

Wait, what?

It was visible on the Song Progress Chart they showed in a video that someone screen capped somewhere. It was in the old thread, but the 10th track at the bottom of the chart was simply titled "Easter Egg" and only had spots open for Guitar and Keys, specifically Synth and Piano with Lead Guitar.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 08, 2013, 02:07:57 PM
To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow.  They just said there would be some news.

True, but last week they said we will get the cover/track listing THIS week.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Edergilmour on July 08, 2013, 02:34:11 PM
To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow.  They just said there would be some news.

True, but last week they said we will get the cover/track listing THIS week.

...and based on that I said that we'll have tracklist and cover tomorrow. Guess I'm optimistic today haha.  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 08, 2013, 02:43:14 PM
At some point in the last thread, somebody posted a quote from Mike Mangini about the new album.  Something about it being at least seven times better than anything else he had ever recorded.  Was that a legitimate quote, or a joke?  And if it was legitimate, could somebody link me?

I wanted to ask in the last thread, but it was moving faster than I could keep up with.

It was from his facebook, he commented on one of his own entries (in which he thanked everyone who voted him drummer of the year). I don't use facebook so I don't know if its possible to link directly to someones comment so I just took a screenshot for you. :)

(https://i.imgur.com/5Cn9sU7.png)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JRuivo on July 08, 2013, 02:47:51 PM
To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow.  They just said there would be some news.
Well, someone just said they said that. I'm not doubting it, but it's definitely nothing concrete. I didn't see the tweet and I do follow RR and DT on twitter.
That's cos it's an @-response. Enjoy! (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354271902002446336)

ETA: "DEFINITELY. (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354295535341015040)"

Who the hell would, at this stage, ask for more studio pics??  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 08, 2013, 02:53:53 PM
That was me being sarcastic ! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Scorpion on July 08, 2013, 02:57:23 PM
I'm not super excited, I must confess, but maybe that's good, because it keeps my expectations in check. I'll still listen, but there's other stuff that I'm looking forward to WAY more than DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 08, 2013, 03:03:25 PM
To be clear, they didn't say what was going to happen tomorrow.  They just said there would be some news.
Well, someone just said they said that. I'm not doubting it, but it's definitely nothing concrete. I didn't see the tweet and I do follow RR and DT on twitter.
That's cos it's an @-response. Enjoy! (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354271902002446336)

ETA: "DEFINITELY. (https://twitter.com/rrusa/status/354295535341015040)"

Who the hell would, at this stage, ask for more studio pics??  :lol :lol :lol
I don't know about studio pics :lol but I'd be stoked for another in the studio video.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 08, 2013, 03:39:11 PM
Bosk I'm not a fan of the looong topic name. Please can you rename to "Dream Theater" Speculation and Discussion?  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ebbeberge on July 08, 2013, 03:51:01 PM
Really hope it's a consept album like SFAM and SDOIT, and that the opening tune is a overture that represent the mood and styles of the album. :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheAtliator on July 08, 2013, 03:55:12 PM
Really quick, could we just sum up just a few of the great things that happened in the old thread?

I think it is very worth noting that we now have a little sneak preview of some keyboard part on the new album that was put together (by Fatal Tragedy right?) due to only this snapshot from the In Studio video #1
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.png)

You can hear it here:
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mid
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 08, 2013, 03:56:19 PM
Really hope it's a consept album like SFAM and SDOIT, and that the opening tune is a overture that represent the mood and styles of the album. :metal
I think that's unlikely, given that the album is self-titled.

However, if DT were to ever have a "theme song" named after the band, I'd imagine it WOULD be instrumental.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 08, 2013, 04:01:27 PM
I hope there will be announcement (or at least announcemen of announcement ;) ). Can't wait to hear new album, to me everything looks like it's going to be a concept album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 08, 2013, 04:17:29 PM
summing up the old thread?
I've been doing that for the past two hours :lol
A summary of notable* updates, somewhat chronologically:

-Jordan's video intie with Noisecreep: https://noisecreep.com/dream-theater-new-album/

-The first look upon the chocolate cake Mt. Boogie came on January 17th:
(https://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv115/ResultsMayVary10/MtBoogie_zps6e160a6e.jpg)

-We figured the new album will have the same drum kit, Harpejji, Continuum, Moog Taurus bass pedals, the new mighty JP13 with DiMarzio pickups, a 12-string acoustic guitar, this: https://www.studiologic-music.com/sledge.html, the Seaboard, mellotron(s?),  A FUCKING ORCHESTRA arranged by Eren Başbuğ

- The album was engineered by Rich Chycki: https://twitter.com/chycki/status/287378658845417473

- A cool intie with John and Jordan (the "MM is an animal"-intie): https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-john-jordan-20130129/?cmpid=20130129/dream-theater/facebook/news-link/john-jordan&utm_source=roadrunner&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=dream-theater-john-jordan-01292013

- JLB was recording this and his solo record at the same time: https://twitter.com/Piratecjs/status/289784777979097089

- A series of Twitter Q&A's were released. Most important points: the album will have an instrumental, at least one set of lyrics penned by JMX

- JP's studio rig video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QQQZubv-lJw

- Over The Edge was filming them in the studio: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502313596493940&set=a.135044486554188.21268.135021603223143&type=1&theater

- JP spoke with DTNorway: https://itunes.apple.com/no/podcast/dtnorway-echos-hill-podcast/id298946023?l=en&mt=2

- ArtisanNews'd JR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZKwtAXsdqo

- we figured out a part of the lyrics from a pic JP posted:
"(---)

every person is a story
begging to be told

hypnotized blameless
paralyzed life

(--) like a (---) to a flame

What if all that I believe

for a moment I lost (---)
(---)

empty (words?) fill up the spaces

(circled) carried upon our soul
cared to share

with every step I take

hesitate or falter

-------------------------------------------

an angel in disguise"

- A tour of JRland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-cTGbXf0w0&feature=youtu.be


Other things that happened in the thread:
Debbie told the story of the Loo Day: "Since Wey is who he is and works for who he works for, we had laminates for the shows we went to on the last ADTOE leg (San Antonio, Austin and Grand Prairie/Dallas).  So the Austin show was awesome, Images and Words 20th anniversary, etc.  After the show, we were backstage and all of the guys except James came out for after show.  After everything wound down and we were on our way out of the backstage area, I noticed an open bathroom and (thankfully) asked the security guard if I could go in real quick - he said that it was for the band and not the general public and that's when I noticed Wey and his daughter laughing their asses off because it was James's loo!

So, you better believe Wey told James ALL about it before the Grand Prairie show - James playfully acted all pissy, and I was SO embarrassed while claiming "It was an honest mistake!" :jets: :jets: :jets:

The way it all played out was just too hilarious.

Edit:  OH!  Almost forgot - after the Grand Prairie show James made a funny comment about meeting in the bathroom (he called it "the washroom") before we left to go back to Austin. :jets: :jets: :jets: :jets: :jets:"

- MP made that one awesome update: "  “@Bagas_Aji_: hi mike , are you still playing drum for dream theater ? Reply plese”
@MikePortnoy "Yes I am...And we're playing Indonesia all month long!!""

- Scorp and Blob killing it:
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/beartracks.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KC1RJAS.jpg)

- this became a thing:
:welcome:





I'll do the rest tomorrow... only reached page 90 of the old thread :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: matte.braso on July 08, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
I wanna share my speculations on the working titles tracklist. I had fun trying to predict the lenght of every song or associating the title to  previous DT song.

regarding the lenght of time we'll see if I guessed some or I was completely wrong ;D:

1. Opening 4 mins
2. Reap the Harvest 6
3. Bad Larry 8
4. Vinegar Seed 9
5. Dolphin Safe 6
6. The Clover 7
7. Along for the Ride 11
8. Epic 17
9. Smoothen 5
10. Easter Egg 1          TOTAL TIME around 74 mins

if this album were made of previous DT song for me it would be like this:

Opening-Overture (SDOIT): I realy wanna hear great orchestrations in it, just like this magnificent song

Reap the Harvest-About to Crash: This title intrigues me. It makes me think of a really proggish Rush-related song, like Innocence Faded or Strange Deja Vu. I'm really looking forward to it

Bad Larry-Constant Motion: really powerful, with lots of badass riffs inspired by Metallica. I'd associate it with Rite of Passage, too.

Vinegar Seed-This is the life: well, I might be completely wrong, but I think this may be a ballad with some great epic moments, just like TITL or One last time.

Dolphin Safe-Through her eyes: really smooth, delicate, like saying you: relax and prepare yourself for the second amazing part of the album

The Clover-The Dance of Eternity: I'm really looking forward to it, and I hope it will be on the level of TDOE, my favourite DT instrumental

Along for the Ride-A Nightmare to Remember: I expect all the elements of a great DT song: great riffs, beautiful acoustic middle section, amazing instrumental part and an epic final.

Epic-The Count of Tuscany: if they've given this title it sure will be one of the best compositions they ever made. :metal

Smoothen-Beneath the Surface: like ADTOE, it seems that a ballad will close the album. I would like to hear something similar to BTS, with lots of acoustic guitars and mostly a Genesis vibe in it.
   
A compilation thus made would be around 77 mins long, containing some of the very best in DT discography, hoping that my expectations won't be disappointed :smiley:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Progressive Metal Fusion on July 08, 2013, 04:22:18 PM
Hi guys, I'm glad to be here with you all!

I know that probably I'm dreaming, but...what if tomorrow we receive the album artwork, track listing and a single? :D
Afterall it's 9th of july, so it might be a possible hypothesis.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nicmos on July 08, 2013, 04:23:17 PM
Really hope it's a consept album like SFAM and SDOIT, and that the opening tune is a overture that represent the mood and styles of the album. :metal
I think that's unlikely, given that the album is self-titled.

However, if DT were to ever have a "theme song" named after the band, I'd imagine it WOULD be instrumental.

You mean like Ytse Jam?  Maybe the instrumental this time will be Retaeht maerd?!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 54_diplomats on July 08, 2013, 04:40:07 PM
The new album is self titled o_O? That's odd...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheAtliator on July 08, 2013, 04:40:15 PM
Wow!! Thank you Mora!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 08, 2013, 04:42:40 PM
Eh, going through the thread was fun, I shiver about going through the spamfest tomorrow :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Scorpion on July 08, 2013, 04:47:23 PM
I feel honoured that you think so highly of my photoshop, Mili. :heart Come to think of it, that whole captioning of that passage was fucking epic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: robwebster on July 08, 2013, 04:57:00 PM
Partially as a public service announcement, partially so we can get on with the new thread...

https://evernote.com/webclipper/

Get an account, go through, and archive any page you want. Saves 'em with formatting, pictures, the lot. If you want, you could go through every single page, click "Clip to Evernote," and you'd have the whole thread saved in the cloud forever.

I saved the lyrics deciphering (three pages, 63-63), deciphering the midi (three pages, somewhere around 112ish?), and the Roadrunner bit (loads of pages, can't remember, easy to find anyway!). Keep it all, the context, the quotes, no worries. No need to clog up the new thread - and if we get nostalgic for these heady times three album cycles down the line, we'll have it all saved.

So! Announcement tomorrow!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 08, 2013, 05:04:20 PM
That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 08, 2013, 05:05:28 PM
Partially as a public service announcement, partially so we can get on with the new thread...

https://evernote.com/webclipper/

Get an account, go through, and archive any page you want. Saves 'em with formatting, pictures, the lot. If you want, you could go through every single page, click "Clip to Evernote," and you'd have the whole thread saved in the cloud forever.

I saved the lyrics deciphering (three pages, 63-63), deciphering the midi (three pages, somewhere around 112ish?), and the Roadrunner bit (loads of pages, can't remember, easy to find anyway!). Keep it all, the context, the quotes, no worries. No need to clog up the new thread - and if we get nostalgic for these heady times three album cycles down the line, we'll have it all saved.

So! Announcement tomorrow!
Oh, thanks!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: robwebster on July 08, 2013, 05:29:19 PM
Hahaha, I only point it out cos it was my first response to finding out it would one day be deleted, too. "It might not be in YOUR archive! Save the treasures!!" Understand the moderators' decision, cos there was a lot of crap in it, but the good bits were genuinely brilliant. And for better or for worse, it's a record of exactly how DTF was feeling as news of the 12th album was gradually revealed.

... I say, like it's history, and we already know everything about the new album. Things tomorrow!! It's going to be a loooong day at work.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 08, 2013, 05:30:58 PM
That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 08, 2013, 05:33:16 PM
Hahaha, I only point it out cos it was my first response to finding out it would one day be deleted, too. "It might not be in YOUR archive! Save the treasures!!" Understand the moderators' decision, cos there was a lot of crap in it, but the good bits were genuinely brilliant. And for better or for worse, it's a record of exactly how DTF was feeling as news of the 12th album was gradually revealed.

... I say, like it's history, and we already know everything about the new album. Things tomorrow!! It's going to be a loooong day at work.


Howdy Rob ... Quick chat ? :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 08, 2013, 05:43:09 PM
That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?

Predictions!  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GasparXR on July 08, 2013, 05:55:56 PM
Hopefully if there is indeed an announcement tomorrow, it's while I'm not busy during the nighttime. :P Otherwise, I will forget about it until the next morning and be raped with a tracklist. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 08, 2013, 06:10:27 PM
That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?

Predictions!  :P
When they say epic, I'm hoping for more along the lines of 8VM... 20+ mins
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 08, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
I predict that my favorite song on the album will be Bad Larry.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 08, 2013, 06:28:15 PM
That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?

Predictions!  :P
When they say epic, I'm hoping for more along the lines of 8VM... 20+ mins

Same here  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 08, 2013, 06:32:00 PM
That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?

Predictions!  :P
When they say epic, I'm hoping for more along the lines of 8VM... 20+ mins
Me too. BAI was cool but it left me wanting more.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lucidity on July 08, 2013, 07:32:18 PM
That Easter Egg track is going AT LEAST 5-6 mins. Epic will be 13mins.
^ Known this is?

Predictions!  :P
When they say epic, I'm hoping for more along the lines of 8VM... 20+ mins
Agreed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Aefenwelg on July 08, 2013, 07:39:37 PM
I hope the song lengths are similar to IaW, but with LtL 20 minutes longer.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 08, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
They already rewrote that album though. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ibosmiley on July 08, 2013, 07:42:40 PM
Hmmm... "Epic", then "Smoothen".  Kind of sounds like we'll be seeing another Breaking All Illusions/Beneath the Surface type of set up.  A longer epic style song followed by a shorter, more mellow album closer type of song.

I was kind of hoping they'd veer away from the 20+ minute type of songs for a while, but if this album is going to be a good showing of what Dream Theater is all about, as they say it will, then it sounds like there will probably be one song of that length and caliber on the album. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Fatal Tragedy on July 08, 2013, 08:26:56 PM
Really quick, could we just sum up just a few of the great things that happened in the old thread?

I think it is very worth noting that we now have a little sneak preview of some keyboard part on the new album that was put together (by Fatal Tragedy right?) due to only this snapshot from the In Studio video #1
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.png)

You can hear it here:
https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_new_song.mid
Thank you for taking the time to repost the midi that took me hours to transcribe for the DT fans. I greatly appreciate the recognition. It's unfortunate that the other thread isn't going to be archived. On the bright side, I have yet another VERY special recreation of another thing that all the DT fans would never have expected to see!

Behold! My 100% accurate reproduction of JP's paper printout of the slice of chocolate cake!

(https://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/188/2/a/the_guitar_must_sound_like_this_______by_s1impikenz-d6cenny.png)

I've made sure everything is in the exact placement as it was in the video! I found the exact photo of cake on the web after a little searching on the internet.  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Aefenwelg on July 08, 2013, 08:30:01 PM
They already rewrote that album though. :neverusethis:

Oh no, I'm not saying they should do that again.

I'm talking strictly song lengths, not content.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 08, 2013, 08:33:36 PM
If we get the track list tomorrow what are the odds we'll get song lengths along with it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheAtliator on July 08, 2013, 08:37:34 PM
Quote
cake pic

BEHOLD!! nice!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 08, 2013, 08:45:48 PM
Hi everyone, first time posting here!

I am really hoping that tomorrow we'll hear something from DTXII, see the artwork and get to the see the tracklist...I don't know, but I am really hopeful.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 08, 2013, 08:48:21 PM
Hi everyone, first time posting here!

I am really hoping that tomorrow we'll hear something from DTXII, see the artwork and get to the see the tracklist...I don't know, but I am really hopeful.
Welcome voices! I doubt we'll hear anything, but track list and art is more likely.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 08, 2013, 09:05:05 PM
If we get the track list tomorrow what are the odds we'll get song lengths along with it?

We probably won't. They didn't release track lengths for ADTOE and I'm pretty sure they didn't for BC&SL too. I remember that the way I found out the lengths for ADTOE was looking at some preorder for it on Roadrunner's website. I think that was about a month after the track titles came out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 08, 2013, 09:07:13 PM
Hi everyone, first time posting here!

I am really hoping that tomorrow we'll hear something from DTXII, see the artwork and get to the see the tracklist...I don't know, but I am really hopeful.
Welcome voices! I doubt we'll hear anything, but track list and art is more likely.

Thanks man! Well, I don't know, but I'm hopeful. It'll be amazing, but I'm happy with art and tracklist...tomorrow we'll see.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 08, 2013, 09:09:31 PM
Hi everyone, first time posting here!

I am really hoping that tomorrow we'll hear something from DTXII, see the artwork and get to the see the tracklist...I don't know, but I am really hopeful.

Welcome!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Flacracker on July 08, 2013, 09:18:04 PM
When I think of what John Petrucci's guitar might sound like on the album I think of the beginning of About to Crash Reprise. I just really like that sound. To me it sounds full and rich like chocolate cake. Im trying to think of another DT song that uses that tone but It doesn't come to mind. I might be thinking of a JP solo song though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 08, 2013, 09:22:10 PM
When I think of what John Petrucci's guitar might sound like on the album I think of the beginning of About to Crash Reprise. I just really like that sound. To me it sounds full and rich like chocolate cake. Im trying to think of another DT song that uses that tone but It doesn't come to mind. I might be thinking of a JP solo song though.
About to Crash Reprise is my favorite JP riff. If DT12 has anything remotely like that I will be  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheAtliator on July 08, 2013, 09:35:39 PM
There's just nothing more magical than when that deep luscious guitar starts soloing in Lost Not Forgotten.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lucidity on July 08, 2013, 09:37:02 PM
When I think of what John Petrucci's guitar might sound like on the album I think of the beginning of About to Crash Reprise. I just really like that sound. To me it sounds full and rich like chocolate cake. Im trying to think of another DT song that uses that tone but It doesn't come to mind. I might be thinking of a JP solo song though.

I agree, that's exactly what I'm picturing. I absolutely love his tone in that intro; it's so classic rock-esque and makes me smile every time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 09, 2013, 12:45:10 AM
Milena, cheers for the awesome summary.

Though, I still love you and all that, but I hate the word "intie". :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Daso on July 09, 2013, 12:51:43 AM
When I think of what John Petrucci's guitar might sound like on the album I think of the beginning of About to Crash Reprise. I just really like that sound. To me it sounds full and rich like chocolate cake. Im trying to think of another DT song that uses that tone but It doesn't come to mind. I might be thinking of a JP solo song though.

I would agree, but I'm pretty sure it will be something close to a metaphysical experience.

I think it will sound like something no one could ever think about before because there was no similar sound in sound's history. The only comparison able to describe it is, well... Chocolate cake. Something related to taste, texture and appearance. It will be a pure translation of senses. From those mentioned to hearing. The experience of listening to it will be equal to how it sounds: impossible to be described.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 09, 2013, 12:59:36 AM
Also the crunchy riff of PMU has awesome sound. Kinda Rammstein-ish :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sdfdsv on July 09, 2013, 01:02:55 AM
Cmon, it's already tomorrow. Where is the announcement  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nikatapi on July 09, 2013, 02:20:58 AM
Can't wait to see the track lengths. I have a feeling we might get an "epic", like Octavarium or ACOS.
Also, i'm very interested in the artwork, hopefully it won't have anything to do with the purple majesty logo, i thought this was very cheesy and 90's feeling like they just found how to use computer graphics.

A single release with the announcement would be incredible, mostly just to get an idea of what the album will sound like, especially Mike's drums.

Very excited  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Thematt202 on July 09, 2013, 02:25:59 AM
The waiting begins (continues)!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 02:26:59 AM
Major props to Milena for the awesome summary with info drawn especially from INTIES (:p), and here's my two cents: Epic is going to be 13~14 minute long, and smoothen around 4.

The easter egg of course won't be credited in the tracklist.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 02:30:12 AM
Can't wait to see the track lengths. I have a feeling we might get an "epic", like Octavarium or ACOS.

I predict something a bit shorter than ACOS/8V, but longer than the "epics" of ADTOE, and still noticeably longer than anything else on the album to warrant the title of the epic. I'll guess around 16 minutes. I'd love to see more songs like TTT, where they cram a lot of sections and changes into a shorter space, and progress linearly.

While it's a somewhat trivial detail, it would be nice to get track lengths, although I don't believe those are typically announced. I also don't expect a single, although I'd like to be wrong. I'm going to guess they'll announce the date of the single though, and I don't expect it will be far off either way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nikatapi on July 09, 2013, 02:33:06 AM
Also, i don't know if anyone listened to the roadrunner podcast, but they talked a bit about the album, they said that they would be releasing some music "fairly soon" (yeah i know), and that there are songs less than five minutes in length so be prepared for that.

You can actually hear this podcast here https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 02:42:17 AM
To be fair if there is songs less than 5 minutes AND an epic, then its all the more better IMO. Diversity = good.  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 09, 2013, 02:53:50 AM
Also, i don't know if anyone listened to the roadrunner podcast, but they talked a bit about the album, they said that they would be releasing some music "fairly soon" (yeah i know), and that there are songs less than five minutes in length so be prepared for that.

You can actually hear this podcast here https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705 (https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705)

Unless I heard incorrectly, he also said that there was a 20 minute song.  :metal :metal :metal

So, if the Roadrunner people are already familiar with track lengths, then perhaps they'll be announced with the tracklist?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 02:55:34 AM
Can somebody post an indicative timestap for the DT discussion? Unfortunately I don't have time to listen to it all  :blush
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 09, 2013, 02:57:23 AM
Can somebody post an indicative timestap for the DT discussion? Unfortunately I don't have time to listen to it all  :blush

It starts about 1 minute in.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 03:04:53 AM
"They are like concise songs. But, at the same time, they are the best songs they have ever written, and Dream Theater fans are going to lose their mind"

And he said: "over 20 minutes song"

So,  :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 09, 2013, 03:08:59 AM
For some reason, it's only now that I think I've truly become very excited for the album. I was a bit excited before, but I think it's starting to kick in now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 03:10:30 AM
What these guys said partially dispel this fear, but I really hope that the presence of a 20+ epic didn't suck all the energy of the songwriting away from the rest of the album, which is what in my opinion happened with Octavarium and is the reason I'm always wary of huge epics in an album context.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nikatapi on July 09, 2013, 03:13:42 AM
Yeah sorry for not mentioning the "over 20 minutes" but for some reason i thought it was a figure of speech, like people who don't listen to DT say "ok this song is half an hour", but i guess there is truth in this statement.

They said that these are the best songs that DT have ever written, but i think this is just PR to get people excited.
Having the album be self-titled though must say something about the quality of the music, i'm sure DT feel very confident about this album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: aprilethereal on July 09, 2013, 03:26:54 AM
If I remember correctly, they also said Systematic Chaos would be the perfect representation of the DT sound.

But yes, 20+ minute epic sounds awesome, if the album turns out to be kind of like 8VM then :caffeine:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Moor on July 09, 2013, 03:27:45 AM
What these guys said partially dispel this fear, but I really hope that the presence of a 20+ epic didn't suck all the energy of the songwriting away from the rest of the album, which is what in my opinion happened with Octavarium and is the reason I'm always wary of huge epics in an album context.
Fully agree !
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 03:55:41 AM
Over 20 minutes? Well dayum, my interest level just rose. That hopefully means they're not playing it too safe on this album. You never know what to expect with DT's epics. It also likely means the rest of the songs won't be crazy long, which I also like.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 09, 2013, 04:05:02 AM
I predict something a bit shorter than ACOS/8V, but longer than the "epics" of ADTOE, and still noticeably longer than anything else on the album to warrant the title of the epic.
I don't think there were any epics on ADTOE. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 09, 2013, 04:17:42 AM
It was said in the podcast that new DT songs are more concise with the exception of the over 20 minute epic. Nice !!!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 04:18:02 AM
I predict something a bit shorter than ACOS/8V, but longer than the "epics" of ADTOE, and still noticeably longer than anything else on the album to warrant the title of the epic.
I don't think there were any epics on ADTOE. 

I agree (hence the quotation marks on that), it just seemed like the most brief way to refer to the 4 longer songs of ADTOE. Don't be bustin' mah chops!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 09, 2013, 04:24:12 AM
I hope that having shorter songs doesn't mean we get a big epic and a load of commercial tracks ala BMUBMD. 1 of those is enough for the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 09, 2013, 04:25:03 AM
This is probably a controversial opinion, but ACOS is the only 20+ minute DT song I love, so I hope the new epic won't be a disappointment.

Also, thanks for the summary, Milena! :tup I was hoping someone would compile the best bits of the previous thread :) I'm glad not everyone is as lazy as me :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Full Speed on July 09, 2013, 05:10:22 AM
ACOS is the only 20+ minute DT song I love

Same here. I hope that can change with the new album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Red_Queen on July 09, 2013, 05:14:20 AM
Hey guys! I'm new here .. But Im in love with DT from my six years!  :metal

I can´t wait for today announcement! I hope for tracklist and cover !
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nikatapi on July 09, 2013, 05:15:20 AM
Hey guys! I'm new here .. But Im in love with DT from my six years!  :metal

I can´t wait for today announcement! I hope for tracklist and cover !

Welcome to the forum, i hope you enjoy your time here :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 09, 2013, 05:20:36 AM
I hope that having shorter songs doesn't mean we get a big epic and a load of commercial tracks ala BMUBMD. 1 of those is enough for the album.

Agreed. I'm expecting there to be probably 2 commercial sounding tracks, but, like you, I hope some of them are more interesting. DT have proved that they can write good short songs (Silent Man, Hell's Kitchen, etc) so hopefully they deliver on this album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Red_Queen on July 09, 2013, 05:20:55 AM
Hey guys! I'm new here .. But Im in love with DT from my six years!  :metal

I can´t wait for today announcement! I hope for tracklist and cover !

Welcome to the forum, i hope you enjoy your time here :metal :metal
Thanks ! I spectate this forum for so long time but i decide to register now.. new album will be epic. I feel it in my bones  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 05:42:01 AM
Over 20 minutes? Well dayum, my interest level just rose. That hopefully means they're not playing it too safe on this album. You never know what to expect with DT's epics. It also likely means the rest of the songs won't be crazy long, which I also like.
An album with lengths akin to Octavarium would be great.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Nihil-Morari on July 09, 2013, 05:43:22 AM
Okay, I'd love to hear that 20 minute track! :caffeine:

And today there's an announcement, if I understand correctly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 05:45:00 AM
This is probably a controversial opinion, but ACOS is the only 20+ minute DT song I love, so I hope the new epic won't be a disappointment.

Also, thanks for the summary, Milena! :tup I was hoping someone would compile the best bits of the previous thread :) I'm glad not everyone is as lazy as me :lol



:lol I love Octavarium so much - I dunno how anyone can not like it
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 05:45:31 AM
The waiting begins (continues)!

SOON !
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 09, 2013, 05:57:10 AM
:lol I love Octavarium so much - I dunno how anyone can not like it
Overlong intros, nonsensical lyrics and aimless instrumental sections aren't my thing :P (sorry to Octavarium lovers - I don't hate the song, but I just don't get the hype)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 06:06:44 AM
Meh I just always have. I didn't like A Change Of Seasons when i heard it. Maybe I should give it another go.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Moor on July 09, 2013, 06:19:49 AM
:lol I love Octavarium so much - I dunno how anyone can not like it
Overlong intros, nonsensical lyrics and aimless instrumental sections aren't my thing :P (sorry to Octavarium lovers - I don't hate the song, but I just don't get the hype)

With all my respect but this is like a dedicated christian saying that the bible is not his thing !
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 06:26:26 AM
Quite ! How can you be a fan of DT and not like Long songs and instrumental sections ?   :police:


Besides - there's way more aimless instrumental stuff on later albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DreamerTV on July 09, 2013, 06:30:40 AM
So news time is going to be the same as usual: 5pm here in Italy, so i guess 11am in NY.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 09, 2013, 06:33:45 AM
:lol I love Octavarium so much - I dunno how anyone can not like it
Overlong intros, nonsensical lyrics and aimless instrumental sections aren't my thing :P (sorry to Octavarium lovers - I don't hate the song, but I just don't get the hype)
With all my respect but this is like a dedicated christian saying that the bible is not his thing !
Not every DT song has 4 minutes of Continuum noodling, lyrics like "seven seize the day tripper" and an instrumental section with the Jingle Bells melody and other random stuff ;) I never said I don't like long songs - ACOS is a top 3 song for me. That said, they have to be very well constructed and the longer the song is, the bigger the risk of it lacking cohesion is.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 09, 2013, 06:49:22 AM
It'll probably be a couple more hours and I'll be away from home then, only to see the immense amount of posts when I get back. Please post something within the next hour and I can do stuff without feeling left out :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Flacracker on July 09, 2013, 06:58:41 AM
Now what if "over 20 minutes" actually means 80 minutes and we get a one album song like The Whirlwind?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Full Speed on July 09, 2013, 06:59:31 AM
So news time is going to be the same as usual: 5pm here in Italy, so i guess 11am in NY.

Any source for this?

And if so, that's like 2 hours from now?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 07:02:01 AM
Now what if "over 20 minutes" actually means 80 minutes and we get a one album song like The Whirlwind?

We've deducted from the in studio videos that the album will have 9 songs (and extras), one of which was actually labelled "Epic".
Also, if it was an 80 minute song, I doubt he'd say it's "over 20 minutes" despite that being technically true. You'd just say it has a really long song on it or something like that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 07:06:16 AM
Now what if "over 20 minutes" actually means 80 minutes and we get a one album song like The Whirlwind?

We already know there are +/- 9 tracks.


So news time is going to be the same as usual: 5pm here in Italy, so i guess 11am in NY.

Any source for this?

And if so, that's like 2 hours from now?


I'll stay up til early Wednesday morning for this in the UK. I'm not expecting it much sooner than that :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DreamerTV on July 09, 2013, 07:06:53 AM
So news time is going to be the same as usual: 5pm here in Italy, so i guess 11am in NY.

Any source for this?

And if so, that's like 2 hours from now?

RR italy, and a Tweet from RR Canada.



Also, was DT.net outfit changed immediatly after OTBOA (in that occasion we saw for the first time the new artwork) came out?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Bolsters on July 09, 2013, 07:10:32 AM
I'm very skeptical, then. The last time we had the promise of news posted on a non-US RR twitter, it turned out to be complete bullshit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DreamerTV on July 09, 2013, 07:17:17 AM
I'm very skeptical, then. The last time we had the promise of news posted on a non-US RR twitter, it turned out to be complete bullshit.

RRusa confirmed the day, RRcanada only the time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 07:19:24 AM
Too many convergent hints. There's no doubt we are getting an announcement this time, and seeing how many national RR divisions are seemingly involeved and ready for it it looks like it won't be a minor one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 07:20:26 AM
OK bring it on then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 09, 2013, 07:20:30 AM
Good call wasteland, here's me hoping for basically everything, except the music itself.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 09, 2013, 07:21:40 AM
It could be "in studio Pt2".
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 07:25:24 AM
It could be "in studio Pt2".

The Spirit Carries On Pt 2: John And The Chocolate Cake
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 09, 2013, 07:26:53 AM
 :lol
It could be "in studio Pt2".

The Spirit Carries On Pt 2: John And The Chocolate Cake
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 07:27:55 AM
It could be, true (and I wouldn't dislike it at all to happen), but I think artwork+tracklisting makes more sense. The album has just been completed and it's too early for a single.

Think of this: from here to the release date there are almost three months. We were given the album title and seminal press release one month ago, we get art and tracks now, single in one month and samples through September. It's a pre-release schedule that would make sense.

Which doesn't mean that one or more "In Studio" videos won't roll together with some or all of said pre-release landmarks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: VincentMDO on July 09, 2013, 07:28:22 AM
We're getting Studio pt II plus tracklist + artwork. Called it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 07:37:51 AM
We're getting Studio pt II plus tracklist + artwork. Called it.

I'll go one further. Snippets of the new album on the Pt2 vid
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 09, 2013, 07:41:58 AM
Nah, we're getting a youtube video of John Petrucci describing the different exclusive items in the Dream Theater Deluxe Box Set while Jordan is using MorphWiz to mess with him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 07:42:53 AM
That sounds eerily familiar.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Octavaripolis on July 09, 2013, 07:43:17 AM
 ADTOE was released on the 13th of september 2011 meanwhile DT12 is being released the 24th of september 2013. There are eleven days and two years between those two dates, just as there are eleven days and 2 years between the 28th of June 2011, the date when On The Backs of Angels was released and today.

I'm calling it, there's a single being released today!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 09, 2013, 07:48:59 AM
The last time they needed the single release for the summer tour...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Octavaripolis on July 09, 2013, 07:50:37 AM
The last time they needed the single release for the summer tour...

Well that doesn't make the dates less valid does it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 07:51:04 AM
4-5 minute songs AND a 20+ min song? that just raised my excitement level beyond anything it was last time around!

I'll stay up til early Wednesday morning for this in the UK. I'm not expecting it much sooner than that :P
I'm with you brother! (Melbourne Australia).
I think i'll give it until 6 am before going to bed. Too bad it wont be Dec 25  :millahhhh
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 09, 2013, 07:55:54 AM
Oh by the way, about those Deluxe boxes; remember how late they arrived last time? While a digital download the day before the street date was a good way to deal with the delays I'd prefer it if they were shipped along with the regular versions of the album this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 07:59:06 AM
Oh by the way, about those Deluxe boxes; remember how late they arrived last time? While a digital download the day before the street date was a good way to deal with the delays I'd prefer it if they were shipped along with the regular versions of the album this time.
Was the vynal of the album available on its own last time round? Like as one of the first packages you could pre-order?
For that matter do modern DT albums sound good on vynal? Totally want to listen to this for the first time on vynal  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 09, 2013, 08:01:25 AM
So in two hours from now, right? Or one?
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Post by: Ad134 on July 09, 2013, 08:04:51 AM
One, I think.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 08:04:58 AM
So in two hours from now, right? Or one?
One. 5PM in a Tuesday Morning!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 09, 2013, 08:06:32 AM
The last time they needed the single release for the summer tour...

Well that doesn't make the dates less valid does it?
Yes.  They aren't touring this summer, so no reason for such an early release of a single.

Not that they definitely won't release one now, there just isn't the same need to do so.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Octavaripolis on July 09, 2013, 08:08:18 AM
The last time they needed the single release for the summer tour...

Well that doesn't make the dates less valid does it?
Yes.  They aren't touring this summer, so no reason for such an early release of a single.

Not that they definitely won't release one now, there just isn't the same need to do so.

I meant the weird connection between the dates, not the actual connection between the dates and the events surrounding them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 08:09:21 AM
In the past haven't they actually specifically announced a date for the single release beforehand? Doesn't seem like the kind of thing to just spring onto people out of the blue.

I'm only expecting a tracklist, and album cover, and maybe another studio vid.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 09, 2013, 08:16:50 AM
Was the vynal of the album available on its own last time round? Like as one of the first packages you could pre-order?
For that matter do modern DT albums sound good on vynal? Totally want to listen to this for the first time on vynal  :biggrin:

As I ordered the Deluxe box which contained the album on vinyl I didn't pay that much attention to whether or not it was available on vinyl from the very beginning but I think that it was. And yes, they sound quite good. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 09, 2013, 08:19:15 AM
I prefer them to release the video only, love the CSI work. Maybe hide the artwork and some more midi screenshots.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 09, 2013, 08:20:00 AM
A new DT single would brighten my day  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 09, 2013, 08:36:20 AM
I don't know if I really want a single to be honest. The more "previously unheard" material I have to dig into at the actual release the better. It's not like I wouldn't listen to a single should one be released though as I am very interested in knowing how the finished product sounds. A snipped would probably do though.

Edit: Oh and I know that I could always just decide not to listen to the single, the problem is that I know that I'm too weak.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mikidream on July 09, 2013, 08:39:42 AM
Hi guys, as you can see it is my first post, but I have been reading the DT forum for months since I moved to UK (I'm Italian). It is also a good exercise for me to practice my English  ;D... anyway I will introduce myself in the appropriate section.

I have two considerations related to this thread:

 - when we received the artwork for ADTOE, if I am not wrong, we have seen the DT's official website changing a little bit some days before the official release of the artwork. But now there is no sign of it. It seems a little bit weird to me that they could release the new artwork keeping the old one in DT's website.

- I have this feeling that the instrumental song could be titled "dream theater" (a self-titled song in a self-titled album!) what do you think? Would it be possible?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 09, 2013, 08:39:53 AM
I also prefer not to have a single prior to the album release.  I wouldn't mind a sampler of 20 or 30 second snippets from each track though  :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Ad134 on July 09, 2013, 08:44:00 AM
- I have this feeling that the instrumental song could be titled "dream theater" (a self-titled song in a self-titled album!) what do you think? Would it be possible?

I would love that. Music players everywhere would display "Dream Theater - Dream Theater - Dream Theater".

Also, welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 09, 2013, 08:47:22 AM
Hi guys, as you can see it is my first post, but I have been reading the DT forum for months since I moved to UK (I'm Italian). It is also a good exercise for me to practice my English  ;D... anyway I will introduce myself in the appropriate section.

I have two considerations related to this thread:

 - when we received the artwork for ADTOE, if I am not wrong, we have seen the DT's official website changing a little bit some days before the official release of the artwork. But now there is no sign of it. It seems a little bit weird to me that they could release the new artwork keeping the old one in DT's website.

- I have this feeling that the instrumental song could be titled "dream theater" (a self-titled song in a self-titled album!) what do you think? Would it be possible?

Hi and welcome to the madness! About the official website changing, I think that was given a complete overhaul due to the fact that ADToE was more or less like the first page of a new chapter - a new beginning. However, the layout is definitely closely tied to the ADTOE artwork so perhaps we will see some changes there as well. Not saying I'm not fond of the guy on the unicycle but I wouldn't mind a different look that goes with the new album I guess.

I certainly wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of the instrumental track being titled "Dream Theater" but I personally don't think so. I think the reason they went with this album title was that they felt that this album defines them as a band, incorporating their various styles and everything that they stand for musically. I don't think that they would also do so with a specific song on the album and especially not with a song that only features 4 out of 5 members. :)

Then again, you never know what'll happen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JRuless on July 09, 2013, 08:47:55 AM
Would be cool if the album was a concept album in style of The Who's - Quadrafonia. Thematically.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 08:48:06 AM
If anything, I'd think the opening track should be called Dream Theater, since it may act as an introduction to the album, although I see no reason why an instrumental would/should be self titled just because the album is.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mikidream on July 09, 2013, 08:51:27 AM
Quote
I think the reason they went with this album title was that they felt that this album defines them as a band, incorporating their various styles and everything that they stand for musically. I don't think that they would also do so with a specific song on the album and especially not with a song that only features 4 out of 5 members.

good point, I didn't think about that   :smiley:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 08:57:45 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942351_10151476147082181_1618737237_n.jpg)

New pic on the FB page.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 09, 2013, 08:58:33 AM
Interesting look...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 08:59:07 AM
They all look really uncomfortable in that pic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: fibreoptix on July 09, 2013, 08:59:25 AM
Here it comes...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Progressive Metal Fusion on July 09, 2013, 08:59:48 AM
From DT's fb account:

The track listing for Dream Theater is as follows:
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE
i. Sleep Paralysis
ii. Night Terrors
iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE
3. THE LOOKING GLASS
4. ENIGMA MACHINE
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY
i. Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire
ii. Live, Die, Kill
iii. The Embracing Circle
iv. The Pursuit of Truth
v. Surrender, Trust & Passion
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SystematicThought on July 09, 2013, 08:59:59 AM
Interesting song titles for the new album. Cool to see a suite as the first track
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 09:00:06 AM
Dream Theater’s self-titled album – the band’s 12th studio release overall, and fourth with Roadrunner Records – will be released September 24, and now you can check out the cover art and see the track listing below!

Says guitarist John Petrucci about Dream Theater, “I see every new album as an opportunity to start over. To either build or improve upon a direction that has been evolving over time or to completely break new ground. This is the first self-titled album of our career and there is nothing I can think of that makes a statement of musical and creative identity stronger than that. We’ve fully explored all of the elements that make us unique, from the epic and intense to the atmospheric and cinematic. We’re incredibly excited about Dream Theater and can’t wait for everyone to hear it.”

The nine-track disc was recorded at Cove City Studio in Glen Cove, Long Island, with guitarist Petrucci producing and Richard Chycki engineering and mixing. It’s the band’s second album with drummer Mike Mangini, and the first one on which he was a part of the writing process from Day One.

In January, Petrucci said of Mangini’s work, “When people hear the drumming on this album, they’re gonna be pretty freaked out. On the last album, he did a great job, but he wasn’t there for the writing process and he was interpreting drum parts that I had programmed. Even though he used his creativity, of course, to change them up and do his thing, I feel like now he’s just Mike Mangini unleashed. It’s all him. It’s all his creativity, all his decisions and ideas and man, the guy’s an animal.”

The track listing for Dream Theater is as follows:

1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE
i. Sleep Paralysis
ii. Night Terrors
iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE
3. THE LOOKING GLASS
4. ENIGMA MACHINE
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY
i. Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire
ii. Live, Die, Kill
iii. The Embracing Circle
iv. The Pursuit of Truth
v. Surrender, Trust & Passion

Dream Theater will be available in a wide range of distinctive versions, including standard and special edition CDs, 180 gram double LP, and a limited edition boxed set. Pre-orders are scheduled to launch in July at the Roadrunner Records Webstore.

Dream Theater will be on tour in Europe in January and February 2014, and in North America in March 2014.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dellers on July 09, 2013, 09:00:25 AM
Awesome cover IMO!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 09:00:32 AM
Holy Fuck

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/971858_10151476148432181_1188161603_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 09:01:01 AM
Very interesting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 09:01:13 AM
YES :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 09:01:17 AM
Song titles seem... I dunno. Not very DT-ish?

Also, no band title on the cover!  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
Looks like the closing song will be the 20+ epic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2013, 09:01:27 AM
Awesome. :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 09, 2013, 09:01:33 AM
Has to be a concept album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: snapple on July 09, 2013, 09:01:35 AM
BOOOOOOOOOOOOONERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 09:01:48 AM
I actually like this artwork.
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Post by: Elite on July 09, 2013, 09:01:54 AM
Wow!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Nihil-Morari on July 09, 2013, 09:02:00 AM
IS THAT THE ARTWORK?



I love that


And the tracklisting
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 09:02:08 AM
Please tell me that wonky picture is not the album cover. It looks like fan art, and that Majesty logo is so off shape.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 09:02:25 AM
Only the logo on the album cover.

Amazing  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 09, 2013, 09:02:33 AM
And these titles sound VERY proggy. I like them a lot at first glance.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Octavaripolis on July 09, 2013, 09:02:39 AM
This does look like a conceptual album to me!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 09:03:01 AM
So, which one do you think's the instrumental?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on July 09, 2013, 09:03:03 AM
My body is ready :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 09, 2013, 09:03:19 AM
Yes, please! :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GuyWhoRunsTheRRFB on July 09, 2013, 09:03:27 AM
I just came here to post this.  Dammit you guys are fast.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 09:03:47 AM
Both the titles and the art suggests that we're in for some dark stuff.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: puppyonacid on July 09, 2013, 09:03:52 AM
Interesting track titles!

LOVE the album artwork.

I do not dig JPs jacket. There I said it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 09:04:00 AM
Please tell me that wonky picture is not the album cover. It looks like fan art, and that Majesty logo is so off shape.

.... I like it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Plasmastrike on July 09, 2013, 09:04:06 AM
Holy shit o_o

HOLY SHIT :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 09, 2013, 09:04:28 AM
So, which one do you think's the instrumental?

I guess "Along for the Ride". Also JP looks old in that pic and MM's hair looks kinda weird.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: AngelBack on July 09, 2013, 09:04:37 AM
Love the cover art already, and the titles look freaking amazing!
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Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 09:04:42 AM
Tracks 3, 4, or 5 will likely be the Instrumental
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Post by: fibreoptix on July 09, 2013, 09:04:48 AM
So, which one do you think's the instrumental?

My guess would be Enigma Machine. Only a guess though.

Got to admit, I'm not mad keen on any of it. Artwork or track titles. Not that you can tell much from them and I don't really know what I was expecting. None of it really appeals to me at all, though.

Songs will probably be good, mind.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lyfeternl on July 09, 2013, 09:05:01 AM
Extremely psyched!

The track titles...the album artwork...Damn!  :metal

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Post by: Cyclopssss on July 09, 2013, 09:05:15 AM
I see they went for the ´Eagles´ look, though...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 09, 2013, 09:05:37 AM
Enigma Machine sounds like an instrumental to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 09:06:02 AM
Please tell me that wonky picture is not the album cover. It looks like fan art, and that Majesty logo is so off shape.

.... I like it.

I like the idea, but that Majesty logo is just so wonky.

And I think it's silly to have a self titled album that doesn't even have the band name on it. If you're naming your album after your band, at least put the name of the band on the cover. A self titled defining album without your signature writing or even the correct logo on the front? Bleh.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 09:06:41 AM
Yeah, I would prefer it to have the band name.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on July 09, 2013, 09:06:56 AM
I love everything about it! :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Scrub206 on July 09, 2013, 09:07:01 AM
My body is ready  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 09:07:25 AM
I just came here to post this.  Dammit you guys are fast.
We are extremely (perhaps unhealthily) obsessed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 09:07:46 AM
Both the titles and the art suggests that we're in for some dark stuff.

I agree. Put this cover next to the ADTOE and it looks like it could be heavy. Heavy heavy (which I was hoping they were straying away from)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 09, 2013, 09:07:50 AM
'Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire'. Seriously DT?

Also dislike the album cover, but hey.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Benedettosoxfan on July 09, 2013, 09:08:09 AM
And the anticipation goes through the roof. Interesting that the opening and closing numbers have multiple parts. I think that Enigma Machine definitely sounds like an instrumental name. Also, didn't we already know that "The Enemy Inside" was coming? I think some lyrics were on one of those papers in the studio video.
Now I just want Summer to be over with already  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Progressive Metal Fusion on July 09, 2013, 09:08:36 AM
Enigma Machine sounds really good for an instrumental song!
Just wait and see, but I bet that it will be the instrumental song on this album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 09, 2013, 09:09:00 AM
Both the titles and the art suggests that we're in for some dark stuff.

I agree. Put this cover next to the ADTOE and it looks like it could be heavy. Heavy heavy (which I was hoping they were straying away from)

See, I think these names actually sound more prog than heavy metal.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Marion Crane on July 09, 2013, 09:09:09 AM
Yeah I have very good feelings about this so far.  I predict Enigma Machine as the instrumental.  Or Along for the Ride
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Ruba on July 09, 2013, 09:09:19 AM
I don't really like the cover.

Multi-part epics, nice!

The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 09, 2013, 09:09:41 AM
OMG OMG OMG

:panicattack:


I CAN'T WAIT!!!!




OH AND THANKS RANDY FOR THE FACTS  :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 09:09:54 AM
I don't really like the cover.

Multi-part epics, nice!

The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush.

The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Within by Star Trek TOS.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 09:10:08 AM
Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: AngelBack on July 09, 2013, 09:10:23 AM
I'm thinking "Along for the Ride" might be instrumental.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Marion Crane on July 09, 2013, 09:10:28 AM
The Enemy Inside will be the single.  Just my prediction
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 09:10:39 AM
Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BelichickFan on July 09, 2013, 09:10:46 AM
That might be the most fascinating group of track titles I've seen from our beloved band.  I'd love some "In the Presence of Enemies" type darkness throughout.  I was intrigued before today, I'm doubly intrigued now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GandL on July 09, 2013, 09:11:46 AM
I pretty much like all of it  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 09:12:03 AM
Looks like they went with another artist this time for the cover, that doesn't look like Mr Syme's work.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 09, 2013, 09:12:39 AM
Oh, look, a second thread! Let's post here too :)

Tracklisting seems good, though I'm not too fond of the titles for the 'Illumination Theory' movements. Album art is pretty weak, as far as I'm concerned. I'll buy it nevertheless.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Octavaripolis on July 09, 2013, 09:12:41 AM
Oh and, might this be the follow up to SFaM? False Awakening? Maybe Nicholas didn't actually wake up from his hypnotherapy? THE NUGGETZ OH LAWDY LAWD
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 09, 2013, 09:12:50 AM
Yes, titles look so proggy and dark :metal
I'm so hyped now, my only fear is that last song is too long just for the sake of being epic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: snapple on July 09, 2013, 09:12:54 AM
Some of the titles give me a punk rock vibe.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nikatapi on July 09, 2013, 09:13:29 AM
Track titles are pretty good i think, hopefully the lyrics are good as well. I have a feeling that Illumination Theory will have lyrics from JM and JP.

I don't really like the glowing Majesty logo but i think it is a decent cover, miles better than ADTOE.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow2222 on July 09, 2013, 09:13:34 AM
All of this is awesome, although I wish the album cover had the band's name on it. It will kind of stick out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of their discography.

I love the track titles, and the fact that it looks like we are getting a nice, long epic song again.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 09, 2013, 09:13:52 AM
The titles are very prog metal and actually remind me of some fake track titles people came up with here! To be honest I'm not crazy about them, but I thought the same about the ADTOE titles and it became a top 3 album for me, so I'll shut up :lol However, I like the cover - it's cool that it's more minimalistic and there's no band name. I'm 100% sure there will be a sticker on the CD, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dream416 on July 09, 2013, 09:14:04 AM
Need.....this.....now..... :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 09, 2013, 09:14:09 AM
'Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire'. Seriously DT?
Very Symphony X. I like it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: AngelBack on July 09, 2013, 09:14:18 AM
New desk top background deployed...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Weymolith on July 09, 2013, 09:14:22 AM
Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?

It does kind of look like it, but I've got the hi-res file here and it just appears to be the style they used to emboss it.. Although it could be something  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 09, 2013, 09:14:46 AM
Interesting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nikostheater on July 09, 2013, 09:15:10 AM
I can't wait! The cover is cool, (it may grow on me), the track titles though are awesome!
I am sure it's going to be a great album! I am excited!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 425 on July 09, 2013, 09:15:35 AM
Is it me or are these some of DT's more pretentious-sounding track titles? Not that I'm complaining, I'm a prog metal fan, I love pretentious.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dreamer81 on July 09, 2013, 09:15:58 AM
Nice cover and 2 epic? :omg: Instaboner!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 09:16:10 AM
Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?

It does kind of look like it, but I've got the hi-res file here and it just appears to be the style they used to emboss it.. Although it could be something  :biggrin:

Aha. Shame it isnt though, since this is THEIR album.

Anyway I think the idea is that the logo will be 3D embossed on the jacket.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: krands85 on July 09, 2013, 09:16:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/eIMweoI.gif)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 09, 2013, 09:16:15 AM
That cover art looks soo much better than the low res logo with the purple background.

[Meatrose's Seal of Approval]  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: faizoff on July 09, 2013, 09:16:34 AM
Probably my least fav DT cover apart from the very first album. Sept 24th cant come fast enough.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 09:16:58 AM
dat cover... called it XD
and yep those track names holy fucking shit... I'm not going to be able to NOT listen to any samples or singles now D':
I'll give it a shot...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: VincentMDO on July 09, 2013, 09:17:11 AM
'Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire'. Seriously DT?
Very Symphony X. I like it.

And The Looking Glass. Some Symphony X sounding titles.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Bolsters on July 09, 2013, 09:18:06 AM
First impression: I like the idea of that artwork, but the Earth in the background just looks...off. A bit too blurry for one thing. No Definition. However - probably the best thing Syme has done in quite a few years for them.

Second impression: These tracks titles seem unusual for DT. Not a bad thing. Kind of ironic since this album is called "Dream Theater" and is supposed to consist of everything the band is about, though. :lol And there's nothing silly here like The Count of Tuscany or The Shaman's Trance at least.

So...yeah. Now I want the single. :-[
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Implode on July 09, 2013, 09:18:23 AM
Yes, the logo is...different (i'm reluctant to say wrong when it's official), but I think this looks amazing. I am so pumped for this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 09, 2013, 09:19:14 AM
Woah.

I have no idea what to think.

But, I will say, I definitely think I'm getting my "serious business" wish from the Captain JLB thread  :biggrin:

Now I'm kinda wondering, is that a good thing?

Either way, I'm pumped  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 09, 2013, 09:19:30 AM
So do we think 'Sleep Paralysis' could be the intro track that we saw written down in the studio video?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 09, 2013, 09:19:57 AM
DT12 = DTs Dark Side of the Moon

Multiple part epics are awesome. Probably gonna have good use of the orchestra.

As Virgil Donati said: the excitement...is...building!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 09:20:15 AM
Cover seems to show Dream Theater taking over the world. I hope its a good sign
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 09, 2013, 09:20:56 AM
So do we think 'Sleep Paralysis' could be the intro track that we saw written down in the studio video?
Could be, a sort of Overture type track.

I hope this is their darkest since Awake.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 09, 2013, 09:21:02 AM
That picture sure is taken from The Dark Side Of The Earth.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 09, 2013, 09:21:07 AM
Woah.

I have no idea what to think.

But, I will say, I definitely think I'm getting my "serious business" wish from the Captain JLB thread  :biggrin:

Now I'm kinda wondering, is that a good thing?

Either way, I'm pumped  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: AngelBack on July 09, 2013, 09:21:31 AM
What are the reflections in the metal logo?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: OsMosis2259 on July 09, 2013, 09:22:22 AM
Shi* just got real

Can't wait for this  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 09, 2013, 09:22:34 AM
Is it me or are these some of DT's more pretentious-sounding track titles? Not that I'm complaining, I'm a prog metal fan, I love pretentious.
Yes, and it's great ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 09:23:38 AM
What are the reflections in the metal logo?

I thought it could be the Brooklyn Bridge.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 09, 2013, 09:23:54 AM
I hope the lyrics for the False Awakening Suite haven't been written in the Wikipedia style of Panic Attack and AROP...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 09:23:58 AM
These are probably the "proggiest" titles DT has ever had.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Another_Won on July 09, 2013, 09:24:21 AM
'Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire'. Seriously DT?

Also dislike the album cover, but hey.

'Paradox of Black Light'
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: AngelBack on July 09, 2013, 09:24:42 AM
What are the reflections in the metal logo?

I thought it could be the Brooklyn Bridge.


Good call, some portion of NYC skyline?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Implode on July 09, 2013, 09:25:40 AM

I hope this is their darkest since Awake.  :metal

Well if ADTOE was IaW, and judging by all the sleep references, you may get your wish! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 09, 2013, 09:25:58 AM
Interesting artwork.

Does that make this the Black Album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 09:26:13 AM

I hope this is their darkest since Awake.  :metal

Well if ADTOE was IaW, and judging by all the sleep references, you may get your wish! :neverusethis:

Whoa!  :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Another_Won on July 09, 2013, 09:26:32 AM
Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?

It does kind of look like it, but I've got the hi-res file here and it just appears to be the style they used to emboss it.. Although it could be something  :biggrin:

Can we get a copy of the hi-res version?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 09, 2013, 09:27:02 AM

I hope this is their darkest since Awake.  :metal

Well if ADTOE was IaW, and judging by all the sleep references, you may get your wish! :neverusethis:
Well if that's the case...Calling it now, False Awakening Suite is A Mind Beside Itself Part 2. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: AngelBack on July 09, 2013, 09:27:45 AM
I dont know NYC geography that well, but if the reflection is the Brooklyn Bridge, symbolic that the bridge takes DT to the world ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 09, 2013, 09:27:48 AM
'Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire'. Seriously DT?

Also dislike the album cover, but hey.

'Paradox of Black Light'

Thanks, I know French too. I just don't get why the hell they would do this. Same thing with Pain of Salvation randomly singing in French on 'The Physics of Gridlock' from their Road Salt Two album. It just seems very pretentious and ..odd/off for some reason.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 09:28:30 AM
I'm sure I used some of those titles in one of my fake track lists. I need to go and check. ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: theseoafs on July 09, 2013, 09:29:26 AM
'Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire'. Seriously DT?

Also dislike the album cover, but hey.

'Paradox of Black Light'

Thanks, I know French too. I just don't get why the hell they would do this. Same thing with Pain of Salvation randomly singing in French on 'The Physics of Gridlock' from their Road Salt Two album. It just seems very pretentious and ..odd/off for some reason.

I sincerely doubt JLB will be singing in French  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Awake77 on July 09, 2013, 09:29:26 AM
Well, if they stayed on the safe side with ADTOE, it looks like now they are going with something different, at least in terms of song titles and, probably, lyrics. It really looks like a concept album. Now I'm so curious to see if the music is also a step in a new direction and if there will be recurring themes as in Awake of SFAM.
I also wonder if these titles were a deliberate choice to write about a specific subject of if it was the music they had written that kinda brought them to this choice.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 09, 2013, 09:29:53 AM
These are probably the "proggiest" titles DT has ever had.

Just thought the same! The titles don't sound like dark athmosphere, like the cover does.


Now I can say I'm excited!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 09, 2013, 09:29:55 AM
Unless I'm very much mistaken, is that not the Brooklyn Bridge in the Majesty logo?

It does kind of look like it, but I've got the hi-res file here and it just appears to be the style they used to emboss it.. Although it could be something  :biggrin:

Can we get a copy of the hi-res version?



THIS PLZ MASTER
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hacko on July 09, 2013, 09:30:28 AM
Waiting for stevetheater's take on that art...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 09, 2013, 09:31:28 AM
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE

Sounds like 80's Rush  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: AngelBack on July 09, 2013, 09:32:19 AM
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE

Sounds like 80's Rush  :biggrin:

Had the exact same thought!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 09:32:28 AM
'Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire'. Seriously DT?

Also dislike the album cover, but hey.

'Paradox of Black Light'

Thanks, I know French too. I just don't get why the hell they would do this. Same thing with Pain of Salvation randomly singing in French on 'The Physics of Gridlock' from their Road Salt Two album. It just seems very pretentious and ..odd/off for some reason.

I sincerely doubt JLB will be singing in French  :lol

A TOUT LE MONDE
LABRIE IS A CHEESE
ETC ETC

I'm imagining an instrumental opening or something. I am not imagining French anywhere. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 09, 2013, 09:32:30 AM
Eh, not sure about that cover art. The tracklist looks like something you'd see in the fake tracklist thread.

Interesting indeed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dr. DTVT on July 09, 2013, 09:33:40 AM

The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush.

The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Inside

(https://www.blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/Prymary_enemy.jpg)

Boom.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Onno on July 09, 2013, 09:35:09 AM
YES! Can't wait! Amazing cover art, and 2 epics? FUCK YEAH!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 09:35:27 AM
I actually really like the DT logo look. Something about the way it "reflects" makes it look really legit. It doesn't look wonky at all to me.
Simple yet slick as all hell.
Now that my hype as subsided a little, I am regaining confidence in my ability to not listen to any of it until its release and really bask in its glory and make it the best DT listening ever!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 09, 2013, 09:35:48 AM
Eh, not sure about that cover art. The tracklist looks like something you'd see in the fake tracklist thread.

Interesting indeed.
Well, keep in mind that new DT artwork/tracklisting always leads to moments of disbelief followed by tons of speculation that always turns out to be wrong.

Remember when people thought ToT was going to be a really religious album? :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: novenpeter on July 09, 2013, 09:37:39 AM
The Majesty Symbol is bugging me so bad.  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

If it is the right symbol then the cover will be good for me
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 09:37:57 AM
Holy Fuck

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/971858_10151476148432181_1188161603_n.jpg)

That's absolutely gorgeous artwork. :omg: :hefdaddy :metal

I kinda get the dark vibe that a lot of other people here are mentioning, but my personal gut reaction is insane prog overload. I'm getting the distinct feeling that Dream Theater is aiming to make their personal equivalent of The Dark Side of the Moon with this album.

I'm excited as hell for this. :metal :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Vlasto on July 09, 2013, 09:38:30 AM
sub names of tracks...great ... love it
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mladen on July 09, 2013, 09:39:45 AM
New desk top background deployed...
Yeah, I gotta do this as well.  :biggrin:

Everything looks awesome, I'm extremely excited.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 09, 2013, 09:40:09 AM
It doesn't say who did the cover art... Does this look like Hugh Sime?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 09, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
A few thoughts:

1. The artwork - does that make this the Black Album?

2. The first track is a 3-part suite? Seems unlikely that would be what we previously knew as "Opening". But then there are still 9 tracks... did Easter Egg become a song, did something else get split up...?

3. Why on earth does anyone think the titles imply that it's a concept album? I mean, I'm not saying it's definitely not, but the titles mostly have nothing to do with each other.

4. At least from this, it definitely seems as though they are playing it less safe this time around, which is very exciting. Of course, whether that's the case with the music itself remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lonestar on July 09, 2013, 09:40:34 AM
I have the most massive prog boner right now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 7StringedBeast on July 09, 2013, 09:40:49 AM
Just going by what I see here.  This album seems to have more purpose to it than the previous three albums.  I'm getting a back to Octavarium, 6 degrees vibe from it.  Maybe even some SFAM. 

I hope this album has great flow which I feel has been missing on their albums since Octavarium.

I think this is the best cover art they have had in a long time.  Did they get a new artist?  The design is really good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2013, 09:41:39 AM
I think it could end up being a thematic album (which IS different from a concept album), which is what I was hoping for.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Bolsters on July 09, 2013, 09:42:36 AM
New desk top background deployed...
Yeah, I gotta do this as well.  :biggrin:
Everything looks awesome, I'm extremely excited.  :metal
I'd like to use it as a desktop wallpaper, but the provided image is just too small. Looks like garbage stretched up to fit my screen's resolution. :-\
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: AngelBack on July 09, 2013, 09:42:52 AM
I think it could end up being a thematic album (which IS different from a concept album), which is what I was hoping for.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 09:43:00 AM
Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 09:44:11 AM
And add the band name (with the correct font).
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 09, 2013, 09:44:55 AM
Cover art and tracklisting are freaking great but...I was expecting a single. I need to listen to some minutes of what's about to come.  I'm disappointed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 09:45:03 AM
That too. DT's font in chrome would look pretty badass.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 7StringedBeast on July 09, 2013, 09:46:18 AM
Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.

How is that not the correct logo?  It's the majesty logo embossed.  I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 09, 2013, 09:46:24 AM
Illumination Theory = JMX lyrics   :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 09, 2013, 09:47:13 AM
I just came here to post this.  Dammit you guys are fast.

You'd basically have to post it here before it's posted anywhere else.  :angel:

Thanks anyways, it was thoughtful of you to come here to post this.  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 09, 2013, 09:47:15 AM
A few thoughts:

1. The artwork - does that make this the Black Album?

2. The first track is a 3-part suite? Seems unlikely that would be what we previously knew as "Opening". But then there are still 9 tracks... did Easter Egg become a song, did something else get split up...?

3. Why on earth does anyone think the titles imply that it's a concept album? I mean, I'm not saying it's definitely not, but the titles mostly have nothing to do with each other.

4. At least from this, it definitely seems as though they are playing it less safe this time around, which is very exciting. Of course, whether that's the case with the music itself remains to be seen.

1. Yes.

2. I think the section called Sleep Paralysis could be the "Opening".

3. I just think the proggy titles lend themselves to its being concept album, however mad that sounds. I know it's based on absolutely nothing. Simply a vibe I've had about this album all along.

4. Agreed, which can only be a good thing in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 09:48:28 AM
That too. DT's font in chrome would look pretty badass.

Something like this (https://i.imgur.com/ba2Axgb.jpg)?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 09, 2013, 09:49:41 AM
I have the most massive prog boner right now.

This. I absolutely love the song titles, and that they're splitting things into movements again. The last song seems like it's gonna be epic as hell.

The funny thing is that last night, I had a dream that I was at a very small and intimate Evening with DT concert, and it was super informal, to such extent that James was singing without a mic, because his voice was too powerful for such a small venue, haha. And then I wake up to this. Can't complain!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 7StringedBeast on July 09, 2013, 09:49:46 AM
I don't think it needs the band name on it at all.   We all know what the symbol means and adding anything else to the cover starts to detract from the design.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 09:50:04 AM
Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.

How is that not the correct logo?  It's the majesty logo embossed.  I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.

The existing Majesty logo is not that elipsoid or that flat, and the "tails" are not supposed to be that flat and sharp. And the existing logo is not symmetrical vertically.
Also, it just looks plain off.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on July 09, 2013, 09:50:08 AM
As long as they don't go full Wilson on us and don't include lyrics in the booklet I'm happy.:)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 09, 2013, 09:51:37 AM
Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.

Why can't they just hire one of us to do the artwork? Seems like Syme is doing sloppy work on purpose or something. That Majesty symbol looks goofy now that I'm at my computer and can see a bigger version of it.

Eh, not sure about that cover art. The tracklist looks like something you'd see in the fake tracklist thread.

Interesting indeed.
Well, keep in mind that new DT artwork/tracklisting always leads to moments of disbelief followed by tons of speculation that always turns out to be wrong.

Remember when people thought ToT was going to be a really religious album? :D

I wasn't a fan at that time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Nick on July 09, 2013, 09:51:41 AM
Not a fan of the cover at all, for a wide variety of reasons, but the track list definitely has my interest. Looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 09:51:54 AM
A few thoughts:

1. The artwork - does that make this the Black Album?

2. The first track is a 3-part suite? Seems unlikely that would be what we previously knew as "Opening". But then there are still 9 tracks... did Easter Egg become a song, did something else get split up...?

3. Why on earth does anyone think the titles imply that it's a concept album? I mean, I'm not saying it's definitely not, but the titles mostly have nothing to do with each other.

4. At least from this, it definitely seems as though they are playing it less safe this time around, which is very exciting. Of course, whether that's the case with the music itself remains to be seen.

1. I was thinking 'Dark Side of the Theater' or 'Dark Side of the Dream' myself. :biggrin: :lol

2. Eh, Idk. Could be that the first part is a musical opening.

3. I'm not sure myself. I could see it being a thematic album though.

4. Indeed.

Cover art and tracklisting are freaking great but...I was expecting a single. I need to listen to some minutes of what's about to come.  I'm disappointed.

Why were you expecting a single in the first place? The only confirmed things to be announced today were the artwork and track list, if memory serves me right.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lonestar on July 09, 2013, 09:52:02 AM
And phone wallpaper changed.....

(https://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q554/oskirules/Screenshot_2013-07-09-08-48-49_zpsdbf21861.png)



Fuck yes. I'm so goddam stoked right now!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TAC on July 09, 2013, 09:52:10 AM
Wow!

Cannot wait! Those are some badass song titles!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 09:52:49 AM
Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.

Why can't they just hire one of us to do the artwork? Seems like Syme is doing sloppy work on purpose or something. That Majesty symbol looks goofy now that I'm at my computer and can see a bigger version of it.

They can keep Syme doing the artwork, they just need us to proof-check it before it's finalized. :lol
Then maybe the DT writing wouldn't have been wrong on ADTOE either...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 7StringedBeast on July 09, 2013, 09:53:06 AM
Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.

How is that not the correct logo?  It's the majesty logo embossed.  I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.

The existing Majesty logo is not that elipsoid or that flat, and the "tails" are not supposed to be that flat and sharp. And the existing logo is not symmetrical vertically.
Also, it just looks plain off.

I think this one actually looks better than the old one.  Maybe they just wanted an updated take on the logo?  Either way, this cover is way better than the last 3 for sure, I think.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 09, 2013, 09:53:13 AM
As long as they don't go full Wilson on us and don't include lyrics in the booklet I'm happy.:)
why no lyrics?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 425 on July 09, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
Anyone want to predict which one has John Myung lyrics?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 09, 2013, 09:54:18 AM
Behind the Veil.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LCArenas on July 09, 2013, 09:54:32 AM
DICKSHIT HYPING FUCKNIPPLES DAT SUM GOOD TITLES

I'm really excited for what may come here :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Frank on July 09, 2013, 09:54:42 AM
I have the most massive prog boner right now.

Absolutely this. I'm fucking pumped now. I agree, the song titles are pretentious, and I could honestly do without the French, but hey, maybe it'll make sense, and if it doesn't so long as the music is good I don't care. The not-DT-esque song titles are actually a good sign for me. It looks like we're really going to get something not safe, and subsequently, something absolutely amazing. I'm also surprised that we're opening up with a multi-part track given what we knew before. The only thing I'm personally missing now is the ability to buy the damn thing.

And though I do understand Blob's feelings regarding no "Dream Theater"on the cover art, I think aesthetically it looks gorgeous and I'll be holding out for a high quality version of it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 09, 2013, 09:55:25 AM
I didn't expect any of this at all....

WOW!!!!!!!!

The cover is amazing, the song titles are great. The artwork fits the titles. If my guesses are right, based off the cover and titles,  This is gonna be amazing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: OsMosis2259 on July 09, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
Best cover art since ToT!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Bolsters on July 09, 2013, 09:56:26 AM
I think this one actually looks better than the old one.  Maybe they just wanted an updated take on the logo?
Apparently every little thing has to be exactly the same, to the pixel, every single time the band releases anything. So, no. :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 09:56:27 AM
Anyone want to predict which one has John Myung lyrics?

I'm guessing either Behind the Veil or Illumination Theory.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 09:56:43 AM
Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.

How is that not the correct logo?  It's the majesty logo embossed.  I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.

The existing Majesty logo is not that elipsoid or that flat, and the "tails" are not supposed to be that flat and sharp. And the existing logo is not symmetrical vertically.
Also, it just looks plain off.

I think this one actually looks better than the old one.  Maybe they just wanted an updated take on the logo?  Either way, this cover is way better than the last 3 for sure, I think.

But a few minutes ago, you couldn't even tell the difference between the logos side by side. :lol

It looked nasty to me when it was the purple design, and it still looks nasty to me now. If you're using your logo as the only defining image on a self titled album cover, at least stick to the same one you've identified yourself by for your entire career. This logo design looks like fan art to me, and is a huge downer on an otherwise beautifully simple design. I'd love it if they fixed that, and would easily be one of their best covers but for that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nikatapi on July 09, 2013, 09:57:15 AM
Anyone want to predict which one has John Myung lyrics?

I'll say there are 2 songs with JM lyrics. The Bigger Picture and Illumination Theory.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 425 on July 09, 2013, 09:57:27 AM
Behind the Veil.

I think either that one or The Looking Glass (which has the possibility for water imagery :biggrin: ).
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lyfeternl on July 09, 2013, 09:57:31 AM
New desk top background deployed...

New iPhone wallpaper/lockscreen activated...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 09:57:43 AM
At least there's no unicyclist this time. What are you going to animate for them now, Blob?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Awake77 on July 09, 2013, 09:57:49 AM

3. Why on earth does anyone think the titles imply that it's a concept album? I mean, I'm not saying it's definitely not, but the titles mostly have nothing to do with each other.


To me a title like "The bigger picture" seems odd unless it is the title of a chapter of a longer story.
Moreover some titles suggest that there is a story beyond them (the ride, the looking glass, the veil... could well be elements of a story.
Then you have titles connected to light/vision (looking glass, veil, illumination theory), and the contrast between "false" in the beginning and "truth" at the end.
But this is all speculation...!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 09, 2013, 09:58:04 AM
Band logos evolve over time.  Personally, I don't care much about what the album cover looks like.  I think this kind of fits with what Petrucci has been quoted as saying about the album.


Song titles are intriguing.


I'm looking forward to hearing it, and fortunately, I've managed to keep my expectations pretty low.


Fingers crossed for a nice, crisp sounding production.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 09:58:12 AM
Unless I heard incorrectly, he also said that there was a 20 minute song.  :metal :metal :metal
I think you heard correctly.
>band is more focused and yet looser and "rockin it a bit harder"
>songwriting a little more concise, "except for the over 20 minute epic".
>some songs less than 5 minutes on this album
>"they're the best songs they have ever written".
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 09, 2013, 09:58:20 AM
Also, I think with song titles like those, the album should have gotten a proper name.

OK, I'm done criticizing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 09:58:56 AM
Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.

How is that not the correct logo?  It's the majesty logo embossed.  I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.

The existing Majesty logo is not that elipsoid or that flat, and the "tails" are not supposed to be that flat and sharp. And the existing logo is not symmetrical vertically.
Also, it just looks plain off.

I think this one actually looks better than the old one.  Maybe they just wanted an updated take on the logo?  Either way, this cover is way better than the last 3 for sure, I think.

Agreed. I like this take on the Majesty logo a lot. Sure, it's different, but that's not immediately a bad thing IMO. And yeah, this is definitely one of the best art covers for a DT album to date. :metal :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 09, 2013, 09:59:11 AM
I thought DT would bring us a single this early to compensate Live at Luna Park delay. I was wrong hahahah!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 7StringedBeast on July 09, 2013, 10:00:18 AM
Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.

How is that not the correct logo?  It's the majesty logo embossed.  I'm looking at them side by side and they seem to be pretty much exactly the same only with silver and an emboss effect.

The existing Majesty logo is not that elipsoid or that flat, and the "tails" are not supposed to be that flat and sharp. And the existing logo is not symmetrical vertically.
Also, it just looks plain off.

I think this one actually looks better than the old one.  Maybe they just wanted an updated take on the logo?  Either way, this cover is way better than the last 3 for sure, I think.

But a few minutes ago, you couldn't even tell the difference between the logos side by side. :lol

It looked nasty to me when it was the purple design, and it still looks nasty to me now. If you're using your logo as the only defining image on a self titled album cover, at least stick to the same one you've identified yourself by for your entire career. This logo design looks like fan art to me, and is a huge downer on an otherwise beautifully simple design. I'd love it if they fixed that, and would easily be one of their best covers but for that.

True but after you pointed it out I saw what you were saying.  I don't think it is different enough to say it is a different logo.  It's just reworked.  Also I think this album is probably a redefinition of Dream Theater in a way. 

I thought the last 3 album covers looked like fan art.  This cover looks like it has purpose.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LCArenas on July 09, 2013, 10:00:24 AM
Those song titles seem amazing man, and the artwork is nice, they decided to keep it nice and simple

MY BODY IS READY :2metal:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jingle.boy on July 09, 2013, 10:01:11 AM
Band logos evolve over time.  Personally, I don't care much about what the album cover looks like.  I think this kind of fits with what Petrucci has been quoted as saying about the album.


Song titles are intriguing.


I'm looking forward to hearing it, and fortunately, I've managed to keep my expectations pretty low.


Fingers crossed for a nice, crisp sounding production.

^This.


The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Within by Rush.

The Enemy Inside reminds me of The Enemy Inside

(https://www.blabbermouth.net/reviewpics/Prymary_enemy.jpg)

Boom.

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SeRoX on July 09, 2013, 10:02:16 AM
Don't care the cover, these titles make me excited. I even did not feel the same way when I saw ADTOE titles. These titles seem more proggier and darker. Hope the album will come out like we think.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SomeoneLikeHim on July 09, 2013, 10:02:40 AM
As long as they don't go full Wilson on us and don't include lyrics in the booklet I'm happy.:)
why no lyrics?
I mean I want the booklet to have lyrics. Some of my Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson CDs have booklets without lyrics and it's really annoying. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 09, 2013, 10:02:41 AM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/992792_598903366808262_213257409_n.jpg)

First single then?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LCArenas on July 09, 2013, 10:04:25 AM
That isn't official isn't it? It is?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 09, 2013, 10:04:44 AM
Should this be my first Dream Theater album??   :justjen


And yes -- always lyrics in EVERY album, please.  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JRuless on July 09, 2013, 10:04:52 AM
it's the same reflection in the logo as the earlier purple one i think?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 10:05:12 AM
That isn't official isn't it? It is?

The tacked on Majesty logo (which doesn't match the one on the cover) says no.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Bolsters on July 09, 2013, 10:05:28 AM
If you're using your logo as the only defining image on a self titled album cover, at least stick to the same one you've identified yourself by for your entire career.
How is this new logo not still the same defining image associated with the band? When you look at it, do you not instantly know it's the Majesty Symbol? It's a little flat and the tails are a little different...so what? The way you describe it blow it out of proportion makes it sound like the logo is completely unrecognisable as the Majesty Symbol. It most certainly is not. It's the same logo no matter what tiny insignificant flaws you find with it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 10:05:37 AM
Had the logo been placed with a better perspective that would have been mistaken for the true art any day of the week!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: unklejman on July 09, 2013, 10:06:28 AM
Please tell me that wonky picture is not the album cover. It looks like fan art, and that Majesty logo is so off shape.


Sure, it's not the original Magesty logo. But if you ask me, that one always looked "off shape", and sloppy. This looks like a much more balanced and polished version of it shape wise. HOWEVER, the bevel effect looks really bad, especially around concave corners... Oy.

The rest of the cover is pretty meh.  It's like they wanted to add a lens flare without really adding one.  And the earth looks really flat and not very dynamic. 

It's not a bad layout, but the details are really underwhelming.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Moor on July 09, 2013, 10:06:36 AM
There is a tribute for IT people since Illumination Theory will be abbreviated through out the years by IT  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Rattlehead on July 09, 2013, 10:06:46 AM
I'm not too crazy about the cover, but it doesn't make me any less excited to hear the album  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: obscure on July 09, 2013, 10:07:38 AM
Damn.. I was keeping my cool.....

this looks pretty sweet.. the cover art and the titles.. all tell me that this will be a very very crazy ambitious album!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tom Bombadil on July 09, 2013, 10:07:47 AM
Love the album art, reminds me a little of Awake. Also love that they said "more concise songs". DT has a tendency to drag out really good songs (Endless Sacrifice, Outcry, etc.) so I'm glad to hear that it will be more short and to the point on this album. Tracklist also sounds pretty cool.

Couldn't be more excited right now!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 09, 2013, 10:07:57 AM
Anyone else find it a coincidence that their cover is outworldy especially the song titles, and comet ISON is supposed to arrive around that time.  Pretty awesome coincidence if I say so myself. I mean Enigma Machine, The Bigger Picture, Illumination Theory. Sounds like a 6DOIT type of concept.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 09, 2013, 10:09:09 AM
That isn't official isn't it? It is?
https://www.facebook.com/eddyartdesign
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 09, 2013, 10:09:33 AM
I agree, the song titles are pretentious,

Remind me of Awake.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 10:10:07 AM
If you're using your logo as the only defining image on a self titled album cover, at least stick to the same one you've identified yourself by for your entire career.
How is this new logo not still the same defining image associated with the band? When you look at it, do you not instantly know it's the Majesty Symbol? It's a little flat and the tails are a little different...so what? The way you describe it blow it out of proportion makes it sound like the logo is completely unrecognisable as the Majesty Symbol. It most certainly is not. It's the same logo no matter what tiny insignificant flaws you find with it.

They're not tiny insignificant flaws to me. Considering graphics is what I do for a living, and that I've had to correct the incorrect font on official products, it's something I take seriously. I have an eye for detail, and these things matter to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 09, 2013, 10:11:01 AM
That isn't official isn't it? It is?

The tacked on Majesty logo (which doesn't match the one on the cover) says no.

But it is the correct majesty logo!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 09, 2013, 10:11:24 AM
I'm not sure how the logos are different.

Can anyone do a quick sideby side comparison?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Setebos on July 09, 2013, 10:13:45 AM
Like the track titles very much. :metal
Like the concept of the cover art, but not the execution (earth looks kinda low-res and the transition from light to dark dark to light light to dark dark to light is rather awkward). But still better than ADTOE. ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Rattlehead on July 09, 2013, 10:13:52 AM
If you're using your logo as the only defining image on a self titled album cover, at least stick to the same one you've identified yourself by for your entire career.
How is this new logo not still the same defining image associated with the band? When you look at it, do you not instantly know it's the Majesty Symbol? It's a little flat and the tails are a little different...so what? The way you describe it blow it out of proportion makes it sound like the logo is completely unrecognisable as the Majesty Symbol. It most certainly is not. It's the same logo no matter what tiny insignificant flaws you find with it.

They're not tiny insignificant flaws to me. Considering graphics is what I do for a living, and that I've had to correct the incorrect font on official products, it's something I take seriously. I have an eye for detail, and these things matter to me.

I agree... I wouldn't exactly call the flaws insignificant either; it makes the logo look kind of corny in my opinion.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 10:14:23 AM
I'm not sure how the logos are different.

Can anyone do a quick sideby side comparison?

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)

Also note that the planet image just cuts off. I brightened the image so you'd see the shape of the Majesty logo on the cover better and noticed that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 10:14:40 AM
Maybe "Dream Theater" will be on a sticker on the jewel case like with Death Magnetic
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 09, 2013, 10:15:04 AM
Like the track titles very much. :metal
Like the concept of the cover art, but not the execution (earth looks kinda low-res and the transition from light to dark dark to light light to dark dark to light is rather awkward). But still better than ADTOE. ;D

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jdprsaga on July 09, 2013, 10:15:23 AM
My first thought about the titles was exactly that.. Awake vibe.

now that I saw the majesty logo reflection with more attention it gave me a sensation like it was taken out from the lie music video (off course it's the brooklyn bridge, but my mind made the link)

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: N4Player on July 09, 2013, 10:16:58 AM
I like the bold statement the band is making with the self titled release. Cover art could have been more creative, but what's inside the album matters most,  obviously. Cannot wait to hear it, and the hint of an epic with "Illumination Theory" has me the most excited.  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LCArenas on July 09, 2013, 10:21:19 AM
I like the older logo but to be honest I don't dislike the new one either. And I'm far more interested in the tracklist.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jingle.boy on July 09, 2013, 10:21:41 AM
hhhmmmm... not even 2 pages before the nitpicking begins.  It's a very simple cover.  I like it, and for the average fan, the differences in the logo aren't going to be noticed.  Frankly, IMO change is good.  It's not the same band as when the "original" logo was developed, so why shouldn't the logo evolve along with the band?  Cleaner, more refined, polished.  That's what I see.

Just my opinion.

Love the song titles too.

Like every new release, I'm very excited to have a listen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: liran95 on July 09, 2013, 10:26:17 AM
OMGOMGOMGOMG.


I just want to refer to this album as "The Metallic Album".
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 10:26:41 AM
hhhmmmm... not even 2 pages before the nitpicking begins.  It's a very simple cover.  I like it, and for the average fan, the differences in the logo aren't going to be noticed.  Frankly, IMO change is good.  It's not the same band as when the "original" logo was developed, so why shouldn't the logo evolve along with the band?  Cleaner, more refined, polished.  That's what I see.

Just my opinion.

Love the song titles too.

Like every new release, I'm very excited to have a listen.

Exactly. :tup

I wonder how long until we get a single?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LCArenas on July 09, 2013, 10:27:54 AM
I'm trying not to get too hyped on this. Do you think there's a chance that the songs will be more simple or, say, commercial since it's their S/T? That would turn me a bit off
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheAtliator on July 09, 2013, 10:28:56 AM
I notice that since it has 9 tracks, it breaks the album track symmetry some people thought they had going.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mocool13 on July 09, 2013, 10:30:11 AM
My first impressions:

Cool cover, reminiscent of Dark Side of the Moon. I just hope that because the cover is dark that all the music and the album will be too "metul"


Also looks like the Brooklyn Bridge is on/in the logo

Abstract/proggy/partly pretentious album tracks, very intriguing and not typical of DT imo. I can see a faint hinting of a concept/thematic album

I love a suite opening up the album, seems like a 3 in one song

Looking forward to the 20 min epic with Mangini at the helm
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 09, 2013, 10:30:21 AM
I still can't shake off the coincidence of the artwork and song titles relating to the Awakening of our human consciousness, and comet ISON. It's too parallel for me to ignore, especially the artwork of the light behind the Earth, I see it as comet ISON.

But, I am excited and am pumped to hear just how amazing this will sound. I don't ever put expectations on new releases, but I feel this is gonna be plain amazing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 10:30:43 AM
I'm trying not to get too hyped on this. Do you think there's a chance that the songs will be more simple or, say, commercial since it's their S/T? That would turn me a bit off

One of the songs is reportedly 20 minutes, so I don't think we have to worry.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Super Dude on July 09, 2013, 10:30:50 AM
Uber-prog.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: liran95 on July 09, 2013, 10:31:28 AM
I'm trying not to get too hyped on this. Do you think there's a chance that the songs will be more simple or, say, commercial since it's their S/T? That would turn me a bit off

Maybe one or two.
They need to make this album-one-song that can really sell the album to the general public.
But I really think this album will be awesome :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 10:31:36 AM
I'm trying not to get too hyped on this. Do you think there's a chance that the songs will be more simple or, say, commercial since it's their S/T? That would turn me a bit off

One of the songs is reportedly 20 minutes, so I don't think we have to worry.

Also, it's Dream Theater, so I don't think we have to worry.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: liran95 on July 09, 2013, 10:32:53 AM
I'm trying not to get too hyped on this. Do you think there's a chance that the songs will be more simple or, say, commercial since it's their S/T? That would turn me a bit off

One of the songs is reportedly 20 minutes, so I don't think we have to worry.

Also, it's Dream Theater, so I don't think we have to worry.

This.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 09, 2013, 10:33:04 AM
Boy, you DT fans sure are...errmmmm..."detail-oriented"...!  ;)

Jus' listen to tha music!!!  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: obscure on July 09, 2013, 10:33:48 AM
When I first signed up here it was my understanding - or maybe hope, I should say...  that this place would be where Dream Theater got a lot of love and praise. I quickly came to understand that I was wrong  :lol

I mean, come on guys.... the album is not even out....  feels a lot of nitpicking to me...   :)

and we know DT has a good track record of releasing "complete experiences" ... we could maybe wait for the album to come out and see how the artwork relates to the concept...

OMG.. did I just say concept?  :omg:


inb4 I get told off by Blob  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 09, 2013, 10:37:26 AM
My thoughts on the tracklist:

1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE (John Petrucci)
i. Sleep Paralysis
ii. Night Terrors
iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE (John Petrucci)
3. THE LOOKING GLASS (James LaBrie)
4. ENIGMA MACHINE (Instrumental)
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE (John Petrucci)
6. BEHIND THE VEIL (John Petrucci)
7. SURRENDER TO REASON (James LaBrie)
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE (John Petrucci)
9. ILLUMINATION THEORYi. Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire (John Petrucci)
ii. Live, Die, Kill (John Petrucci)
iii. The Embracing Circle (John Myung)
iv. The Pursuit of Truth (John Myung)
v. Surrender, Trust & Passion (John Petrucci)

I have the feeling that we'll have an album kinda like Awake+SDOIT. The art looks awesome, and it has the same dark vibe from Awake. The song names seems very dark too, but something in it reminded me of SDOIT.
Anyway, I'm still expecting to hear something from the new album!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 09, 2013, 10:37:57 AM
I am soooo excited for this album!

Love the track listing, as everyone said, those titles are some serious prog!

Don't like the album cover, I thought they would've come up with something more 'detailed' for lack of a better word. It should have the DT logo on it, like all the others. But I'm sure I'll get used to it and warm up to it fast.

This album is gonna be EPIC!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 09, 2013, 10:38:37 AM
I'm not sure how the logos are different.

Can anyone do a quick sideby side comparison?

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)

Also note that the planet image just cuts off. I brightened the image so you'd see the shape of the Majesty logo on the cover better and noticed that.

Now I can't unsee Earth cutting off. Damn, why would they not look this over a bit more?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 09, 2013, 10:38:37 AM
It's blatantly evident how influential MP was when it came to album and song titles. Since his departure the titles are of a very different logic. I would never bitch about that, but these are the kind of titles I would 've come up with (not a good thing ;D)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 09, 2013, 10:38:58 AM
One of the songs is reportedly 20 minutes, so I don't think we have to worry.

Considering that we're opening with a 3 part suite, and ending with a 5 movement song... I'm pretty sure we'll get our proggyness out of this album.

If they did try to make the songs more radio friendly, I'm sure that'd equate to being more melodic and technical, and less balls to the wall heavy, and personally, I wouldn't be against that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 09, 2013, 10:40:10 AM
Also, could we merge the two threads? The topic is the very same...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 10:42:55 AM
Now I can't unsee Earth cutting off. Damn, why would they not look this over a bit more?

On my monitor it doesn't show up until I brighten it in Photoshop, so I doubt anyone else would have noticed, and hopefully it shouldn't be noticeable in print.
On the ADTOE cover there was a complaint that the rope didn't go all the way to the edge of the image, but I'm pretty sure that didn't appear on the printed cover, so keep in mind it's a different output to the final physical album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 10:43:32 AM
When I first signed up here it was my understanding - or maybe hope, I should say...  that this place would be where Dream Theater got a lot of love and praise. I quickly came to understand that I was wrong  :lol

I mean, come on guys.... the album is not even out....  feels a lot of nitpicking to me...   :)

and we know DT has a good track record of releasing "complete experiences" ... we could maybe wait for the album to come out and see how the artwork relates to the concept...

OMG.. did I just say concept?  :omg:


inb4 I get told off by Blob  :P

(https://25.media.tumblr.com/f3c94163c0c3b46e614734170d41d3ed/tumblr_mp0mgqb8i41spwno4o1_400.gif)

Seriously, I'm surprised that such a simple change as the updated Majesty logo got such a nit picky response from some people. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Moor on July 09, 2013, 10:43:43 AM
Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
I smell some astrology
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Letter M on July 09, 2013, 10:44:13 AM
Wow... I slept in today and woke up to this thread being BLOWN UP. Nice :tup

Alrighty...well the artwork is pretty good. Not too complicated or pretentious (the track names do that already  :lol ). It's a subtle statement - here's Dream Theater, we're here to take over the planet, and there's nothing you can do about it.

The track list looks good. Interesting and unique names, a slight continuation of ADTOE (which had good titles like "Bridges In The Sky" and "Breaking All Illusions"). My favorites have to be "Enigma Machine", "Behind The Veil" and "Illumination Theory".

Also, abbreviations for future use:
FAS
TEI
TLG
EM
TBP
BTV
STR
AFTR
IT

Doesn't look like there are any over-laps with older song titles' abbreviations, so we're good for this album! :tup

As for "False Awakening Suite" being "Opening/YARGGG", it's not entirely unlikely. Just because the opening was written last doesn't mean it was going to be a shorter song. I can see it being a 7-10 minute track in 3 parts. Remember that "The Killing Hand" is only about 9 minutes long and is FIVE parts, so I think a 7-10 minute track in 3 would be doable, but the progress chart noted that "YARGGG" would not have lyrics, so it is curious if the whole song is "YARGGG"/instrumental or if it's just the first part ("Sleep Paralysis") that will have no lyrics... guess time will tell.

It also looks like they kept the working title of "Along For The Ride" and that "Epic" turned out to be "Illumination Theory" (great title, interesting movement names too). The instrumental could be either "Enigma Machine" or "Behind The Veil", I think, but the former more likely. It just sounds like it'll be a musically complicated song, perfect for an instrumental featuring Mangini and his intense drumming.

As for it being a concept album...well, it's possible there could be themes and ideas carried throughout the whole album, just by looking at the titles. We have "Surrender To Reason" and then "Surrender, Trust & Passion" in the end of "Illumination Theory". Also titles like "The Looking Glass" and "Behind The Veil" seem to suggest songs about things being hidden from truth (or being light...illumination?), a word used twice in the movement titles of the last song. "The Enemy Inside" suggests there's a song about something within, again an idea of something hidden (possibly from the truth, or from being revealed). "The Bigger Picture" could be relating everything to how it all works together, taking a look at how everything fits, like parts of a machine (an Enigma Machine?). The opening suite is interesting, though, and perhaps sets the tooooooone for the whole album, and the titles seem to indicate that perhaps this all occurs during a dream, that these ideas and thoughts happen as one sleeps, and they wake up when the last song comes around.

This is going to be a good album, I have a really good feeling about this!

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 09, 2013, 10:45:18 AM
Now I can't unsee Earth cutting off. Damn, why would they not look this over a bit more?

On my monitor it doesn't show up until I brighten it in Photoshop, so I doubt anyone else would have noticed, and hopefully it shouldn't be noticeable in print.
On the ADTOE cover there was a complaint that the rope didn't go all the way to the edge of the image, but I'm pretty sure that didn't appear on the printed cover, so keep in mind it's a different output to the final physical album.

I can see it without brightening it, but probably wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't said anything.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: OsMosis2259 on July 09, 2013, 10:45:53 AM
When I first signed up here it was my understanding - or maybe hope, I should say...  that this place would be where Dream Theater got a lot of love and praise. I quickly came to understand that I was wrong  :lol

I mean, come on guys.... the album is not even out....  feels a lot of nitpicking to me...   :)

and we know DT has a good track record of releasing "complete experiences" ... we could maybe wait for the album to come out and see how the artwork relates to the concept...

OMG.. did I just say concept?  :omg:


inb4 I get told off by Blob  :P

Agreeeeed  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JoeG on July 09, 2013, 10:46:43 AM
I'm guessing that Opening/YAAARG is either Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire or Sleep Paralysis, and serves as an instrumental overture for Illumination Theory or the False Awakening Suite, respectively, rather than the whole album, and that Easter Egg became its own track.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 09, 2013, 10:47:45 AM
Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
I smell some astrology
I'm guessing that part is gonna be the instrumental intro to that track.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Sycsa on July 09, 2013, 10:49:06 AM
Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
I smell some astrology
What does that have to do with horoscopes?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Marion Crane on July 09, 2013, 10:49:24 AM
Any predictions on ballads?  I would guess atleast one, best guess being The Looking Glass
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 09, 2013, 10:50:51 AM
I think the cover looks fantastic. I'm not going to complain about the differences in the logo, because I've never looked at the logo close enough for this to bother me now. It's simple, classy, and direct.

As for the tracklist, I'm very excited. The two epics both have me quite intrigued, and I'm especially looking forward to the lyrics in the latter. The only one I'm having a lukewarm response to is  Surrender to Reason. It feels... meh
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 09, 2013, 10:52:36 AM
I can now see the planet cutting off as well. It looks like a shadow, but it's too distinct and you can tell it's just the picture ending. My monitor is probably duller than most, since the brightness tends to bother my eyes.

I think it's obvious at this point that Syme has strugged with keeping up with the high definition aspect of modern digital art. If he made any of his classic album covers today, I'm sure many flaws would be much more obvious in high res than they had been previously.

That said, I have no big issues with the album art. It takes the simplicity of ADTOE, and takes out the clown while setting the tone for some darker moods. It looks fine by me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kingshmegland on July 09, 2013, 10:53:08 AM
I just Mangini'd.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Sycsa on July 09, 2013, 10:53:17 AM
The titles really pumped me up, reminiscent of the '70s prog that I love oh so well. The cover is great, but what's with the black line on the left?

I just want to refer to this album as "The Metallic Album".
That definitely won't catch on. Dark album has a better chance because of its looks and the Dark Side of the Moon connection (milestone prog album, no text on the cover) and then we could make Spinal Tap jokes about it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 10:54:05 AM
I think the cover looks fantastic. I'm not going to complain about the differences in the logo, because I've never looked at the logo close enough for this to bother me now. It's simple, classy, and direct.

As for the tracklist, I'm very excited. The two epics both have me quite intrigued, and I'm especially looking forward to the lyrics in the latter. The only one I'm having a lukewarm response to is  Surrender to Reason. It feels... meh

Are you assuming that the two songs that have sections are epics? Because several DT songs have sections like that, and aren't considered epics, like TOT, every song of the 12SS etc. It does imply a somewhat longer song, but not necessarily an epic in the sense that we use it on DTF.

I was kind of hoping for more along the lines of suites and the like, so I'm excited for that whatever it is.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Nel on July 09, 2013, 10:54:34 AM
Not liking the cover art. Put the damn band name on there. I wouldn't mind the Majesty logo if it didn't look like a melty chrome mess.

Very interesting track list though. Still excited.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: robwebster on July 09, 2013, 10:56:16 AM
Nice cover and 2 epic? :omg: Instaboner!!!
Doubt it - if I had to guess, I think False Awakening thingybob is probably the Intro track.

Not convinced by the cover, but the track titles, though far more... lavish than DT's usual stuff, are incredibly intriguing for exactly that reason. Seriously, Dream Theater have a song called "Paradox de la Lumiere Noire?!" They're usually so literal! Brilliantly weird. I can't wait.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: erik16 on July 09, 2013, 10:56:58 AM
The Majesty symbol seems to just have been reworked. Whatever the reason, I'm much more pumped at the song names! They seem to be having a unified theme to them. Very dreamy, or dare I say Dream Theateryyy?  ;D

Also the song names somehow remind me of Haken's Visions. A somewhat similar mood, but it is probably unintentional.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 09, 2013, 10:58:17 AM
I think the cover looks fantastic. I'm not going to complain about the differences in the logo, because I've never looked at the logo close enough for this to bother me now. It's simple, classy, and direct.

As for the tracklist, I'm very excited. The two epics both have me quite intrigued, and I'm especially looking forward to the lyrics in the latter. The only one I'm having a lukewarm response to is  Surrender to Reason. It feels... meh

Are you assuming that the two songs that have sections are epics? Because several DT songs have sections like that, and aren't considered epics, like TOT, every song of the 12SS etc. It does imply a somewhat longer song, but not necessarily an epic in the sense that we use it on DTF.

I was kind of hoping for more along the lines of suites and the like, so I'm excited for that whatever it is.

Yeah, I should have specified. I don't mean epic in the sense of ACOS and 8varium. More along the lines of Trial of Tears, which I still consider to be an epic (in sound, if not in length). I'll be ecstatic if the opening track is on par with Trial of Tears.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 09, 2013, 11:01:06 AM
Of course, the FAS might not be an epic at all. But those three sections certainly have me thinking something in the 9-15 minute range.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 09, 2013, 11:01:18 AM
I think the cover looks fantastic. I'm not going to complain about the differences in the logo, because I've never looked at the logo close enough for this to bother me now. It's simple, classy, and direct.

As for the tracklist, I'm very excited. The two epics both have me quite intrigued, and I'm especially looking forward to the lyrics in the latter. The only one I'm having a lukewarm response to is  Surrender to Reason. It feels... meh

Are you assuming that the two songs that have sections are epics? Because several DT songs have sections like that, and aren't considered epics, like TOT, every song of the 12SS etc. It does imply a somewhat longer song, but not necessarily an epic in the sense that we use it on DTF.

I was kind of hoping for more along the lines of suites and the like, so I'm excited for that whatever it is.

Yeah, I should have specified. I don't mean epic in the sense of ACOS and 8varium. More along the lines of Trial of Tears, which I still consider to be an epic (in sound, if not in length). I'll be ecstatic if the opening track is on par with Trial of Tears.

You wouldn't think a suite could be all too short, right? This tracklist has me scratching my head, in the best possible way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mocool13 on July 09, 2013, 11:04:16 AM
Why are people upset by not having "Dream Theater" on the cover? I love the minimalist cover and having the name would clutter the artwork. If you want to see their name you're gonna have to look on the side of the CD case, sorry.

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 11:06:15 AM
D = 4
T = 20
   = 24

DTDT = 48
8 + 4 = 12.


All makes sense now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2013, 11:06:22 AM
I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album...  Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 11:07:41 AM
Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox
I smell some astrology
woah Olber's paradox is freakin' awesome! XD
Why are people upset by not having "Dream Theater" on the cover? I love the minimalist cover and having the name would clutter the artwork. If you want to see their name you're gonna have to look on the side of the CD case, sorry.
OK. With this particular album art, if their name was on the cover it would look hella cheezy. The logo was a good choice, I hoped they would do it, and i'm glad they actually went for it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 09, 2013, 11:08:58 AM
My first thought about the titles was exactly that.. Awake vibe.

After all, what's another name for "The Looking Glass"?  ;D

Why are people upset by not having "Dream Theater" on the cover? I love the minimalist cover and having the name would clutter the artwork.

I agree. I like that there's no band name on the cover. I'm sure people who are interested in this album will know what it is. Especially since music stores tend to put a tab for each band. So it's not like people are gonna go, "Gee, I don't know what band this is, so I'm not gonna buy it." If anything, the mysterious nature of the cover might be intriguing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dream Team on July 09, 2013, 11:09:07 AM
Any predictions on ballads?  I would guess atleast one, best guess being The Looking Glass

All tracks have electric guitar, but I guess that doesn't rule out "ballad" in some sense.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 09, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album...  Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
...or the songs between the epics could be short ;) If it was a double album, I bet it would've been mentioned in the press release, or at least there would've been tracklists for two discs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 425 on July 09, 2013, 11:10:39 AM
I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album...  Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.

"The nine-track disc was recorded..."

I think there's no chance of that now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 09, 2013, 11:11:31 AM
I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album...  Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
I would think that they'd announce that by now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 09, 2013, 11:11:42 AM
I predict that The Looking Glass will feature the words:

Alice, Cheshire, grin, hearts..

Possibly Tweedledum or Tweedledee  :laugh:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Frank on July 09, 2013, 11:11:53 AM
Looks like Syme to me, aside from not knowing why he'd up end with a different logo. Swap out the correct logo, and I think it's the best album cover since ToT. As it is though, it bugs me enough that I don't even like looking at it.

Blob, thanks for your help in detailing your problems with the logo design. Your picture was especially extremely helpful.

That being said, what are you going to do when DT comes to you and asks you to do graphics for them again? Would you express these opinions to them and design your graphics the way you think they should be done, the "official" art be damned? Especially given that you apparently don't even like looking at it!

And I've always been curious why DT doesn't just turn to you by default. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 11:12:54 AM
Why are people upset by not having "Dream Theater" on the cover? I love the minimalist cover and having the name would clutter the artwork. If you want to see their name you're gonna have to look on the side of the CD case, sorry.

This. Also, I think it's actually rather terrific to see a self-titled album that doesn't include the band name on the album cover.

The band is really making some rather bold statements with this album. From the decision to make the album a self-titled release, to the more lavish and mystical song titles, to the minimalist styled art cover, to opening the album with a suite?

I'm getting a really strong 'prog' vibe from this announcement, and I couldn't be more excited. :metal :tup

I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album...  Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.

Highly unlikely. According to that Roadrunner podcast someone else linked earlier, there's going to be songs on this album that are under five minutes long (and confirmed a twenty minute long epic).

I actually have a feeling this album might even end up being under an hour long. :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 11:13:50 AM
The instrumental song could be a short segue between two other tracks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 09, 2013, 11:14:15 AM
I hope theres one solid ballad, and that they leave it at that. ADTOE had too many, IMO.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 11:15:18 AM
I think the cover looks fantastic. I'm not going to complain about the differences in the logo, because I've never looked at the logo close enough for this to bother me now. It's simple, classy, and direct.

As for the tracklist, I'm very excited. The two epics both have me quite intrigued, and I'm especially looking forward to the lyrics in the latter. The only one I'm having a lukewarm response to is  Surrender to Reason. It feels... meh

Are you assuming that the two songs that have sections are epics? Because several DT songs have sections like that, and aren't considered epics, like TOT, every song of the 12SS etc. It does imply a somewhat longer song, but not necessarily an epic in the sense that we use it on DTF.

I was kind of hoping for more along the lines of suites and the like, so I'm excited for that whatever it is.

Yeah, I should have specified. I don't mean epic in the sense of ACOS and 8varium. More along the lines of Trial of Tears, which I still consider to be an epic (in sound, if not in length). I'll be ecstatic if the opening track is on par with Trial of Tears.

You wouldn't think a suite could be all too short, right? This tracklist has me scratching my head, in the best possible way.

That's my favorite thing about prog rock/metal. :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Sketchy on July 09, 2013, 11:15:53 AM
My assessment is that the tracklist looks shiny.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 11:16:39 AM
I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album...  Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.

If two songs are 20 mins. That leaves 7 at around 5 mins. That still adds up to 75
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: robwebster on July 09, 2013, 11:17:08 AM
Here are all my thoughts. By Rob. Age 23 and a half.

First off - not sold on the cover, but I can see it growing on me. I like the minimalism, and it's very classy, but there's no new imagery. I found that a little depressing when the title was unveiled (I think the phrase I used at the time was "The title is... there is no title!!" and I find the cover art underwhelming in a similar way, but I think a bit of that is because I got my hopes up.

Fortunately, the song titles more than make up for the disappointing lack of imagery between the cover and the album title. Crikey, they're interesting. A far, far cry from the generally-quite-literal titles Dream Theater usually use. Some of them sound rather more Musey (good thing in my book) - and, gratuitous French?! Mad. This is not the tracklist I was expecting, but it's a tracklist I'm very very happy with.

I didn't expect myself to be excited by songs packed with ordinal sections, or what is clearly an over-twenty minute epic, (confirmed by the RoadRunner podcast, ladies and gents!) but here I am, genuinely galvanised. I have a good feeling about Illumination Theory. I think it's going to be a little less ItPoE and Count of Tuscany, a little more Octavarium - got a hunch it might be a top-tier epic, rather than a pseudo-epic.

That said, if I was surprised to be happy about epics, it's also fair to say I'm happy to be surprised by songs under five minutes. It's the news I never dared hope for. I think Dream Theater would make some killer four-minuters. I really dig that concise, laser-focused approach to songwriting, and I cannot wait to hear DT pull it off.

I am excited. This feels special.

Other minutiae: I think False Awakening Suite is probably "Intro" from the whiteboard. Illumination Theory is almost definitely the epic. No idea on the others, but I'd like to think The Enemy Inside is Bad Larry. Just so's we have a name for the enemy.

Lyricists... I'll try and figure out later.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 09, 2013, 11:17:10 AM
Alright people, how about favorite track name?

I really like the sound of Behind the Veil
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 11:18:22 AM
Alright people, how about favorite track name?

I really like the sound of Behind the Veil

Enigma Machine or Illumination Theory :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 09, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
When will we get the track lengths?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Phoenix87x on July 09, 2013, 11:20:04 AM
Cool cover. Sleek and simple, just the way I like it.

Now bring on the snippets!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 09, 2013, 11:20:37 AM
The False Awakening Suite sounds like it could be an instrumental. Like they were creating their title track on the title CD, and decided to get more creative.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 09, 2013, 11:20:46 AM
I am not at all bothered that they changed the logo. I mean, it's their fucking logo, they have the right to change it.

My thoughts on this can be summed up as:
My assessment is that the tracklist looks shiny.
and that's all there is to it :lol honestly, it does look really prog and DSOTMish, but that still doesn't tell me one god damned thing about the music, and if they went for the unexpected with the music as well as they did with the titles (these are really not "regular" 00's/10's DT titles), that's all the more reasons for me not to bust my brain over these.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 09, 2013, 11:21:17 AM
Alright people, how about favorite track name?

I really like the sound of Behind the Veil

Enigma Machine or Illumination Theory :metal

That one sounds heavy to me
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: robwebster on July 09, 2013, 11:21:44 AM
I am not at all bothered that they changed the logo. I mean, it's their fucking logo, they have the right to change it.
Word. Loads of logos go through multiple stylistic iterations. Change is good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Sketchy on July 09, 2013, 11:23:11 AM
I wonder if they just announce speculative things in need of minor tweaks to see how many people here pick up on planets not being complete. Either way, this press release has me excited, and I like the look of the multipart suites.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 09, 2013, 11:23:21 AM
When I first signed up here it was my understanding - or maybe hope, I should say...  that this place would be where Dream Theater got a lot of love and praise. I quickly came to understand that I was wrong  :lol

I mean, come on guys.... the album is not even out....  feels a lot of nitpicking to me...   :)

and we know DT has a good track record of releasing "complete experiences" ... we could maybe wait for the album to come out and see how the artwork relates to the concept...

OMG.. did I just say concept?  :omg:


inb4 I get told off by Blob  :P

Agreeeeed  :metal


(https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/images/smilies/bravo.gif)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 11:23:33 AM
The music will be the paint. your ears and mind will be the canvas. ergo who gives a shit about the cover?  :lol
I'm guessing one of the sections in the suite will be instrumental noodliness ala itpoe pt2/8vm/overture 1928. same with one of the sections in the illumination theory. With the exception of the track that is entirely instrumental, the rest will be just beautiful songwriting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dream Team on July 09, 2013, 11:23:42 AM
I guess I'm one of the few who didn't mind the purple motif, but I'm not one to get too worked up about it either way. They could put a close-up of an elephant's anus on the cover and I wouldn't care as long as the music was good. Speaking of which, I'm REALLY looking forward to hearing this. I hope they gave James some great vocal melodies to work with.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DreamerTV on July 09, 2013, 11:23:56 AM
Really digging the tracklist. As for the artwork, it fits the idea of a self-named album: here we are, telling who we are to the world (i'd like to remind them that if you want the world to recognise who you are, to tell your name could be an help). Anyway, excited as before.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 09, 2013, 11:26:32 AM
^^^Yes, already!!!  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 09, 2013, 11:27:56 AM
I guess I'm one of the few who didn't mind the purple motif, but I'm not one to get too worked up about it either way. They could put a close-up of an elephant's anus on the cover and I wouldn't care as long as the music was good. Speaking of which, I'm REALLY looking forward to hearing this. I hope they gave James some great vocal melodies to work with.

Maybe that's what we're staring at and not the Earth  :o
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: robwebster on July 09, 2013, 11:30:30 AM
Right, let's place bets - who's gonna be the first to propose a really fucking hokey theory that this is all an autobiographical concept album covering the first twenty years of Dream Theater's career?

Time's up, it's me!! The Enemy Inside is about David Prater cursing Images and Words with its triggered snares, the Looking Glass is Awake, and how could Illumination Theory be about anything other than the Octavarium subforum?

The music will be the paint. your ears and mind will be the canvas. ergo who gives a shit about the cover?
Me, I increasingly think it's lovely.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 11:33:45 AM
Right, let's place bets - who's gonna be the first to propose a really fucking hokey theory that this is all an autobiographical concept album covering the first twenty years of Dream Theater's career?

Time's up, it's me!! The Enemy Inside is about David Prater cursing Images and Words with its triggered snares, the Looking Glass is Awake, and how could Illumination Theory be about anything other than the Octavarium subforum?



It's a concept about Kevin Moore. He secretly re-joined the band and wrote the entire album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lucidity on July 09, 2013, 11:36:02 AM
I love this album cover. It's exactly what I was hoping it would be, and it's the first nice, simple cover since Six Degrees. And the titles seem slightly out of character, but in a good way... It'll be interesting to see how the multi-part songs end up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 09, 2013, 11:36:42 AM
The idea of KevMo writing songs with titles like Illumination Theory and Enigma Machine at this point in his career makes me chuckle :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 11:37:24 AM
He did it so no one would know.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 09, 2013, 11:37:48 AM
The idea of KevMo writing songs with titles like Illumination Theory and Enigma Machine at this point in his career makes me chuckle :lol
Ditto :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Podaar on July 09, 2013, 11:40:34 AM
It seems possible to me that there is a theme of 'Theater of the Mind/Dream' with these titles but I wouldn't be at all surprised if that doesn't pan out.

I think the cover is fine and I note that there is enough room at the bottom to add the band name at printing time or emboss the band's logo, which I think would be very cool.

I prefer the new logo over the old and agree with MoraWintersoul and Sir Webster that the band has every right (if not obligation) to change the logo over time.

I'm really looking forward to hearing the album and hope to get snippets during the next two months!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2013, 11:41:43 AM
So...maybe we won't have a "light" forum theme this album cycle.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 09, 2013, 11:42:39 AM
The idea of KevMo writing songs with titles like Illumination Theory and Enigma Machine at this point in his career makes me chuckle :lol
Ditto :lol
Actually the thought of him writing songs like those at any point is funny :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 11:44:35 AM
So...maybe we won't have a "light" forum theme this album cycle.  :lol

:lol Well, there could certainly be a light theme in regards to the titles of the subforums and other details! :lol

It would appear that Black is the new Black. ;) :lol :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lolzeez on July 09, 2013, 11:48:41 AM
1.I don't like the cover. Just putting that out there.
2.The song titles sound pretty fake. But they are not. It really sounds more badass this way though.
3.Illumination Theory is gonna be fucking awesome with JMX lyrics.

Overall:Even though the cover looks lame to me,I feel like this is gonna be a *sigh* top 3 DT release. I voted Top 5 in the poll but then I remembered that ADTOE IS in my top 5. So,now that Mangini is in full force,they can do something Top 3 worthy. And even ALBUM OF DA YEAR!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 11:52:08 AM
The idea of KevMo writing songs with titles like Illumination Theory and Enigma Machine at this point in his career makes me chuckle :lol
Ditto :lol
Actually the thought of him writing songs like those at any point is funny :D

Live, Die, Kill (Now Watch What Happens)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 11:52:36 AM
Hey guys! First time actually posting, but I've been lurking since the Roadrunner incident last thread! Glad to be aboard now!  :yarr

Regarding the album cover, I personally think it fucking rocks. I think it's sharp and visually striking. It also looks extremely different from their other covers, which kind of ties back to the whole "we're reinventing ourselves" theme that seems to be recurring here.

As for the titles, I think they're fantastic! I've been crossing my fingers for a concept/theme album for a while now. SDOIT is the first DT album I listened to so I have a soft spot for those kinds of albums. Can't wait to hear what these will sound like. SEPTEMBER, Y U NO HERE?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Frank on July 09, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
They could put a close-up of an elephant's anus on the cover

Could somebody please do this?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 09, 2013, 11:54:41 AM
Hey guys! First time actually posting, but I've been lurking since the Roadrunner incident last thread! Glad to be aboard now!  :yarr

Regarding the album cover, I personally think it fucking rocks. I think it's sharp and visually striking. It also looks extremely different from their other covers, which kind of ties back to the whole "we're reinventing ourselves" theme that seems to be recurring here.

As for the titles, I think they're fantastic! I've been crossing my fingers for a concept/theme album for a while now. SDOIT is the first DT album I listened to so I have a soft spot for those kinds of albums. Can't wait to hear what these will sound like. SEPTEMBER, Y U NO HERE?

I agree with all you just said and welcome to the forums!  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album speculation and discussion thread
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 09, 2013, 11:55:37 AM
I prefer the new logo over the old and agree with MoraWintersoul and Sir Webster that the band has every right (if not obligation) to change the logo over time.
And it's not like it changed, really. It's just been redesigned. I mean, it's not like the logo itself is different. It's just designed in a different style. People aren't going to look at it and go, "That's not the DT logo. Must be some other band."[/quote]
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lithium112 on July 09, 2013, 11:57:54 AM
Is anyone else a bit put off by this phrase?

Quote from: Dream Theater
We’ve fully explored all of the elements that make us unique

It seems odd for a musician to claim that they've "fully" explored something. Where is there to go from there?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 09, 2013, 11:58:06 AM
Hey guys! First time actually posting, but I've been lurking since the Roadrunner incident last thread! Glad to be aboard now!  :yarr

Regarding the album cover, I personally think it fucking rocks. I think it's sharp and visually striking. It also looks extremely different from their other covers, which kind of ties back to the whole "we're reinventing ourselves" theme that seems to be recurring here.

As for the titles, I think they're fantastic! I've been crossing my fingers for a concept/theme album for a while now. SDOIT is the first DT album I listened to so I have a soft spot for those kinds of albums. Can't wait to hear what these will sound like. SEPTEMBER, Y U NO HERE?
:welcome:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2013, 11:59:26 AM
I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album...  Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
...or the songs between the epics could be short ;) If it was a double album, I bet it would've been mentioned in the press release, or at least there would've been tracklists for two discs.

You never know.  When we got the tracklisting for Scenes, there was nothing said about it being a concept album or Metropolis Part II, so the band is no stranger to keeping some things secret until the last minute.  I think it would be neat if it was a double album, but no one knew it until the album dropped.


I actually have a feeling this album might even end up being under an hour long. :omg:

That wouldn't bother me at all.  I&W is under an hour and every minute of it is amazing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 09, 2013, 12:00:16 PM
Hey guys! First time actually posting, but I've been lurking since the Roadrunner incident last thread! Glad to be aboard now!

Welcome! This certainly is a good time to be a board ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 09, 2013, 12:02:04 PM
Is anyone else a bit put off by this phrase?

Quote from: Dream Theater
We’ve fully explored all of the elements that make us unique

It seems odd for a musician to claim that they've "fully" explored something. Where is there to go from there?

Well, maybe they mean as of right now. Bands obviously grow and evolve over time. In two years, they might think there's more to explore.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 12:02:27 PM
Is anyone else a bit put off by this phrase?

Quote from: Dream Theater
We’ve fully explored all of the elements that make us unique

It seems odd for a musician to claim that they've "fully" explored something. Where is there to go from there?
Hmm. I'm a bit too, but I'm going to reserve judgement.

Mora, that's equal parts terrifying and adorable. :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 09, 2013, 12:06:09 PM
I am still wondering if this could end up being a double album...  Given that the first and last songs could both end up being pretty long, you never know.
...or the songs between the epics could be short ;) If it was a double album, I bet it would've been mentioned in the press release, or at least there would've been tracklists for two discs.

You never know.  When we got the tracklisting for Scenes, there was nothing said about it being a concept album or Metropolis Part II, so the band is no stranger to keeping some things secret until the last minute.  I think it would be neat if it was a double album, but no one knew it until the album dropped.
Yeah, but Scenes isn't a double album. I didn't become a DT fan until 2009, so I need to ask whoever was a fan in 2001/2002: when the tracklist for Six Degrees was announced, was it revealed that it would be a double album? I mean, were there tracklists for disc 1 and disc 2?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: emtee on July 09, 2013, 12:08:46 PM
Love the cover. Song titles seem majestic.

Bring it on!

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: KevShmev on July 09, 2013, 12:09:16 PM

Yeah, but Scenes isn't a double album. I didn't become a DT fan until 2009, so I need to ask whoever was a fan in 2001/2002: when the tracklist for Six Degrees was announced, was it revealed that it would be a double album? I mean, were there tracklists for disc 1 and disc 2?

I was around for that, but I honestly cannot remember the way the track listing was announced. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: aprilethereal on July 09, 2013, 12:13:46 PM
13 pages? Seriously? :D

I'm so incredibly excited right now :metal :D :caffeine:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Fiery Winds on July 09, 2013, 12:14:13 PM
Wish the background of the artwork was a bit more crisp, but either way, it makes me want to refer to DT12 as Majesty.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: toro on July 09, 2013, 12:15:07 PM
I was hoping for a more laid-back proggy album.
Although it seems like it's gonna be really heavy, like, fucking heavy as shit. I'm hyped.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Podaar on July 09, 2013, 12:16:38 PM
(https://home.comcast.net/~gregg-townsend/emboss.jpg)

This is what I meant earlier when I said the actual cover could be embossed with the band name. Or some thing like it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 09, 2013, 12:18:38 PM
(https://home.comcast.net/~gregg-townsend/emboss.jpg)

This is what I meant earlier when I said the actual cover could be embossed with the band name. Or some thing like it.

Now THAT would be amazing!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lucidity on July 09, 2013, 12:21:06 PM
Everyone is saying that this album seems like it will be really heavy... I'm feeling more of a super proggy vibe, based on these titles. I feel like it can be dark without being heavy. If it is heavy, I'm feeling more of an Awake vibe than a Systematic Chaos vibe.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DeanTheater on July 09, 2013, 12:21:48 PM
SPLOOOOOOOGE!







Well, I am prtetty damned psyched.  I love the Cover.  I love just the use of the Majesty symbol.   No need for anything else. As far as the tracklist is concerned, I am intrigued about JP's statemts that it is cinematic and atmospheric.  I believe this may be a turn for DT more to early prog elements.  Possibly in the realm of early YES or Genesis but with a heavier edge.  I cannot wait!

 :metal :hefdaddy :metal :hefdaddy :censored :censored :censored :censored :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 12:22:11 PM
(https://home.comcast.net/~gregg-townsend/emboss.jpg)

This is what I meant earlier when I said the actual cover could be embossed with the band name. Or some thing like it.

Now THAT would be amazing!!!

Eh, I'm sorry, but I think it looks a lot better without the band name there. Sorry.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 425 on July 09, 2013, 12:23:33 PM
No, I don't think it will sound like Systematic Chaos, because that was more of a "heavy but fun" album. I think this could very easily be a lot like Awake combined with a little of something like Black Clouds & Silver Linings.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Podaar on July 09, 2013, 12:25:48 PM


Eh, I'm sorry, but I think it looks a lot better without the band name there. Sorry.

Actually, I agree with you!  No sorries. :lol

I was just speculating on the empty space below.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 09, 2013, 12:30:04 PM

Eh, I'm sorry, but I think it looks a lot better without the band name there. Sorry.

Actually, I agree with you!  :lol

I was just speculating on the empty space below.

:lol Alrighty then!

Everyone is saying that this album seems like it will be really heavy... I'm feeling more of a super proggy vibe, based on these titles. I feel like it can be dark without being heavy. If it is heavy, I'm feeling more of an Awake vibe than a Systematic Chaos vibe.

This. I'm getting a really strong Pink Floyd vibe from the cover and song titles.

I'd also like to point out that "dark" doesn't automatically equal "heavy." For example, Jackson Browne's Late for the Sky is a pretty dark and depressing album, but it's a pretty 'light' sounding rock album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Estiui on July 09, 2013, 12:32:40 PM
Ok, let's see it from another point of view. It's gonna be their gayest album easily.


Seriously, I don't think it's gonna be as heavy as you're expecting. It is supposed to be some sort of DT's essence, it can't be purely heavy, it has to have a lot of prog. I can see a fusion of SFAM and Awake.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SystematicThought on July 09, 2013, 12:33:48 PM
Paradox of the Black Light sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MajorMatt on July 09, 2013, 12:34:06 PM
The artwork is pretty cool, definitely doesn't need the band name on there. The majesty symbol does bother me a bit, as soon as I saw the cover I thought it looked a bit...off. Certainly an Awake feel coming from this album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album speculation and discussion thread
Post by: Rhayader on July 09, 2013, 12:38:57 PM
The album cover sucks. Period.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 09, 2013, 12:40:06 PM
Overall I'm pretty psyched by this new album. The album titles are far better than what we saw on SC and BCaSL - hopefully the lyrics match the names of the titles in terms of quality.

As for those of you assuming that the first and/or last tracks will be epics just because they have subtitles for the different sections, need I remind you that Rush's Natural Science had 3 subtitled parts and was about 9 minutes in length and La Villa Strangiato has 12 parts and clocks in at 9.5 minutes. So I wouldn't bank on either of them being epics, tho it is a possibility. I could imagine the guys doing 2 separate songs with subtitled sections and having a different song as an epic, just to screw with the fans.

Regarding the cover art debate, overall I like the artwork or the idea behind it. Kinda reminds me of Testament's New Order album cover. When it was announced that the album was going to be self titled, my gut feeling was that the artwork was going to be relatively simplistic with the Majesty logo taking center stage. I love the idea that the band's name is nowhere to be seen on the cover - they're that confident in their statement of who they are. I still wish the album was untitled rather than self-titled as it adds a little more mystery to it, but I digress... All that said, I fully agree with Blob that using this version of the symbol for official artwork is amateur, as is the image of the globe cutting off at an angle. The idea is fine but the execution is poor, whether done by Hugh Syme (I'm guessing not this time) or someone else. As for those who argue that the logo should be changed over time, that's fine if that had been the case with every album showing some evolving (as is the case with Queensryche's tri-ryche symbol), but to do so now doesn't make sense. Even if they had done so beginning with ADToE, it would have made more sense than to do it at this stage. Thankfully they didn't use the wonky symbol from the crappy DT font (the one with the middle stroke being super thick and the cross strokes not lining up) but this one isn't much better.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album speculation and discussion thread
Post by: Mindflux on July 09, 2013, 12:41:12 PM
JP: Hey guys, remember how MP always wanted an album cover with just the Majesty logo and something "epic" like the earth in the background and we always said no?
JLB, JMX, JR: Yeah?
JP: *reveals new artwork*
Everyone: *cracks up*
JP: That'll show him!

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Scorpion on July 09, 2013, 12:41:52 PM
While the titles sound a little pretentious, my excitement for this album has undoubtedly risen for this record. While I doubt that it can reach any of the albums in my Holy Trinity, I do think that this will be a very interesting and diverse album and I'm looking forward to hearing it - though I'm still keeping my expectations in check.

I like the cover as well. I doubt that I would have noticed the Majesty thing if Blob hadn't pointed it out, tbh. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Aythesryche on July 09, 2013, 12:45:17 PM
 :lol @ the people calling the track titles pretentious. I don't think the context of that word holds much weight when you consider the source of the track titles. DT aren't a bunch of hipsters that bike around the same blocks in Portland all their lives while pretending to be more cultured than they actually are.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lucidity on July 09, 2013, 12:48:20 PM
:lol @ the people calling the track titles pretentious. I don't think the context of that word holds much weight when you consider the source of the track titles. DT aren't a bunch of hipsters that bike around the same blocks in Portland all their lives while pretending to be more cultured than they actually are.

Whether they are pretentious or not by definition, I think they are a bit exaggerated and silly, but not so much that it will really bother me. But if you were to compare these titles to, say, any titles off a Radiohead album, they look pretentious. It's a part of prog that I've never liked, but it's a part of who they are, in terms of just general nerdiness :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: gibbs1245 on July 09, 2013, 12:48:48 PM
Love the simplicity of the cover. Love the track names even more. Couldn't give a damn about the cover as long as the music kicks serious ASS.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 09, 2013, 12:53:06 PM
JP: Hey guys, remember how MP always wanted an album cover with just the Majesty logo and something "epic" like the earth in the background and we always said no?
JLB, JMX, JR: Yeah?
JP: *reveals new artwork*
Everyone: *cracks up*
JP: That'll show him!

:lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 09, 2013, 12:55:01 PM

Regarding the evolution of the logo:



Spock: "For everything there is a first time, Lieutenant. Don't you agree, Admiral?"

Kirk: "Mmm-hmm."



-- "Star Trek II:The Wrath Of Khan", Stardate 8130.4




I'd say the logo belongs to Dream Theater and whether or not it changes or evolves, and when that change occurs is their call to make.  Nitpicking it over what amounts to a few dozen pixels of difference from previous versions of it seems a bit....I don't know.....change happens.  You can either embrace it and accept it or let it leave skid marks on your backside.   ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 09, 2013, 12:56:26 PM
It would be great to hear some baritone riffs from JP...just saying.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JPX on July 09, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
I LOVE the new album design. I honestly couldn't imagine anything better, it represents a self titled work perfectly.

It also reminds me a lot of the Destiny imagery.  :metal

As for the tracks, I would have liked to have seen 10 or more. The more DT write, the more I appreciate their mid length works. I feel that when they write longer songs, they have a tendency to lose direction these days. The names don't mean much to me but some of them sound cool. Emeny Inside of course makes me think of Rush, and Along for the Ride makes me think of Red Barchetta. Then Looking Glass takes me to Symphony X, as does Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire. But these are just coisidental I'm sure.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 09, 2013, 12:59:38 PM
It would be great to hear some baritone riffs from JP...just saying.
Hell yea! Been awhile since he busted out the bari
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Naikon on July 09, 2013, 01:01:41 PM
GTA V and Dream Theater reveal at the same day... this can't be a coincidence.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dacling on July 09, 2013, 01:02:57 PM
I wonder if JP is the only one going to be doing backing vocals on the album or if one of the other band members might take up that role this time around. I know someone had asked Jordan in the past and he never ruled out the possibility of doing it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 01:03:42 PM
It would be great to hear some baritone riffs from JP...just saying.
Hell yea! Been awhile since he busted out the bari
It would've been more badass if he busted out an 8-string. ah well...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 09, 2013, 01:06:10 PM
Seems like JP will do fine with holding down the fort as far as vocals are concerned. Jordan has a nice voice though, probably has perfect pitch, he'd probably be good at it.

Also, when Mike Mangini was touring with Nuno Bettencourt's solo band, he sang backup vocals quite often. There are some good bootlegs out there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 09, 2013, 01:06:40 PM
Ok, this is becoming obvious.

French song title
French-Canadian lead singer
Petrucci wears a coat with a fleur-de-lis on it

This is a concept album about one of the following:

The French Revolution
James LaBrie's ancestors, Les Habitants
The Montreal Expos
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: RoeDent on July 09, 2013, 01:07:30 PM
Interesting. My observations:

1. The titles make it seem like there is a concept. Which is unusual, considering the album title does not give any hint of a concept. Unless the band have come up with a story involving their own name.

2. The titles seem more "metal".

Predictions:

Enigma Machine will be the instrumental.

The first and last tracks will be the only ones over 10 minutes. False Awakening Suite around 12-13, Illumination Theory over 20. The other songs will range somewhere between 4 and 9 minutes.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Deve on July 09, 2013, 01:08:26 PM
I don't think the French in the track title is pretentious. I think it's fucking awesome. And I hope there IS singing in French. Canada represent!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dacling on July 09, 2013, 01:10:04 PM
Seems like JP will do fine with holding down the fort as far as vocals are concerned. Jordan has a nice voice though, probably has perfect pitch, he'd probably be good at it.

Also, when Mike Mangini was touring with Nuno Bettencourt's solo band, he sang backup vocals quite often. There are some good bootlegs out there.

Interesting. I didn't know Mangini had ever done backing vocals before. It would be really interesting if both Jordan and Mike started doing backing vocals. I imagine they could do some pretty great things with that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 01:14:39 PM
I don't think the French in the track title is pretentious. I think it's fucking awesome. And I hope there IS singing in French. Canada represent!
This 100%. I love the French title.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 09, 2013, 01:14:58 PM
I'm really not sure how I feel about any of this.  I think I need time to process.

The only thing I know for sure is that I really, really like Enigma Machine as a title. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 01:18:14 PM
Fuck I am so sick to death of seeing the word "pretentious" thrown around so often on this forum.
explain to me what makes anything about any details of this album/artwork pretentious? Where is the line of what is pretentious and what isn't? Here's the problem:
when you say something is pretentious, you are essentially saying that the names/artwork etc. don't warrant what they are trying to represent. Not only are we talking about dream theater, a successful progressive metal band, that have been around for 20+ years that make their music epic and somewhat flashy and grandiloquent/theatrical/emotive/whateveradjective etc., but how do these names not warrant what they are trying to represent when you haven't even heard the music yet OR the lyrical content?!
I would sincerely appreciate someone educating me, and others, on this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Naikon on July 09, 2013, 01:19:41 PM
I really recommend viewing this video about the enigma machine. It's really impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2_Q9FoD-oQ
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: johncal on July 09, 2013, 01:23:17 PM
Personally i think it sounds just as pretentious to say the song titles sound pretentious.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Scard on July 09, 2013, 01:28:19 PM
I REALLY enjoy the idea of the False Awakening Suite.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 09, 2013, 01:30:29 PM
'Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire'. Seriously DT?
Very Symphony X. I like it.
This will likely be a symphonic overture
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2013, 01:34:13 PM
So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks.  https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705  (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Estiui on July 09, 2013, 01:52:47 PM
And let's ask ourselves, in which song will we listen to the transcribed MIDI section? :D

My vote is for the opening one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Nihil-Morari on July 09, 2013, 02:04:02 PM
Maybe Setlist Scotty is correct (why isn't he a VIP anyway?), and the song with the most subparts is the instrumental. Just like Rush did with La Vila Strangiato. No lyrics, but lots of parts in a crazy way.

Just to give some balance to my theory: it would be strange to have the opener or closer be the instrumental.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Scard on July 09, 2013, 02:07:17 PM
I think Enigma Machine, because both "enigma" and "machine" kind of embody what DT is, instrumentally. Shallow reasoning, I know, but I stick to it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Big Hath on July 09, 2013, 02:13:43 PM
Ok, this is becoming obvious.

French song title
French-Canadian lead singer
Petrucci wears a coat with a fleur-de-lis on it

This is a concept album about one of the following:

The French Revolution
James LaBrie's ancestors, Les Habitants
The Montreal Expos

Warren Cromartie better be mentioned in the lyrics!  WWRD
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 02:16:22 PM
Personally i think it sounds just as pretentious to say the song titles sound pretentious.
exactly how I feel.
So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks.  https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705  (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 02:20:21 PM
So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks.  https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705  (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.
That's funny because I'm the complete opposite. Octavarium, ACOS and SDOIT (the Score version) are some of my favorite Dream Theater songs precisely because they're so long and complex and yet they have these wonderful themes and melodies running through them. Every time I listen to them and I hear an echo of the main melody it's like seeing an old friend again. I can't explain it but it's amazing. It's just interesting how people listen to music differently.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2013, 02:22:06 PM
So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks.  https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705  (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.

For the most part, I tend to really like the longer songs.  But that being said, when an album is just a collection of a few long songs (e.g. Black Clouds), the listening experience gets tedious and old pretty quickly, especially if a couple of those tracks don't click with me.  Having a more diverse album in terms of song length, which means more songs, and some long, medium, and shorter tracks tends to be a more enjoyable listening experience, which is one of the reasons ADTOE really worked for me.  Normally, I don't get all that excited just from a track listing.  But the number of tracks + this info from Roadrunner has me pretty happy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 09, 2013, 02:26:59 PM
Probably 8VM, ACOS and SDOIT are among the best ranked DT songs out there because their musical quality is indeed overwhelming. But, ever since Train of Thought some of DT's long songs have suffered of formula and cyclic writing. That's the reason I don't enjoy ITPOE as much as the other epics, I think part 1 is fantastic and the best thing that exists in Systematic Chaos (that's not a big accomplishment), but part 2 drags a hell lot. I really like the idea of DT toning their song lengths down a bit because it makes them make super strong songs that fit in short periods of time, which is something I miss from the Awake/FII days. On the other hand, the existence of a 20+ minute epic on the record is a way of saying "don't worry, we're not going anywhere. We know you like songs long and epic, so here you have".

This is the most pumped I've been for a DT release ever since Systematic Chaos. The only difference is that I don't think this is going to let me down.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 09, 2013, 02:30:38 PM
I remember it like it was yesterday - the day ADTOE came out, as soon as I listened to it all the way through, my first thought was "holy shit, I can't wait til the next one!"

I can't believe that time is actually upon us now...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 09, 2013, 02:31:05 PM
So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks.  https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705  (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.

For the most part, I tend to really like the longer songs.  But that being said, when an album is just a collection of a few long songs (e.g. Black Clouds), the listening experience gets tedious and old pretty quickly, especially if a couple of those tracks don't click with me. 

Yeah, specifically on Black Clouds, what happened with me was, I wound up not really like 2-3 of the songs, which unfortunately meant I wound up not really liking half of the album in retrospect and I rank it pretty low now.

I would say I dislike 2 songs on ADTOE, but it doesn't seem at all like such a big deal.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 02:34:56 PM
I should probably have qualified all my posts by saying I've only been an actual fan of DT for a few months. I've known about them for a while and had a few of their albums but I hadn't ever sat down and actually listened to their music until fairly recently. Oh well. I'M CATCHING UP NOW!

All this talk about longer epic tracks has made me listen to ACOS again. Passing my last hour at work.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 09, 2013, 02:35:10 PM
So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks.  https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705  (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.

For the most part, I tend to really like the longer songs.  But that being said, when an album is just a collection of a few long songs (e.g. Black Clouds), the listening experience gets tedious and old pretty quickly, especially if a couple of those tracks don't click with me.  Having a more diverse album in terms of song length, which means more songs, and some long, medium, and shorter tracks tends to be a more enjoyable listening experience, which is one of the reasons ADTOE really worked for me.  Normally, I don't get all that excited just from a track listing.  But the number of tracks + this info from Roadrunner has me pretty happy.

This.
BCSL made me happy just for a few weeks, because it got tedious very quickly. ADTOE was way more dynamic in every way.
And looking at the tracklist, this album seems to be even more dynamic than the last 3 albuns.
Couldn't be more excited!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 09, 2013, 02:37:59 PM
I've realised something that was somewhere in the back of my mind when I first read the announcement.

Enigma Machine and Illumination Theory sound like melodeath song titles.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 02:39:44 PM
That's funny because I'm the complete opposite. Octavarium, ACOS and SDOIT (the Score version) are some of my favorite Dream Theater songs precisely because they're so long and complex and yet they have these wonderful themes and melodies running through them. Every time I listen to them and I hear an echo of the main melody it's like seeing an old friend again. I can't explain it but it's amazing. It's just interesting how people listen to music differently.   :biggrin:
I agree with you on ACOS. Octavarium (the track) I can only listen to start to finish when i'm in the mood and i've got the time on my hand, which is a rare occasion for me. I disagree that SDOIT is considered a single piece of music, even though it's structured(?) that way. That's probably my favorite DT disc EVER for exactly the reason I stated previously.
For the most part, I tend to really like the longer songs.  But that being said, when an album is just a collection of a few long songs (e.g. Black Clouds), the listening experience gets tedious and old pretty quickly, especially if a couple of those tracks don't click with me.  Having a more diverse album in terms of song length, which means more songs, and some long, medium, and shorter tracks tends to be a more enjoyable listening experience, which is one of the reasons ADTOE really worked for me.  Normally, I don't get all that excited just from a track listing.  But the number of tracks + this info from Roadrunner has me pretty happy.
I agree, and am excited about the diversified song lengths we are supposedly getting this time around. Black clouds is a prime example of how an album can suffer with only longer songs: I never have an incentive to listen to the shattered fortress, nightmare to remember or the best of times (let alone bits and pieces of those), and i'm left with count, wither and arop.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 09, 2013, 02:44:53 PM
I keep thinking that this really doesn't look like the track list of a Dream Theater album to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 02:46:19 PM
That's funny because I'm the complete opposite. Octavarium, ACOS and SDOIT (the Score version) are some of my favorite Dream Theater songs precisely because they're so long and complex and yet they have these wonderful themes and melodies running through them. Every time I listen to them and I hear an echo of the main melody it's like seeing an old friend again. I can't explain it but it's amazing. It's just interesting how people listen to music differently.   :biggrin:
I agree with you on ACOS. Octavarium (the track) I can only listen to start to finish when i'm in the mood and i've got the time on my hand, which is a rare occasion for me. I disagree that SDOIT is considered a single piece of music, even though it's structured(?) that way. That's probably my favorite DT disc EVER for exactly the reason I stated previously.
I see what you're saying about SDOIT. And perhaps I'm wrong when I think of it as one song, but for some reason that's how my brain interprets it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
When it comes to DT albums, do you find you can listen to them out of order or can you only listen to them all the way through? I find that I'm still very much in the stage where I mainly listen to the entire album all the way through although sometimes I'll listen to songs out of order. I ask because I assume I'll be the same way with DT12 as well and I was wondering if I'm in the minority. I kind of feel like these albums are an experience and so far I'm under the impression that DT12 will absolutely be the same way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JPX on July 09, 2013, 02:49:22 PM
So, informally, we have insider info that there is a 20+ minute track (not out of line with what a lot of us probably expected), and some sub-5 minute tracks.  https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/podcast-20130705  (DT discussion is at about 1:00 - 3:20)
Definitely the most exciting piece of information imo. With longer songs, once i've played the songs from start to finish and familiarized myself with the music, i will tend to skip sections just to listen to my favorite parts (some very rare personal exceptions include ACOS and LTE: when the water breaks). I tend to listen to the whole song if it's shorter. The less of an album I will skip, i.e. filled more so with shorter songs, I think the more likely that album will have re-playability, enjoyability and captures more of my attention.

For the most part, I tend to really like the longer songs.  But that being said, when an album is just a collection of a few long songs (e.g. Black Clouds), the listening experience gets tedious and old pretty quickly, especially if a couple of those tracks don't click with me.  Having a more diverse album in terms of song length, which means more songs, and some long, medium, and shorter tracks tends to be a more enjoyable listening experience, which is one of the reasons ADTOE really worked for me.  Normally, I don't get all that excited just from a track listing.  But the number of tracks + this info from Roadrunner has me pretty happy.

This is essentially what I was trying to articulate earlier in relation to song lengths...so thank you.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Podaar on July 09, 2013, 02:49:53 PM
When it comes to DT albums, do you find you can listen to them out of order or can you only listen to them all the way through? I find that I'm still very much in the stage where I mainly listen to the entire album all the way through although sometimes I'll listen to songs out of order. I ask because I assume I'll be the same way with DT12 as well and I was wondering if I'm in the minority. I kind of feel like these albums are an experience and so far I'm under the impression that DT12 will absolutely be the same way.

Initially, and probably for several years, after their individual releases, yes. After 25 years (more now?) of listening to them I'm more able to listen on shuffle.

[edit] Except SFaM. I must listen to that as one piece.[/edit]
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 09, 2013, 02:52:59 PM
I can't not see the cut image of the earth (thanks blob!) the tracklist is very different and unique, sounds like a very experimental album. I would prefer the DT text on it at least once...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 09, 2013, 02:53:42 PM
When it comes to DT albums, do you find you can listen to them out of order or can you only listen to them all the way through? I find that I'm still very much in the stage where I mainly listen to the entire album all the way through although sometimes I'll listen to songs out of order. I ask because I assume I'll be the same way with DT12 as well and I was wondering if I'm in the minority. I kind of feel like these albums are an experience and so far I'm under the impression that DT12 will absolutely be the same way.

I do both.  I love listening to DT albums all the way through, but I listen to songs out of order all the time as well. 

As for the new album, I'll definitely listen to it from start to finish when I first get it, obviously.  After that, it could go one of two ways: if there are any songs on the album that stand out from the others as definite favorites in my mind, I'll probably go back and listen to those out of order; if the album feels really cohesive and consistent in quality, then I'll listen to it all the way through again. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 02:57:20 PM
I do both.  I love listening to DT albums all the way through, but I listen to songs out of order all the time as well. 

As for the new album, I'll definitely listen to it from start to finish when I first get it, obviously.  After that, it could go one of two ways: if there are any songs on the album that stand out from the others as definite favorites in my mind, I'll probably go back and listen to those out of order; if the album feels really cohesive and consistent in quality, then I'll listen to it all the way through again. 
Initially, and probably for several years, after their individual releases, yes. After 25 years (more now?) of listening to them I'm more able to listen on shuffle.

[edit] Except SFaM. I must listen to that as one piece.[/edit]

Ha! I feel justified now. I was having this conversation with a friend and he thought I was crazy for liking to listen to the entire album all the way through. Clearly I'm not as crazy as he thought I was!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Scorpion on July 09, 2013, 02:59:31 PM
You should know that we probably aren't best batch of people to judge craziness against. I mean, we're awe- and handsome and pretty witty and stuff like that, but sane? I mean, we ARE on a DT message board. :laugh:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2013, 03:00:50 PM
I see what you're saying about SDOIT. And perhaps I'm wrong when I think of it as one song, but for some reason that's how my brain interprets it.

Well, it is one song.  But it is an unusual song in that the different movements are musically very independent of one another.  Other than the fact that the major themes are previewed in the overture and the About To Crash reprise, there are fewer reprises and common musical threads that run throughout the song than you might find in other long epics.  Add to that the fact that the band decided to add courtesy track breaks to separate each movement and the fact that they have played discreet movements rather than the entire song many times on tour, and I completely get why it feels a bit like separate songs rather than one song with separate movements.  But it absolutely is one song, so you aren't wrong by any stretch in feeling that way.

With the two songs on the new album that have multiple movements, I can't help but wonder whether either of them will be in the vein of Six Degrees or whether they will both be more "traditional" epics in the way they are structured.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GandL on July 09, 2013, 03:01:06 PM
Ok, this is becoming obvious.

French song title
French-Canadian lead singer
Petrucci wears a coat with a fleur-de-lis on it

This is a concept album about one of the following:

The French Revolution
James LaBrie's ancestors, Les Habitants
The Montreal Expos

 :lol :lol :lol Being from Montréal you made me spill my 'Belle Gueule' (beer brand) on my screen  :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JPX on July 09, 2013, 03:01:16 PM
Additionally...Live, Die, Kill is going to be 80's Metallica sounding me thinks. Like a combo of TTTSTA And Constant Motion but with a thashier vibe.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 03:03:05 PM
You should know that we probably aren't best batch of people to judge craziness against. I mean, we're awe- and handsome and pretty witty and stuff like that, but sane? I mean, we ARE on a DT message board. :laugh:

Yeah after I posted that I was like, huh maybe I am a bit crazy. After all I read through 100+ pages of the last thread and decided to join in! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 09, 2013, 03:03:40 PM
Ha! I feel justified now. I was having this conversation with a friend and he thought I was crazy for liking to listen to the entire album all the way through. Clearly I'm not as crazy as he thought I was!

I do not recommend using DTF as a measure of sanity.   :lol

That being said, I think it's perfectly normal to listen to full albums from start to finish.  I think it's a little odd if you never listen to single songs out of order, but, hey - whatever works for you!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 03:06:21 PM
I see what you're saying about SDOIT. And perhaps I'm wrong when I think of it as one song, but for some reason that's how my brain interprets it.
Well now that I think about it, I usually do play this album as a single piece of music, and I suppose it is technically one song; but yeah it's also essentially an 8 track record. Each track really comes into its own though, each one distinct and with their own personality: Evoking a different emotion/mood in the listener, and having varying sonic scope. In that sense they feel separated, despite how each track seamlessly flows into each other. It's a 40-ish minute disc that has more depth than Systematic chaos or BC&SL, or heck even both of them put together... AND it's still feels very DT too!
SDOIT is a prime example of why one should be excited for the upcoming album: a concise DT mixed with a lengthy DT is a killer formula for impending awesomeness.

EDIT: bosker ninja'd what I was saying but was more eloquently articulated. the force is indeed strong with him...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2013, 03:08:54 PM
Additionally...Live, Die, Kill is going to be 80's Metallica sounding me thinks. Like a combo of TTTSTA And Constant Motion but with a thashier vibe.

The title would certainly suggest that.  I get a similar vibe.  ...which means we are probably dead wrong.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 03:09:08 PM
I do not recommend using DTF as a measure of sanity.   :lol

That being said, I think it's perfectly normal to listen to full albums from start to finish.  I think it's a little odd if you never listen to single songs out of order, but, hey - whatever works for you!

Well not NEVER, just less often. I personally can't listen to the entirety of BC&SL but Wither is one of my favorite songs of all-time, so that one gets a lot of play. Also TCOT was  one of the first Dream Theater songs I ever heard (I think the absolute first one was Panic Attack on RB2), so occasionally I play that one for nostalgia's sake.

Also Wait for Sleep, because that piano is the most beautiful thing in the world.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 09, 2013, 03:11:00 PM
SDOIT is a prime example of why one should be excited for the upcoming album: a concise DT mixed with a lengthy DT is a killer formula for impending awesomeness.

Exactly! If DT12 reaches the same level of creativity and complexity and depth and... other adjectives I can't think of, then I will be one happy camper. We already know it's going to be rich and chocolatey, so that's a good start!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 09, 2013, 03:17:27 PM
I try not to keep my expectations super high, but I just can't help it this time!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dellers on July 09, 2013, 03:23:42 PM
SDOIT is a prime example of why one should be excited for the upcoming album: a concise DT mixed with a lengthy DT is a killer formula for impending awesomeness.

Exactly! If DT12 reaches the same level of creativity and complexity and depth and bass, then I will be one happy camper.
FTFM
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 09, 2013, 03:24:47 PM
Additionally...Live, Die, Kill is going to be 80's Metallica sounding me thinks. Like a combo of TTTSTA And Constant Motion but with a thashier vibe.

The title would certainly suggest that.  I get a similar vibe.  ...which means we are probably dead wrong.  :lol

Most likely. Before ADTOE came out I was expecting LNF to be a beautiful, emotional song, mourning the loss of someone and it turned out to be a shred fest!  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JPX on July 09, 2013, 03:25:30 PM
Additionally...Live, Die, Kill is going to be 80's Metallica sounding me thinks. Like a combo of TTTSTA And Constant Motion but with a thashier vibe.

The title would certainly suggest that.  I get a similar vibe.  ...which means we are probably dead wrong.  :lol

Yep, probably a ballad section lol.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: PROGdrummer on July 09, 2013, 03:26:17 PM
I'm not expecting false awakening to be all that long, 13-14 minutes tops. Standard DT fair.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 09, 2013, 03:40:37 PM
I'm also trying to keep my expectations toa reasonable level. If it's a bit better than ADTOE I will be a happy fan :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kingshmegland on July 09, 2013, 03:42:18 PM
I know early on that people were complaining about the change in the logo but how many times have Rush changed the style of their name ever so slightly and how many times did this doofus write the different logos all over the place (Notebooks, walls "In the bathroom halls...."), plus buying the different concert T-Shirts?!  Great marketing really.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 09, 2013, 03:43:25 PM
Whatsername, I really am the same as you, I very rarely listen to individual songs. I almost always put an album on, or I might sometimes put a band's whole collection on random shuffle.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 09, 2013, 03:46:12 PM
So there are 9 songs with 17 track names. Some of the songs are under 5 minutes long. I have to wonder what the significance of this is.  :justjen My guess is that the tracks under five minutes are in the False Awakening Suite and Illumination Theory sub parts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 09, 2013, 03:47:28 PM
So there are 9 songs with 17 track names. Some of the songs are under 5 minutes long. I have to wonder what the significance of this is.  :justjen My guess is that the tracks under five minutes are in the False Awakening Suite and Illumination Theory sub parts.

This isn't the impression I have.  I think the multi-movement songs are one track each.

I could be wrong, though.  That's just the way it looks to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 09, 2013, 03:52:15 PM
FAS can't be too long. They wouldn't open with an epic, that's why they cut ITPOE in half. What I got from the podcast is that some of the "regular" songs will be shorter, not the sub-parts of FAS or IT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 09, 2013, 04:00:02 PM
FAS can't be too long. They wouldn't open with an epic, that's why they cut ITPOE in half. What I got from the podcast is that some of the "regular" songs will be shorter, not the sub-parts of FAS or IT.
Why not?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: 425 on July 09, 2013, 04:04:45 PM
I would guess because it's very hard for anything to follow it. Imagine if 8VM had another song after the title track or if BCSL had another song after The Count.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GasparXR on July 09, 2013, 04:12:30 PM
It depends if the epic works as an opener or a closer. In the case of 8VM, it works best as a closer, but they could have very well written a 20-minute song that actually works as an opening song well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Millais on July 09, 2013, 04:17:24 PM
I don't think a DT album, pre-release, has ever excited me so much.

Track names intriguing? Check.

Ridiculously out of character album cover? Check.


I'm in.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album speculation and discussion thread
Post by: MarkFitDT on July 09, 2013, 04:21:32 PM
The album cover sucks. Period.

nice reasoned argument there!!

for the record I really like it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 09, 2013, 04:21:42 PM
It's difficult not to be impressed with the confidence they're showing about this album.  I know they always make it sound like their new album is going to be their best, but... I don't know.  I feel like a self-titled album with a simple cover featuring the band logo front and center is really making a very big statement about the quality of the music.  Combine that with Mike Mangini saying the album is seven times better than anything he's ever recorded...

Again, I know that them feeling good about the album doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to like it as much as they do, but... Well.  Like I said, it's just difficult not to be impressed with their confidence. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: rush-signals on July 09, 2013, 04:21:53 PM
I don't think a DT album, pre-release, has ever excited me so much.

Track names intriguing? Check.

Ridiculously out of character album cover? Check.


I'm in.  :metal :metal

Exactly. I've read so many comments here on this and that and I bet none of them pan out. This is a new Dream Theater in my book. The cover is simple as it should be, but who cares! The song titles are great IMO and I see them flowing into some type of sembelance. I'll just sit back, wait and enjoy it when it comes out unless it's a disco or rap album!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 09, 2013, 04:23:42 PM
When SC came out, JP and MP said many times that they didn't want an epic to be the first track, because it would sort of cut the flow of the record right from the beginning. So they cut it in two parts in order to avoid a very long track kinda stalling the listeners before they get to the rest of the record.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 09, 2013, 04:24:25 PM
How much was the ADTOE box set? I'd imagine this one would be about the same
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Frank on July 09, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Maybe this is well known, but out of curiosity, does LaBrie speak French?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 09, 2013, 04:27:20 PM
When SC came out, JP and MP said many times that they didn't want an epic to be the first track, because it would sort of cut the flow of the record right from the beginning. So they cut it in two parts in order to avoid a very long track kinda stalling the listeners before they get to the rest of the record.

For the record, this doesn't necessarily mean that they still feel the same way now.  I'm not betting on FA (why not?  We may as well start abbreviating early...) being a huge epic, but I don't see any reason why it couldn't be. 

Speaking of abbreviations, has anybody pointed out that Illumination Theory will be abbreviated as IT? 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 09, 2013, 04:28:21 PM
One thing I have learned is not to try to figure out much about DT songs from their titles.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2013, 04:29:42 PM
One thing I have learned is:  Trust hefdaddy42 in all things.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: rush-signals on July 09, 2013, 04:30:54 PM
EXACTLY!

One thing I have learned is not to try to figure out much about DT songs from their titles.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Letter M on July 09, 2013, 04:34:45 PM
FAS can't be too long. They wouldn't open with an epic, that's why they cut ITPOE in half. What I got from the podcast is that some of the "regular" songs will be shorter, not the sub-parts of FAS or IT.

"A Nightmare To Remember" would have a word with you, as would "The Glass Prison".

Also, as I said earlier in the thread, just because FAS has 3 movements with individual titles doesn't mean it's going to be an EPIC in the length-sense. Remember how "The Killing Hand" has five movements but is only about 9 minutes long? I don't expect FAS to be longer than 10 minutes, but at least 7, with each movement being about 2-3 minutes long.

As for IT, I expect it to be working title "Epic" from the Progress Chart, and to be about 20-22 minutes long, enough for Side 4 of the Double LP vinyl album.  I also hope that they ordered the songs in a way that is also conducive to 4 sides of the vinyl, meaning the song lengths for the tracks fit into the sides well. Here's my guesses...
Side 1 ~21 minutes
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE ~9 minutes
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE ~5 minutes
3. THE LOOKING GLASS ~7 minutes

Side 2 ~17 minutes
4. ENIGMA MACHINE ~5 minutes
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE ~12 minutes

Side 3 ~20 minutes
6. BEHIND THE VEIL ~7 minutes
7. SURRENDER TO REASON ~4 minutes
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE ~9 minutes

Side 4 ~20 minutes
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY ~20 minutes

Total ~78 minutes

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lucidity on July 09, 2013, 04:40:24 PM
So when the album comes out, there will be a single song called False Awakening, divided into parts? Or will there be multiple songs that form the suite, a la Mind Beside Itself?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GandL on July 09, 2013, 04:44:17 PM
Maybe this is well known, but out of curiosity, does LaBrie speak French?

I saw him on a french canadian show, he knows a couple of words, understand a little bit but cannot speak really.

'The letter M', I think that you might not be too far, this is a good guess.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 09, 2013, 04:45:51 PM
I thought they stated it was a 9 track album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Letter M on July 09, 2013, 05:03:52 PM
9 tracks, meaning the songs with movements will NOT be indexed into their separate parts as tracks, a la "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence"...this is, of course, assuming they know the difference between TRACKS and SONGS when it comes to albums.

SDOIT has 6 SONGS, but really has 13 TRACKS across it's two discs.

Either way, I still expect FAS to be what was known as "YARGGG"/Opener, and still be completely instrumental. Opening with a 7-10 minute instrumental to set the tone of the album, especially with a new member FULLY INTEGRATED into the writing process, would be a bold statement... AND it is something they have never done before, but would be completely welcome with MM on board. Perhaps only PART of the song is instrumental, but I'd expect at least one of its three movements to be lyric-less.

In addition to FAS, at least one other track will be completely instrumental, and as for the "Easter Egg", I assume it'll be on the album, but it won't be listed in the official press releases as such. It's an EASTER EGG...meaning we'll hear it as we get the album. No one will know what it is, have an official name for it, but it'll be on there and it'll be JR/JP just doing what they do best.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 09, 2013, 05:08:11 PM
Just checked thst the initials for each song don't clash with another and off the top of my head they don't :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
9 tracks, meaning the songs with movements will NOT be indexed into their separate parts as tracks

Probably, but not necessarily.  In the general sense, people often use "track" and "song" interchangeably unless there is a specific reason to use one or the other.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 09, 2013, 05:16:40 PM
The more I look at this cover, the more I see the cut of the world, it just seems like a piss poor attempt..
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 09, 2013, 05:20:17 PM
Thr more I look at this cover, the more I see the cut of the world, it just seems like a piss poor attempt..

I really don't think it's the final product though. I don't see that being released. I'm sure they'll touch up on it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 09, 2013, 05:21:59 PM
I don't think a DT album, pre-release, has ever excited me so much.

Well, later on in a band's career, you can be excited for their new upcoming albums, but chances are, their music isn't going to have as much discovery and adventure as their earlier works. The later works usually refine what the band had already developed. But in this case, it really does seem like the album will be a lot more adventurous, and knowing that Mike Mangini was allowed to go crazy on it, is even more reassuring. So yeah, it's a time for excitement!

9 tracks, meaning the songs with movements will NOT be indexed into their separate parts as tracks

Probably, but not necessarily.  In the general sense, people often use "track" and "song" interchangeably unless there is a specific reason to use one or the other.

But the movements themselves aren't numbered, so I'm pretty sure they'll be combined onto one track. Usually the tracks are numbered the way the numbers would show up on a basic CD player, meaning the numbers themselves represent the tracks. Unless the actual back of the CD changes the numbering from what we've been given.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JRuivo on July 09, 2013, 05:24:08 PM
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE - A Mind Beside Itself Suite
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE - Innocence Faded
3. THE LOOKING GLASS - The Mirror
6. BEHIND THE VEIL - Lie
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY - Lifting Shadows off a Dream

Am I doin it right?  :biggrin: Am I unveiling what could be the beggining of the Awake/DT12 comparison theories?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 09, 2013, 05:24:26 PM
Well...I've finally found out the news, and am very excited! :metal

While I'm not a huge fan of the cover, the tracklisting seems pretty good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 09, 2013, 05:25:25 PM
Thr more I look at this cover, the more I see the cut of the world, it just seems like a piss poor attempt..

I really don't think it's the final product though. I don't see that being released. I'm sure they'll touch up on it!

So do I! It's really clear without brightness up! I'm just concerned as they released it as album art.... If they edit it I really hope they add the DT text...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Fiery Winds on July 09, 2013, 05:33:35 PM
Yeah, honestly I like the concept, but that's all it is. A little more refinement, especially on the earth(?) would turn this from a fan-made cover* into a pretty slick looking cover that pops a bit more.

1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE - A Mind Beside Itself Suite
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE - Innocence Faded
3. THE LOOKING GLASS - The Mirror
6. BEHIND THE VEIL - Lie
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY - Lifting Shadows off a Dream

Am I doin it right?  :biggrin: Am I unveiling what could be the beggining of the Awake/DT12 comparison theories?

I think we can hold off until we hear the music, though it would definitely spark some heated discussion if there were some glaring comparisons to be made.

What will probably happen is somebody will post a long list of plausible (but a stretch) comparisons, people getting angry defending the band, people getting angry defending their musical knowledge, PC perpetually talking about how DT aren't the band he thought they were, and Bosk1 handing out warnings and threatening (and probably using) the banhammer on occasion, etc.

 :neverusethis:

*No offense given to the great fan-made work here, as quite a bit is more thought out than some official releases.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 09, 2013, 06:13:56 PM
So DT 13 will their pop album and DT 14 will be their Prog Rock Opus.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 09, 2013, 06:14:11 PM
Cover....eh...too black & white for me.  The purple logo over the earth would be a lot better.

Has DT ever done a "performance video" (like Evenflow or Wherever I May Roam)?  It would be good for a second single, just film a concert.  Better than a "lyric video" I think.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SuperTaco on July 09, 2013, 06:26:00 PM
I am deeply excited for the whole album, but False Awakening Suite and Illumination Theory are VERY interesting to me. I suppose I'm always a bit more excited for the longer tracks, but I'm starting to sense that this might be something very special.

The wait continues...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jammindude on July 09, 2013, 06:33:14 PM
Really shocked by the reactions.

I think the album cover is absolutely AMAZING!  To have the band name on it, would completely RUIN it.   It's awesome exactly as it is.

It is one of the best album covers I have EVER seen from Dream Theater.   I think it's the best since Train of Thought (which I've decided is my favorite).

The track titles....I'm not that thrilled about.  I especially dislike the title of the epic, so I hope it will grow on me.   But the album cover is **SO** good, that it dispels any reservations I may have about the song titles. 

The new Majesty logo is incredible, and I would even say it is a vast improvement.     I'm really stoked for this. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: theseoafs on July 09, 2013, 06:36:59 PM
What is so different about the majesty symbol on this particular cover that makes it so offensive to some of our posters?  I've been staring at it and a picture of the old majesty symbol for a few minutes and I can't make out any appreciable difference. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 09, 2013, 06:39:03 PM
I like the cover, myself.  Prolly shouldn't talk as a noob -- but it looks cool and classy to me.

And WOW!!!  You guys are so PASSIONATE about it all!!!   :eek :omg: :eek   How is it more important than what the music sounds like...which no one has even heard, yet???

This is a fascinating social study.   :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dark Castle on July 09, 2013, 06:39:33 PM
I'm neutral about the cover, it's absolutely boring, but it's not bad either.
Tracklist sounds radular though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: XJDenton on July 09, 2013, 06:47:05 PM
My main issue with the cover art is that I have no clue how to make it into an interesting forum theme right now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 09, 2013, 06:50:13 PM
How about show the clown riding into a burning star?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dark Castle on July 09, 2013, 06:51:55 PM
Elephant balancing on top of it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 09, 2013, 06:52:07 PM
Question: does the phrase 'Illumination Theory' come from anywhere?  Like, is it some scientific principle I'm not familiar with, or did they just make it up?

And WOW!!!  You guys are so PASSIONATE about it all!!!   :eek :omg: :eek   How is it more important than what the music sounds like...which no one has even heard, yet???

It isn't more important than the music.  But we don't have the music yet, and until we do, you can bet that people here will analyze the hell out of what we do have.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jammindude on July 09, 2013, 06:53:39 PM
How about show the clown riding into a burning star?
:rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 09, 2013, 06:57:39 PM
My main issue with the cover art is that I have no clue how to make it into an interesting forum theme right now.

Just keep the BTS one, it's the only one I'll need :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: darkshade on July 09, 2013, 06:58:41 PM
Just checked thst the initials for each song don't clash with another and off the top of my head they don't :tup

Not a clash, but one of them gets pretty close: ALONG FOR THE RIDE

AFTR

ANTR

***Also, VERY EXCITED about DT12!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 09, 2013, 06:59:50 PM

And WOW!!!  You guys are so PASSIONATE about it all!!!   :eek :omg: :eek   How is it more important than what the music sounds like...which no one has even heard, yet???

It isn't more important than the music.  But we don't have the music yet, and until we do, you can bet that people here will analyze the hell out of what we do have.  :lol

 :lol

Have fun with it.  It's a riot to read.  It's just never occurred to me to be so "involved" in an album cover!  ;) 

Hope it sounds good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2013, 07:06:33 PM
My main issue with the cover art is that I have no clue how to make it into an interesting forum theme right now.

Just keep the BTS one, it's the only one I'll need :)

Don't worry.  All existing themes will remain available.  The only reason we don't have the old pre-ADTOE themes is because the old themes are not supported by the new forum software upgrade. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: darkshade on July 09, 2013, 07:31:12 PM
What live album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 09, 2013, 07:33:01 PM
???
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 09, 2013, 07:43:02 PM
???
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: darkshade on July 09, 2013, 07:45:13 PM
???

Idea for joke =  :justjen
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on July 09, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
???

Idea for joke =  :justjen

...







:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Heretic on July 09, 2013, 07:52:14 PM
The thing that makes me a bit excited for this is how unusual it is for the band. The titles aren't what you'd expect, the album art is certainly not what you would expect, and for me, that makes this whole venture a bit refreshing. I feel as though there's potential for this album to be a classic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: showdonttell on July 09, 2013, 07:55:18 PM
"Illumination Theory" sounds like it's going to be incredibly epic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 09, 2013, 08:02:37 PM
I like the album art and think its neat they dropped the DT text and went wih the chromed out Majesty symbol. This is a 'self titled' album that seems to have come full circle with no real 'title', only the symbol that has come to represent 'Dream Theater'.....selected when they were 'Majesty'

As far as track names...could care less if they were called 'Song 1...and so on' or if they picked out if the ordinary abstract combination words like they've done. I'm willing to wager this album is going to make a lot of people happy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jammindude on July 09, 2013, 08:15:22 PM
From an outsiders perspective...

Both my wife and my step son said it looked like a teaser poster for a really major sci-fi epic film...like this generation's "2001"....   They meant it in a good way.   They both thought the cover was really cool.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: gibbs1245 on July 09, 2013, 08:15:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuw-25y6GC4

^^I remember watching this two years ago, and completely losing my mind from excitement. They definitely need to do something similar for DT12, having a brief track by track description.  :metal  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Rattlehead on July 09, 2013, 08:51:30 PM
I see a lot of people aren't happy with us criticizing the album cover  :lol Agree or disagree, that's what a forum is for. This place would be boring if there weren't people that call it like it is  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jammindude on July 09, 2013, 08:52:26 PM
I see a lot of people aren't happy with us criticizing the album cover  :lol Agree or disagree, that's what a forum is for. This place would be boring if there weren't people that call it like it is  :biggrin:

I love you...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Rattlehead on July 09, 2013, 08:54:19 PM
In the grand scheme of things, the album cover means very little to me. I don't think it's awful, I just don't really care for it. As I said before, it doesn't make me any less excited to hear the album for the first time  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 09, 2013, 08:56:33 PM
I really dig the concept of the album cover, but I hope they fix that out of focus earth lying on the background. It looks very amateur-ish.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dongringo on July 09, 2013, 08:59:09 PM
Love the album cover and the song titles. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaq on July 09, 2013, 09:18:27 PM
Christ, I miss a lot when I don't come to DT side, don't I?

Two songs with multiple movements (which of course means little overall, but it suggests these will be the two longest songs) and a pretty snazzy album cover to boot. This really has STATEMENT OF INTENT written all over it. Can't wait for the first song/samples/hell even song lengths.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DreamerTV on July 09, 2013, 09:21:58 PM
Question: does the phrase 'Illumination Theory' come from anywhere?  Like, is it some scientific principle I'm not familiar with, or did they just make it up?

My guess is that it could be S.Augustin of Hippo theory of illumination

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminationism
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Edson Wilton on July 09, 2013, 09:26:12 PM
Hello, how are you? I think the cover art is very minimal, which adds to the mystery of how the album will sound. I do not know why, but the cover art also reminds me of "The Dark Side of the Moon".
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 09, 2013, 09:37:31 PM
Hello, how are you? I think the cover art is very minimal, which adds to the mystery of how the album will sound. I do not know why, but the cover art also reminds me of "The Dark Side of the Moon".
Hello and welcome! I am fine thanks for asking.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 09, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Hello, how are you? I think the cover art is very minimal, which adds to the mystery of how the album will sound. I do not know why, but the cover art also reminds me of "The Dark Side of the Moon".

Hello, I'm doing well, how about yourself? I agree with all the points you've made. I love the minimalist look, as I think too many of DT's album covers are unnecessarily cluttered. And if this album has anywhere close the the same tone atmospherically of Dark Side of the Moon, I'd be thrilled. I'm ready for something a little more 'out there'.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Edson Wilton on July 09, 2013, 10:07:30 PM
Hello, how are you? I think the cover art is very minimal, which adds to the mystery of how the album will sound. I do not know why, but the cover art also reminds me of "The Dark Side of the Moon".
Hello and welcome! I am fine thanks for asking.

Hello, how are you? I think the cover art is very minimal, which adds to the mystery of how the album will sound. I do not know why, but the cover art also reminds me of "The Dark Side of the Moon".

Hello, I'm doing well, how about yourself? I agree with all the points you've made. I love the minimalist look, as I think too many of DT's album covers are unnecessarily cluttered. And if this album has anywhere close the the same tone atmospherically of Dark Side of the Moon, I'd be thrilled. I'm ready for something a little more 'out there'.

Thanks! I'm fine too.

If this album has anywhere close to a more progressive and climatic mood, it will be a classic, for sure.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: theseoafs on July 09, 2013, 10:38:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuw-25y6GC4

^^I remember watching this two years ago, and completely losing my mind from excitement. They definitely need to do something similar for DT12, having a brief track by track description.  :metal  :metal

I remember this one.  Watched it a few times over when it came out.  Nostalgic watching it again after I've known everything for a couple years.  I still remember saying "OMG BRIDGES IN THE SKY HAS AN 'ETHNICAL' BREAKDOWN OMG OMG"  :lol

Of course, now that the tracklist's out, details of the album's music are going to start trickling out every so often.  And I'll freak out over every single one.  Color me excited.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: adastra on July 09, 2013, 10:55:42 PM
WHOA! Great news!
Tracklist looks amazing! But I don't like the cover art too much.
Somehow I get this "Texas Ranger" -vibe from the promo pic  :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 09, 2013, 11:01:38 PM
I see a lot of people aren't happy with us criticizing the album cover  :lol Agree or disagree, that's what a forum is for. This place would be boring if there weren't people that call it like it is  :biggrin:

I love you...

And this is one of the more intelligent and lively forums I've been a part of.  All this is great!    :tup

I just don't have a lot of geeked out people in my life so this is interesting.  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 09, 2013, 11:06:33 PM
the cover art is different. and change is definitely good
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 11:07:23 PM
Yep i've totally just noticed that earth cut off thing on the cover...
and as much as I am an avid supporter of the awesome concept that is this cover.... that is horrid  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 09, 2013, 11:12:45 PM
Damn it......that's all I'm gonna look at now!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: adastra on July 09, 2013, 11:13:10 PM
Yep i've totally just noticed that earth cut off thing on the cover...
and as much as I am an avid supporter of the awesome concept that is this cover.... that is horrid  :lol

NUGGETZ!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Red_Queen on July 09, 2013, 11:24:18 PM
WOW.. DT12 give me that shieeet !!!!!

I like the cover..what more do you need for the self-titled album ! Album to me sounds really (SDOIT vs Awake) dark-heavy-proggy..thats all I need !  :metal :metal :metal

When do we get single hm hm?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dongringo on July 09, 2013, 11:32:55 PM
I see some cloud creatures directly above the majesty symbol. One looks like an old man frowny face and the one to the right of that one looks like a cat face. There's also one to the left of the old man looking one, but it's more subtle. There's actually four cloud creatures in total that I can see. Wild, wild stuff.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 09, 2013, 11:44:08 PM
I see some cloud creatures directly above the majesty symbol. One looks like an old man frowny face and the one to the right of that one looks like a cat face. There's also one to the left of the old man looking one, but it's more subtle. There's actually four cloud creatures in total that I can see. Wild, wild stuff.
And yet you don't see that earth cut off line that cuts through from the leftmost edge of the cover into the logo?
I don't usually care about album art, but I will say that, assuming the music is really good, listening to awesome music that you have been desperately waiting for, that came with poor quality cover art, is kind of like eating a gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake with just the right amount of icing... on a paper plate using a plastic fork...
I really hope they fix it, although it won't be the end of the world if they don't... even though it really kinda is... :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 09, 2013, 11:55:02 PM
I hope they call the tour the 'Dream Theatour'. That would be such a win. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dongringo on July 09, 2013, 11:58:39 PM
I see some cloud creatures directly above the majesty symbol. One looks like an old man frowny face and the one to the right of that one looks like a cat face. There's also one to the left of the old man looking one, but it's more subtle. There's actually four cloud creatures in total that I can see. Wild, wild stuff.
And yet you don't see that earth cut off line that cuts through from the leftmost edge of the cover into the logo?
I don't usually care about album art, but I will say that, assuming the music is really good, listening to awesome music that you have been desperately waiting for, that came with poor quality cover art, is kind of like eating a gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake with just the right amount of icing... on a paper plate using a plastic fork...
I really hope they fix it, although it won't be the end of the world if they don't... even though it really kinda is... :neverusethis:

Never said I didn't see that. In fact, if you turn up your brightness you will see that it's more than that. It's like looking through a window or something. It cuts down, then across through the logo then back up, then to the left a bit more to parallel the left side of the (window?). There's also some other curves at the bottom right of the window that are subtle brown/grey colors with serrated edges....plus the cloud creatures. There's something too all this. It can't be a mistake (in my opinion).
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 10, 2013, 12:01:23 AM
I see some cloud creatures directly above the majesty symbol. One looks like an old man frowny face and the one to the right of that one looks like a cat face. There's also one to the left of the old man looking one, but it's more subtle. There's actually four cloud creatures in total that I can see. Wild, wild stuff.
And yet you don't see that earth cut off line that cuts through from the leftmost edge of the cover into the logo?
I don't usually care about album art, but I will say that, assuming the music is really good, listening to awesome music that you have been desperately waiting for, that came with poor quality cover art, is kind of like eating a gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake with just the right amount of icing... on a paper plate using a plastic fork...
I really hope they fix it, although it won't be the end of the world if they don't... even though it really kinda is... :neverusethis:

Never said I didn't see that. In fact, if you turn up your brightness you will see that it's more than that. It's like looking through a window or something. It cuts down, then across through the logo then back up, then to the left a bit more to parallel the left side of the (window?). There's also some other curves at the bottom left of the window that are subtle brown/grey colors with serrated edges. There's something too all this. It can't be a mistake in my opinion.

It's the edge of the stock image that was used, hence the honking square corner. The lines are at an angle because it was rotated. It is a mistake, clear and simple.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dongringo on July 10, 2013, 12:03:41 AM
I see some cloud creatures directly above the majesty symbol. One looks like an old man frowny face and the one to the right of that one looks like a cat face. There's also one to the left of the old man looking one, but it's more subtle. There's actually four cloud creatures in total that I can see. Wild, wild stuff.
And yet you don't see that earth cut off line that cuts through from the leftmost edge of the cover into the logo?
I don't usually care about album art, but I will say that, assuming the music is really good, listening to awesome music that you have been desperately waiting for, that came with poor quality cover art, is kind of like eating a gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake with just the right amount of icing... on a paper plate using a plastic fork...
I really hope they fix it, although it won't be the end of the world if they don't... even though it really kinda is... :neverusethis:

Never said I didn't see that. In fact, if you turn up your brightness you will see that it's more than that. It's like looking through a window or something. It cuts down, then across through the logo then back up, then to the left a bit more to parallel the left side of the (window?). There's also some other curves at the bottom left of the window that are subtle brown/grey colors with serrated edges. There's something too all this. It can't be a mistake in my opinion.

It's the edge of the stock image that was used, hence the honking square corner. The lines are at an angle because it was rotated. It is a mistake, clear and simple.

Well that sucks. At least there's the cloud creatures.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 10, 2013, 12:11:16 AM
Never said I didn't see that.
I can see it clearly in your avitar through my monitor, and assumed you loved it as much as I did before I noticed it, and hence set it as your pic to denote your love for it  :lol
Its really freaking good other than that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Deve on July 10, 2013, 12:25:32 AM
I hope they call the tour the 'Dream Theatour'. That would be such a win. :lol

I now want this to happen with all of my heart.

Also, I think they avoided writing the band name all together due to fear of incurring the wrath of Blob if it was the wrong font  :lol

Seriously though, it sucks that the Majesty logo is so disproportionate from how it should look. As someone who doesn't really see much of a difference, it doesn't bother me, but I get how it could be quite annoying to someone that could see it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 10, 2013, 12:28:29 AM
I'm also in the camp that now can't unsee the ridiculous cut-off for the planet.

Damn you, Blob!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hipodilski on July 10, 2013, 12:31:32 AM
It gets really visible when you invert the image:

(https://imageshack.us/scaled/large/51/7mns.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 10, 2013, 12:36:31 AM
At first I thought the cover looks cool, but now I can't unsee the cut-off, either. Damn! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Bolsters on July 10, 2013, 12:37:06 AM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)

This really accentuates the compression artifacts I saw in the original on the light. It looks like it has been scaled up from a lower resolution, too, given the size of the artifacts, but Blob might have to confirm or deny that for me since I'm not really into graphic design or anything. But that's what it looks like to me, it's both compressed too much and zoomed in too far.

Couldn't Hugh Syme find a better stock image than this to use? Cut off horribly at the bottom, low resolution and blown up, compressed to hell... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 10, 2013, 12:42:30 AM
The artifacts are just compression artifacts from being a jpg file brightened up, not because of the stock image used.

I've just started my own quick mockup of my idea of a "better" cover. Only just started this, and keep in mind this is from scratch, not editing the existing image. Only an hour or two of work in this.
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_cover.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Bolsters on July 10, 2013, 12:48:56 AM
Already better than Syme's.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: novenpeter on July 10, 2013, 01:06:24 AM
A lot better
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 10, 2013, 01:09:18 AM
I hope they call the tour the 'Dream Theatour'. That would be such a win. :lol
Totes :D

I love all the new people in the thread already :heart
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 01:13:16 AM
Oh, yeah, that's way better blob! I love the diamond ring effect!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: PROGdrummer on July 10, 2013, 01:16:52 AM
Thank god youre doing that blob. Please post your final version here if you can. I was afraid i was going to have to fix all this stuff myself just to get a nice album cover . And that would have taken forever with my minimalistic photoshop skills. Your version already looks a million times better lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 10, 2013, 01:17:21 AM
I hope they call the tour the 'Dream Theatour'. That would be such a win. :lol
That was actually my idea:
Dream Theater will be tourning in support of Dream Theater. Groovy.
"Dream Theatour" :P
Great to see so many new people here - welcome, everyone! :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 10, 2013, 01:19:12 AM
Oh, yeah, that's way better blob! I love the diamond ring effect!

That's just a lens flare orb.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 01:24:14 AM
Oh, yeah, that's way better blob! I love the diamond ring effect!

That's just a lens flare orb.

Reproducing a diamond ring effect :D https://diamondringeffect.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/DiamondRingEffect.jpg
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: FrostbiteZ on July 10, 2013, 01:41:17 AM
Have a feeling that the cover is a hoax and the real cover will be unveiled when we get closer to the album release. To me it looks more like a wallpaper than a albumcover
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Onno on July 10, 2013, 01:41:47 AM
Holy shit blob, that's amazing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 10, 2013, 01:46:12 AM
That's a lot better, Blob.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: YtseCullen on July 10, 2013, 01:59:29 AM
At this point I still like the original better than Blob's, but when he's done I'll make my final choice on what option I chose for the album in my phone!
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Post by: BlackInk on July 10, 2013, 02:10:12 AM
Love the album cover, except for the already pointed out cut-out mistake. But at least I love the idea.

Like the track list too. Might sound a bit unusual at first but just like always I'll accept them as legit DT titles after a while. Can't wait for Illumination Theory, sounds awesome. I'm also excited about getting tracks with movements again. Since ADToE has no songs like that and BC&SL only has The Shattered Fortress which is like 0% original music we haven't really had a song with movements since Systematic Chaos.

Also, I am now exactly one album-cycle into my presence here on this forum. My first post was just after the track listing for ADToE was released in which I said I got a strong FII vibe from the song titles. This time I can't really think of another DT album that these titles remind me of, which is good.
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Post by: Aefenwelg on July 10, 2013, 02:10:25 AM
The only thing I think the original does better than Blob's right now is the bright spot in the upper left corner.

Blob's is a lens flare that cuts horizontally all the way across the cover.
I assume it's supposed to be the Sun or something, so I think the light should radiate concentrically.

But other than that, super awesome job.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 10, 2013, 02:55:28 AM
I don't see any problem with the original artwork. It is what it is.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheGreatPretender on July 10, 2013, 03:00:11 AM
And yet you don't see that earth cut off line that cuts through from the leftmost edge of the cover into the logo?
I don't usually care about album art, but I will say that, assuming the music is really good, listening to awesome music that you have been desperately waiting for, that came with poor quality cover art, is kind of like eating a gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake with just the right amount of icing... on a paper plate using a plastic fork...

Well, to be fair, a paper plate and a plastic fork has never in my life prevented me from enjoying gourmet piece of rich, layered chocolate cake...

Dammit, now I want cake!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Vlasto on July 10, 2013, 03:07:27 AM
the original is def. more consistent and nicer to me ...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 10, 2013, 03:15:44 AM
We don't have any info about the packaging, but if the artwork is presented in a matte background with a glossy logo, maybe embossed, then i have my favorite DT cover art. I like the concept, but i'm not so sure i will like the final result.

Track list looks very promising. I am really hyped now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sylvinception on July 10, 2013, 03:57:10 AM
An ugliest artwork than ADTOE and SC ??

YES THEY DID!! :tup

But if the artwork's "poverty" is inversely proportional to the quality of the music, this should be a fucking great album :metal :yarr!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kingshmegland on July 10, 2013, 04:04:15 AM
The artifacts are just compression artifacts from being a jpg file brightened up, not because of the stock image used.

I've just started my own quick mockup of my idea of a "better" cover. Only just started this, and keep in mind this is from scratch, not editing the existing image. Only an hour or two of work in this.
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_cover.jpg)

Lens Flare!  Blob, of course you did. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 04:19:08 AM
JJ Blob  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Nel on July 10, 2013, 04:34:34 AM
On top of the Earth they need a clown riding a unicycle.  :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolfking on July 10, 2013, 05:17:09 AM
Those song titles are fucking amazing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Nefarius on July 10, 2013, 05:21:26 AM
I really like the concept of the artwork, the execution is kinda sloppy though, with very little attention to detail. Except the reflection on the Majesty symbol, I love that, it's perfect

The tracklist ist just what it has been the last few times... it gets the speculative mind going - probably without ever getting close to what breed of song the track will eventually turn out to be. There are a few cool titles and I'm sure we'll have a lot of fun finding possible connections.

I'm slightly annoyed that BlobVanDam tackled an updated version of the cover preview before I could start working on one and pretty much did exactly what I would have tried to do, especially making the planet and the light more realistic and clean. :\ But then again... saved some time and I don't need to do it anymore, so thx! :D

I guess I'll have Blob's planet with a slightly reduced lens flare and his original shaped Majesty logo but glistening with the chrome texture and reflection of the version DT gave us. Oh and I would also add the band's name in the same chrome texture. And some chocolate cake for dessert.

And then bug DT until they use it. :xbones
The cover of course.
Not the cake.
My cake!

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lolzeez on July 10, 2013, 05:21:51 AM
Those song titles are fucking amazing.
They aren't DTlike but they sound fucking epic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 05:24:27 AM
Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 10, 2013, 05:27:45 AM
I don't see any problem with the original artwork. It is what it is.  :facepalm:

The only thing I'd change from the original is the cut-off. I prefer the look of the new Majesty logo and the more subdued look for the whole thing.

Also, I cannot understand why anyone would want to add the band name onto the cover. It'd only take away from how great the cover looks IMO.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaq on July 10, 2013, 05:28:35 AM
Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.

I'm not getting the hate over a band daring to do a minor redesign of their symbol. As if it, or the band logo, or any aspect of their graphic design, has to remain static and eternal. I'm actually more amused that for a time people were threatening to call this the Purple Album because of that artwork on their FB page a few weeks ago. And redoing it to be better, then adding the hilarity of lens flare, just is the icing on this "prog nerds gotta nitpick" cake.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolfking on July 10, 2013, 05:29:31 AM
The idea for the album cover is really good, but it is a little sloppy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 10, 2013, 05:34:12 AM
Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.

I'm not getting the hate over a band daring to do a minor redesign of their symbol. As if it, or the band logo, or any aspect of their graphic design, has to remain static and eternal. I'm actually more amused that for a time people were threatening to call this the Purple Album because of that artwork on their FB page a few weeks ago. And redoing it to be better, then adding the hilarity of lens flare, just is the icing on this "prog nerds gotta nitpick" cake.

It's not about the logo staying the same, it's about the new design looking bad. I actually redesigned the logo for my go at the cover, but it still retains the elements of the original design that make it look nice.
And nobody was "threatening" to call the album the purple album, people just wanted a more distinctive and cool name than...... well, none at all. Just like the black or white album.

I love how every criticism that someone doesn't agree with is suddenly nitpicking.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2013, 05:39:25 AM
Those song titles are fucking amazing.
Yes, incredible.


OK, I was working yesterday and I'm not going back through 19 pages.

What exactly are the issues with the artwork? What's all this about the world being "cut"? How exactly is the Majesty symbol different?
I don't get it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 10, 2013, 05:40:05 AM
Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.

I'm not getting the hate over a band daring to do a minor redesign of their symbol. As if it, or the band logo, or any aspect of their graphic design, has to remain static and eternal. I'm actually more amused that for a time people were threatening to call this the Purple Album because of that artwork on their FB page a few weeks ago. And redoing it to be better, then adding the hilarity of lens flare, just is the icing on this "prog nerds gotta nitpick" cake.

It's not about the logo staying the same, it's about the new design looking bad. I actually redesigned the logo for my go at the cover, but it still retains the elements of the original design that make it look nice.
And nobody was "threatening" to call the album the purple album, people just wanted a more distinctive and cool name than...... well, none at all. Just like the black or white album.

I love how every criticism that someone doesn't agree with is suddenly nitpicking.

Because it is nitpicking. :lol I'm willing to admit I'm nitpicking too with my thoughts on others' recommendations to change the cover and with your take on it too. Having said that, I'm interested in seeing how yours turns up.

Still doesn't change the fact that we're all nitpicking here. :tup

Those song titles are fucking amazing.
Yes, incredible.


OK, I was working yesterday and I'm not going back through 19 pages.

What exactly are the issues with the artwork? What's all this about the world being "cut"? How exactly is the Majesty symbol different?
I don't get it.

You don't want to know. Seriously. Get out and save yourself while you can, TAC! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dellers on July 10, 2013, 05:43:03 AM
I totally wouldn't have noticed the difference between the logos if someone didn't point it out. I do think the one on the new album cover looks better than the old one though, so I'm more than happy with that. The logo has always been pretty cool, but the new version just makes it look "right".
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Bolsters on July 10, 2013, 05:43:53 AM
Those song titles are fucking amazing.
Yes, incredible.


OK, I was working yesterday and I'm not going back through 19 pages.

What exactly are the issues with the artwork? What's all this about the world being "cut"? How exactly is the Majesty symbol different?
I don't get it.
There's an image posted 2-3 pages back outlining all of it, scan for that. I don't want to repost it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 10, 2013, 05:49:56 AM
Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.

I'm not getting the hate over a band daring to do a minor redesign of their symbol. As if it, or the band logo, or any aspect of their graphic design, has to remain static and eternal. I'm actually more amused that for a time people were threatening to call this the Purple Album because of that artwork on their FB page a few weeks ago. And redoing it to be better, then adding the hilarity of lens flare, just is the icing on this "prog nerds gotta nitpick" cake.

It's not about the logo staying the same, it's about the new design looking bad. I actually redesigned the logo for my go at the cover, but it still retains the elements of the original design that make it look nice.
And nobody was "threatening" to call the album the purple album, people just wanted a more distinctive and cool name than...... well, none at all. Just like the black or white album.

I love how every criticism that someone doesn't agree with is suddenly nitpicking.

Because it is nitpicking. :lol I'm willing to admit I'm being nitpicky too with my thoughts on others' recommendations to change the cover and with your take on it too. Having said that, I'm interested in seeing how yours turns up.

Still doesn't change the fact that we're all nitpicking here. :tup

While we are focusing on every tiny detail here, I don't agree that it's all nitpicking. Sure, maybe I'm making it sound like a bit of a bigger deal than it is, but nitpicking implies that it doesn't matter, but to me the presentation of the album matters as part of the whole package, and to me that Majesty logo is truly hideous, and instantly different compared to the old one, no matter how much I get used to it. I don't have a problem with them updating the logo, except that the new logo isn't an improvement imo.

Of course it doesn't affect the quality of the music (hell, IaW has an awful cover, but the album is still amazing), but to me it's still part of the identity of the album, and loving the band as much as I do, I care enough to want their releases to be as good as they can be, in every aspect. :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dodido253 on July 10, 2013, 06:24:10 AM
Nevermind ..
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 10, 2013, 06:31:17 AM
Bad idea to discuss about possible leaks and link to them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dodido253 on July 10, 2013, 06:33:54 AM
Bad idea to discuss about possible leaks and link to them.

Just asking if this is a fake ..
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Thematt202 on July 10, 2013, 06:34:31 AM
Someone's gonna get shouted at!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 06:35:22 AM
For the sake of your permanence here, remove the link as fast as you can.  ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Thematt202 on July 10, 2013, 06:47:01 AM
Generally speaking, isn't it a rather large coincidence that files with track names on them only get leaked immediately after the official track list is revealed?  This would have been much more convincing had it been uploaded at any point prior to yesterday's announcement.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: therev on July 10, 2013, 06:50:37 AM
Hi guys.
My very first impression about the tracklist and the cover album yesterday, was soon splitted to rush's "hemispheres"
the tracklist composition and the 35th anniversary of this album, gave me a road about the DT " inspiration corner"..I like the cover, I hoped in a simple coverart just with the DT font and a black background, and here it is!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 10, 2013, 06:56:49 AM
Generally speaking, isn't it a rather large coincidence that files with track names on them only get leaked immediately after the official track list is revealed?  This would have been much more convincing had it been uploaded at any point prior to yesterday's announcement.
Precisely, and the dude only joined youtube yesterday.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Flacracker on July 10, 2013, 06:59:41 AM
That edge cut off to me just looks like the way a ray of light can hit your eye and get cut off like that. None of you have seen this before when looking at some lights?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 07:01:18 AM
Well, I didn't notice the cut until somebody inverted the colors. It's sloppy, yeah, but it's not outrageously evident, come on!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 10, 2013, 07:11:58 AM
The question is if it's noticeable in the print, and i don't think it will be.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: unklejman on July 10, 2013, 07:13:53 AM

It's not about the logo staying the same, it's about the new design looking bad. I actually redesigned the logo for my go at the cover, but it still retains the elements of the original design that make it look nice.

It's all subjective. I like the new design better, and consider nothing about the old one nice. I'm also a professional artist, so it's not about having an eye for it or not.

That edge cut off to me just looks like the way a ray of light can hit your eye and get cut off like that. None of you have seen this before when looking at some lights?

To me it looks like the artist took a stock image where the planets highlight was on an angle, and rotated the image to make the planet horizontal.


The question is if it's noticeable in the print, and i don't think it will be.

Bingo, we have a winner. Most people have their monitors set too brightly. Mine are pretty much calibrated to sRGB and I can still see it a little...
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Post by: Setebos on July 10, 2013, 07:22:20 AM
Well, I didn't notice the cut until somebody inverted the colors. It's sloppy, yeah, but it's not outrageously evident, come on!  :biggrin:
That depends on the device you're using to view it. I'm using quite a high brightness setting for my screen and with that the cut is clearly visible even without modifications to the image.
I really hope, it isn't visible on the final cover -- even though I'm not exactly a graphics nut, this little issue really bothers me quite a bit. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 10, 2013, 07:29:22 AM
Hi all! I love having this forum to read on the train ride to work. Makes my commute much more enjoyable. :biggrin:

Well, I didn't notice the cut until somebody inverted the colors.
This. And the sad thing is I have an associate's degree in graphic design, so it's pathetic I didn't notice it. :facepalm: Still, it isn't evident on my phone, so I'm okay with it for now. I do hope that they touch it up more simply because for those people who have a brighter display and will see the seam. I have a two monitor spread here at my job and on the one the gamma is turned up much higher and I can see the line. On my phone it's fine though so I'm not particularly concerned.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 10, 2013, 07:30:46 AM
Well, I didn't notice the cut until somebody inverted the colors. It's sloppy, yeah, but it's not outrageously evident, come on!  :biggrin:
That depends on the device you're using to view it. I'm using quite a high brightness setting for my screen and with that the cut is clearly visible even without modifications to the image.
I really hope, it isn't visible on the final cover -- even though I'm not exactly a graphics nut, this little issue really bothers me quite a bit. :lol
I didn't notice it at ALL on first inspection, and thought it looked super badass. Now it's blatantly protrusive to my eyes. I cannot NOT see it.
Track titles have me incredibly hyped for this though...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 10, 2013, 07:35:58 AM
Good that we cannot turn up the gamma on the final print.  ;)
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Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 07:36:56 AM
And it will be 12x12 cm and probably barely noticeable.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 10, 2013, 07:39:12 AM
Good that we cannot turn up the gamma on the final print.  ;)
Hey, with advanced to technology and medicine, that might end up being a possibility at some point.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 07:39:32 AM
Well, I didn't notice the cut until somebody inverted the colors. It's sloppy, yeah, but it's not outrageously evident, come on!  :biggrin:

Indeed. Lets blow up the pic - whack up the brightness and invert it and point out any small errors that most people don't care about and you probably won't even see on the final cd booklet sized pic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 10, 2013, 07:45:14 AM
On the other hand, i find it a subpar delivery for a probably very well paid job... I like the concept, but if i were a professional, given the zillions of planetary wallpapers available on the internet, i would have taken a lot more care.

Even if it works on the print, there will be images on the web, and as a graphic designer he should be aware that most of the people crank up the brightness and contrast on the monitors.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 10, 2013, 07:58:33 AM
Generally speaking, isn't it a rather large coincidence that files with track names on them only get leaked immediately after the official track list is revealed?  This would have been much more convincing had it been uploaded at any point prior to yesterday's announcement.
Precisely, and the dude only joined youtube yesterday.
I feel I should address this now.

Discussion of leaked DT material, even hinting at its existence, is strictly forbidden here. Yes, there are likely to be lots of fake leaks over the next couple of months, particularly given yesterday's announcement of artwork and tracklisting, and yes it's very fun to mock them for how unrealistic they are. But there is a reasonable probability of a real leak at some point nearer to the release, and so from this point on we don't want to see any discussion of possible/fake leaks either.

Just stick with things that are officially released. If you do that, you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Curious Orange on July 10, 2013, 08:13:39 AM
Well, I don't like the cover. But I don't hate it either. I imagine the "Dream Theater" logo will be along the left-hand hinge/tray bit?

But I love the way people thing they know what the songs will sound like based on nothing but the title. It'll be interesting to see how right or wrong they are... :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: aprilethereal on July 10, 2013, 08:14:21 AM
That cutoff thing really bugs me now :\

And Along For The Ride reminds me of The Count Of Tuscany. I hope we won't get at TCOT part 2 lyric wise.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 10, 2013, 08:20:19 AM
ARIICH YOU ARE MY HERO
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: erciccio on July 10, 2013, 08:29:44 AM
I think the cutoff was made on purpose.
And I'm looking forward to understand why... :loser:

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 10, 2013, 08:31:01 AM
It's a reference to Pull Me Under and its sudden cutoff :justjen
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 08:34:22 AM
I like the cover.  The proportions on the majesty logo do not bother me at all.  It is still clearly and distinctively the majesty logo.  The cutoff does not bother me either.  On a physical album cover, I doubt you would even be able to see it.  The problem is, we are looking at it on computer monitors, and that some of you apparently have your brightness turned up to where it is obvious.  On my settings, I can't even see it.

That said, I like Blob's version quite a bit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 10, 2013, 08:35:35 AM
It's a reference to Pull Me Under and its sudden cutoff :justjen

:rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: emtee on July 10, 2013, 08:39:25 AM
There must be some reason for having the planet/earth/orb (whatever it is) on the cover as opposed to just the Majesty logo by
itself. They never do anything w/o thinking about it. I'm sure it will tie into the theme somehow.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 10, 2013, 08:47:02 AM
I think the cutoff was made on purpose.
And I'm looking forward to understand why... :loser:

If it's Hugh Syme, I wouldn't be too surprised if it was just laziness. However this thought had also occurred to me. If that's the case, it'd remind me a little bit of Genesis' Trespass, when the artist made a large cut through the original painting after the band had added in the song 'The Knife'. However, I wouldn't say that it's all that effective in this case.

Then again, some epic detail might be revealed where the cutoff represents something from the lyrics and completely change opinions on the whole thing. :lol

There must be some reason for having the planet/earth/orb (whatever it is) on the cover as opposed to just the Majesty logo by
itself. They never do anything w/o thinking about it. I'm sure it will tie into the theme somehow.

I'm guessing two things:

- The band wanted the cover artwork for this album to be similar in nature to the cover artwork for Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon
- It ties into lyrics from the album, possibly Illumination Theory, based on the light at the left side of the cover.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GasparXR on July 10, 2013, 08:52:22 AM
Was it actually confirmed that Hugh Syme did the artwork?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 10, 2013, 08:54:02 AM
Was it actually confirmed that Hugh Syme did the artwork?

As far as I know, no it wasn't.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: aprilethereal on July 10, 2013, 08:56:48 AM
There must be some reason for having the planet/earth/orb (whatever it is) on the cover as opposed to just the Majesty logo by
itself. They never do anything w/o thinking about it. I'm sure it will tie into the theme somehow.

Just like the unicyclist tied into the theme on ADTOE
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 10, 2013, 08:57:01 AM
As a new DT fan I feel I'm allowed to ask, did Hugh Syme do the artwork for all the previous albums, or were there any other artists?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 10, 2013, 09:00:04 AM
As a new DT fan I feel I'm allowed to ask, did Hugh Syme do the artwork for all the previous albums, or were there any other artists?

Hugh Syme has done all of DT's album covers from Octavarium onwards. Fairly sure he didn't do any prior to that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 10, 2013, 09:05:50 AM
There must be some reason for having the planet/earth/orb (whatever it is) on the cover as opposed to just the Majesty logo by
itself. They never do anything w/o thinking about it. I'm sure it will tie into the theme somehow.

Just like the unicyclist tied into the theme on ADTOE

Yes, actually. Considering the album was going to be called 'Bridges in the Sky' first, the unicyclist on the rope high up in the sky fit with the theme very well. Only when DT decided to use BITS as the song title, instead of 'The Shaman's Trance', which it was called originally and changed the album title to ADTOE, the rope was made to be broken, tying in with the new album title.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlastParadigm on July 10, 2013, 09:09:25 AM
It's a really good bet that Hugh did the cover.
But if it was indeed Hugh, then I gotta admit, he's probably reaching a state of irreversible laziness.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 10, 2013, 09:12:21 AM
There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well? Am I gathering this properly or is that just my perception?

Also, which album do you think has the best art?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 09:17:24 AM
There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well?

I wouldn't go that far.  I think it's more that a subset of fans who post on an Internet forum don't like his art.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 10, 2013, 09:21:07 AM
There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well?

I wouldn't go that far.  I think it's more that a subset of fans who post on an Internet forum don't like his art.

Ah okay. Because I never had a complaint about the album art. I would say some of it wasn't especially good but some of them I really like. That's why I figured I'd ask. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mister Gold on July 10, 2013, 09:25:09 AM
There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well? Am I gathering this properly or is that just my perception?

On the contrary, I personally think Hugh Symes has made some downright fantastic artwork for a lot of great albums in the past. Some of my all time favorite album covers were done by him. But in recent years, especially for the more recent DT albums, he seems to have lost his touch a bit.

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Also, which album do you think has the best art?

Definitely 6DoIT. However, I'm also loving the look and concept of the new cover too. I'm only hoping that the cutoff is fixed by the time the end product comes out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 10, 2013, 09:25:56 AM
There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well?

I wouldn't go that far.  I think it's more that a subset of fans who post on an Internet forum don't like his art.
I think it is more accurate to say that he appears less committed on the artwork he has done for DT than for the bigger-named acts for whom he has produced album art.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JPX on July 10, 2013, 09:26:54 AM
The artifacts are just compression artifacts from being a jpg file brightened up, not because of the stock image used.

I've just started my own quick mockup of my idea of a "better" cover. Only just started this, and keep in mind this is from scratch, not editing the existing image. Only an hour or two of work in this.
(https://www.blobvandam.com/link/dt12_cover.jpg)

Really not a fan of this, sorry.

The logo now looks really flat, and the outline on the upper portion of the logo doesn't look correct.
The lens flair detracts from the composition and washes out the entire image.
The only improvement to me is the image used for the planet.

I appreciate the time you put into it though. I just happen to love the cover the way it was.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 10, 2013, 09:28:42 AM
I've enjoyed reading all the commentary in this thread over the course of the last 24 hours. Funny to see how heated people can get over the artwork. Blob obviously takes this kind of thing seriously, understandably given his own background, so I understand why he would react the strongest. It's been interesting to see everyone else's reactions though. I myself never even cared enough to look at the past majesty logo to the point where I could distinguish between the two now. Of course, now that it has been pointed out, I can see the differences pretty clearly. I still don't care, and I'm surprised by the amount of people who do. I'm not critiquing, it's just curious.

Another thing I've found interesting is all the comments stating that the tracklist doesn't feel very Dream Theater esque. While I understand that these comments come from a place of great excitement, I can't say I agree. Besides the obvious French movement title, the only other title that doesn't feel very 'Dream Theater' to me is Enigma Machine which is, by the way, a really cool name IMO. The rest of the track names seem very much fitting for the kind of music Dream Theater produces, and the names they've used in the past. Maybe someone can clear this up for me, but I could see these names being stuck into any of Dream Theater's past albums and not seeming out of place in the slightest (with the obvious exception of SFAM)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Rattlehead on July 10, 2013, 09:36:17 AM
I find it funny that criticizing the cover automatically makes you a prog nerd  :lol It reminds me of when I read somewhere that anyone that doesn't like ADToE is a Portnoy fanboy. Seems like the people defending the album cover are getting more heated than those criticizing it if you ask me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlackInk on July 10, 2013, 09:39:59 AM
^ Or that not liking Systematic Chaos and BC&SL means that you "don't understand music". That one was fun.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 10, 2013, 09:41:17 AM
I myself haven't defended or critiqued it. Personally, I like the way it looks from my very superficial perspective, and will just leave it at that. Different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 10, 2013, 09:41:24 AM
As a new DT fan I feel I'm allowed to ask, did Hugh Syme do the artwork for all the previous albums, or were there any other artists?

Hugh Syme has done all of DT's album covers from Octavarium onwards. Fairly sure he didn't do any prior to that.
Time for some history!

Images and Awake were done by Larry Freemantle, who is not Hugh Syme, but managed to do a pretty good imitation. I don't know if Freemantle has had much of a career doing album art since then.

FII was created by Storm Thorgerson who is a huge name and who's done so many great album covers, from both classic and modern bands alike. I'm pretty sure he's dead now, unfortunately.

Dave McKean did SFAM. He's a pretty well-respected artist. Not sure who did SDOIT.

Jerry Uelsmann did Train of Thought. I just looked that up. BTW, he also did the intro to The Outer Limits, which is a cool tidbit for people who pointed out the similarities a few days ago.
Since then, it's been all Hugh Syme.

There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well?

I wouldn't go that far.  I think it's more that a subset of fans who post on an Internet forum don't like his art.
I think it is more accurate to say that he appears less committed on the artwork he has done for DT than for the bigger-named acts for whom he has produced album art.
Yeah, although I'm under the impression that he sends artwork and DT just choose from it, so I'm not sure how that works.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Implode on July 10, 2013, 09:43:10 AM
Dangarang, you guys. Now the album art looks like crap to me.  :lol

Hopefully the jpg artifacts are from the facebook upload compression or something, and I hope they fix that cut off.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 10, 2013, 09:43:29 AM
Thanks to PC for the facts!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lucidity on July 10, 2013, 09:44:50 AM
Can I just quietly say that I love the cover art for Octavarium and Systematic Chaos  :-X
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 10, 2013, 09:46:26 AM
FII was created by Storm Thorgerson who is a huge name and who's done so many great album covers, from both classic and modern bands alike. I'm pretty sure he's dead now, unfortunately.

That's too bad, FII has always been my favorite DT cover
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlastParadigm on July 10, 2013, 09:47:07 AM
There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well? Am I gathering this properly or is that just my perception?

Also, which album do you think has the best art?

He does great art, but sometimes he doesn't execute as well as he used to. He did almost every Rush album cover, and those are some amazing covers.
The art for the new DT album is great, but that cut off should be fixed because, you know... it's kind of visible.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 10, 2013, 09:47:39 AM
Can I just quietly say that I love the cover art for Octavarium and Systematic Chaos  :-X

Me too! I think they're among DT's better ones, even with the little flaws. I really didn't like BCASL or ADTOE's covers though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JPX on July 10, 2013, 09:49:46 AM
Time for some history!

Images and Awake were done by Larry Freemantle, who is not Hugh Syme, but managed to do a pretty good imitation. I don't know if Freemantle has had much of a career doing album art since then.

FII was created by Storm Thorgerson who is a huge name and who's done so many great album covers, from both classic and modern bands alike. I'm pretty sure he's dead now, unfortunately.

Dave McKean did SFAM. He's a pretty well-respected artist. Not sure who did SDOIT.

Jerry Uelsmann did Train of Thought. I just looked that up. BTW, he also did the intro to The Outer Limits, which is a cool tidbit for people who pointed out the similarities a few days ago.
Since then, it's been all Hugh Syme.

Dung Hoang did SDoiT. He's still active and his work is still awesome. SDoiT is my favorite DT album design by far.

https://www.shaolinfury.com/category/journal/ (https://www.shaolinfury.com/category/journal/)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 10:15:01 AM
Good info on the album covers, guys.  I am putting that information into the FAQ thread.  For completeness, does anyone know who did the ones for WDADU and ACOS?  I am assuming ACOS is Freemantle, but I don't know for sure.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Implode on July 10, 2013, 10:16:25 AM
Can I just quietly say that I love the cover art for Octavarium and Systematic Chaos  :-X

Octavarium is still my favorite of theirs despite its flaws.  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 10, 2013, 10:20:56 AM
Good info on the album covers, guys.  I am putting that information into the FAQ thread.  For completeness, does anyone know who did the ones for WDADU and ACOS?  I am assuming ACOS is Freemantle, but I don't know for sure.
I can chec linear notes later. I think DTs label at the time did all that stuff in house. I think.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dellers on July 10, 2013, 10:21:06 AM
Good info on the album covers, guys.  I am putting that information into the FAQ thread.  For completeness, does anyone know who did the ones for WDADU and ACOS?  I am assuming ACOS is Freemantle, but I don't know for sure.
According to the Wikipedia article about him Storm Thorgerson did the ACOS cover.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 10, 2013, 10:21:17 AM
Can I just quietly say that I love the cover art for Octavarium and Systematic Chaos  :-X

Octavarium is still my favorite of theirs despite its flaws.  :)

I also love the art for Octavarium. I also really like ToT and ADTOE, but I'm not looking at them with a critiquing eye. I just find them visually the most appealing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 10, 2013, 10:23:10 AM
Good info on the album covers, guys.  I am putting that information into the FAQ thread.  For completeness, does anyone know who did the ones for WDADU and ACOS?  I am assuming ACOS is Freemantle, but I don't know for sure.
According to the Wikipedia article about him Storm Thorgerson did the ACOS cover.
From the ACOS booklet:
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Cover Concept: Mike Portnoy
Art Direction: Larry Freemantle
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheAtliator on July 10, 2013, 10:23:47 AM
You guys are crazy.. I've always thought every single DT cover was incredibly great except for having to see the shirtless guy on WDADU. Every cover has such fantastic concept, and is put across perfectly well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 10, 2013, 10:43:26 AM
Just seems like Syne's work (at least for DT) is getting so lazy, less detail in them these days... They don't seem as descriptive or ambitious and they are decreasing on both of them each time...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 10, 2013, 10:48:08 AM
According to Lifting Shadows, the cover for WDADU was done by New York artist Amy Guip.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 10:48:27 AM
Well, in all fairness the ACOS cover looked nothing like any work by Storm Thorgerson ;D

I guess I like FII the most, but it's really close. On some other day I could have said TOT, or even Images!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: emtee on July 10, 2013, 10:50:14 AM
Don't you think the band fed him the concept and asked for something minimalist...and upon seeing it loved it signed off on it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Hanz Gruber on July 10, 2013, 10:51:30 AM
I wonder if "Along For the Ride" is the instrumental.  Sounds like a good title for a crazy instrumental that jumps around everywhere
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Big Hath on July 10, 2013, 10:53:51 AM
I wonder if "Along For the Ride" is the instrumental.  Sounds like a good title for a crazy instrumental that jumps around everywhere

the title makes me think of a Dixie Dregs song, or some kind of fusiony song from Chick Corea or Dave Weckl.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 11:05:36 AM


Really not a fan of this, sorry.

The logo now looks really flat, and the outline on the upper portion of the logo doesn't look correct.
The lens flair detracts from the composition and washes out the entire image.
The only improvement to me is the image used for the planet.

I appreciate the time you put into it though. I just happen to love the cover the way it was.

All of this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Super Dude on July 10, 2013, 11:06:20 AM
Some of the titles are pretty lol, but honestly, who cares? We like DT for what the songs sound like, not how pretty the cover looks. It's cool to have standards and whatever, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to affect your choice to buy the album or not the way the actual songs will. And they're not going to change the names or artwork because a bunch of people on the internet start bitching about it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dream Team on July 10, 2013, 11:21:17 AM
There's really only a few titles over the past decade that I'm not fond of, usually because of being too generic or too awkward:

Build Me Up, Break Me Down
This is the Life
The Best of Times
Constant Motion
The Answer Lies Within
I Walk Beside You
Panic Attack

I think the only one of the new ones that sounds a little awkward is False Awakening Suite. The "Suite" should have been dropped, or something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 10, 2013, 11:23:14 AM
Some of the titles are pretty lol, but honestly, who cares? We like DT for what the songs sound like, not how pretty the cover looks. It's cool to have standards and whatever, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to affect your choice to buy the album or not the way the actual songs will. And they're not going to change the names or artwork because a bunch of people on the internet start bitching about it.
This 100% :tup

Come on people. Stop bitching and whining. We're all starting to sound like a bunch of children who asked for cake and got cookies instead. Artwork is a done deal. Every time I come to the forum and see more people saying how the artwork isn't what they'd hope for, that they really don't like it, or that they could have done a better job, all I'm hearing is Never Enough. The lyrics are very fitting for how we the fans are behaving right now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: KevShmev on July 10, 2013, 11:23:43 AM
Are we really gonna quibble about some of these song titles supposedly sounding pretentious?  I mean, this is the same band that named one of their albums Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :lol :lol

Besides, if the song titles were too ordinary, then people would bitch about them sounding too vanilla.  It's not like anything on this album immediately sounds as blatantly absurd as The Count of Tuscany. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 10, 2013, 11:26:10 AM
Some of the titles are pretty lol, but honestly, who cares? We like DT for what the songs sound like, not how pretty the cover looks. It's cool to have standards and whatever, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not going to affect your choice to buy the album or not the way the actual songs will. And they're not going to change the names or artwork because a bunch of people on the internet start bitching about it.
This 100% :tup

Come on people. Stop bitching and whining. We're all starting to sound like a bunch of children who asked for cake and got cookies instead. Artwork is a done deal. Every time I come to the forum and see more people saying how the artwork isn't what they'd hope for, that they really don't like it, or that they could have done a better job, all I'm hearing is Never Enough. The lyrics are very fitting for how we the fans are behaving right now.

is the new cover art your brand new floor lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: snapple on July 10, 2013, 11:28:23 AM
If Mike Portnoy had still been in the band, we wouldn't be getting an album with subpar album art and 13-year old inspired song names.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 10, 2013, 11:30:04 AM
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_4529_1365520851.jpeg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Podaar on July 10, 2013, 11:30:08 AM
Pretentious

(https://loveisover.me/foolfuuka/boards/v/image/1367/99/1367990348742.jpg)

If Mike Portnoy had still been in the band, we wouldn't be getting an album with subpar album art and 13-year old inspired song names.
12 year old is more likely.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 10, 2013, 11:31:47 AM
Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.


Me too (https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/images/smilies/confused-smiley-013.gif)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Letter M on July 10, 2013, 11:32:24 AM
Are we really gonna quibble about some of these song titles supposedly sounding pretentious?  I mean, this is the same band that named one of their albums Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :lol :lol

Besides, if the song titles were too ordinary, then people would bitch about them sounding too vanilla.  It's not like anything on this album immediately sounds as blatantly absurd as The Count of Tuscany. :lol

True! Besides, they could have named it like something a Coheed And Cambria album title would be...throw in a number or two, a colon, a subtitle, parenthesis, maybe an asterisk...then at the very end, just to mess with everyone, throw in "Part 1".

Yeah...

I think the titles are right in the same vein as the band's lat 5 albums. Lots of "The _________" and some interesting ones like "Enigma Machine" (which would've been cooler if they combined it into "Enigmachine" but that's just me) and "Illumination Theory".

If Mike Portnoy had still been in the band, we wouldn't be getting an album with subpar album art and 13-year old inspired song names.

As opposed to what... "Prophets Of War", "In The Presence Of Enemies", "The Dark Eternal Night", "Never Enough", "I Walk Beside You", "A Nightmare To Remember", "The Best Of Times", "Octavarium", "In The Name Of God", etc. etc.

The titles are good, and we can't fully judge their worth until we hear the music and listen to the lyrics. Would "Bridges In The Sky" be taken differently had it kept it's prior name of "The Shaman's Trance"?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 11:33:00 AM
Meh - I still prefer the original album cover.


Me too (https://www.kirksnosehair.com/Portals/0/images/smilies/confused-smiley-013.gif)

:hifive:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 10, 2013, 11:40:33 AM
There's really only a few titles over the past decade that I'm not fond of, usually because of being too generic or too awkward:

Build Me Up, Break Me Down
This is the Life
The Best of Times
Constant Motion
The Answer Lies Within
I Walk Beside You
Panic Attack

I think the only one of the new ones that sounds a little awkward is False Awakening Suite. The "Suite" should have been dropped, or something.

See I find The Best of Times, Constant Motion, and The Answer Lies Within to be nice titles. I agree with you about the others. And I'll probably get used to calling it False Awakening Suite but first impressions are it's a tad awkward to say.

(https://loveisover.me/foolfuuka/boards/v/image/1367/99/1367990348742.jpg)

 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 10, 2013, 11:44:16 AM
Well, in all fairness the ACOS cover looked nothing like any work by Storm Thorgerson ;D



Also, Storm Thorgerson refused to use existing fonts/logos.  That's why FII and OiaLT don't have the normal DT logo on them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 10, 2013, 12:00:24 PM
Based on what JP said about the new album being self-titled, I wasn't expecting anything different from the actual artwork. It's very clear and simple, like: "we are Dream Theater and that's enough". I have in mind that this art may represent exactly what they meant to show musically speaking...something direct, concise, and new.
That artwork, also reminds me of that "new ground" JP talked about...I'm saying this again: my expectations are very high, Dream Theater never dissapointed me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 12:02:00 PM
Maybe this art is the slip case, and there will be different art underneath.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 10, 2013, 12:03:23 PM
Maybe this art is the slip case, and there will be different art underneath.

Beneath the surface?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 10, 2013, 12:06:48 PM
I think the artwork for WDADU was done by someone they grabbed hanging outside the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 12:12:12 PM
I think the artwork for WDADU was done by someone they grabbed hanging outside the studio.

I imagine it isn't one of his fondest memories.

"Hey dad, tell us about the time you were dragged into a recording studio and threatened with a branding iron."
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 10, 2013, 12:15:49 PM
I LOVE the concept of the cover... but not crazy about the execution... especially after Blob had to go pointing all that out :lol

Also, I do like Blob's version but not sure if I like it better...

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Chino on July 10, 2013, 12:17:03 PM
Why does the Earth get cut through the middle?  ???

(https://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5373/lqm2.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 10, 2013, 12:17:49 PM
Welcome to the last 17 pages.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 12:19:19 PM
Why does the Earth get cut through the middle?  ???

(https://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5373/lqm2.jpg)

Because right below that point was the word SAMPLE.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: snapple on July 10, 2013, 12:26:00 PM
hah, Zook. You made a funny.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 12:28:21 PM
Oh yeah, you don't like me. It's cause I'm black isn't it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: snapple on July 10, 2013, 12:29:28 PM
Oh yeah, you don't like me. It's cause I'm black isn't it?

We don't take kindly to you 'round these parts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 12:33:29 PM
Well I agreed to use a coloreds only sub forum, but you haven't created it yet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Aythesryche on July 10, 2013, 12:47:03 PM
Would be neat if that album cover flaw caused a delay with the albums release day.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 10, 2013, 12:52:11 PM
Maybe this art is the slip case, and there will be different art underneath.

Beneath the surface?

:D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 10, 2013, 01:00:10 PM
I hope they call the tour the 'Dream Theatour'. That would be such a win. :lol
That was actually my idea:
Dream Theater will be tourning in support of Dream Theater. Groovy.
"Dream Theatour" :P
Awww I didn't see that! hahaha. Damn.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: PROGdrummer on July 10, 2013, 01:02:03 PM
Would be neat if that album cover flaw caused a delay with the albums release day.

leave
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GasparXR on July 10, 2013, 01:04:13 PM
Would be neat if that album cover flaw caused a delay with the albums release day.

And then we would complain about the delay that we caused ourselves. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 10, 2013, 01:06:57 PM
Would be neat if that album cover flaw caused a delay with the albums release day.

And then we would complain about the delay that we caused ourselves. :lol

That would be amazing devastating
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 10, 2013, 01:21:52 PM
has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 10, 2013, 01:25:24 PM
If Mike Portnoy had still been in the band, we wouldn't be getting an album with subpar album art and 13-year old inspired song names.
If Mike Portnoy was still in the band, they'd still be on hiatus for another two years and you wouldn't be getting anything.   :yeahright
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: PROGdrummer on July 10, 2013, 01:25:46 PM
Do you think the band knows just how worked up we are over that stupid line in the album cover? lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Octawakeimages on July 10, 2013, 01:36:42 PM
I love the DT12 cover.  Just not sure what to think yet about the cutoff.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: emtee on July 10, 2013, 01:41:45 PM
The line that seperates the light from the dark is called the Terminator Line. Maybe DT played Bezzerwizzer like I did :)

Fun fact.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MarkFitDT on July 10, 2013, 01:43:38 PM
has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.

That is a very good point - has anyone done this? The cut off is so obvious.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 10, 2013, 01:47:27 PM
The question is if it's noticeable in the print, and i don't think it will be.

Bingo, we have a winner. Most people have their monitors set too brightly. Mine are pretty much calibrated to sRGB and I can still see it a little...
True, but I just downloaded it, converted the image to CMYK in Photoshop using the standard settings and I'm pretty sure that it WILL be *at least* slightly visible in the printed product. It is most obvious in the black channel, which obviously is the darkest of the colors and therefore where it will be the most telling. Not good.

Here's hoping that the guys in DT will read this thread (I'm betting they have, at least in a cursory fashion), seen Blob's first attempt at redoing the cover art and will replace what they have with whatever his final attempt is. I know there's a snowball's chance in hell of that ever happening, but one can hope.

The cover artwork being somewhat sloppy has been something that I e-mailed MP about each time the (Hugh Syme) art was released, since there were flaws in it, but aside from the 8v artwork (which theoretically wasn't the finished piece anyway), he rebuffed my criticisms/suggestions and said that if the other guys in the band had been aware of what I was saying, that they would have been even more offended, despite the fact that my comments were meant to improve what was already there. Not sure why it was such a big deal, since the DT *is* the customer and when specific flaws are pointed out, they have every right to get them corrected. That's the exact reason why I fixed the artwork when doing stuff for the band, specifically the 20th Anniversary Octavarium art (the ball at the end being the wrong angle) and the Black Clouds and Silver Anniversary poster, and by extension, the new Lifting Shadows book cover art (the shadows being incorrect/missing and the perspective of the majesty symbol being way off).

Anyway, I'm looking forward to see what Blob puts together with some more time - I'm sure it will be even better than his first round attempt, which was a definite step up from what is official.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lyfeternl on July 10, 2013, 01:50:03 PM
has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.

That is a very good point - has anyone done this? The cut off is so obvious.

I actually find it sad that people are getting so worked up by this album art issue that they're even considering the need to speak with DT's record label to address this "travesty"...  :facepalm:

Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 10, 2013, 01:53:23 PM
has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.

That is a very good point - has anyone done this? The cut off is so obvious.

I actually find it sad that people are getting so worked up by this album art issue that they're even considering the need to speak with DT's record label to address this "travesty"...  :facepalm:

Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?

It's too fun.  I've never seen anything like it!    :corn    :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 10, 2013, 01:55:24 PM
There seems to be a general consensus that Hugh isn't very good at album art? Or that he doesn't execute well?

I wouldn't go that far.  I think it's more that a subset of fans who post on an Internet forum don't like his art.
I think it is more accurate to say that he appears less committed on the artwork he has done for DT than for the bigger-named acts for whom he has produced album art.
Yes and no - even some of his art for Rush is a bit poor. I know there's at least 1 or 2 images from Clockwork Angels that looked like they were lowres and were enlarged. And if you look at the tourbook for the last few tours, the design of them pale in comparison to the ones he did from 1994 through 2004. Nevermind the tourbook he did for A Dramatic Tour of Events.

I love Hugh's old artwork, but he definitely has gotten sloppy within the last 5 to 10 years, which really sucks, IMO.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 10, 2013, 01:58:35 PM
I actually find it sad that people are getting so worked up by this album art issue that they're even considering the need to speak with DT's record label to address this "travesty"...  :facepalm:

Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?

It's too fun.  I've never seen anything like it!    :corn    :lol

Pass the popcorn! :corn This is a wonderful distraction from work.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: matte.braso on July 10, 2013, 02:00:43 PM
nobody noticed it, but in 'Studio ep.1' min. 1.15 we had a preview of the cover on Mangini's pc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIjhQhm1JvU&feature=player_detailpage#t=75s







I know, it's Yes' Fragile ;D....
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 10, 2013, 02:05:40 PM
Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
Can we not express our concern over an overlooked flaw that could be easily fixed before it makes it to the manufacturing stage?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: emtee on July 10, 2013, 02:09:47 PM
When you guys say "cutoff line" are you talking about the line bisecting the planet? If so it seems to me that it is intentional. Maybe
you are talking about something else I don't see.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 10, 2013, 02:13:20 PM
When you guys say "cutoff line" are you talking about the line bisecting the planet? If so it seems to me that it is intentional. Maybe
you are talking about something else I don't see.

The diagonal line as seen here:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 10, 2013, 02:14:17 PM
has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.

That is a very good point - has anyone done this? The cut off is so obvious.

I actually find it sad that people are getting so worked up by this album art issue that they're even considering the need to speak with DT's record label to address this "travesty"...  :facepalm:

Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
I absolutely HATE when they get hounded over not releasing info and announcements etc. In this particular case, in my opinion, there is an issue of product quality control. Even just typing that, I can see how that can come across as a little farfetched. In reality, someone is getting paid to do a half ass job for something that is essentially going to be purchased by however many thousands of people. By poor quality, I don't mean artistic laziness, I mean laziness of engaging in due diligence and professionalism for something that is considered a luxury good (not in the sense of high price, but in the sense that it's a superior good rather than an inferior good #microeconomicsanddreamtheatercoverwhatismylifeanyway)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: emtee on July 10, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
When you guys say "cutoff line" are you talking about the line bisecting the planet? If so it seems to me that it is intentional. Maybe
you are talking about something else I don't see.

The diagonal line as seen here:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)


I honestly thought that was 100% intentional and represented the Terminator line which seperates the light from the dark and I
figured it played into the Illumination Theory in some way. It's far too obvious to be a flaw. Isn't it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: snapple on July 10, 2013, 02:16:35 PM
I took it that way, too, emtee.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 10, 2013, 02:17:27 PM
Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?
Can we not express our concern over an overlooked flaw that could be easily fixed before it makes it to the manufacturing stage?

Honest question:  As a band, does Dream Theater have so much concern for what the masses think of their album covers?

If so, they are much more down-to-earth than I'd ever imagine a group of "celebrities" (for lack of a better word) would be.  As mentioned, I am a very new fan of this band but not of music/musicians in general.  I find it interesting that anyone would think they'd care what fans think about such things.

Most folks produce the music/art they want, when they want to, call the songs/titles whatever they wish and charge the prices they please for the privilege.

Maybe DT isn't like that....   ???



Maybe I'm just projecting my signature line....    :-\
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MarkFitDT on July 10, 2013, 02:21:11 PM
has anyone/should someone inform RR/DT about the cover? e.g. messaging the RR people on twitter about the line through the cover? maybe they can pass that on to whoever it concerns(?). I know it's only the cover but it might be worth drawing to their attention.

That is a very good point - has anyone done this? The cut off is so obvious.

I actually find it sad that people are getting so worked up by this album art issue that they're even considering the need to speak with DT's record label to address this "travesty"...  :facepalm:

Can we not just appreciate the fact that we have some updates to enjoy while we close the gap on September 24?

Firstly, I certainly am not sad and neither am I worked up about it and if nothing is changed then it wont stop me from buying the CD. I do appreciate the information they are releasing but I fail to see what that has to do with the "issue". I can only speak for myself but I would like to think anybody who mentioned it to RoadRunner would be doing it to ask them to see if there is a valid issue and could they improve it before any booklets are printed etc. with a view to improving their end product.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Perpetual Change on July 10, 2013, 02:25:01 PM
Honest question:  As a band, does Dream Theater have so much concern for what the masses think of their album covers?

If so, they are much more down-to-earth than I'd ever imagine a group of "celebrities" (for lack of a better word) would be.  As mentioned, I am a very new fan of this band but not of music/musicians in general.  I find it interesting that anyone would think they'd care what fans think about such things.

For the guys in Dream Theater, the Dream Theater band is their livelihood and main source of income.

I think it should be pretty obvious that each member cares about the quality of their brand, and what their fans think of it. I don't think that makes them "typical celebrities" or less worthy of support at all. They are entertainers, not starving artists. 

There are people who do create art without any regard for what people think about it, but usually those people have cozy tenured positions in academia for when things don't work out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 10, 2013, 02:25:39 PM
When you guys say "cutoff line" are you talking about the line bisecting the planet? If so it seems to me that it is intentional. Maybe
you are talking about something else I don't see.

The diagonal line as seen here:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/BlobVanDam/dt12.jpg)
I honestly thought that was 100% intentional and represented the Terminator line which seperates the light from the dark and I
figured it played into the Illumination Theory in some way. It's far too obvious to be a flaw. Isn't it?
Nah. If it were intentional, I'm sure it would be a bit more evident that this was what was meant. This is just a case of sloppy/hurried artistry, whether done by Syme or not. And as I mentioned before, unfortunately, Syme has gotten sloppy in recent years, which is a pity. So while my gut tells me that this wasn't done by Syme, it's quite possible that it was.


Honest question:  As a band, does Dream Theater have so much concern for what the masses think of their album covers?

If so, they are much more down-to-earth than I'd ever imagine a group of "celebrities" (for lack of a better word) would be.  As mentioned, I am a very new fan of this band but not of music/musicians in general.  I find it interesting that anyone would think they'd care what fans think about such things.
Not sure what the band thinks of discussions like this and whether it would be enough for them to get the cover art fixed or reworked. I know they certainly were concerned about what the masses thought of their Live Scenes From New York artwork so that they replaced the burning apple (with the NY skyline in flames) with a majesty symbol, but this is different.

But I'm sure they appreciate the fact that their fans are rabid enough to notice the little details like this. Of course it would be difficult, if not impossible for them to cater to every fan's wish, but when it comes to something like this, which is clearly a mistake and caught before the manufacturing stage, one would hope they'd take it to heart and realize it's a matter of the fans caring, not being a bunch of nitpicks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 10, 2013, 02:31:47 PM
Well put and points taken, Scotty and PC!

Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 10, 2013, 03:18:40 PM
Sing something?!?!


The one thing that worries me is that we will have minimal James LaBrie lyrical contributions again and even though JP's lyrics were excellent on ADTOE, I really don't see the harm in giving James just ONE or ideally TWO more opportunities to write lyrics.


Secondly about the album cover, I haven't been keeping up with this thread too much because there is just too many posts but I will say this. 

A) *Normally* I get really fed up with the sheer amount of criticism and nitpicking people do to DT.  Conversation and opinions are fine but when people start portraying their ideas as fact (i.e. I know better than DT) it really gets annoying. 

B ) That said, I really hope they fix the cover art.  I mean, I didn't notice it at first...it looked pretty cool but everyone is right, that diagonal "cut" is really glaring.  Blob's woork looked pretty cool. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 03:27:21 PM
OMGOMGOGMO and I found part 3!

*snip!*

Lots of info!

Hey, guys.  This is kind of borderline, so I'm not going to start dishing warnings out.  But if it's not released by RR or DT and someone happens to stumble upon something, don't post it or discuss it here before it is released.  I'm sure the band appreciates our enthusiasm, but let's be respectful of the fact that it isn't released for public consumption yet.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 10, 2013, 03:30:03 PM
bosk is love. bosk is life.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 03:32:24 PM
OMGOMGOGMO and I found part 3!

*snip!*

Lots of info!

Hey, guys.  This is kind of borderline, so I'm not going to start dishing warnings out.  But if it's not released by RR or DT and someone happens to stumble upon something, don't post it or discuss it here before it is released.  I'm sure the band appreciates our enthusiasm, but let's be respectful of the fact that it isn't released for public consumption yet.  Thanks.


That is what I cant understand - why upload these to Youtube and tell no-one for 3 weeks? if they are not for public consumption surely you wouldnt upload them in the first place.

Because often they will be uploaded in advance so they are ready to go, but kept private and then later shared/released on a certain schedule that coincides with the marketing plan for the album.  I don't think pt. 3 is meant to be found and viewed yet.  But I am trying to get clarification.  If I get a green light, then you guys are more than welcome to share it and discuss it. 

The videos are just UNLISTED, not set to PRIVATE.  ???

That could just be a mistake.  Just hold off.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2013, 03:33:24 PM
STOKED!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MarkFitDT on July 10, 2013, 03:34:12 PM
OMGOMGOGMO and I found part 3!

*snip!*

Lots of info!

Hey, guys.  This is kind of borderline, so I'm not going to start dishing warnings out.  But if it's not released by RR or DT and someone happens to stumble upon something, don't post it or discuss it here before it is released.  I'm sure the band appreciates our enthusiasm, but let's be respectful of the fact that it isn't released for public consumption yet.  Thanks.


That is what I cant understand - why upload these to Youtube and tell no-one for 3 weeks? if they are not for public consumption surely you wouldnt upload them in the first place.

Because often they will be uploaded in advance so they are ready to go, but kept private and then later shared/released on a certain schedule that coincides with the marketing plan for the album.  I don't think pt. 3 is meant to be found and viewed yet.  But I am trying to get clarification.  If I get a green light, then you guys are more than welcome to share it and discuss it. 

The videos are just UNLISTED, not set to PRIVATE.  ???

That could just be a mistake.  Just hold off.

Thanks for explaining that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Deve on July 10, 2013, 03:35:02 PM
OMGOMGOGMO and I found part 3!

*snip!*

Lots of info!

Hey, guys.  This is kind of borderline, so I'm not going to start dishing warnings out.  But if it's not released by RR or DT and someone happens to stumble upon something, don't post it or discuss it here before it is released.  I'm sure the band appreciates our enthusiasm, but let's be respectful of the fact that it isn't released for public consumption yet.  Thanks.


That is what I cant understand - why upload these to Youtube and tell no-one for 3 weeks? if they are not for public consumption surely you wouldnt upload them in the first place.

Because often they will be uploaded in advance so they are ready to go, but kept private and then later shared/released on a certain schedule that coincides with the marketing plan for the album.  I don't think pt. 3 is meant to be found and viewed yet.  But I am trying to get clarification.  If I get a green light, then you guys are more than welcome to share it and discuss it. 

The videos are just UNLISTED, not set to PRIVATE.  ???

That could just be a mistake.  Just hold off.

Yeah, that's what I figured. Weird they'd have them as public videos that have not been announced through the usual PR channels. Seems like a mistake to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 10, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
The one posted on the previous page is now showing as private, so I guess it probably was a mistake to make them only unlisted.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Flacracker on July 10, 2013, 03:36:48 PM
Fuck did I miss it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sdfdsv on July 10, 2013, 03:37:27 PM
Well, I guess it actually was a mistake. I edited my first post
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 10, 2013, 03:39:42 PM
To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?

Pretty fucking awesome. Just a moment of right place, right time I guess. But I suppose I'll shut my mouth until it's officially released.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 03:40:41 PM
Well, the initial response I got to my email was along the lines of:

THEY SAW WHAT?!?!   :omg:

So, I think I can safely say that pt. 3 is off limits.  I'm trying to get clarification on which ones are okay and which ones are not, but I have a feeling the ones that aren't meant to be seen are going to be set to private now, so it won't be an issue. 

EDIT:  Yeah, confirmed.  Pt. 2 is off limits as well. 

Again, while your enthusiasm is understandable and appreciated, PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO LEAKS OF ANY KIND.  Usually, we only have to worry about album leaks.  But it looks like the band and RR have a really cool series they have planned for the marketing schedule of the album, and I am sure it all planned out.  Please don't ruin the surprises if you manage to stumble upon something you are not supposed to see yet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Red_Queen on July 10, 2013, 03:41:56 PM
To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?

Pretty fucking awesome. Just a moment of right place, right time I guess. But I suppose I'll shut my mouth until it's officially released.
  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Deve on July 10, 2013, 03:43:18 PM
To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?

Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 10, 2013, 03:43:45 PM
Not really discussing the vids, but there was no snippet of the intro there actually. Anyway, someone screwed up and let the videos unprotected. I just really hope we didn't put any RR employee through a shitstorm :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2013, 03:45:31 PM
Well, the initial response I got to my email was along the lines of:

THEY SAW WHAT?!?!   :omg:

That's beautiful! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 10, 2013, 03:46:16 PM
ahhh the strict rules. i always miss the cool stuff and pop in for the pages of half-planet discussions
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 10, 2013, 03:47:39 PM
Randy's here.

Sorry, Randy.   :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SeRoX on July 10, 2013, 03:47:50 PM
F*ck! I'm late to the party!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dodido253 on July 10, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
DAMNIT .. I want to see this videos  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mocool13 on July 10, 2013, 03:49:33 PM
lol, kinda pissed I missed it. I'm not great at being at the right place at the right time.

Those who saw something, was it good?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 10, 2013, 03:50:08 PM
To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?

Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.

Oh dear.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dacling on July 10, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?

Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.

Oh dear.

I knew it would come down to this. This is how I always wanted to go.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 03:51:07 PM
To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?

Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.

Oh dear.

Didn't bosk ban himself multiple times already?   :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 10, 2013, 03:51:52 PM
implosion

(https://capitalogix.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5502e47b288330133ece6f364970b-800wi)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Flacracker on July 10, 2013, 03:52:38 PM
Dream Theater Rule #1 for RR Records: Dont fuck up about anything. Even for a second. Dream Theater fans will swarm it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 03:53:35 PM
To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?

Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.

Oh dear.

Didn't bosk ban himself multiple times already?   :lol

YOU SHUT UP I'LL FIGHT YOU RIGHT NOW!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 10, 2013, 03:54:54 PM
i'm sure part 2 and 3 will be essentially the same sort of thing as part 1: a documentary about the writing and recording process of the album with no new material explicitly revealed and having lots of ADTOE playing in the background. :neverusethis:.
I wouldn't get too upset about missing these things that haven't even been released yet...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 03:55:16 PM
Well that de-escalated quickly.

 :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LCArenas on July 10, 2013, 03:55:26 PM
To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?

Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.

Oh dear.
It's Okay rich. You gotta do what you gotta do. Mankind's greatest empires vanish this way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kingshmegland on July 10, 2013, 03:59:52 PM
Awe man, I leave DTF for like 2 hours and look what happens. :'(
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 10, 2013, 04:03:27 PM
You gotta admit though, the detective work of DTF is legendary. One of these days we'll find the "Dummer Documentary Gag Reel" with the DT guys laughing their asses off with MM's reaction :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 10, 2013, 04:04:03 PM
Awe man, I leave DTF for like 2 hours and look what happens. :'(

Seriously. Fucking blackberries!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: YtseCullen on July 10, 2013, 04:07:31 PM
Hey Randy is online! Care to elaborate on this man?y
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 10, 2013, 04:08:18 PM
lol randy knows whats up...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sdfdsv on July 10, 2013, 04:09:13 PM
Sorry Randy! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dark Castle on July 10, 2013, 04:10:41 PM
Randy: "Ya'll motha fuckas gettin sued."
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 10, 2013, 04:11:00 PM
Well, I missed the chance, it seems. But I've learnt an important lesson from this nevertheless. I'm off to change the privacy settings of my videos from unlisted to private  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 10, 2013, 04:11:05 PM
i know the rope is obviously ADTOE artwork, but i don't remember this particular wave artwork?
(from most recent DT official email)

(https://i.imgur.com/uwArO0c.png)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 04:11:33 PM
See?  When the bosk-alarm goes off, the mods start swarming, and Randy shows up, you guys know you've really stepped in it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dacling on July 10, 2013, 04:13:14 PM
It has graced us with Randy's presence. It has all been worth it. I will stand before the firing line with honor.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 10, 2013, 04:14:03 PM
Randy: "Ya'll motha fuckas gettin sued."

I'm thinking more along the lines of "You guys are fucking insane."   :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 10, 2013, 04:14:40 PM
they really shouldn't be surprised. some dude transcribed a blurry midi chart of a second of the videos. it's not too hard for a crazy DT fan to check the youtube page
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 10, 2013, 04:17:24 PM
The sad part to me, is that I was here when all the link were up, but I'm at work, and youtube is blocked  :'(
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Deve on July 10, 2013, 04:18:54 PM
To the people that heard something: How awesome was it?

Since the videos were technically leaked, Rule 2 of the forum prohibits discussion of them.
Based on rule 2, I now have to ban everyone, including myself and bosk, for discussion of the fact that these videos even exist.

Oh dear.

Damnit. I shouldn't have pointed that out. Well, sorry everyone. I guess I'll see all of you in 6-8 weeks!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 10, 2013, 04:20:14 PM
lol and now he's gone/lurking as a guest/hidden XD
Randy I hope you saw the part where people were batshit crazy over that line that goes through the cover  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SaterUM on July 10, 2013, 04:22:17 PM
You guys dont mind if i post an image that i take to the part 2 of the studio video?, it's the "Dream Theater Progress Chart"  :-[
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 10, 2013, 04:25:21 PM
I think now that everything's been said, actually posting stuff from the video itself now leads to a ban. Go ahead, if you really want to.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 10, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
What the hell just happened??  :omg:

I leave the thread for a couple hours and all hell broke loose. I'd ask what I missed, but honestly, I don't wanna know.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 10, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Some of us saw some videos that we weren't supposed to see yet.  That's pretty much the gist of it.

So how about that album cover, people?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SaterUM on July 10, 2013, 04:29:41 PM
lol xd, well i think i'm going to keep it, it's just the hype going through my veins  ::)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 10, 2013, 04:32:16 PM
Glad I wasn't here, I'd discuss it and get banned, also don't want surprises ruined before DT want our anus' ruined...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Edson Wilton on July 10, 2013, 04:33:26 PM
 :omg: Why Lord, why?!?!?!

helloween feelings...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: VincentMDO on July 10, 2013, 04:34:08 PM
Meanwhile, I'll be singing my own prays.  :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
i know the rope is obviously ADTOE artwork, but i don't remember this particular wave artwork?
(from most recent DT official email)

(https://i.imgur.com/uwArO0c.png)

neither did I but it's in the ADTOE book.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 10, 2013, 04:38:44 PM
By the way, bosk, what did your e-mail say and who was it off?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Flacracker on July 10, 2013, 04:39:03 PM
Im guessing that part 2 comes out tomorrow. The last one came out on a Thursday and it seems like they were testing something with these videos and getting ready for them to be released.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: snapple on July 10, 2013, 04:46:06 PM
Pt.2 was Mangini playing a flute solo in full leprechaun  regalia.


Pt.3 was just a good ol' fashioned naked man pile.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Super Dude on July 10, 2013, 05:05:55 PM
PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO LEAKS OF ANY KIND.

Yes, it begins.....this is how you know album release time is really under way!  :xbones
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 05:12:53 PM

PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO LEAKS OF ANY KIND.

Oh What The Heck...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8glwRaS8OM

See ya Later DTF.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 10, 2013, 05:15:17 PM

PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO LEAKS OF ANY KIND.

Oh What The Heck...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8glwRaS8OM

See ya Later DTF.

I really want to cut and wash leeks now for some reason  :huh:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 10, 2013, 05:16:25 PM
Why did I watch that....  :facepalm:

Ban him for wasting 2 and a half minutes of my life.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 05:16:39 PM

PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO LEAKS OF ANY KIND.

Oh What The Heck...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8glwRaS8OM

See ya Later DTF.

2 month temp ban for posting link to a leek.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 05:19:28 PM
 :lol :rollin :lol

haha. " you have been banned for posting links to LEEKED material "

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 10, 2013, 05:21:15 PM
Here's how to fix your leak:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pATuUP2-g_I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pATuUP2-g_I)






Yeah, I'm overdoing. Sorry for the spam.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 05:22:35 PM
:)  We've had our fun.  Let's get back sort of on topic now.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 05:25:57 PM
Why do I get the feeling that this will be an immense album ?

Just has that vibe. Seems like they've really made something special this time.

Maybe they were purposefully holding off on ADTOE to make the next album something special.

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 10, 2013, 05:29:41 PM
Maybe they were purposefully holding off on ADTOE to make the next album something special.

Looking at the big picture, I think this is probably dead on.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dark Castle on July 10, 2013, 05:31:54 PM
I'm starting to think that as well, I absolutely love the song titles, and they seem earnestly confident rather than trying to overhype. I like that. Could have gone with a different album cover but it's not life ending.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 10, 2013, 05:42:51 PM
The DT font would look good in the metallic texture used in the majesty logo, maybe for the back/inside cover.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 10, 2013, 05:49:40 PM
I predict that after a few listens some songs will be kinda meh (always in relevance to the high expctations) like in ADTOE, but the strong ones will become instant classics. I have this feeling Illumination Theory will melt our brains :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 10, 2013, 05:53:10 PM
Thanks to the modz for deleting my forbidden post...


sooo yea I can't wait for the single
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 10, 2013, 05:58:14 PM
Illumination Theory will be filled with Dubstep, like Muse's last album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GasparXR on July 10, 2013, 06:09:05 PM
Maybe they were purposefully holding off on ADTOE to make the next album something special.

Looking at the bigger picture, I think this is probably dead on.

Fixed. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 06:09:35 PM
Please Jesus.

Please let Dream Theater stay the fuck away from Dubstep forever.

It's a slippery slope towards featuring guest rappers and being produced by so called Producers called " The Matrix " and " Red One ".

:puke:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 10, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
Please Jesus.

Please let Dream Theater stay the fuck away from Dubstep forever.

It's a slippery slope towards featuring guest rappers and being produced by so called Producers called " The Matrix " and " Red One ".

:puke:

x100000  I'm all for DT exploring other areas, but this is not one of them.  PoW should be the limit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 10, 2013, 06:15:12 PM
I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 10, 2013, 06:16:06 PM
I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 10, 2013, 06:17:30 PM
*snip*
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 10, 2013, 06:18:38 PM
I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.

Have they done jazz?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 06:19:19 PM
I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.

The electronic drum intros to songs on ADToE are the closest I want them to get to electro or EDM or Dubstep or w/e the fuck it's called next week.

I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.

Have they done jazz?


Parts of Lines In The Sand are quite jazzy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2013, 06:19:36 PM
*snip*

That has already been discussed earlier in the thread.  And if you suspect something might be a leak, why not thread through the thread before posting something you aren't supposed to post?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 06:22:18 PM
(https://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/e/ed/No_leeks.png)



 :angry: :angry:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 10, 2013, 06:23:32 PM
I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.

Have they done jazz?

Well, I've always thought that Take the Time was pretty heavily influenced by elements of jazz, and I know JP's done some jazzy soloes in some live performances.  That's about all I can think of. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mellotron_scratch on July 10, 2013, 06:25:21 PM
*snip*

That has already been discussed earlier in the thread.  And if you suspect something might be a leak, why not thread through the thread before posting something you aren't supposed to post?

Sorry, I didn't really want to look through 10 pages of unread stuff, that's why I said 'I don't know if anyone's posted this'. Didn't know that it's against the rules to mention a possible leak, I thought it was wrong only if you posted a link to a leak itself. Sorry for any misunderstandings  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 10, 2013, 06:32:56 PM
I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.

Have they done jazz?

The few second break in the middle of TDEN is a little jazzy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: orcus116 on July 10, 2013, 06:35:08 PM
I'm honestly okay with them exploring any genre they want, as long as they don't overdo it.

Have they done jazz?


Parts of Lines In The Sand are quite jazzy.

Scarred too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 10, 2013, 06:35:43 PM
I must investigate....   :justjen
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 10, 2013, 06:38:37 PM
Jazz is one genre I'd definitely be interested in hearing DT explore more.  I don't see it happening with this album, but, who knows? 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 10, 2013, 06:41:01 PM
I've been delighted at how much jazz and prog rock share in terms of time sigs and melodic structures, etc.

It would be fantastic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Polis on July 10, 2013, 06:52:54 PM
My guess is that it's going to be HEAVY heavy metal, especially because Mangini "is an animal" and his previous works were super heavy with annihilator and whatnot. Blastbeats, HWAAARRRRRGGGGgggs, 300 bpm double bass, 1-3 crashes per second, etc.

I have been sort of gravitating toward prog rock though, with neal morse's stuff- trans, SB, solo works. But if this is similar to Train of Thought in atmosphere or song structure, then I'm in.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 10, 2013, 06:54:23 PM
he might have to throw some blastbeats in to make up for the lackluster ones from ANTR
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: rush-signals on July 10, 2013, 07:01:34 PM
God I hate blast beats! Just say no when it comes to DT!

he might have to throw some blastbeats in to make up for the lackluster ones from ANTR
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 10, 2013, 07:03:26 PM
I'm not really fond of blast beats, but I never had a problem with the way they were used in DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 07:07:13 PM
I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL

I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 10, 2013, 07:09:53 PM
I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL

I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.

eh dubstep is just the newest thing to bash. it's a buzzword. im sure if jordan came up with the coolest electronic thing ever to complement a song, people would still hate it on the grounds of it belonging to a particular genre. things sound good/bad because they are good/bad. not because its called metal or dubstep
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lark the Starless on July 10, 2013, 07:11:18 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned...

In the "Episode 1: DT in the Studio" video on YouTube, at around the 0:06-0:09 mark, it seems that we might have gotten a brief glimpse into the new album cover.

Does anyone else see this?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mike099 on July 10, 2013, 07:14:10 PM
Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments?  Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.


Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Frank on July 10, 2013, 07:16:44 PM
Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments?  Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.

I'm actually a little worried about that. After having listened to the snippets to death before ADTOE I've decided that I will not listen to anything this time, but I also don't want to give up browsing the forum. I'll have to see how discussion is organized to see how much I'm going to browse once material starts getting officially released.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tom Bombadil on July 10, 2013, 07:21:24 PM
Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments?  Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.

I'm actually a little worried about that. After having listened to the snippets to death before ADTOE I've decided that I will not listen to anything this time, but I also don't want to give up browsing the forum. I'll have to see how discussion is organized to see how much I'm going to browse once material starts getting officially released.
I'm just going to stay away from anythread that has to do with snippets/singles. I don't even want to hear people's reactions. Trying to make septemper 24th as epic as possible! ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dongringo on July 10, 2013, 07:25:51 PM
Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments?  Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.

I'm actually a little worried about that. After having listened to the snippets to death before ADTOE I've decided that I will not listen to anything this time, but I also don't want to give up browsing the forum. I'll have to see how discussion is organized to see how much I'm going to browse once material starts getting officially released.
I'm just going to stay away from anythread that has to do with snippets/singles. I don't even want to hear people's reactions. Trying to make septemper 24th as epic as possible! ;)

This is my plan as well. ADTOE and the new QR releases were severely diminished by listening to everything snippet and song that were released ahead of the album. Not going to go there this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ReaperKK on July 10, 2013, 07:30:04 PM
Please tell me that wonky picture is not the album cover. It looks like fan art, and that Majesty logo is so off shape.

Quote from many pages ago but that artwork isn't really my thing, looks like something I would've come up with using PS 7 and the eyecandy plugin.

I actually liked that cave picture.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 07:31:22 PM
I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL

I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.

eh dubstep is just the newest thing to bash. it's a buzzword. im sure if jordan came up with the coolest electronic thing ever to complement a song, people would still hate it on the grounds of it belonging to a particular genre. things sound good/bad because they are good/bad. not because its called metal or dubstep

I like those little electronic things he does on Train of Thought. Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: rush-signals on July 10, 2013, 07:33:54 PM
I like those little electronic things he does on Train of Thought. Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.

WTF is dubstep in DT? I know I'm naive!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ReaperKK on July 10, 2013, 07:34:58 PM
I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL

I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.

eh dubstep is just the newest thing to bash. it's a buzzword. im sure if jordan came up with the coolest electronic thing ever to complement a song, people would still hate it on the grounds of it belonging to a particular genre. things sound good/bad because they are good/bad. not because its called metal or dubstep

I like those little electronic things he does on Train of Thought. Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.

There can be some great chill dubstep out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDI6HTR9arA

On topic, those titles are really excited, usually when stuff like this comes out I just go "oh cool" and move on, but I'm fairly excited right now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 10, 2013, 07:35:39 PM
I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL

I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.

Dubstep is fucking atrocious.  And i listen to a large variety of music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Flacracker on July 10, 2013, 07:38:20 PM
Prog Rock/Metal > 80's - 90's Hip-Hop > Other music
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 10, 2013, 07:38:58 PM
Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.

im not even a dubstep fan. but statements like this are ridiculous


this dude is probably the biggest 'dubstep' maker (who knows, electronic fans are even worse about genre labeling than metal fans). the video is cool if the music isn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 07:42:38 PM
Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.

im not even a dubstep fan. but statements like this are ridiculous


Your face is ridiculous.

How is my preference to listening to the sound of my painful diarrhea over dubstep ridiculous?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ReaperKK on July 10, 2013, 07:43:25 PM
I'm going to repost this, this is some relaxed dubstep: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDI6HTR9arA

Lots of genre's that may not seem interesting may have some gems hidden in them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 07:46:59 PM
I'm going to repost this, this is some relaxed dubstep: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDI6HTR9arA

Lots of genre's that may not seem interesting may have some gems hidden in them.

Well if you take out the dubstep which sounds exactly the same as in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g
you have a pretty nice relaxing piece of music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 10, 2013, 07:49:30 PM
Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments?  Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.

I'm actually a little worried about that. After having listened to the snippets to death before ADTOE I've decided that I will not listen to anything this time, but I also don't want to give up browsing the forum. I'll have to see how discussion is organized to see how much I'm going to browse once material starts getting officially released.
I'm just going to stay away from anythread that has to do with snippets/singles. I don't even want to hear people's reactions. Trying to make septemper 24th as epic as possible! ;)
I'll listen to the single, but only a couple times. I'm avoiding all snippets, due to overplaying them last time......completely ruined those parts when I heard the full songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 10, 2013, 07:50:23 PM
Dubstep is not music. My worse case of diarrhea sounds better than it.

im not even a dubstep fan. but statements like this are ridiculous


Your face is ridiculous.

How is my preference to listening to the sound of my painful diarrhea over dubstep ridiculous?
not even sure this deserves another reply
-blank- is not music is the ridiculous thing to say. different strokes for different folks


also there's not even a chance stuff like that will be on DT12. even if it was it would be minimal. i just like kneejerk elitist reactions
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 07:53:23 PM
BUT BUT.... OK fine.

Sure can't wait for the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 10, 2013, 08:34:09 PM
I'm excited for everything about this album... Except the artwork. Man is it bad.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: snapple on July 10, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tom Bombadil on July 10, 2013, 08:39:40 PM
Assuming a single is released, is there anyone that is going to not listen and just go on here and hear the comments?  Would be kind of interesting to hear others comments without listening.

I'm actually a little worried about that. After having listened to the snippets to death before ADTOE I've decided that I will not listen to anything this time, but I also don't want to give up browsing the forum. I'll have to see how discussion is organized to see how much I'm going to browse once material starts getting officially released.
I'm just going to stay away from anythread that has to do with snippets/singles. I don't even want to hear people's reactions. Trying to make septemper 24th as epic as possible! ;)
I'll listen to the single, but only a couple times. I'm avoiding all snippets, due to overplaying them last time......completely ruined those parts when I heard the full songs.
Exactly. I want the songs to sound completely new and fresh when I listen to them the first time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on July 10, 2013, 08:54:54 PM
Illumination Theory will be filled with Dubstep, like Muse's last album.
I know you're joking and everything, but just letting you know that aprox. only 1.5 minutes of Muse's The 2nd Law is "dubstep" per se, which are 1.5 minutes of a 3 minute song in an album with 13 songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tom Bombadil on July 10, 2013, 08:59:14 PM
Illumination Theory will be filled with Dubstep, like Muse's last album.
I know you're joking and everything, but just letting you know that aprox. only 1.5 minutes of Muse's The 2nd Law is "dubstep" per se, which are 1.5 minutes of a 3 minute song in an album with 13 songs.
Still liked their older stuff wayyyy more
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Rattlehead on July 10, 2013, 09:06:04 PM
I HATE EVERYTHING BUT PROG METAL

I know you're joking, but I still want to say that hating dubstep does not mean you hate everything but prog metal.

Dubstep is fucking atrocious.  And i listen to a large variety of music.

Agree 100% with this... I guess I only like prog metal too though. Better throw away the rest of my music collection.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Implode on July 10, 2013, 09:40:36 PM
So...what happened to people notifying the band of the errors in the album art? Is that still a thing? Do you think they know? There's no way that it's intentional or supposed to be a terminator with a 90 degree angle.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 10, 2013, 09:42:33 PM
So...what happened to people notifying the band of the errors in the album art? Is that still a thing? Do you think they know? There's no way that it's intentional or supposed to be a terminator with a 90 degree angle.

I'm sure we'll get a slightly revised artwork if Octavarium and ADToE is any indication.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2013, 09:53:23 PM
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE
   i. Sleep Paralysis
   ii. Night Terrors
   iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE
3. THE LOOKING GLASS
4. ENIGMA MACHINE
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY
   i. Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire
   ii. Live, Die, Kill
   iii. The Embracing Circle
   iv. The Pursuit of Truth
   v. Surrender, Trust & Passion


.......





 :|




......





 :omg: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS NEW ALBUM IS AMAZING. TRACKLIST IS EVERYTHING I COULD HAVE WANTED, COVER ART LOOKS AMAZING.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dongringo on July 10, 2013, 09:53:34 PM
It just needs to be blackened. How hard could it be to fix it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lucien on July 10, 2013, 09:55:24 PM
Along For the Ride is the instrumental, Enigma Machine has John Myung writing lyrics. Calling it now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GasparXR on July 10, 2013, 09:56:31 PM
Along For the Ride is the instrumental, Enigma Machine has John Myung writing lyrics. Calling it now.

Along for the Ride isn't the instrumental, because on the progress chart, there was a song with the working title of Along for the Ride which is the only name they kept, and it was listed as having vocals.

It just needs to be blackened. How hard could it be to fix it?

That wouldn't be good, because blackened is the end. :millahhhh
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: PROGdrummer on July 10, 2013, 09:57:37 PM
1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE
   i. Sleep Paralysis
   ii. Night Terrors
   iii. Lucid Dream
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE
3. THE LOOKING GLASS
4. ENIGMA MACHINE
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE
6. BEHIND THE VEIL
7. SURRENDER TO REASON
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY
   i. Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire
   ii. Live, Die, Kill
   iii. The Embracing Circle
   iv. The Pursuit of Truth
   v. Surrender, Trust & Passion


.......





 :|




......





 :omg: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS NEW ALBUM IS AMAZING. TRACKLIST IS EVERYTHING I COULD HAVE WANTED, COVER ART LOOKS AMAZING.


Thats a refreshing change in this thread  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 10, 2013, 10:05:09 PM
Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.

lolno.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 10, 2013, 10:32:50 PM
Along For the Ride is the instrumental, Enigma Machine has John Myung writing lyrics. Calling it now.

Along for the Ride isn't the instrumental, because on the progress chart, there was a song with the working title of Along for the Ride which is the only name they kept, and it was listed as having vocals.

It just needs to be blackened. How hard could it be to fix it?

That wouldn't be good, because blackened is the end. :millahhhh
I think Along for the Ride has two possibilities: 1. It's the ballad of the album 2. It has a Surrounded/Innocence Faded vibe

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Rattlehead on July 10, 2013, 10:40:09 PM
Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.

lolno.

Yeah I  :lol'ed too
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 10, 2013, 10:54:02 PM
I was looking through the track listing again and the only title that sticks out to me The Bigger Picture. That is the least DTish title I see on the album. The rest I get a good vibe from.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: theanalogkid7 on July 10, 2013, 11:01:38 PM
I was thinking, I wonder if any of the tunes on the new album (if it's not a concept) will be about Portnoy's departure.  None of the titles lead me to believe there will be, but the feelings that come from such a dramatic change could make for some good lyrics.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 10, 2013, 11:03:13 PM
I was thinking, I wonder if any of the tunes on the new album (if it's not a concept) will be about Portnoy's departure.  None of the titles lead me to believe there will be, but the feelings that come from such a dramatic change could make for some good lyrics.

I sure hope not; this dead horse has been beaten past the point of recognition.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: theanalogkid7 on July 10, 2013, 11:09:28 PM
I was thinking, I wonder if any of the tunes on the new album (if it's not a concept) will be about Portnoy's departure.  None of the titles lead me to believe there will be, but the feelings that come from such a dramatic change could make for some good lyrics.

I sure hope not; this dead horse has been beaten past the point of recognition.

Yeah now that I think about it more that is a stupid idea. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 11, 2013, 12:46:42 AM
I was worried this thread might not be as entertaining as "DT in the studio again", but these last few pages just proved me wrong :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 11, 2013, 12:47:35 AM
I'm excited about all the dubstep on this album!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LCArenas on July 11, 2013, 12:51:53 AM
DT hadn't released a song or a section of a song in any other language that wasn't English, right? I'm asking because I'm really hyped for Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire and I don't really know why.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 11, 2013, 01:03:11 AM
DT hadn't released a song or a section of a song in any other language that wasn't English, right? I'm asking because I'm really hyped for Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire and I don't really know why.

I'd be downright shocked if it wasn't an instrumental opening somewhat like an overture, as a lot of their longer songs and suites do.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 11, 2013, 01:46:03 AM
DT hadn't released a song or a section of a song in any other language that wasn't English, right? I'm asking because I'm really hyped for Paradoxe de la Lumière Noire and I don't really know why.

I'd be downright shocked if it wasn't an instrumental opening somewhat like an overture, as a lot of their longer songs and suites do.

I agree with blob, but even if it had lyrics, a french title doesn't mean automatically french lyrics, it could also have spoken samples.

It could also be a french canadian rap  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlackInk on July 11, 2013, 02:16:48 AM
I really like dubstep if it's done right, but I don't feel like it'll fit in Dream Theater's music. So I'd vote against it too.

I'd like some "djent" influences since they toured with Periphery and their latest album was on Petrucci's top of the year albums list. I don't want the sound of it, but maybe a small part with some "djentish" rhythms. Which I think is very achievable for Dream Theater, and you wouldn't even need a distorted guitar.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lolzeez on July 11, 2013, 02:38:35 AM
I'm excited about all the dubstep on this album!
So that's why they got Mike Mangini...




Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: puppyonacid on July 11, 2013, 02:42:10 AM
I'm excited about all the dubstep on this album!

It's not real dubstep!!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 11, 2013, 03:06:35 AM
:lol

Generally speaking, writing off an entire genre in the way that some people are doing is the same as people who say that rock isn't really music because it's all loud guitars and angry shouting, or that prog metal is terrible because it's all just wanky indulgence about dragons and wizards.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Nefarius on July 11, 2013, 03:08:27 AM
For those who don't get the problem with the planet being cut off on the cover preview, my inner child prepared something for you!

(https://www.dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/whytheplanetiscutoff.png)

Copy and pasting from different sources is okay, not checking the edges against the background however is not, that's the issue.

I really hope I could help. ::)

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 11, 2013, 03:13:58 AM
:clap:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 11, 2013, 03:20:13 AM
:clap:

Yes, Nefarius, that was amazing!

Illumination Theory will be filled with Dubstep, like Muse's last album.
I know you're joking and everything, but just letting you know that aprox. only 1.5 minutes of Muse's The 2nd Law is "dubstep" per se, which are 1.5 minutes of a 3 minute song in an album with 13 songs.

I know :lol , but it's still kind-of funny to bash Muse for it, although I must say they did it pretty well.

I'm excited about all the dubstep on this album!

Me too!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 11, 2013, 03:21:18 AM
That pic should be enough to explain the cutoff :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 11, 2013, 03:22:42 AM
That's how it happened, people. Let it be written as much :millahhhh
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 11, 2013, 03:35:24 AM
Gah, I hope that it isnt heavy heavy as some are suggesting. It would sound weird sitting through a show with blast beats and whatever first, then The Answer Lies Within next. Would sounds disjointed  :-\
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: cyberdrummer on July 11, 2013, 03:40:35 AM
I don't think it'll be that heavy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 11, 2013, 03:43:14 AM
Yeah, it can't be overly metal if it's supposed to be an album that represents everything DT is about.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Sycsa on July 11, 2013, 03:45:46 AM
With those titles, it'll probably be the most proggy album they ever released. Definitely insanely technical.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 11, 2013, 03:57:05 AM
With Mangini unleashed, I think it's going to be a very technical one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 11, 2013, 04:04:04 AM
I think that we will get a good deal of intensity, rather than outright heaviness. In one interview Mike remarked how he liked intense and energetic music, and I believe that this kind of preference of his will be felt on the record.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 11, 2013, 04:12:07 AM
In the official announcement there is no mention of a making-of DVD. So, is it really possible that JP would pay a whole crew of a top filming company just for a bunch of short vids?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 11, 2013, 04:12:45 AM
Yeah, it can't be overly metal if it's supposed to be an album that represents everything DT is about.

It also can't be lacking in metal if it's supposed to represent everything that DT is about. It's not 1992 anymore.


For those who don't get the problem with the planet being cut off on the cover preview, my inner child prepared something for you!

(https://www.dreamshade.net/foren/dreamtheaterforums/whytheplanetiscutoff.png)

Copy and pasting from different sources is okay, not checking the edges against the background however is not, that's the issue.

I really hope I could help. ::)

Greetings...
Nef

Great explanation! Hopefully this explains why this was definitely not an intentional thing, as it isn't something that's supposed to be seen anyway (and likely won't be seen when printed for the covers).
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 11, 2013, 04:13:53 AM
Yeah, it can't be overly metal if it's supposed to be an album that represents everything DT is about.

It also can't be lacking in metal if it's supposed to represent everything that DT is about. It's not 1992 anymore.
My point was that it won't be Train of Thought 2 :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 11, 2013, 04:19:12 AM
Yeah, it can't be overly metal if it's supposed to be an album that represents everything DT is about.

It also can't be lacking in metal if it's supposed to represent everything that DT is about. It's not 1992 anymore.
My point was that it won't be Train of Thought 2 :)

Oh, well obviously not! Misunderstanding on my part, I think. I thought you were talking about the heaviness of individual sections, rather than the total percentage of the album that is heavy. ToT was an intentionally one dimensional album that focused on that one particular element.
I'd definitely like to have parts of the album that are as heavy as ToT, but I want a diverse album that covers DT's entire gamut of styles and then some, from ballads, to poppy, to proggy, to metal, to rock, to any other wacky influence they want to throw into the mixing bowl.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 11, 2013, 04:20:28 AM
Disclaimer: I love the cover art and I'm not really bothered by the cut. But, that being said, imagine:

(https://fc00.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/062/7/6/At_the_Gates_of_Sleep_by_synax444.png)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 11, 2013, 04:44:20 AM
I prefer the more minimalist approach from the original, but for the planetary background there are zillions of stock images with a far superior texture resolution and no need for such a cut. It might not be important for the cd print but it might be to low res for the vinyl cover or posters, tour marketing material, on the online stores you would see the cut if your monitor is set too bright (not uncommon).
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: johncal on July 11, 2013, 05:18:42 AM
I was thinking, I wonder if any of the tunes on the new album (if it's not a concept) will be about Portnoy's departure.  None of the titles lead me to believe there will be, but the feelings that come from such a dramatic change could make for some good lyrics.

Who really cares about his departure? They're obviously letting the whole thing die, even if people here refuse to.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mladen on July 11, 2013, 05:41:56 AM
I'm really liking the album cover for its minimalist approach as well, but honestly, I've just noticed that cut everybody is talking about. I hope they will have it fixed before the album comes out, it looks really weird and I seriously doubt it was intentional.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ReaperKK on July 11, 2013, 05:43:55 AM
Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.

Not true, SDOIT is some of the best artwork for a DT album, SC was good too. With BCSL things just started to go downhill, and with this cover it looks like it's going to keep going downhill.

EDIT: I wish that it was somewhat theater themed seeing how it's self-titled.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 11, 2013, 05:44:56 AM
With BCSL things just started to go downhill, and with this cover it looks like it's going to keep going downhill.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_304_1358687601.gif)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: snapple on July 11, 2013, 06:30:41 AM
Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.

Not true, SDOIT is some of the best artwork for a DT album, SC was good too. With BCSL things just started to go downhill, and with this cover it looks like it's going to keep going downhill.

EDIT: I wish that it was somewhat theater themed seeing how it's self-titled.

I meant musically.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: aprilethereal on July 11, 2013, 06:39:48 AM
Everyone said the same thing about ADTOE, and that ended up being miles better than anything post SFAM.

Not true, SDOIT is some of the best artwork for a DT album, SC was good too. With BCSL things just started to go downhill, and with this cover it looks like it's going to keep going downhill.

EDIT: I wish that it was somewhat theater themed seeing how it's self-titled.

I meant musically.

Still not true.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jdprsaga on July 11, 2013, 07:07:08 AM


EDIT: I wish that it was somewhat theater themed seeing how it's self-titled.


If a shot of the sun coming behind earth where you can see the sunrise (could be a sunset too) line day and night division isn't MAJESTIC enough for the forum, then I give up with the forum.

We do can see the MAJESTY symbol and not reference to the actual name of the band - I guess that's who they feel they really are! -

just my two cents.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 07:08:15 AM
Disclaimer: I love the cover art and I'm not really bothered by the cut. But, that being said, imagine:

(https://fc00.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/062/7/6/At_the_Gates_of_Sleep_by_synax444.png)


Something like this ?


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005103_165649800284659_1834974922_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Red_Queen on July 11, 2013, 07:11:20 AM
Disclaimer: I love the cover art and I'm not really bothered by the cut. But, that being said, imagine:

(https://fc00.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/062/7/6/At_the_Gates_of_Sleep_by_synax444.png)


Something like this ?


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005103_165649800284659_1834974922_n.jpg)

Jesus !!! Good work !
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Another_Won on July 11, 2013, 07:13:05 AM
I do like how the light is behind the logo and the effect it creates.  However, the extra planet and red stuff is too much.  I really like the minimalistic approach.  Just the Majesty logo, which was the original name and on the very first album, and a little bit of perspective with the planet and barley any sun.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 11, 2013, 07:13:41 AM
Yeah, also the Majesty logo needs more Brooklyn Bridge
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 11, 2013, 07:27:27 AM
Question, since I've seen the phrase thrown around a few times, wtf is a blast beat?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 11, 2013, 07:33:07 AM
Question, since I've seen the phrase thrown around a few times, wtf is a blast beat?

It's a type of drum beat that's basically really fast alternating bass drum / snare. The only time DT have ever used one is at 14:44 - 14:58 of A Nightmare to Remember. It's more common in death metal / black metal etc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Moor on July 11, 2013, 07:35:31 AM
Yeah, also the Majesty logo needs more Brooklyn Bridge

 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 11, 2013, 07:38:12 AM
Question, since I've seen the phrase thrown around a few times, wtf is a blast beat?

It's a type of drum beat that's basically really fast alternating bass drum / snare. The only time DT have ever used one is at 14:44 - 14:58 of A Nightmare to Remember. It's more common in death metal / black metal etc.

*goes to listen to A Nightmare to Remember because she can't remember how that part goes*
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 11, 2013, 07:41:03 AM
Yeah, also the Majesty logo needs more Brooklyn Bridge

 :rollin

And cow bell
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 11, 2013, 08:06:30 AM
Yeah, also the Majesty logo needs more Brooklyn Bridge

 :rollin

And cow bell

And Portnoy peeking behind the planet.










Okay, that wasn't funny anymore.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 11, 2013, 08:07:31 AM
Question, since I've seen the phrase thrown around a few times, wtf is a blast beat?

It's a type of drum beat that's basically really fast alternating bass drum / snare. The only time DT have ever used one is at 14:44 - 14:58 of A Nightmare to Remember. It's more common in death metal / black metal etc.

*goes to listen to A Nightmare to Remember because she can't remember how that part goes*

I return after listening to that section, and I have one thing to say.

Fuck that shit. :biggrin:

Just kidding, I'm just personally not a big fan of that, though it's impressive as hell.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 08:41:32 AM
Question, since I've seen the phrase thrown around a few times, wtf is a blast beat?

It's a type of drum beat that's basically really fast alternating bass drum / snare. The only time DT have ever used one is at 14:44 - 14:58 of A Nightmare to Remember. It's more common in death metal / black metal etc.

*goes to listen to A Nightmare to Remember because she can't remember how that part goes*

I return after listening to that section, and I have one thing to say.

Fuck that shit. :biggrin:

Just kidding, I'm just personally not a big fan of that, though it's impressive as hell.

Here's a good explanation, and he plays them slowly so you can get a good feel for what's actually going on:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18oaIznHoOI

Here's a solo where he incorporates a lot of blast beats:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg2EyWA0Jxc

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 11, 2013, 08:43:19 AM
I like bands that tap into many genres, even if for a small part.  A little blast beat here, a little jazzy part there, a couple of heavy songs...keeps things interesting.  That's why I like Blur so much, they cover such a wide range of genres yet still sound like themselves.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Big Hath on July 11, 2013, 08:45:25 AM
I can definitively say that Nef did not use the correct Majesty logo in his highly informative and entertaining artwork.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 11, 2013, 08:56:06 AM
When are you expecting a single from the new álbum? I'm eager to taste a Little bit of it :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 11, 2013, 09:01:32 AM
Soon
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 09:03:22 AM
Official tour name has been released.

For those rooting for "Dream Theatour," sorry.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 11, 2013, 09:05:13 AM
I like bands that tap into many genres, even if for a small part.  A little blast beat here, a little jazzy part there, a couple of heavy songs...keeps things interesting. 
IIRC, the blast beat technique actually started in jazz.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 11, 2013, 09:08:15 AM
Some bands I am a fan of have used blast beats, but I think it would be wise for DT to stay away from them (although I bet MM could handle them better than MP did).
Official tour name has been released.

For those rooting for "Dream Theatour," sorry.  :lol
I wasn't rooting for it, despite being the one who came up with the name :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 11, 2013, 09:09:27 AM
Soon

Ughhh.  Not the "S" word again  ::)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlastParadigm on July 11, 2013, 09:21:19 AM
Hope the "soon" is in normal time, and not Valve time  :-\
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: abydos on July 11, 2013, 09:23:46 AM
Cool titles. Excited.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 09:24:11 AM
IIRC, the blast beat technique actually started in jazz.

That is correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_beat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Nest777 on July 11, 2013, 09:25:22 AM
I'd say we'll hear the single before the pre-orders start. They have to sell the new material, and considering they've confirmed pre-orders will start this month... I'm calling it: we'll have a single before the end of july.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 11, 2013, 09:32:40 AM
I was really rooting for Dream Theatour, can we all call it like that until they cave in? :'( or at least produce an inside joke.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lyfeternl on July 11, 2013, 09:34:12 AM
Anyone else watching the drummer auditions to "scratch the itch" while we wait for snippets, RR studio videos, etc?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 11, 2013, 09:38:05 AM
IIRC, the blast beat technique actually started in jazz.

That is correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_beat
I wrote wikipedia.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 09:38:55 AM
???  I thought you just spoke it into existence on Day 8.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 11, 2013, 09:39:26 AM
I learned something today, thanks!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 11, 2013, 09:40:06 AM
???  I thought you just spoke it into existence on Day 8.
Let the plebes have their myths.  It keeps them from becoming too disruptive.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 09:41:26 AM
As long as they don't go around saying you created France or Cleveland, you're all good?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 11, 2013, 09:42:08 AM
Sooo, how about that upcoming DT album? Can't wait.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lonestar on July 11, 2013, 09:44:09 AM
As long as they don't go around saying you created France or Cleveland, you're all good?

But he did create french fries, right?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zook on July 11, 2013, 09:44:28 AM
Sooo, how about that upcoming DT album? Can't wait.

Quiet you, the mods are chatting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 11, 2013, 09:44:46 AM
Sooo, how about that upcoming DT album? Can't wait.
what new album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 09:46:05 AM
Sooo, how about that upcoming DT album? Can't wait.

That and the tour.  I hope the evening with format doesn't tire James out, but I'm confident he will do fine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 11, 2013, 09:48:17 AM
Perhaps they'll add some instrumental tracks throughout the setlist, so he can take longer breaks and rest his voice inbetween songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 11, 2013, 09:50:16 AM
I hope they'll play Hell's Kitchen and Stream of Consciousness then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 11, 2013, 09:50:36 AM
I think James can handle longer shows. His voice is improving...
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 11, 2013, 09:59:42 AM
What do you think are the chances of them playing Wait for Sleep this tour? I will cry my eyes out if I hear that song live.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Onno on July 11, 2013, 10:00:31 AM
I hope they'll play Hell's Kitchen and Stream of Consciousness then.
This...
I think James can handle longer shows. His voice is improving...
and this...
What do you think are the chances of them playing Wait for Sleep this tour? I will cry my eyes out if I hear that song live.
and this!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 11, 2013, 10:00:45 AM
I hope they'll play Hell's Kitchen and Stream of Consciousness then.
And TDOE for trippy experience :P I really can't wait for the new album and I hope it's going to be epic since it's first I'm going to see live (they'll probably play full or almost full album on An Evening with DT).
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: emtee on July 11, 2013, 10:01:33 AM
Along for the ride and for the chocolate cake.

Copy Rush...but instead of chicken have cake or cupcakes. Maybe an episode on Cupcake Wars for the DT tour...:)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 11, 2013, 10:02:18 AM
I thought OTBOA was pretty advanced prog for a single, I hope they do that again.  And good point on the single being released in time for the pre-sale.  Definitely possible.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 11, 2013, 10:02:34 AM
I think it also has a lot to do with the setlist. Some songs, if performed night after night (or even every other night), put a lot of strain on the vocal cords. A cleverly designed set list with a couple of strategically placed instrumentals would make it a lot easier to cope with.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 11, 2013, 10:03:09 AM
The tour is called "along for the ride"

(https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151479258802181)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 10:05:28 AM
The tour is called "along for the ride"

(https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151479258802181)

Yes.  Yes, it is.  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37547.msg1614360#msg1614360
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 11, 2013, 10:06:19 AM
Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 11, 2013, 10:07:13 AM
Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?

I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jinx on July 11, 2013, 10:08:21 AM
Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?

I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.

Hmm... whoever said Dream Theatour, I agree with them  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 11, 2013, 10:08:39 AM
As long as they don't go around saying you created France or Cleveland, you're all good?
Yeah, I don't want credit for those two.

Say, I don't remember - do we still co-own France?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 11, 2013, 10:09:07 AM
Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?

I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
Do you know if this song have vocals (I don't know it was this or another song on chart that haven't changed name)?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 11, 2013, 10:11:02 AM
The tour is called "along for the ride"

(https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151479258802181)

Yes.  Yes, it is.  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37547.msg1614360#msg1614360

 :yeahright *sigh* I'm always too damn late.



also, I thought a blast beat was snare, bass and crash/china etc.. at same time as a fill, like in sacrificed sons 4:20
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Stray Seed on July 11, 2013, 10:23:59 AM
The tracklist is simply awesome. I really like the concept of the cover (very simple, only majesty logo w/background) but I don't like the realization. I do hope it's something temporary and not the actual cover art that will be printed. I hope they will notice that line and the low resolution and rework the whole thing to set it right.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dacling on July 11, 2013, 10:26:01 AM
Hope the "soon" is in normal time, and not Valve time  :-\

Anything but that. Though I can't help but have this feeling the OTE is working on valve time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 11, 2013, 10:34:55 AM
Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?

I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
Although, it wouldn't surprise me if that is the first single. Based on title alone it seems less proggy, more radio friendly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mike099 on July 11, 2013, 10:37:50 AM
Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour.  Looks like I may have to travel to Atlanta, but that will be fine even if I have to go by myself.  I have not found too many folks that even know of Dream Theater in my area of the US(Tennessee).

 My wife likes some of the stuff, but can only handle so much.  She still cannot get the name correct.  When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 11, 2013, 10:39:33 AM
Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?

I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
Although, it wouldn't surprise me if that is the first single. Based on title alone it seems less proggy, more radio friendly.

It wouldn't surprise me if it has "single" potential, given the title and likely average song length of the non-epic tracks, although I'm still putting my bet on one of the other tracks being the leading single.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lyfeternl on July 11, 2013, 10:39:54 AM
Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour.  Looks like I may have to travel to Atlanta, but that will be fine even if I have to go by myself.  I have not found too many folks that even know of Dream Theater in my area of the US(Tennessee).

 My wife likes some of the stuff, but can only handle so much.  She still cannot get the name correct.  When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D

Agreed on the "Evening With..." format hopes for the US tour. Oh, I'll be traveling to Atlanta from TN (Chattanooga) as well and bringing those I have made into DT converts  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 11, 2013, 10:40:18 AM
When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D
That's a great name for DTF actually :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lyfeternl on July 11, 2013, 10:41:11 AM
When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D
That's a great name for DTF actually :lol

If she had said "Nightmare Cinema" it would've been truly nuggetz-worthy
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: aprilethereal on July 11, 2013, 10:45:02 AM
I guess The Enemy Inside will be the single. The title kind of reminds me of Constant Motion. Probably because it sounds :metal and CM was a pretty metal sounding single.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 11, 2013, 10:52:06 AM
We'll probably get a single with the pre-order info for the boxsets.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 10:56:55 AM
Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour. 

My understanding is that that is the case.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kingshmegland on July 11, 2013, 10:59:24 AM
An evening with makes me so happy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: theseoafs on July 11, 2013, 10:59:47 AM
Can we maybe assume from this that Along For The Ride will might be the first single?

I don't think it implies anything more than that it was an appropriate name for a tour.
Although, it wouldn't surprise me if that is the first single. Based on title alone it seems less proggy, more radio friendly.

It wouldn't surprise me if it has "single" potential, given the title and likely average song length of the non-epic tracks, although I'm still putting my bet on one of the other tracks being the leading single.

Twist: "Along for the Ride" is a 34-minute prog epic about a guy who also happened to be in the car when the Count of Tuscany took JP for a drive
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Stray Seed on July 11, 2013, 11:05:18 AM
Along for ride I'll be your guide just step inside.

Anyways, really excited for the evening with format!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 11, 2013, 11:09:26 AM
I had a dream last night that the epic was 31 minutes long  :omg:

I can't wait to see that played live in the spring when they make it over here. I'm assuming they'll announce dates soon
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 11, 2013, 11:17:51 AM
I just did a little dance in my seat. EVENING WITH WHAT I CAN'T EVEN. :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Frank on July 11, 2013, 11:19:18 AM
Twist: "Along for the Ride" is a 34-minute prog epic about a guy who also happened to be in the car when the Count of Tuscany took JP for a drive

That actually briefly entered my head when I saw the tracklist. CoT happens to be one of my all-time favorites so I wasn't surprised I focused on that. So instead of Petrucci as narrator we'll have a professional wine importing guitar tech. :lol

If anything like this turns out to be vaguely true I would be highly amused. I would also love to see some fanfiction written about this. Not the Twilight one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: PROGdrummer on July 11, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
The tour is called "along for the ride"

(https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheaterofficial/posts/10151479258802181)

Yes.  Yes, it is.  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37547.msg1614360#msg1614360

 :yeahright *sigh* I'm always too damn late.



also, I thought a blast beat was snare, bass and crash/china etc.. at same time as a fill, like in sacrificed sons 4:20

A better example of an actual blast beat would be at 14:44 in A Nightmare to Remember. But not all blast beats are just hitting on the bass snare and cymbal at the same time. Some types of blast beats are just snare/bass alternating like at 0:58 in The Dark Eternal Night. Thats also a "blast beat". Theres lots of different kinds.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 11, 2013, 11:53:55 AM
Huh, I've always thought "blast beat" just referred to the bass drum. Didn't know it included cymbals and snare.

Of course, I'm hardly an authority on this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mike099 on July 11, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
I could bring my wifes minivan to Chattanooga and we could van pool.  Of course there are two potential problems with that.  1) I am probably much older than your friends(old fogey 55) and 2) If you and your friends areyounger you may not want to be seen in a mini van. ;)

Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour.  Looks like I may have to travel to Atlanta, but that will be fine even if I have to go by myself.  I have not found too many folks that even know of Dream Theater in my area of the US(Tennessee).

 My wife likes some of the stuff, but can only handle so much.  She still cannot get the name correct.  When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D

Agreed on the "Evening With..." format hopes for the US tour. Oh, I'll be traveling to Atlanta from TN (Chattanooga) as well and bringing those I have made into DT converts  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 11, 2013, 12:00:02 PM
Now that we have the titles, which songs will have an orchestra?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 11, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
Behind the Veil, and the closer.


I'm guessing.


and maybe the opening suite as well?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: kirksnosehair on July 11, 2013, 12:04:59 PM
Can we get some crabcore on this tour?


(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55966936/CrabCore.gif)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 11, 2013, 12:07:16 PM
0:36 to 0:54 = different blast beat types, ANTR isn't a very good example

https://youtu.be/EuPYJ0bzOdM?t=31s
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BFRedrocks on July 11, 2013, 12:09:42 PM
I was looking through the track listing again and the only title that sticks out to me The Bigger Picture. That is the least DTish title I see on the album. The rest I get a good vibe from.

Sounds more like a Rush song title to me.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 11, 2013, 12:12:30 PM
I was looking through the track listing again and the only title that sticks out to me The Bigger Picture. That is the least DTish title I see on the album. The rest I get a good vibe from.

Sounds more like a Rush song title to me.  :metal
Moving the bigger pictures :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BFRedrocks on July 11, 2013, 12:16:46 PM
I guess The Enemy Inside will be the single. The title kind of reminds me of Constant Motion. Probably because it sounds :metal and CM was a pretty metal sounding single.

Yet another Rush-esque referenced song title (aka "The Enemy Within").  Although it could be more about JP's inner "bear" trying to come out too often.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: PROGdrummer on July 11, 2013, 12:18:15 PM
0:36 to 0:54 = different blast beat types, ANTR isn't a very good example

https://youtu.be/EuPYJ0bzOdM?t=31s

Blast beats in DT tho
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 12:19:24 PM
Twist: "Along for the Ride" is a 34-minute prog epic about a guy who also happened to be in the car when the Count of Tuscany took JP for a drive

That actually briefly entered my head when I saw the tracklist. CoT happens to be one of my all-time favorites so I wasn't surprised I focused on that. So instead of Petrucci as narrator we'll have a professional wine importing guitar tech. :lol

If anything like this turns out to be vaguely true I would be highly amused. I would also love to see some fanfiction written about this. Not the Twilight one.

The closest example of Count of Tuscany (and other DT-related) fan fiction I can think of is this:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=10181.0   Count of Tuscany section begins on page 5 after leaving The Silent Man.

Reading through that again, I'm again bummed that it died.  That was fun.  :(
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 11, 2013, 12:24:07 PM
0:36 to 0:54 = different blast beat types, ANTR isn't a very good example

https://youtu.be/EuPYJ0bzOdM?t=31s

Blast beats in DT tho

i'd love if DT experimented with new things from other genres, if even for small parts


it's what makes between the buried and me so good. their ability to break into completely different sounding sections easily. keeping the listener on their toes
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 11, 2013, 12:27:08 PM
I guess The Enemy Inside will be the single. The title kind of reminds me of Constant Motion. Probably because it sounds :metal and CM was a pretty metal sounding single.

Yet another Rush-esque referenced song title (aka "The Enemy Within").  Although it could be more about JP's inner "bear" trying to come out too often.  :biggrin:
Since they named the tour after Along for the Ride... I'll go with that as the first single.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonny108 on July 11, 2013, 12:30:11 PM
I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside


Already loving it, not even heard it yet haha.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 11, 2013, 12:33:00 PM
I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside


Already loving it, not even heard it yet haha.

Seems to be a powerful chorus!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 11, 2013, 12:36:05 PM
I've never understood how people can judge lyrics before hearing them in a song. To me, the words don't really anything for me if I don't hear them in context.

Not saying it's wrong, I just can't do it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 11, 2013, 12:41:19 PM
I like bands that tap into many genres, even if for a small part.  A little blast beat here, a little jazzy part there, a couple of heavy songs...keeps things interesting.
I agree with that - as long as it's appropriate to the song. The blast beat in ANtR seems to have been inserted in there just so that MP could try to do a blast beat. Personally, I hate blast beats - while they require a lot of technique, there's nothing interesting about them. However, in the right setting, a small amount can help the song. The one example that specifically comes to mind is the song Hybrid Times from Riverside, time stamp 8:34-8:39 - the blast beat works perfectly for the way the song builds up to the climax. If MM uses the blast beat in an appropriate way like that, I'd have no problem with it.
 
 
Perhaps they'll add some instrumental tracks throughout the setlist, so he can take longer breaks and rest his voice inbetween songs.
This! I'd love to see them bring back a number of live-only instrumental songs that have sections allowing for some improvisation, like they did on the Images and Tour/Music in Progress tours of 1992-1993. Over the course of that tour, they did 7 different instrumentals other than the extended improv/soloing following To Live Forever.
 
 
What do you think are the chances of them playing Wait for Sleep this tour?
Considering that they did that song on the last tour, it's too difficult to say. Not sure to what extent they'll be changing things up from tour to tour like they used to on previous tours. But to be on the safe side, don't bank on it.
 
 
I think it also has a lot to do with the setlist. Some songs, if performed night after night (or even every other night), put a lot of strain on the vocal cords. A cleverly designed set list with a couple of strategically placed instrumentals would make it a lot easier to cope with.
Exactly - that's part of what allows Rush to continue doing Evening With tours, despite the fact that Geddy is gonna be 60 soon (if he's not already)!
 
 
Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour. 

My understanding is that that is the case.
Yay!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Flacracker on July 11, 2013, 12:44:51 PM
I think blast beats are total crap. They just sound like a bunch of fast repetitious banging. No groove or beat to them at all. Now someone is going to argue me with "Isn't that what all drumming is?" or something like that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 11, 2013, 12:48:42 PM
I like blast beats, when it's done right. Peter Wildoer can do it, but MPdoesn't.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 11, 2013, 12:50:44 PM
When I first got into death metal during it's prime, I was blown away as to how fast blast beats were. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LCArenas on July 11, 2013, 01:08:44 PM
I don't know if anyone has asked this yet but....

If MP was still in the band how could he get to change the album name to the always fitting drum pun of his drumming DVD?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 11, 2013, 01:11:45 PM
I don't know if anyone has asked this yet but....

If MP was still in the band how could he get to change the album name to the always fitting drum pun of his drumming DVD?

Drum Beater?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 01:12:30 PM
I don't know if anyone has asked this yet but....

If MP was still in the band how could he get to change the album name to the always fitting drum pun of his drumming DVD?

Drum Beater?


Only Possible Option surely ?


Drum Theater at the very least.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JRuivo on July 11, 2013, 01:15:16 PM
I don't know if anyone has asked this yet but....

If MP was still in the band how could he get to change the album name to the always fitting drum pun of his drumming DVD?

Drum Theater. Easy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nicmos on July 11, 2013, 01:18:34 PM
Hoping the 'evening with format' is for the whole tour.  Looks like I may have to travel to Atlanta, but that will be fine even if I have to go by myself.  I have not found too many folks that even know of Dream Theater in my area of the US(Tennessee).

 My wife likes some of the stuff, but can only handle so much.  She still cannot get the name correct.  When I am on the computer she asks if I am on that 'Nightmare Theater' site. ;D

Agreed on the "Evening With..." format hopes for the US tour. Oh, I'll be traveling to Atlanta from TN (Chattanooga) as well and bringing those I have made into DT converts  :metal

Atlanta's probably my only hope too, still a 3-hour drive from Tuscaloosa AL.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 11, 2013, 01:24:51 PM
What if the album STARTS with the orchestra??? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 11, 2013, 01:26:19 PM
I think that's a very reasonable option, considering it's called a 'Suite'.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 01:32:02 PM
 :omg: What if the first song is ONLY the orchestra ? !
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lyfeternl on July 11, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
:omg: What if the first song is ONLY the orchestra ? !

Either way, it'll be suite... :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ? on July 11, 2013, 01:36:34 PM
I have no idea where I could find the chart from the studio report right now, but I definitely remember that all the songs included some instrumentation by at least some of the band members.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Onno on July 11, 2013, 01:40:24 PM
I have no idea where I could find the chart from the studio report right now, but I definitely remember that all the songs included some instrumentation by at least some of the band members.
Yep, that's true. I think the orchestra is on at least one of the epics.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lyfeternl on July 11, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
Perhaps we can speculate on this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc_1fwJmBk8&feature=player_detailpage#t=52s

And then CSI filter this (top right corner)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc_1fwJmBk8&feature=player_detailpage#t=53s
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 11, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
What if the album STARTS with the orchestra??? :neverusethis:
(https://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130312005204/walkingdead/images/4/42/I-See-What-You-Did-There..png)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dream Team on July 11, 2013, 02:20:12 PM
I think blast beats are total crap. They just sound like a bunch of fast repetitious banging. No groove or beat to them at all. Now someone is going to argue me with "Isn't that what all drumming is?" or something like that.

Well you're 100% wrong about that. Great extreme drummers like Derek Roddy, Flo Mounier, George Kolias etc etc play them at warp speed while perfectly in time, whether it's 220bpm or 300bpm.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 11, 2013, 02:23:45 PM
I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside


Already loving it, not even heard it yet haha.

Where did this come from?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 11, 2013, 02:24:07 PM
300bpm?  I've never heard of that, can't even imagine what that sounds like.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on July 11, 2013, 02:26:48 PM
I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside


Already loving it, not even heard it yet haha.

Where did this come from?

There was a picture that was officially released with those lyrics on a sheet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: robwebster on July 11, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
Yep - Cove City Sound Studios posted a shot to facebook. James LaBrie recording vocals, with those lyrics on the sheet. Think it's been taken down since, but not in a hurry.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 11, 2013, 02:29:25 PM
I'm running from the enemy inside
Searching for the life I left behind
These suffocating memories
Are etched upon my mind
And I can't escape from the enemy inside


Already loving it, not even heard it yet haha.

Where did this come from?
It came from people standing on the sidelines
Watching through the looking glass
caught up in their own gravity
glorifying madness
singing their own praise
:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on July 11, 2013, 02:30:39 PM
Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 11, 2013, 02:34:57 PM
There was a picture that was officially released with those lyrics on a sheet.

Yep - Cove City Sound Studios posted a shot to facebook. James LaBrie recording vocals, with those lyrics on the sheet. Think it's been taken down since, but not in a hurry.

Ah, alright.  Thanks for clarifying, guys.   :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 11, 2013, 02:47:07 PM
Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)

I think that's a little harsh  :P I will concede that Dream Theater has never been the best at coming up with good song titles, though I don't see these as any worse than past albums. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chwik on July 11, 2013, 02:52:21 PM
Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)

Kind of curious of what you think are good song titles?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 11, 2013, 02:54:00 PM
Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)

I think that's a little harsh  :P I will concede that Dream Theater has never been the best at coming up with good song titles, though I don't see these as any worse than past albums.


Personally, I think it's ridiculous to judge whether the titles are "good" or "bad" without actually having heard the songs the titles go with.  Whether a title is "good" or not depends in large part on how well it embodies the character of the song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 11, 2013, 02:58:51 PM
The only song title that's not interesting to me is Along For The Ride.  That sounds like a generic 70's rock title.  Sounds like it would be a Walk Beside You or Innocence Faded style song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 11, 2013, 02:59:28 PM
Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)

I think that's a little harsh  :P I will concede that Dream Theater has never been the best at coming up with good song titles, though I don't see these as any worse than past albums.


Personally, I think it's ridiculous to judge whether the titles are "good" or "bad" without actually having heard the songs the titles go with.  Whether a title is "good" or not depends in large part on how well it embodies the character of the song.
yes. Also to me DT song titles always seem really weird and outlandish until I have heard the music. I have to say the only exception was when the track titles for BC&SL were revealed, I thought the names were pretty awesome and that we really were getting the album with ACOS, Octavariaum and whatever songs Portnoy alluded to ( :facepalm:).
The song names definitely make more 'sense' on listening to the actual music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tom Bombadil on July 11, 2013, 03:10:49 PM
The only song title that's not interesting to me is Along For The Ride.  That sounds like a generic 70's rock title.  Sounds like it would be a Walk Beside You or Innocence Faded style song.
Fine by me. I personally love innocence faded and would like to see one song on the new album that's similar to it
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheAtliator on July 11, 2013, 03:33:10 PM
I was really rooting for Dream Theatour, can we all call it like that until they cave in? :'( or at least produce an inside joke.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Laich21DT on July 11, 2013, 03:52:19 PM
 :omg:

I'm trying hard not to get too excited right now. I have a feeling that we could be in for something really special come September 24th. I'm really excited about the tracklist, particularly the song titles. Sure, they might be a little cheesy, but it's DT after all. I loved the quote of JP saying that people are going to be "freaked out" by Mangini's drumming on the album. I don't know, but that seemed like more than just the typical pre-album bluster to me.

I'm kind of in the middle on the logo. It's not the biggest deal that they changed it, but I understand where people like Blob are coming from. No offense to anyone, but I find it surprising that some people don't see the difference, I noticed it instantly.  It also seems like weird timing, and I feel that ADTOE would have been a more appropriate time for a logo alteration, with the drummer change.

As far as the cover itself, I get a little of a DSOTM and Black Album vibe, which I don't think is purely coincidental. DT has never been shy about showing their influences, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was another way to do so. I agree that the way the earth just cuts off is a bit of an eyesore, and would prefer to see it cleaned up before actually being released, but I am not expecting that.

Either way, I'm not going to allow my opinion of the cover or the logo to affect my enjoyment of the album (not that I'm implying those who strongly dislike both are going to do so). Close to the Edge is my favorite Yes album, and one of my favorites of all time, and it has a terrible cover.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942351_10151476147082181_1618737237_n.jpg)

New pic on the FB page.

Also, am I the only one who digs this pic? They look very... confident and together. And I actually think JP's coat is pretty cool, he looks like some prog metal pimp or something.  :lol

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on July 11, 2013, 03:59:05 PM
Track titles are kinda really horribly bad. Cover art is kinda meh. These don't have anything to do with song quality though, so it doesn't bother me. :)

Kind of curious of what you think are good song titles?
Y'know, I've never really thought of a title as "good" exactly". Just ones that turn me off. I don't really like these ones at all. Like I said it doesn't really matter to me because it doesn't affect the music, I guess I just feel that way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 11, 2013, 04:00:16 PM

Also, am I the only one who digs this pic? They look very... confident and together. And I actually think JP's coat is pretty cool, he looks like some prog metal pimp or something.  :lol


I dunno, it seems like they're trying to look really metal, and not quite pulling it off.

JP's jacket is really cool, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Ayeegit on July 11, 2013, 04:02:41 PM

Also, am I the only one who digs this pic? They look very... confident and together. And I actually think JP's coat is pretty cool, he looks like some prog metal pimp or something.  :lol

The way James is holding his wrist seems *really* strange and forced... Jordan looks like he got caught saying something... seems like an odd picture.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SeRoX on July 11, 2013, 04:07:25 PM
^ This is by far their worst promo photo.

They all seem unnatural and forced.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lowdz on July 11, 2013, 04:08:30 PM
I think blast beats are total crap. They just sound like a bunch of fast repetitious banging. No groove or beat to them at all. Now someone is going to argue me with "Isn't that what all drumming is?" or something like that.

I'm right with you. I don't like the sound at all. The beginning of JLB's new single for example. It just sounds wrong.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Meatrose on July 11, 2013, 04:09:00 PM
Personally, I think it's ridiculous to judge whether the titles are "good" or "bad" without actually having heard the songs the titles go with.  Whether a title is "good" or not depends in large part on how well it embodies the character of the song.

Pretty much this.

While I definitely can understand that some titles could come off as contrived I really do think that it's impossible to fully judge a title without first hearing the song. Working titles exist for a reason and this time only one working title made it to the end. That should mean that the rest of the songs received their official titles after they were fully composed. I'd say; hold your fire for now.  :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lowdz on July 11, 2013, 04:09:40 PM
MM. How long has Blackie Lawless been in DT?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 11, 2013, 04:11:26 PM

Also, am I the only one who digs this pic? They look very... confident and together. And I actually think JP's coat is pretty cool, he looks like some prog metal pimp or something.  :lol

The way James is holding his wrist seems *really* strange and forced... Jordan looks like he got caught saying something... seems like an odd picture.
and JR in camo pants is a bit strange......it looks cool though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Laich21DT on July 11, 2013, 04:15:23 PM
I dunno, it seems like they're trying to look really metal, and not quite pulling it off.

JP's jacket is really cool, though.

I see what you mean, but when I think of trying to look metal and not pulling it off, one of the promo pics from the SC or BC&SL era come to mind. I think that JM looks a little pensive, Jordan looks pissed, but JP has the badass jacket. I understand what people are saying about James' wrist, that is a little weird. I just like the air of a strong leader that he gives off there. But yeah... I just have to say, Mangini's hair looks extremely feminine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nicmos on July 11, 2013, 04:17:59 PM
Mangini looks like he's ready to block a free kick.  :P

I'm just gonna say it.  It looks like everyone except Jordan is dying their hair now.  I wish they would just be graying rock gods instead.  I think that would be awesomer.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: AngelBack on July 11, 2013, 04:33:34 PM

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942351_10151476147082181_1618737237_n.jpg)


I get the feeling this is the looks DTF would get as the band collectively read the criticisms of the artwork and tracklist.

Jordan is like: "WTF!?!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 11, 2013, 04:34:11 PM
I'm just gonna say it.  It looks like everyone except Jordan is dying their hair now.  I wish they would just be graying rock gods instead.  I think that would be awesomer.

I completely agree. Mangini, especially, looks kind of ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 11, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
I feel like they had to keep telling Mangini not to smile.  He looks like he's trying really, really hard not to smile.

Maybe it's just me. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GasparXR on July 11, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
I feel like they had to keep telling Mangini not to smile.  He looks like he's trying really, really hard not to smile.

Maybe it's just me. 

It's definitely not just you. :lol He's always smiling.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 11, 2013, 04:43:12 PM
I wish I had any skill whatsoever with Photoshop right now.   :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tomislav95 on July 11, 2013, 04:44:16 PM
And JM is badass like always.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: matte.braso on July 11, 2013, 04:50:38 PM
JM is like:

(https://fluwiki.wikispaces.com/file/view/master%20shifu.jpg/402067784/398x346/master%20shifu.jpg)

 :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 04:51:25 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1003701_165770476939258_23748003_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 11, 2013, 04:55:45 PM
Seemingly, some people has watched IN STUDIO parts II and III. Is this possible? Thanks in advance buddies!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
RR uploaded them both but forgot to mark them as private initially.

I saw part 2 once before it was taken down but my lips are sealed...........  :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 04:59:59 PM
Mangini, especially, looks kind of ridiculous.

Let's curb the criticisms of bandmember appearances, please.

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 11, 2013, 05:00:22 PM
What's the reason for uploading something restricted?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 05:01:02 PM
Seemingly, some people has watched IN STUDIO parts II and III. Is this possible? Thanks in advance buddies!


Please do not ask people to share information about leaked material.  Read the forum rules if you have not already done so, espcially:

Quote
2a. Sharing, requests for sharing, offers to share, or discussion of illegally obtaining pirated material is strictly prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, warez, direct links, asking for links/files, and hinting at resources for finding the material.

2b. With regard to "leaked" material, you are not allowed to discuss the leaking or sharing of an album by any artist, or that an album has leaked.  In addition to the above, with regard to Dream Theater and side-projects by the members of Dream Theater, you may not discuss the leaked material whatsoever.  For other bands, you can in most cases discuss the content of the leaked material as long as you do not reference the leak, where you obtained the material, or sharing the leaked material.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 11, 2013, 05:04:20 PM
Sorry but I did not asked for the links. I just wanted to know if that was possible.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 11, 2013, 05:08:50 PM
Moreover, I don't think that's a leak if Roadrunner itself uploaded them both but forgot to take measures.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Jaffa on July 11, 2013, 05:09:50 PM
The point is, we're not supposed to discuss it, because we're not supposed to know about it.  Their mistake, not ours, but we're still trying to respect their wishes and wait for the videos to be officially released.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 11, 2013, 05:13:09 PM
Moreover, I don't think that's a leak if Roadrunner itself uploaded them both but forgot to take measures.
When something is released by accident, it's still a leak.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GasparXR on July 11, 2013, 05:14:25 PM
Moreover, I don't think that's a leak if Roadrunner itself uploaded them both but forgot to take measures.

You pretty much described a leak perfectly right there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 11, 2013, 05:16:44 PM
Ok. I' m trowing all my dictionaries because I finally know everything I'm supposed to know about this issue. Thanks!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Flacracker on July 11, 2013, 05:18:00 PM
Just think about how long it is going to be until DT12 comes out. We still have to finish July. Then we have to go through the WHOLE month of August. And then we need to go through almost ALL of September. God its killing me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 05:18:46 PM
Just think about how long it is going to be until DT12 comes out. We still have to finish July. Then we have to go through the WHOLE month of August. And then we need to go through almost ALL of September. God its killing me.

Find something else to do til then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 11, 2013, 05:20:18 PM
I'm also waiting for Impermanent Resonance ( James' new album). It comes out on July 29th I think.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 11, 2013, 05:23:01 PM
Just think about how long it is going to be until DT12 comes out. We still have to finish July. Then we have to go through the WHOLE month of August. And then we need to go through almost ALL of September. God its killing me.

Find something else to do til then.


Forreal. There's an overwhelming amount of music out there that you haven't heard, and any given artist could be your next Dream Theater. If that can't keep you excited for the next 2 months, then I don't know what will.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 11, 2013, 05:24:51 PM
Just think about how long it is going to be until DT12 comes out. We still have to finish July. Then we have to go through the WHOLE month of August. And then we need to go through almost ALL of September. God its killing me.

Find something else to do til then.

(https://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130428141232/dragonball/images/3/30/You_don't_say.png)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 11, 2013, 05:25:51 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 05:27:41 PM
Just think about how long it is going to be until DT12 comes out. We still have to finish July. Then we have to go through the WHOLE month of August. And then we need to go through almost ALL of September. God its killing me.

Find something else to do til then.

*STUPID FAGGOTY MEME INSTEAD OF INTELLECTUAL RESPONSE*


 ::) ::) ::)


For me - it's gorgeous weather in the UK at the moment and i'm enjoying that and recording my next album and visiting the cinema every few weeks.

Sep will come soon enough if you arent waiting for it on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 11, 2013, 05:30:22 PM
I agree ^ So hot over here, also my response was within the same field of intellectual-ness as your 1st response was.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 05:32:35 PM
I agree ^ So hot over here, also my response was within the same field of intellectual-ness as your 1st response was.

Not Even Close.

Some people need to be reminded that checking DTF every day for updates will only make the wait seem longer.

Getting distracted by a hobby or other activities or getting into other bands or films or something will make the wait that much quicker.


I've often remarked that band's albums seem to come out really close together when im not actively waiting for them. Then I found out that it's been 3 or 4 years and I didn't even realise because I wasn't checking for updates every single day or scouring the net for news, etc....

But yeah a meme was the most intelligent reply to all that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 11, 2013, 05:34:05 PM
Both of you need to stop, now.  And Kowtowboy, you really need to be more careful about your word choices going forward.

Quote
5. Keep your language reasonable. Repeated and inappropriate usage of explicit language is forbidden. Violators will be warned before any serious action is taken. No racially offensive posts. No posts that are derogatory toward gender or sexual preference. No posts that use slang terms for any race, sexual preference, or religious background. Includes signatures.

Come on now.  I shouldn't have even had to have pointed that out. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 05:36:47 PM
Sorry Bosk - i get really wound up when I try to make a helpful comment such as find other things to occupy your time with and the wait will go a lot quicker and I just get a smart arse reply. Not even that - a meme.


 :chill :heart :) :heart :chill

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 11, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
It was just banter bosky (well it was for me anyway) but sorry for off topic (if that's what you're telling me off for)

Edit: come on kotowboy, it's just a picture, I didn't think it'd cause this much distress, usually it's just, comment, joke, hahaha, move on here.. but if you feel need, PM me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TAC on July 11, 2013, 05:39:49 PM
What's a meme?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 11, 2013, 05:41:19 PM
time for more popcorn....   :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 11, 2013, 05:43:06 PM
....So, how 'bout that new Dream Theater album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 11, 2013, 05:43:56 PM
....So, how 'bout that new Dream Theater album?

Seems like it would be great!  If not for the cover art, song titles and long wait!   :sadpanda:


 :xbones    :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 05:45:19 PM
No PM necessary - as I've mentioned on this forum - i'm just a misery pants.  :sadpanda:



NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING !!!!  :police: :police: :police:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TheAtliator on July 11, 2013, 05:45:30 PM
What's a meme?


Well, here's one thing that's becoming one..   :\
....So, how 'bout that new Dream Theater album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 05:46:12 PM

Seems like it would be great!  If not for the cover art, song titles and long wait!   :sadpanda:



Have you thought about filling your time with other extra curricular activities to lessen the wait ? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 11, 2013, 05:47:45 PM

Seems like it would be great!  If not for the cover art, song titles and long wait!   :sadpanda:



Have you thought about filling your time with other extra curricular activities to lessen the wait ? :neverusethis:

Extra-curricular activities always get me in trouble...   :blush :sadpanda:

 :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 11, 2013, 05:48:08 PM
Must..... Resist....

No worries Kotow.  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 11, 2013, 05:49:50 PM
I am positive that DREAM THEATER will be more eclectic style-wise. They may have combined heaviness and melody the way they are known for. I am sure that some tracks will blow our minds!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 11, 2013, 05:50:35 PM
I am positive that DREAM THEATER will be more eclectic style-wise. They may have combined heaviness and melody the way they are known for. I am sure that some tracks will blow our minds!

Atta boy!  THAT'S the spirit!    :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Lark the Starless on July 11, 2013, 05:50:53 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned...

In the "Episode 1: DT in the Studio" video on YouTube, at around the 0:06-0:09 mark, it seems that we might have gotten a brief glimpse into the new album cover.

Does anyone else see this?

Posting this again to get some of your guys' opinions.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 05:51:02 PM
Must..... Resist....

No worries Kotow.  :)

..quick tangent - but i've considered getting help for but I don't see what the point would be...I don't want to take medication so why go ?



Don't know if this has been mentioned...

In the "Episode 1: DT in the Studio" video on YouTube, at around the 0:06-0:09 mark, it seems that we might have gotten a brief glimpse into the new album cover.

Does anyone else see this?

Posting this again to get some of your guys' opinions.


Screen caps would be good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: senecadawg2 on July 11, 2013, 05:52:37 PM
That little blue font is making me blind  :o
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 11, 2013, 05:57:41 PM
Just saw on DTs twitter: "An evening with Dream Theater "Along for the Ride" world tour..."

The whole tour being "Evening with..." format seems confirmed to me. I would link, but I'm stupid when it comes to posting pics or screen caps.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on July 11, 2013, 05:58:41 PM
What's a meme?


Well, here's one thing that's becoming one..   :\
....So, how 'bout that new Dream Theater album?

Just trying to keep discussion on track. Don't want this one to get locked, too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: eosforum on July 11, 2013, 06:06:31 PM
I'm pretty sure this thread won't last until the end of September either. I guess we''ll need like four of them to carry us until the release of the album :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 11, 2013, 06:07:34 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned...

In the "Episode 1: DT in the Studio" video on YouTube, at around the 0:06-0:09 mark, it seems that we might have gotten a brief glimpse into the new album cover.

Does anyone else see this?

Posting this again to get some of your guys' opinions.

Are you talking about this?  This is all I see from :06 - :09...

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3751/9263704873_b14979c676_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 06:09:01 PM
Yeah and it's just a lens flare effect on the video to me..
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: cosmicwxdude on July 11, 2013, 06:32:39 PM
I think they rather look menacing in a futuristic cowboy sort of a way.   :millahhhh
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: matte.braso on July 11, 2013, 06:57:01 PM
I wonder what will the CD/DVD extra content consist of. I mean, in studio ep.1 is much shorter compared to a single episode of the Spirit Carries on documentary. Is it only a small part and we'll have a full-lenght documentary (e.g. 60 min.) or we'll see something else?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 11, 2013, 07:08:17 PM
I know there's a docu on the Luna Park DVD so I dunno.

I REALLY want the entire album played live in the studio.  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: DreamTension on July 11, 2013, 07:16:42 PM
Does anyone else remember JP mentioning in an interview that he wanted the fans to hear the new album in its entirety with virgin ears? To experience it without any preconceived notions?

It's the complete opposite of how they handled the pre release of ADTOE, but I think that means we won't be getting any snippets and possibly no pre release single.

Is this possible? Does that interview exist? Am I crazy?

Super excited for DT12!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 11, 2013, 07:25:05 PM
that's just not possible to do nowadays. snippets will always be there. there's always some foreign amazon site that gets them early.

i think he's talking more about speculation and how fans blow anything they say in the pre-release out of proportion


last time around mangini not writing with them and JP programming rough drum ideas somehow equated to: mangini wrote nothing of his own, JP completely wrote all the drum ideas (yes there are people who still believe that)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 11, 2013, 08:00:16 PM
Close to the Edge has a terrible cover.

No, it doesn't.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 11, 2013, 08:04:44 PM
Close to the Edge has a terrible cover.
Wat. Close To The Edge is so cool. All other green covers pale in comparison.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Laich21DT on July 11, 2013, 09:01:26 PM
Seeing as I don't know of any other all green album covers, I can't compare.  :lol

Maybe terrible was the wrong word. Extremely boring, how about that. The artwork on the inside of the album is awesome, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mosh on July 11, 2013, 09:17:31 PM
I dunno, I like the simplicity of it. Yes album covers are awesome, but they're so involved that they don't leave much to the imagination. So in that sense, Close to the Edge is a bit of a blank canvas, in that regard. And the green just gives off an earthy feel that I love.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dacling on July 11, 2013, 09:18:33 PM
Close to the Edge has a terrible cover.
Wat. Close To The Edge is so cool. All other green covers pale in comparison.

Exactly. It is so amazing. It's so simplistic but the colors just look so beautiful for some reason and the inside of it is just magnificent. I bought a vinyl of it just because I love the art so much and I have it sitting next to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 11, 2013, 09:20:22 PM
that's just not possible to do nowadays. snippets will always be there. there's always some foreign amazon site that gets them early.

i think he's talking more about speculation and how fans blow anything they say in the pre-release out of proportion


last time around mangini not writing with them and JP programming rough drum ideas somehow equated to: mangini wrote nothing of his own, JP completely wrote all the drum ideas (yes there are people who still believe that)
Who would possibly do something like that?? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 11, 2013, 09:26:55 PM
Nobody here!

Surely, he's paranoid and overreacting!   :loser:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on July 11, 2013, 09:55:25 PM
Close to the Edge has a terrible cover.

No, it doesn't.
I think it has an atrocious cover when compared to their others. The inside is a different story though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Super Dude on July 11, 2013, 10:16:05 PM
I usually don't like resurrecting long-dead jokes and beating long-dead horses, but the "Along the Ride Tour" thing is just begging for a Horatio Caine meme iteration.

But at this point if someone tries to pull it off and just messes it up somehow, that joke will be dead forever.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: theseoafs on July 11, 2013, 10:27:47 PM
I usually don't like resurrecting long-dead jokes and beating long-dead horses, but the "Along the Ride Tour" thing is just begging for a Horatio Caine meme iteration.

But at this point if someone tries to pull it off and just messes it up somehow, that joke will be dead forever.

You mean like this?

(https://i.qkme.me/3v5gvi.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Super Dude on July 11, 2013, 10:52:22 PM
Yes, except funny.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: theseoafs on July 11, 2013, 10:57:52 PM
Yes, except funny.

Ah, I was trying to mess it up and make it so that the joke is "dead forever".  I guess the meme wasn't bad enough (which I find a little surprising honestly)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Super Dude on July 11, 2013, 10:58:32 PM
Yeah, but a last hurrah wouldn't have been so bad.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: TL on July 11, 2013, 11:02:22 PM
So I just got back from a week long trip, give or take, with no internet.

The cover looks good. I like the minimalism of it. I'm guessing there will probably be a sticker with the name on the shrinkwrap.

The track listing; those titles definitely seem like new ground for DT, which is something I remember saying about the ADTOE track titles, and ADTOE ended up being fantastic. Some of them are a bit... odd... but then The Count of Tuscany ended up being great, so I'll wait and see.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: tartarus250 on July 12, 2013, 12:56:23 AM
Loving the new cover art it will look great on a tshirt :-) titles look good as well can't wait to hear it :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Nefarius on July 12, 2013, 01:57:06 AM
I'm really looking forward to the announcement and preorder availability of the bigass badass limited edition box set.

The BCSL/ADTOE sets are just great, both visually appealing and with all the extras. There were instrumental mix CDs, silver tickets, golden tickets, a song stem DVD, an additional cover songs CD, and of course the vinyl versions with extended artwork.

What do you think will be the special extras in the DT12 box set? I'll get it anyway, just curious. :angel:

Greetings...
Nef
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: The Stray Seed on July 12, 2013, 04:02:45 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942351_10151476147082181_1618737237_n.jpg)

New pic on the FB page.

Also, am I the only one who digs this pic? They look very... confident and together. And I actually think JP's coat is pretty cool, he looks like some prog metal pimp or something.  :lol

JLB and JR are my favourites in this pic.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlackInk on July 12, 2013, 04:16:19 AM
Mangini hair looks like a woman's hair.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Elite on July 12, 2013, 04:19:55 AM
And JP looks odd in that coat. Probably because we've always seen him in a T-shirt.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: MoraWintersoul on July 12, 2013, 04:24:46 AM
Mangini hair looks like a woman's hair.
Is that supposed to be derogatory or what?

The poses are all forced, but it's not like DT dudes are photo models, it's hardly a quality they should possess, don't y'all think? :tup They look pretty damn fine to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: serrano on July 12, 2013, 04:40:02 AM
Mangini hair looks like a woman's hair.
Is that supposed to be derogatory or what?

The poses are all forced, but it's not like DT dudes are photo models, it's hardly a quality they should possess, don't y'all think? :tup They look pretty damn fine to me.

I agree that the poses are forced, but this is actually the photographers fault. There are far better promo photos from them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: nicbor87 on July 12, 2013, 05:18:42 AM
Don't know if this has been pointed out before, and it might seem farfetched, but the song titles kinda remind me of previous DT albums, as in the topics they deal with:

1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE - SC. "False awakening" and it's subtitles are somewhat descriptive for Forsaken, ITPOE, TDEN and MOLS
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE - SDOIT. Mental illness and stuff.
3. THE LOOKING GLASS - FII. The Cover!  ;D Yeah, this one is tough.
4. ENIGMA MACHINE - 8VM. Should be self-explanatory
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE - BCSL. Theres always a silver lining if you look at the bigger picture. All BCSL songs come down to that.
6. BEHIND THE VEIL - Awake. Deals with many aspects of seclusion and isolation, e.g. being behind a veil
7. SURRENDER TO REASON - ACOS. Come to terms with yourself and seize the day.
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE - TOT. Trains. Ride. Obvious right?  ;D
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY - SFAM. Just look at the title and subtitles. Its like SFAM in a nutshell.

I'm probably stretching things here but it kinda jumped me when i read the titles.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: adastra on July 12, 2013, 05:21:06 AM
Mangini hair looks like a woman's hair.

Yeah, It really does.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 12, 2013, 05:26:58 AM
I think JP looks like a  boss in that jacket. I don't think it's a bad photo I think it's just kinda funny cause they're trying to look badass but you still get a strong dad vibe from it  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Another_Won on July 12, 2013, 05:42:10 AM
They should have used that new phone app that lets you fix each persons face.  All of their expressions just seem odd to me . . . except JMX of course.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Mladen on July 12, 2013, 06:12:44 AM
It's a strange photo, I guess. Mangini does look like he's trying too hard not to be a sweetheart he is, and there's something odd about the way James is holding his hand. But who cares.  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: me7 on July 12, 2013, 06:20:08 AM
Agree on Mangini's hair looking girlish, and JP looks like an extra from the TV show Firefly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 12, 2013, 06:24:41 AM
JP looks like an extra from the TV show Firefly.
YES!  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 12, 2013, 06:29:44 AM
Don't know if this has been pointed out before, and it might seem farfetched, but the song titles kinda remind me of previous DT albums, as in the topics they deal with:

1. FALSE AWAKENING SUITE - SC. "False awakening" and it's subtitles are somewhat descriptive for Forsaken, ITPOE, TDEN and MOLS
2. THE ENEMY INSIDE - SDOIT. Mental illness and stuff.
3. THE LOOKING GLASS - FII. The Cover!  ;D Yeah, this one is tough.
4. ENIGMA MACHINE - 8VM. Should be self-explanatory
5. THE BIGGER PICTURE - BCSL. Theres always a silver lining if you look at the bigger picture. All BCSL songs come down to that.
6. BEHIND THE VEIL - Awake. Deals with many aspects of seclusion and isolation, e.g. being behind a veil
7. SURRENDER TO REASON - ACOS. Come to terms with yourself and seize the day.
8. ALONG FOR THE RIDE - TOT. Trains. Ride. Obvious right?  ;D
9. ILLUMINATION THEORY - SFAM. Just look at the title and subtitles. Its like SFAM in a nutshell.

I'm probably stretching things here but it kinda jumped me when i read the titles.

A bit far fetched (especially the FAS one), but still a clever find  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 06:31:26 AM
I'm sure we do the " is this album about all their albums " every time they bring out a new CD. :P

Or my memory is playing tricks on me ! ;D



If any album is about another - WDADU is clearly about DT12 since Dream Theater is the name of the album and the sun is rising behind the earth..

It's when Dream ( theater ) and Day ( time ) Unite !
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 12, 2013, 06:36:15 AM
This may have been mentioned already, but from a quick glance, I don't think any acronyms for the new songs are the same as any other DT songs or albums... or are there some I'm forgetting?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 06:37:08 AM
This may have been mentioned already, but from a quick glance, I don't think any acronyms for the new songs are the same as any other DT songs or albums... or are there some I'm forgetting?

AYe it has been mentioned already and no they do not overlap :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: jonnybaxy on July 12, 2013, 06:41:50 AM
T'was me, they don't overlap, but I think 2 are close or something
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ariich on July 12, 2013, 07:05:11 AM
Cool. That's very considerate of them!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 12, 2013, 07:08:15 AM
JP looks like an extra from the TV show Firefly.
YES!  :lol

Exactly!   Browncoats, unite!   :lol

I do like the coat, tho.  :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 07:37:10 AM
A quick wallpaper I made :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dongringo on July 12, 2013, 07:39:22 AM
Nice^ I'm reminded of Testament - The New Order.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 07:40:28 AM
That took me all of 5 minutes and I prefer it to the actual artwork :lol

I wonder if the band realise how ludicrously easy it is make decent artwork and how badly they're getting ripped off ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: krands85 on July 12, 2013, 07:43:58 AM
A quick wallpaper I made :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
Cool, do you have a larger version? i.e 1920x1080?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wasteland on July 12, 2013, 07:45:31 AM
Well, we don't know the identity of the artist. For all we know that could have been made by JP himself or by one of their children for a little more than an icecream  :lol

By the way, why does the blue gas cuts so suddenly into darkness on the left of the logo? Boooooo! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 07:47:21 AM
A quick wallpaper I made :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
Cool, do you have a larger version? i.e 1920x1080?

I'll see what I can do ? :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Super Dude on July 12, 2013, 07:53:08 AM
So I guess the new forum theme will be pure black?
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 07:53:29 AM
A quick wallpaper I made :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
Cool, do you have a larger version? i.e 1920x1080?

https://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/kotowboy/MyWallpaperLARGE.png~original

How's this ? ;P
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 12, 2013, 07:57:12 AM
That took me all of 5 minutes and I prefer it to the actual artwork :lol

I wonder if the band realise how ludicrously easy it is make decent artwork and how badly they're getting ripped off ?

To be fair, if you think it's ludicrously easy, you're not really aware of all it entails. Could you have made that Majesty logo on your own? Did you do any editing to that planet other than maybe colour tweaks and placement? Yeah, it's a cool image, but you're just taking other people's work and pasting them together, not really creating an original image on your own. It looks good because someone else made a nice image that you nabbed, not because it's ludicrously easy to do. And this is for a cover that is nothing but a planet and a logo.

Criticize Hugh Syme for his use of stock images, but if you actually look at the details, there is still a lot of work in putting them together to create a unique image that isn't just flogged from DeviantArt, and in the composition/arrangement, not to mention coming up with the ideas and concepts to begin with. If you come up with a fresh idea, and create that image from scratch on your own, you'd see all that is involved. Then multiply that by 8-10 for all of the booklet art too, and maybe you'll gain some perspective before stating so boldly that DT is being ripped is because you have a copy of Photoshop too.

I'm not absolving Hugh Syme for his mistakes, as I'm as critical as anyone else here of DT's covers, but I don't think you really appreciate the work that is involved even for what people consider "lazy".

/rant
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: atmyne on July 12, 2013, 07:57:36 AM
A quick wallpaper I made :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
I cannot un-see the square of space in the top left corner
:neverusethis::neverusethis::neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 12, 2013, 07:58:23 AM
Reminds me of...
(https://www.vblurpage.com/images/universal_cd1-euro_cover_big.jpg)

Wearing that t-shirt right now.  It's almost 20 years old.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 12, 2013, 07:59:59 AM
So I guess the new forum theme will be pure black?

I hope so.  Bored with this theme.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 08:00:17 AM
A quick wallpaper I made :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
I cannot un-see the square of space in the top left corner
:neverusethis::neverusethis::neverusethis:


:lol :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 08:02:46 AM
That took me all of 5 minutes and I prefer it to the actual artwork :lol

I wonder if the band realise how ludicrously easy it is make decent artwork and how badly they're getting ripped off ?

To be fair, if you think it's ludicrously easy, you're not really aware of all it entails. Could you have made that Majesty logo on your own? Did you do any editing to that planet other than maybe colour tweaks and placement? Yeah, it's a cool image, but you're just taking other people's work and pasting them together, not really creating an original image on your own. It looks good because someone else made a nice image that you nabbed, not because it's ludicrously easy to do. And this is for a cover that is nothing but a planet and a logo.

Criticize Hugh Syme for his use of stock images, but if you actually look at the details, there is still a lot of work in putting them together to create a unique image that isn't just flogged from DeviantArt, and in the composition/arrangement, not to mention coming up with the ideas and concepts to begin with. If you come up with a fresh idea, and create that image from scratch on your own, you'd see all that is involved. Then multiply that by 8-10 for all of the booklet art too, and maybe you'll gain some perspective before stating so boldly that DT is being ripped is because you have a copy of Photoshop too.

I'm not absolving Hugh Syme for his mistakes, as I'm as critical as anyone else here of DT's covers, but I don't think you really appreciate the work that is involved even for what people consider "lazy".

/rant

My brother is a Photoshop artist too and i've seen the amount of work that he puts into his covers and he is an absolute perfectionist.

He doesn't do it for a living - he just has pride in his work.

I guess if you'd been getting away with charging for as long as Syme has - you no longer care.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 12, 2013, 08:05:33 AM
A quick wallpaper I made :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)

This is pretty good! I feel like the lens flare would be more of a radial effect and less of a straight line as the sun came over the earth, but that might just be a personal thing.

Still a fan of the original too, since I can't see the line on my phone anyway. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 12, 2013, 08:06:15 AM
Man, that looks great. I wouldn't mind a widescreen size of it :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 08:06:58 AM
https://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/kotowboy/MyWallpaperLARGE.png~original

How is this Zydar ? :zydar:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Zydar on July 12, 2013, 08:08:37 AM
Outstanding :zydar:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 08:11:54 AM
There's still errors but I did it for myself mainly and i'm absolutely TERRIBLE at photoshop :lol

Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: puppyonacid on July 12, 2013, 08:12:17 AM
Can somebody please take that band shot and do 5 more versions with each band members face occupying all the other members at once. You know, one with just JPs face, one with just MMs..........and so on.

I find those pics quite ticklish and frankly I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: krands85 on July 12, 2013, 08:27:56 AM
A quick wallpaper I made :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
Cool, do you have a larger version? i.e 1920x1080?

https://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/kotowboy/MyWallpaperLARGE.png~original (https://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/kotowboy/MyWallpaperLARGE.png~original)

How's this ? ;P
;D :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Implode on July 12, 2013, 08:51:20 AM
Mangini hair looks like a woman's hair.
Is that supposed to be derogatory or what?

The poses are all forced, but it's not like DT dudes are photo models, it's hardly a quality they should possess, don't y'all think? :tup They look pretty damn fine to me.

I don't think that was supposed to be derogatory. It looks like Mangini is wearing one of those bump-its from the infomercials. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Podaar on July 12, 2013, 09:00:10 AM
To be fair, if you think it's ludicrously easy, you're not really aware of all it entails. Could you have made that Majesty logo on your own? Did you do any editing to that planet other than maybe colour tweaks and placement? Yeah, it's a cool image, but you're just taking other people's work and pasting them together, not really creating an original image on your own. It looks good because someone else made a nice image that you nabbed, not because it's ludicrously easy to do. And this is for a cover that is nothing but a planet and a logo.

Criticize Hugh Syme for his use of stock images, but if you actually look at the details, there is still a lot of work in putting them together to create a unique image that isn't just flogged from DeviantArt, and in the composition/arrangement, not to mention coming up with the ideas and concepts to begin with. If you come up with a fresh idea, and create that image from scratch on your own, you'd see all that is involved. Then multiply that by 8-10 for all of the booklet art too, and maybe you'll gain some perspective before stating so boldly that DT is being ripped is because you have a copy of Photoshop too.

I'm not absolving Hugh Syme for his mistakes, as I'm as critical as anyone else here of DT's covers, but I don't think you really appreciate the work that is involved even for what people consider "lazy".

/rant

Very well stated! I'd also like to add that ray-tracing would have been a viable, fantastic and time consuming way to achieve a great cover based on this concept. I have great respect for people who create great art with ray tracing...I dabbled in it for a few years back in the 80's and know how difficult it is to get effects like this.

(https://hof.povray.org/images/800x600/DistantShores.jpg)

I think record companies are overlooking a valuable asset by not employing ray-tracing artists. https://hof.povray.org/ (https://hof.povray.org/)

OT: I really dig JP's jacket in that photo as well. Though, the fleur de li does seem a bit odd.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 12, 2013, 09:21:39 AM
Very well stated! I'd also like to add that ray-tracing would have been a viable, fantastic and time consuming way to achieve a great cover based on this concept. I have great respect for people who create great art with ray tracing...I dabbled in it for a few years back in the 80's and know how difficult it is to get effects like this.

(https://hof.povray.org/images/800x600/DistantShores.jpg)

I think record companies are overlooking a valuable asset by not employing ray-tracing artists. https://hof.povray.org/ (https://hof.povray.org/)

I hear DT have a pretty good "ray-tracing artist" for their live projection videos. :blob:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 12, 2013, 09:22:29 AM
I heard that too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Podaar on July 12, 2013, 09:25:55 AM
I hear DT have a pretty good "ray-tracing artist" for their live projection videos. :blob:

 :biggrin: Touche
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 12, 2013, 09:47:54 AM

anyway, Rich Chycki on twitter has denied the autenticity of every leak uploaded on youtube, but the most important thing is that he considers DT12 as 'a pretty special album'.


I've decided that this means that DT12 will sound just like Winter Rose.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: BlobVanDam on July 12, 2013, 09:54:02 AM

anyway, Rich Chycki on twitter has denied the autenticity of every leak uploaded on youtube, but the most important thing is that he considers DT12 as 'a pretty special album'.


I've decided that this means that DT12 will sound just like Winter Rose.

I'd be down with that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: mike099 on July 12, 2013, 10:00:02 AM
That cover is really cool.

It would be funny if the band and record company came up with the idea of putting out the cover and list and then changing for the final product.

For some reason 'along for the ride' got me thinking of the Count of Tuscany.



A quick wallpaper I made :)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002296_165912830258356_1565380944_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: lyfeternl on July 12, 2013, 10:06:03 AM
Along the Ride got me more thinking about Home... :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dublagent66 on July 12, 2013, 10:15:07 AM
I've never really been much of a critic concerning DT's cover art.  It is what it is and if it wasn't, it would be something else.  In other words, it is exactly how they want it and that's fine with me.  After all, we don't buy DT albums to look at the covers all day.  It's the quality of music within that counts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 12, 2013, 10:18:14 AM
I've never really been much of a critic concerning DT's cover art.  It is what it is and if it wasn't, it would be something else.  In other words, it is exactly how they want it and that's fine with me.  After all, we don't buy DT albums to look at the covers all day.  It's the quality of music within that counts.

 :tup  Me too.  But that cut off graphic is pretty amateurish.  Hopefully that's just the mock-up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: SeRoX on July 12, 2013, 10:19:23 AM

anyway, Rich Chycki on twitter has denied the autenticity of every leak uploaded on youtube, but the most important thing is that he considers DT12 as 'a pretty special album'.


I've decided that this means that DT12 will sound just like Winter Rose.

As long as James sounds like he did on WR, no problem. :neverusethis:



Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: JRuless on July 12, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
That took me all of 5 minutes and I prefer it to the actual artwork :lol

I wonder if the band realise how ludicrously easy it is make decent artwork and how badly they're getting ripped off ?

To be fair, if you think it's ludicrously easy, you're not really aware of all it entails. Could you have made that Majesty logo on your own? Did you do any editing to that planet other than maybe colour tweaks and placement? Yeah, it's a cool image, but you're just taking other people's work and pasting them together, not really creating an original image on your own. It looks good because someone else made a nice image that you nabbed, not because it's ludicrously easy to do. And this is for a cover that is nothing but a planet and a logo.

Criticize Hugh Syme for his use of stock images, but if you actually look at the details, there is still a lot of work in putting them together to create a unique image that isn't just flogged from DeviantArt, and in the composition/arrangement, not to mention coming up with the ideas and concepts to begin with. If you come up with a fresh idea, and create that image from scratch on your own, you'd see all that is involved. Then multiply that by 8-10 for all of the booklet art too, and maybe you'll gain some perspective before stating so boldly that DT is being ripped is because you have a copy of Photoshop too.

I'm not absolving Hugh Syme for his mistakes, as I'm as critical as anyone else here of DT's covers, but I don't think you really appreciate the work that is involved even for what people consider "lazy".

/rant

Agreed. there's a huge gap between executing and concept-thinking. as well between artist and photoshop geek.

i cant judge before i know the concept in total.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 12, 2013, 11:02:00 AM
Nothing wrong with female musicians in my opinion.  Some of my favorite bands are Warpaint and Drain STH, both all girl bands.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 12, 2013, 11:05:36 AM
Nothing wrong with female musicians in my opinion.  Some of my favorite bands are Warpaint and Drain STH, both all girl bands.

No I just meant my complete lack of musical talent. I love female musicians. I'm a big fan of Halestorm mainly because of Lzzy Hale. :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 12, 2013, 01:23:34 PM
While this is plenty entertaining, let's keep this stuff in the pic thread please.  I'm going to move the existing ones.  This thread is going to get plenty long as it is with actual new album info.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Kotowboy on July 12, 2013, 01:25:25 PM
SO, how about that Dream Theater Dream Theater album ?  :police:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: sueño on July 12, 2013, 01:34:33 PM
It's going to sound very like Dream Theater, that's what I hear!  ;)


*shhhh don't tell anyone!*    :censored
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 12, 2013, 01:36:00 PM
I'm relentlessly listening to older DT albums to try and pass the time until the new album. I've listened through FII and Octavarium! And it's only... *checks time* 3:33 PM.

....

This is going to be harder than I thought.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 12, 2013, 01:38:01 PM
I'm really excited for the new album. Some new info would be nice, but I suspect what's coming in the videos and all other presale promo stuff is gonna be amazing and give me that nervous, "so excited i'm gonna hurl" feeling.

This is like the longest Christmas Eve in history!
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 12, 2013, 01:46:20 PM
I'm really excited for the new album. Some new info would be nice, but I suspect what's coming in the videos and all other presale promo stuff is gonna be amazing and give me that nervous, "so excited i'm gonna hurl" feeling.

This is like the longest Christmas Eve in history!

Agreed. I want to know what the North American tour dates will be! I don't care how far I have to travel.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: bosk1 on July 12, 2013, 01:50:10 PM
I'm really excited for the new album. Some new info would be nice, but I suspect what's coming in the videos and all other presale promo stuff is gonna be amazing and give me that nervous, "so excited i'm gonna hurl" feeling.

This is like the longest Christmas Eve in history!

Well, what is typical is once an album is done, there is usually a 10-12 week promotional/marketing cycle before release date.  Since the press release with album title and track listing, etc., we're right about in that general timeline.  I think what makes it feel even longer than the norm is the fact that we've known they were working on the album for quite awhile now, and we were told the release date pretty far in advance.  So that's a bit unusual.  But otherwise, this is pretty much in line with industry standard.  What that means is that during this next period, they are doing things like finalizing the album art, figuring out the release of any initial singles or videos, making preparations to ramp up other marketing and promotion efforts, and then pressing and distributing the physical copies.  I guarantee that there is a lot going on right now, even if we may not see it just yet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 12, 2013, 01:52:34 PM
I'd love to see them live with MM. I've only seen them in the declining time with MP, when it didn't look like they were having much fun. I'm gonna have to road trip somewhere to see them though. Gas prices on top of ticket prices might keep me away. I hope they'll do a dvd of the tour. We'll see.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: GandL on July 12, 2013, 01:54:43 PM
While this is plenty entertaining, let's keep this stuff in the pic thread please.  I'm going to move the existing ones.  This thread is going to get plenty long as it is with actual new album info.  Thanks.

Fair  ;)

For me this new CD will mark an new era, just like we can segregate the ones from Rush, (from 68 to 76, 76 to 81, 81 to 88, ...). We are on a treat and we will be all amazed. This is how I'm trilled about it. Being self title, getting an unusual artwork, nice titles, I'm pumped  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: wolven74 on July 12, 2013, 01:57:11 PM
I'm really excited for the new album. Some new info would be nice, but I suspect what's coming in the videos and all other presale promo stuff is gonna be amazing and give me that nervous, "so excited i'm gonna hurl" feeling.

This is like the longest Christmas Eve in history!

Well, what is typical is once an album is done, there is usually a 10-12 week promotional/marketing cycle before release date.  Since the press release with album title and track listing, etc., we're right about in that general timeline.  I think what makes it feel even longer than the norm is the fact that we've known they were working on the album for quite awhile now, and we were told the release date pretty far in advance.  So that's a bit unusual.  But otherwise, this is pretty much in line with industry standard.  What that means is that during this next period, they are doing things like finalizing the album art, figuring out the release of any initial singles or videos, making preparations to ramp up other marketing and promotion efforts, and then pressing and distributing the physical copies.  I guarantee that there is a lot going on right now, even if we may not see it just yet.

I get that Bosk, I'm just like a kid in a candy store, waiting for parents to show up with money so I can get a treat. I know there's a ton going on right now. RR is one of the most devoted, industrious and social media conscious labels out there. It's just hard to contain my excitement for this album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Tom Bombadil on July 12, 2013, 02:08:12 PM
I know exactly what you mean. The night befor ADTOE came out I was like an 8 year old on Christmas eve. Don't think I got to sleep until 5 AM I was so excited. I have a feeling this one might be even worse ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: dparrott on July 12, 2013, 02:13:49 PM
They also need time to print/cut the releases.  That's a lot of CD's, DVD's and vinyl!  Some bands have released their album digitally first, then a physical release comes months later.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 12, 2013, 02:20:42 PM
I wouldn't mind if there was a digital release like...tomorrow. Just saying.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Whatsername on July 12, 2013, 02:41:45 PM
I wouldn't mind if there was a digital release like...tomorrow. Just saying.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Flacracker on July 12, 2013, 03:11:54 PM
I wouldn't mind if there was a digital release like...tomorrow. Just saying.
Yeah... Its mixed and mastered right? Just release it. Upload it to iTunes or something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Voices on July 12, 2013, 03:26:08 PM
I wouldn't mind if there was a digital release like...tomorrow. Just saying.
Yeah... Its mixed and mastered right? Just release it. Upload it to iTunes or something.

That's what I'm talking about. Everyone will be happy!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Dublagent66 on July 12, 2013, 03:37:31 PM
What did Hannibal Lecter say?  "All good things to those who wait."  :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Fiery Winds on July 12, 2013, 03:44:40 PM
Let's keep in mind that even since before MP left, DT has started to garner more attention and attract new fans. With that (and the absence of MP handling it per the norm), Roadrunner and/or DT are putting much more thought into a "marketing plan". That means that while things aren't going to proceed exactly as they have done in the past, know that it's all being done to make us happy.  :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: Labrie1984 on July 12, 2013, 03:45:58 PM
A digital release would be also incredible for Live at Luna Park. According to OTE the product was finished and ready for release. The eternal waiting is killing me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater self titled album discussion - COVER ART/TRACK LIST on p. 5
Post by: andrewt67 on July 12, 2013, 03:53:35 PM
Have I missed something ?

Has there been a contest where DT fans submit the most ridiculous and overblown song titles and the band pick the best ones ?

This was my first impression when I saw the track listing for the new album.

Sure this must be some piss-take by the band - there's no way the song titles could be so laughable.

Or could they ??????
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