Dream Theater self titled album discussion - [SPOILER FREE DISCUSSION ONLY]

[Lucien]

I tend to round up. I always considered TCOT to be a 20 minute epic. Of course, by rounding up, I've always considered ACOS and 8VM to be 25 minute epics, which is a step above the 20 minute epic. But nevertheless, if it's just under 20 minutes, I'll still consider it a 20 minute epic. And if it's over 22 minutes, I'll consider it a 25 minute epic.

The way I round up, I consider Wait for Sleep to be a 45-minute song.

[wolven74]

I agree it's hard to believe that the entire FAS is 2 minutes. I could see maybe all three parts being 2 minutes each, but not the whole thing being 2 minutes. That's ridiculous.

And another thing. I know that some of the foreign press has gotten the cd early and reviewed it. That's fine, as the label has ok'd it, but I find it hard to believe that the label would allow the foreign press to publish something about the record that's official, i.e. the track times. I mean, I suppose they could have, but something tells me those times are just guesses.

If I'm wrong, I'm cool with that. I'll just be underwhelmed by FAS. 

[Petruccinator12]

Wait, wait, wait, guys...how credible is the forum? Where exactly did you find this? I mean, which forum?
I calculated...the total running time for the album is "only" 68 minutes
Do you think these are the true lengths?? :/

[Dark Castle]

Does it really matter? I'm baffled at how anybody might be disappointed an album is ONLY 68 minutes long... 
If it is 68 minutes long, that's 68 minutes of new Dream Theater, MORE than an hour long, in the end, whether it's 68 minutes or 78 minutes, is it worth being upset about, especially if the songs don't need to be super long?

[Mosh]

Not this again. 

[Dark Castle]

Not this again. 

Seriously, this so damned much.

[Petruccinator12]

Does it really matter? I'm baffled at how anybody might be disappointed an album is ONLY 68 minutes long... 
If it is 68 minutes long, that's 68 minutes of new Dream Theater, MORE than an hour long, in the end, whether it's 68 minutes or 78 minutes, is it worth being upset about, especially if the songs don't need to be super long?

Well, even 10 minutes more that could be "missing"...I'd go for 78 minutes instead of 68 minutes...you can stop listening after 68 minutes but I wouldn't..anyway, we don't know if these figures are correct...I remember that shortly before the real lengths of ADTOE were released, someone stated BTS to be a 20 minute epic..so we don't know yet

[atmyne]

70 minutes is A LOT of music. Seriously some of my favorite records this year have been around 40 minutes or less in length. and that's all I'll ever say on that...

[Petruccinator12]

I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..

[RaiseTheKnife]

The only advance copy of a DT album I got was SC, which given to me a month or so before the release by a former colleague who knew I was a DT fanatic.  I didnt ask for the advance CD, this person just handed to me one day.  I now prefer to just wait for the official release with the artwork and full presentation. 

[atmyne]

I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..

I would encourage you to consider the quality vs. quantity thing. Is a longer album likely to have consistently higher quality material? I'd say the two are negatively correlated most of the time. The first exception that comes to mind for me is SDOIT: fantastic from start to finish imo. Something like Systematic chaos? It approaches the 80 min mark, and yet I am of the opinion that is one of their weaker albums....

[Petruccinator12]

I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..

I would encourage you to consider the quality vs. quantity thing. Is a longer album likely to have consistently higher quality material? I'd say the two are negatively correlated most of the time. The first exception that comes to mind for me is SDOIT: fantastic from start to finish imo. Something like Systematic chaos? It approaches the 80 min mark, and yet I am of the opinion that is one of their weaker albums....

Maybe you are right...buy maybe it's just coincidence...

[Petruccinator12]

Edit: And I can't yet consider a quality - quantity aspect.. =)

[Petruccinator12]

Edit 2: But who knows if these figures are legit...? I personally think to would fit pretty good in terms of what we've heard so far..

[?]

I won't believe any track lengths unless they are on some webshop site or from an official source. That said, I don't think it's impossible that those might be the actual track lengths - JP said False Awakening Suite will be a kind of intro for their shows, so it can't be too long despite being a "suite" and if multiple people with advance copies confirm that the album is approximately 70 minutes long, then those track lengths may be taken seriously.

[robwebster]

Wasn't FAS supposed to be the live intro song?

EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot the song has different parts.

Doesn't mean they're long.

Under three minutes is perfectly plausible for False Awakening Suite. Honestly, I can't imagine it being much longer than that. I think people got rather too hung up on the idea it might be an epic from the subtitles. This was always a fairly false assumption, and didn't particularly tie in with what was on the song board. Pure Reason Revolution have a subtitled song where one of the movements is 55 seconds. And, sits as its own track!

[wasteland]

Those track lenght are feasible, but it's nothing that couldn't have been made up by a well informed fan. So, for now, I will regard them as not true.

[wolven74]

^ this is what I was getting at 

[erciccio]

Well, reading some interviews looks like FAS is a sort of substitute to "Dream is Collapsing" as concert intro...
"Dream is collapsing" is 2:25, so....

I was also thinking that one of the reasons for the DVD delay might be that they wanted to replace "Dream is Collapsing " with FAS, given that they had to drop "Dream is Collapsing" for copyright reasons...

Might also be that some DT fan-joker had my same idea and created a fake track lengths list based on this.!

[aprilethereal]

I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..

I would encourage you to consider the quality vs. quantity thing. Is a longer album likely to have consistently higher quality material? I'd say the two are negatively correlated most of the time. The first exception that comes to mind for me is SDOIT: fantastic from start to finish imo. Something like Systematic chaos? It approaches the 80 min mark, and yet I am of the opinion that is one of their weaker albums....

Not sure what you're getting at here, since SDOIT is about 96 minutes long.

[atmyne]

I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..

I would encourage you to consider the quality vs. quantity thing. Is a longer album likely to have consistently higher quality material? I'd say the two are negatively correlated most of the time. The first exception that comes to mind for me is SDOIT: fantastic from start to finish imo. Something like Systematic chaos? It approaches the 80 min mark, and yet I am of the opinion that is one of their weaker albums....

Not sure what you're getting at here, since SDOIT is about 96 minutes long.

you're not sure of the idea that i think SDOIT is an exception to the quality/quantity tradoff in that its brilliant and incredibly long or....?
edit: i will say that while SDOIT is my favorite DT release, I still feel it drags in some spots.

[aprilethereal]

Alright, that was a misunderstanding.

[wolven74]

I really never meant to offend anyone...these were just my thoughts..I'd just love to listen to as much music as possible..that's all..

I would encourage you to consider the quality vs. quantity thing. Is a longer album likely to have consistently higher quality material? I'd say the two are negatively correlated most of the time. The first exception that comes to mind for me is SDOIT: fantastic from start to finish imo. Something like Systematic chaos? It approaches the 80 min mark, and yet I am of the opinion that is one of their weaker albums....

Not sure what you're getting at here, since SDOIT is about 96 minutes long.

you're not sure of the idea that i think SDOIT is an exception to the quality/quantity tradoff in that its brilliant and incredibly long or....?
edit: i will say that while SDOIT is my favorite DT release, I still feel it drags in some spots.

Not disagreeing with you, but I'm curious which parts do you think drag? I think most of the parts that drag are on the first CD. Specifically, Misunderstood and Disappear, and those are still good songs.

[atmyne]

^ yeah particularly Misunderstood and Disappear but even some of the instrumental stuff in the Glass prison just doesn't do anything for me on a musical level (particularly towards the end). Also the Overture drags for me a bit, and I know it has it's purpose and it fulfills that purpose well, but it doesn't serve itself well on multiple listens.

[LBC.]

I think FAS is longer than 2:42, but they don`t need to use all the suite as an intro for the shows, but only one of the movements.

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

Have they said that the whole FAS is a intro song? Maybe it's just Sleep Paralysis that's the intro and the others are regular tracks?

[TheGreatPretender]

Have they said that the whole FAS is a intro song? Maybe it's just Sleep Paralysis that's the intro and the others are regular tracks?

That's what I pretty much assumed from their statement. Not regular 'tracks', since numerically the whole thing is one track, but yeah, I assumed that when they said they were making an 'intro' to their live shows, they were talking about just the first part of the whole suite.

[BlackwaterPerk]

Have they said that the whole FAS is a intro song? Maybe it's just Sleep Paralysis that's the intro and the others are regular tracks?

I strongly believe that is the case, actually. Kinda like the Overture to SDOIT.

[atmyne]

gee i sure can't wait for this album 

[matte.braso]

from the 5/8 forum:


"Dear Noxon I kindly asking you if you can, to confirm the following song lengths...

1. False Awakening Suite – 2:42
2. The Enemy Inside – 6:17
ecc."

noxon: "Without looking at my copy, it looks very correct."

Also he said the review will be ready within 2-3 days. can't wait to read it.

[Zydar]

I don't know who this Noxon is, why does he have an advance copy?

[wasteland]

I don't know who this Noxon is, why does he have an advance copy?

Some boss of the Norwegian Fan Club, I believe.

[Zydar]

I don't know who this Noxon is, why does he have an advance copy?

Some boss of the Norwegian Fan Club, I believe.

Okay, thanks.

[aprilethereal]

Maybe I should remove this.

[snapple]

Again, I don't think this stuff is supposed to be posted at this moment in time.