Dream Theater self titled album discussion - [SPOILER FREE DISCUSSION ONLY]

[atmyne]

Again, I don't think this stuff is supposed to be posted at this moment in time.

Oh sh**. Would u advise snipping it then? I don't think it's against the rules as they are approximations that haven't been clarified absolutely, but then again if you think so i'm happy to remove my post.
Edit for curious folk: nothing of interest, really...

[snapple]

Again, I don't think this stuff is supposed to be posted at this moment in time.

Oh sh**. Would u advise snipping it then? I don't think it's against the rules as they are approximations that haven't been clarified absolutely, but then again if you think so i'm happy to remove my post.

I'd play it safe.

edit: I'm not trying to mini-mod. Just no point in getting a ban over something like song lengths.

[tiagodon]

Darth Vader will appear soon and he will eat your ass!

[atmyne]

meanwhile...

[noxon]

If the record company wanted certain details to be secret, they would've told the press not to disclose them. From what I know this has not been done, so information from reviewers like myself will contain information that this forum would view as spoilers and "non-official". I think the record company is well aware that once the review copies are sent out they have lost control of the flow of information, and that fact is calculated into the whole PR-engine.

[hefdaddy42]

That sounds correct with what I have read before about advance copies of records and films given to reviewers - the record/film companies normally let the reviewers know if there are things they would prefer be kept secret.

[me7]

If the record company wanted certain details to be secret, they would've told the press not to disclose them. From what I know this has not been done, so information from reviewers like myself will contain information that this forum would view as spoilers and "non-official". I think the record company is well aware that once the review copies are sent out they have lost control of the flow of information, and that fact is calculated into the whole PR-engine.

Thank you for writing this post.
I love this forum for many things, but when it comes to "non-official" information some people go crazy. As if talking about songs lengths equals piracy and will cause John Petrucci's children to starve to death because he looses his income.

[matte.braso]

at this point it's really possible that FAS it's shorter than the other instrumental (EM?). I was thinking at JP in ep.3 speaking about an instrumental, mainly, and 'technically' a second one, which sounds to me FAS is considered an instrumental of shorter dimensions (I don't think he means in terms of importance, cause it's the album opener).

[noxon]

I want to clarify that my post has nothing to do with what this forum has as guidelines and rules, and I am in no way contesting those rules. My statement was generic and not specific to this forum. If the mods on this forum do not want the track times posted, that's their prerogative.

[Petruccinator12]

I always thought that only the first part of FAS would be the instrumental and the following two parts would be with vocals..

[Petruccinator12]

Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?

[erciccio]

Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?

Random song length generator machine (aka "Enigma Machine")

[Petruccinator12]

Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?

Random song length generator machine (aka "Enigma Machine")

Haha ^^

[atmyne]

Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?

from a "foreign forum" apparently, in which it was said that the song lengths look about right according to someone who has a copy of the album...

[me7]

Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?

Review copies of the album are already out. Music journalists are enjoying it as we speak.

[Petruccinator12]

Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?

from a "foreign forum" apparently, in which it was said that the song lengths look about right according to someone who has a copy of the album...

Sounds a bit far-fetched if you ask me...all these guys who claim to have a copy...I just don't know..

[aprilethereal]

Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?

from a "foreign forum" apparently, in which it was said that the song lengths look about right according to someone who has a copy of the album...

Sounds a bit far-fetched if you ask me...all these guys who claim to have a copy...I just don't know..

Promotion.

[ariich]

"All these guys" are reviewers, so yes they'll have a copy. Noxon is well established as the head of the Norwegian fanclub, and has had promo versions for release purposes for the last couple of albums at least, longer probably.

[cyberdrummer]

Could someone tell me/us where he got the song length information from..?

from a "foreign forum" apparently, in which it was said that the song lengths look about right according to someone who has a copy of the album...

Sounds a bit far-fetched if you ask me...all these guys who claim to have a copy...I just don't know..

I know I said I was avoiding this thread, but now we have probable track times, I just want to address this point: promo copies have been released and will become more widespread in the near future. Noxon's credentials are irrefutable, he's been reviewing DT albums for as long as I can remember.

[krands85]

So we're allowed to discuss these track lengths then? Just making sure 

[Perpetual Change]

I'm amazed a review hasn't been posted yet. Noxon is admittedly taking his time and not wanting to be the first, so you'd think there would be plenty of publications that would love to have the first review of the new Dream Theater album, but apparently not.

[Petruccinator12]

Hopefully there'll be a review soon =)

[noxon]

Promo copies usually are released a couple of month before the street date, to allow music journalist to listen to the album properly to write a review, as well as provide enough time for print magazines like classic rock prog in where the entire magazine has to be written and made ready long before it actually hits the stand (due to production time etc). If a band wants their album to be reviewed in time for the release date, they have to do it like this. For most bands, the bulk amount of sales of new albums happen within the first few weeks - which is why DT for instance will blip into some charts one week and out of it again the week after. Certain established giant sellers with huge established fan bases can skip the review process, but overall this part of the PR-engine is not wise to skip, because while you can expect the hardcore fanatics to buy the album, what you really want is the exposure to the casual audiences (and the potential exposure to new people).

Now, a side effect of this is that because you don't treat the journalists differently depending on whether they are radio, tv, magazines or internet sites, everyone get the promo at the same time regardless of whether they need it or not.

Trust me when I say this; there are literally hundreds of people out there right now who has the album, who is under no obligation to keep the album a secret. Details will come out, and I don't think people would lie just for the sake of lying at this point, as there are enough people who can actually bust them on the lies...

As for me not wanting to be first; don't read to much into that. It'll be ready when it's ready, and even then I might hold on to it for a while - so don't expect one just yet.

[Petruccinator12]

Promo copies usually are released a couple of month before the street date, to allow music journalist to listen to the album properly to write a review, as well as provide enough time for print magazines like classic rock prog in where the entire magazine has to be written and made ready long before it actually hits the stand (due to production time etc). If a band wants their album to be reviewed in time for the release date, they have to do it like this. For most bands, the bulk amount of sales of new albums happen within the first few weeks - which is why DT for instance will blip into some charts one week and out of it again the week after. Certain established giant sellers with huge established fan bases can skip the review process, but overall this part of the PR-engine is not wise to skip, because while you can expect the hardcore fanatics to buy the album, what you really want is the exposure to the casual audiences (and the potential exposure to new people).

Now, a side effect of this is that because you don't treat the journalists differently depending on whether they are radio, tv, magazines or internet sites, everyone get the promo at the same time regardless of whether they need it or not.

Trust me when I say this; there are literally hundreds of people out there right now who has the album, who is under no obligation to keep the album a secret. Details will come out, and I don't think people would lie just for the sake of lying at this point, as there are enough people who can actually bust them on the lies...

As for me not wanting to be first; don't read to much into that. It'll be ready when it's ready, and even then I might hold on to it for a while - so don't expect one just yet.

Hey, Noxon, while you are already here
Could/Are you allowed to tell us if the song legths are correct? =)

[Red_Queen]

REVIEW NOXON REVIEW NOXON REVIEW NOXON 

[emtee]

Only thing I will care about in his review or any other is that they feel it's solid sonically.

As far as his review, seems he may be better served waiting several months as he said he has enjoyed DT's recent output
initially but the enjoyment has ebbed over time and that he goes back to earlier DT most of the time. If this album follows
that trend he will enjoy it initially. If he does not connect with in the early stages that could actually be a good thing long term.

[erciccio]

I'm amazed a review hasn't been posted yet. Noxon is admittedly taking his time and not wanting to be the first, so you'd think there would be plenty of publications that would love to have the first review of the new Dream Theater album, but apparently not.

"Worst. Album. Ever."

You don't wanna be the first one to say this to a bunch of DT fan-boys...

[atmyne]

Noxon, do not compromise the integrity of your review for the fanboys...
give it to us as objectively as possible and honestly 

[Lucien]

Take your time, Noxon. Enjoy the album a few more times, then let us enjoy your words, as later as you feel necessary.

[noxon]

Petruccinator12: i'm not allowed to break the rules of this forum.

[Petruccinator12]

Petruccinator12: i'm not allowed to break the rules of this forum.

That's unfortunate

[Voices]

Take your time but don't take too long

[jonnybaxy]

Has Bosk, nick or blob not got a copy? Sorry I don't know how comnected you guys are to DT, I've heard blob did some videos or something for them and Bosk seems to get some info early...

[Shadow2222]

I know we are a forum of die-hards, but give Noxon some time. Tons of "review now!!!! Please!!!!" will not speed things up.

[ariich]

noxon, thanks for being such a good sport. I can only apologise for the people pestering you for a review (even if it is mostly in jest), it's always like this around new album time with lots of buzz and loads of new members appearing.

Regarding the divulging of information on the album (such as confirming or otherwise the track lengths), I'm checking what the forum stance is on that so we'll get back to you shortly.