Least favorite song on ADTOE?

[Jaffa]

Lost not forgotten, though BMUBMD is pretty close.

Pretty much this.  But also this:

And that truly is a least favourite as opposed to bad

[7thHanyou]

I was mostly generalizing, rather than aiming that specifically at you, although I notice that none of those things you mentioned were remotely metal (except for Forsaken). Some prog fans just seem to have something against straight-up metal. Again, not aimed specifically at you, as obviously DT is prog metal, so most people are a fan of both to at least some degree.

I didn't think you meant me, I just wanted to bring my own perspective to the table

I think Dream Theater's first three albums, as well as Scenes from a Memory, are explicitly metal albums, and I love them for their metal and prog elements.  Iron Maiden, Nightwish, Savatage, Fates Warning, Megadeth, Blind Guardian, Dio...this is the sort of metal I like.

I find that bands like Dream Theater and Symphony X were perfectly acceptable metal bands in their early days...but both found it necessary to move in a more "metal" direction which really wasn't representative of the type of metal I'm fond of.  BMUBMD seems to be a remnant of Train of Thought, Systematic Chaos, and BCSL--all low points for Dream Theater IMO.  On the other hand, Images and Awake are brilliant prog metal albums.  Both elements are prominent.

BMUBMD just reminds me of the couple of Disturbed songs I've bothered to listen to, albeit more complex.

[Jaffa]

BMUBMD just reminds me of the couple of Disturbed songs I've bothered to listen to, albeit more complex.

As a Disturbed fan, I can honestly say that I hear very little resemblance between Disturbed and BMUBMD.  But, fair enough. 

[7thHanyou]

BMUBMD just reminds me of the couple of Disturbed songs I've bothered to listen to, albeit more complex.

As a Disturbed fan, I can honestly say that I hear very little resemblance between Disturbed and BMUBMD.  But, fair enough.

Like I said, I've only listened to a couple.  BMUBMD just seems to have the same vibe to it--a vibe I don't find makes for a pleasant listening experience.

Now, the first three songs of Awake--those are some short, classic "metal" songs that stand with Dream Theater's best.

[BlobVanDam]

As someone who dislikes Disturbed, I can honestly say that I hear very little resemblance between Disturbed and BMUBMD.
And 6:00 and Innocence Faded aren't what I'd call metal.

[7thHanyou]

As someone who dislikes Disturbed, I can honestly say that I hear very little resemblance between Disturbed and BMUBMD.
And 6:00 and Innocence Faded aren't what I'd call metal.

I don't really see how they're any less metal than 80's Iron Maiden songs, and Iron Maiden is a straight-ahead metal band.

[SnakeEyes]

Build Me Up, Break Me Down without question.  I tried listening to it again a couple of days ago.  It's such a terrible song.  I made a thread a while back saying that it was the "You Not Me" of ADTOE.  Well, after listening to it again, my opinion is that it's WORSE than You Not Me.  I think it's literally the worst song that DT has ever written.  I mean, it's just awful.  I'm not bashing DT ..... just answering the question and explaining why. 

[7thHanyou]

Build Me Up, Break Me Down without question.  I tried listening to it again a couple of days ago.  It's such a terrible song.  I made a thread a while back saying that it was the "You Not Me" of ADTOE.  Well, after listening to it again, my opinion is that it's WORSE than You Not Me.  I think it's literally the worst song that DT has ever written.  I mean, it's just awful.  I'm not bashing DT ..... just answering the question and explaining why.

There were a couple of things about You Not Me that I liked--mostly what was left over from You Or Me, but still.

I don't know if BMUBMD is as bad as You Not Me, but it's most certainly more bland.

[SnakeEyes]

I just personally think that You Not Me, which isn't a very good song by any means, is a better crafted song than Build Me Up.  Although it doesn't necessarily go where I LIKE, it goes SOMEWHERE.  BMUBMD doesn't really go anywhere.  The lyrics are rather juvenile, the instrumental section doesn't do anything, there's no memorable melody to the song except maybe a couple of phrases during the verse, the guitar riffs reek of late 90's/ early 2000's "nu-Metal."  I just really thought DT was over that whole thing.  It seems like they wrote this amazing album of heartfelt music ..... then they said, "oh crap, we need something a little more edgy" and came up with...... this.  It's not heartfelt or genuine and I can't stand it. 

[BlobVanDam]

As someone who dislikes Disturbed, I can honestly say that I hear very little resemblance between Disturbed and BMUBMD.
And 6:00 and Innocence Faded aren't what I'd call metal.

I don't really see how they're any less metal than 80's Iron Maiden songs, and Iron Maiden is a straight-ahead metal band.

6:00 at a stretch, but Innocence Faded, no.  I'm not sure you know what metal is if you consider that as metal as Iron Maiden.

[obscure]

FFH.... apologies to all fans.... I'm not much of a ballad girl.... I know it will grow on me though.... it always takes some time...

[edu]

This is the life. My least favourite, but it´s a pretty good song.

[nattmorker]

This is the life, i find it really boring.

[Phoenix87x]

Easily Lost Not Forgotten.  The only low point on the album, IMO.  Its just boring and not up to the standards of the rest of the album.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[7thHanyou]

As someone who dislikes Disturbed, I can honestly say that I hear very little resemblance between Disturbed and BMUBMD.
And 6:00 and Innocence Faded aren't what I'd call metal.

I don't really see how they're any less metal than 80's Iron Maiden songs, and Iron Maiden is a straight-ahead metal band.

6:00 at a stretch, but Innocence Faded, no.  I'm not sure you know what metal is if you consider that as metal as Iron Maiden.

All I know is that Innocence Faded could comfortably fit next to Wasted Years, Infinite Dreams, or The Evil That Men Do...all metal songs.  It's got a bright, upbeat sound, but it's also got a pretty heavy focus on riffs (especially later in the song).  What's "metal" and what's not is as murky as what's prog and what's not...but I think operatic vocals and solid, focused riffs qualify it to be considered metal.

BMUBMD just sounds like it's trying too hard to be metal--the same objection I have to Adrenaline Mob, actually.

[theseoafs]

I also object to Maiden being called a straight-ahead metal band.

[Progmetty]

I couldn't vote for any of these songs.

[Ħ]

Very easily Lost Not Forgotten.

BMUBMD is my favorite...

[rude boy]

lost not forgotten. i don't like the intro, the part before the chorus, the chorus itself...i don't really know why, but i think it's because of the harmonic minor scale most of the song is in. i can't stand harmonic minor scale 

[theseoafs]

i can't stand harmonic minor scale 

That's very odd. Regardless, not very much of the song is based on the harmonic minor anyway. Instead, they use the same Arabian scale you'll find in Home for the greater majority.

[GasparXR]

i can't stand harmonic minor scale 

That's very odd. Regardless, not very much of the song is based on the harmonic minor anyway. Instead, they use the same Arabian scale you'll find in Home for the greater majority.

Phrygian Dominant

[skydivingninja]

Anyone voting for FFH or BTS is crazy.  Easily their best ballads since Disappear. 

[FlyingBIZKIT]

Anyone voting for FFH or BTS is crazy.  Easily their best ballads since Disappear.

This. + Vacant.

[WildeSilas]

Would have said BMU before seeing it live. It kicked copious amounts of ass. I love this album so much I can't even vote in this poll. It's like Sophie's Choice.

[Kotowboy]

Definitely On The Backs of Angles.

I find it too



Obtuse. 

[The Letter M]

While I don't HATE it, per se, I'd have to agree with the majority here and say that BMUBMD is my least favorite.

P.S. - least favorite =/= (most) hated.

-Marc.

[hefdaddy42]

Build Me Up, Break Me Down without question.

This, for me it is BY FAR the worst song on the album.

I mean, if you like it or love it, then great.

[lumpy33]

  What's "metal" and what's not is as murky as what's prog and what's not...but I think operatic vocals and solid, focused riffs qualify it to be considered metal.

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fundamentally this is true.  going as far back as black sabbath's "sabbath bloody sabbath" album you get ozzy's operatic voice with some pretty deep riffs for it's time.  however, as metal has aged, vocals have become less operatic overall (metallica, pantera, etc.) and the music much more aggressive.  if you're thinking metal and thinking of pantera, then you're gonna think innocence faded is way too poppy sounding to be considered a metal tune.  just the existence of the keyboard parts in d.t. songs alone can make some of their stuff sound not so metal to listeners coming from the pantera side of things.

then again, if maiden is the band you think of when you think of metal, then i could see 6:00 being considered as part of the crowd.  but those dreamy key pads in innocence faded make it tough for me to see that tune as something that maiden would ever write.  it's just too pop for them.

there's the versatility of dream theater showing itself once again.  they excel in all aspects of the musically diverse metal genre.

[Evo]

Outcry. And that truly is a least favourite as opposed to bad, because it's not bad. It just doesn't interest me at all. But there's nothing particularly wrong with it that I dislike. It's the only song I have to skip when listening to ADTOE.

Pretty much exactly this.

+1

[red barchetta]

For me it's BMU, BMD.  And they are playing it on every show

And the second one would be Lost but not forgotten

[Jaq]

Keeping in mind that I actually like every song on the album, the one I like least is This Is The Life. I like it slightly less than the next closest, which would be BMU, BMD and Lost Not Forgotten. But I still do like them all.

[Saiko]

BMUBMD is about the only song I usually skip. It's not bad live, but the studio version does nothing for me. Lost Not Forgotten has actually kind of grown on me, especially the chorus. It's still my "second to least favorite" song on the album though. Hard to complain, it's a great farken album, I'm just nit-picking!

[BlobVanDam]

All I know is that Innocence Faded could comfortably fit next to Wasted Years, Infinite Dreams, or The Evil That Men Do...all metal songs.  It's got a bright, upbeat sound, but it's also got a pretty heavy focus on riffs (especially later in the song).  What's "metal" and what's not is as murky as what's prog and what's not...but I think operatic vocals and solid, focused riffs qualify it to be considered metal.

BMUBMD just sounds like it's trying too hard to be metal--the same objection I have to Adrenaline Mob, actually.

Metal bands do non metal songs. Songs of different genres can fit on one album perfectly, as these rock genres are all related. DT are prog metal, and they do plenty of songs that are neither. But if I had to classify it, Innocence Faded sounds more like prog + melodic rock to me, but it's not metal.
Metal is not supposed to be bright and upbeat at all. And Innocence Faded isn't a riffy song. There's not even a single distinct riff in it.

Metal is a lot of things, but Iron Maiden is generally metal because of their galloping rhythms, their driving energetic tempos, the fast riffing with a bit of chug, and the big and not so clean vocals (I know he's more operatic, but Bruce Dickinson also adds some harshness).
Innocence Faded does not have anything I would consider a feature of metal. It's an upbeat mid tempo song, with soft atmospheric keyboards, soft melodic vocals that often feel major key (not sure if any part is technically major, although the chorus gives off a major key feel), and very subdued instrumentation. It is just not a metal song. Hell, you could stick it on a recent Journey album and it would be a perfect fit (aside from the proggier guitar outro tastiness).

[kirksnosehair]

I usually skip "Far From Heaven," I find it kind of ponderous and I'm not really a fan of LaBrie's style in that tune. 

[theseoafs]

Innocence Faded does not have anything I would consider a feature of metal.

Innocence Faded's outro, regardless of key, is far too heavy to be considered anything but metal, I don't think. (Double bass, ridiculous riffing, etc.)