Am i the only one not liking SDOIT Cd 2?

[darkshade]

SDoIT is their greatest album, with their grandest epic, with one of their heaviest songs, and one some of their more progressive writing.

The album took a while to fully appreciate for me; other albums smack you in the face with its awesomeness. I think the OP just needs time with it and let it sink in.

[Nekov]

Seems you are not the only one. But we know there are people that fail here so...

[darkshade]

This thread inspired me to blast the whole album 

[yorost]

You're ignoring the many, many, many in-song thematic references: The Losing Time melody being played as the guitar solo at the end of About to Crash, and the main theme (the one that sounds like Kansas' "The Wall") being played in Goodnight Kiss's bridge, just to name a couple.

You're also ignoring the fact that Rudess wrote the Overture before the band composed the rest of the song. The Overture and Finale are by no means tacked on to what were beforehand six standalone songs, as you imply.

How am I ignoring it?  I've heard the song many times, I know what's there.  ...and I never implied when they wrote Overture or the finale.  How or when they wrote the music just doesn't matter, it's how it sounds.  When I listen to it that's how i feels to me.

I bet if people got less tied up in the semantics of whether or not it's a "song" and just listened to it for what it is, they'd enjoy it a lot more. Maybe if DT just called it a "mini-concept album" or something. Prog fans would go for that. It saddens me that SDOIT is so criminally underrated.

I know you have already had some further discussion on this, but it's almost an insulting comment.  Whether it's a song, an album, or a suite doesn't change what's there.  I don't like it, and I most certainly don't judge things based on superficial matters of how it is labeled or how tracks are broken up.

The entire album is classic, so if you don't like the title track, then you're missing out bigtime.

All the comments about how opinions make us fail or that we somehow insult everyone by our opinions are silly, but this is hilarious.  What are we missing out on?  We've heard it, do you think we're choosing to dislike it without giving it a chance?

I used to love this disc, when I first got the album.  The scope wowed me for one, but over time I just keep caring for it less and less.  Almost the complete opposite is true of the first disc for me.

[ZirconBlue]

Disc 1 is better

This. Disc 2 suffers from lack of flow.

I disagree, disc 1 have two weirdest DT songs -> Misunderstood and Disappear, when disc 2 is just almost perfect for me. Great melodies, and that Overture...pure genius, I kind of understand why You said about lack of flow, but I just love 2 disc.

That's what I like about disc 1:  That "weird" experimentation.  Disc 2 sounds much more like standard DT, to me.  I like disc 2, but I love disc 1. 

[Lowdz]

I listen to disc 2 much more than disc 1.
Not that disc 1 isn't great, it's just I'm usually more in the mood for the awesomeness of 6DOIT.
My only real negative with disc 1 is that the intro to TGD goes on a bit. I know people here like it but it puts me off listening to it even though the rest of the song is great. Blind Faith is ok, not a favourite.

I just converted a juniopr doctor at work to being a DT fan by playing SFAM and 6DOIT in the car when I give him a lift to work.

[Dublagent66]

The entire album is classic, so if you don't like the title track, then you're missing out bigtime.

All the comments about how opinions make us fail or that we somehow insult everyone by our opinions are silly, but this is hilarious.  What are we missing out on?  We've heard it, do you think we're choosing to dislike it without giving it a chance?

I used to love this disc, when I first got the album.  The scope wowed me for one, but over time I just keep caring for it less and less.  Almost the complete opposite is true of the first disc for me.

Hey, I didn't like the album at all when I first got it.  Then, later on, I found out I missed something.  That's all I meant.  I don't see what's so fuckin' funny about it.

[7thHanyou]

Disc 2 is really the best thing about SDoIT.  Disc 1 is mediocre in Dream Theater's library.

[jayvee]

There were a lot of thoughtful opinions in favor of this piece on this thread. So I decided to seriously rethink my dislike of Disc 2. I took the time to listen to the entire thing in one go tonight.

Wow.

My opinion of this piece changed dramatically.

But not in a way that I think this group would enjoy hearing about.

Let's just say I was happily able to reclaim a few megabytes of previously under-utilized disk space tonight.

[theseoafs]

There were a lot of thoughtful opinions in favor of this piece on this thread. So I decided to seriously rethink my dislike of Disc 2. I took the time to listen to the entire thing in one go tonight.

Wow.

My opinion of this piece changed dramatically.

But not in a way that I think this group would enjoy hearing about.

Let's just say I was happily able to reclaim a few megabytes of previously under-utilized disk space tonight.

Seriously? It's one thing not to like the song, but I would never go so far as to completely delete off my computer anything in Dream Theater's catalog.

[BlobVanDam]

If I haven't deleted WDADU, nobody has an excuse.
Seriously, it just seems like one of those childish things to do so you can say "it's so bad that I deleted it". There are DT songs I hate, but I wouldn't delete them, because then I never have the chance to appreciate it, and it makes the album/collection incomplete. Who knows, maybe one day when hell freezes over I'll listen to Scarred again and it will finally click. I mean, don't hold your breath, but stranger things have happened.*

*ok, I can't actually back that part up with any examples, but I'm sure that somewhere in the history of mankind, something equally unlike may have possibly happened.

[weeping-icon]

The Finale is probably my favorite piece of DT's music.

This...

[wolfking]

I really love Cd 1!!The Glass prison and The Great Debate are two of my favourite DT tracks!!How come the sixth track is such poor compared to the first cd?Am i the only one out there with that thought?I find it really boring to listen to..

No, you are not the only one.  I've never really dug Six Degrees, I agree it's quite poor in comparison to disc 1.  I appriciate parts of it, but it's certainly not a DT highlight for me at all.

[yorost]

I have also listened to this song a few times since yesterday, and my opinion isn't any better.  Sort of nice to dust it off since I haven't heard it in a quite some time, but I was still tired of it pretty quickly.  Obviously, there are nice parts in here, but too much of it is just mediocre.  Overture is still probably my favourite part, but it feels so out of place it doesn't even really help.

If I haven't deleted WDADU, nobody has an excuse.
Seriously, it just seems like one of those childish things to do so you can say "it's so bad that I deleted it".

Depends.  I hate keeping copies of things like books, games, cd's, if I come to the point I just have no interest in them anymore.  I even go so far as to permanently erase books and samples from my Amazon Kindle account so that they don't appear in my Archives(free to download whenever I want).  Tough to explain, I just want some things gone if I don't feel a connection to them, like cleaning out the bottom of a collection makes me feel better.  Heck, I was collecting Terry Goodkind's book series in hardcover but started hating the last few books so much I sold or gave the entire series away.  They just started bothering me by being there.

Though, I wouldn't get rid of a Dream Theater cd even if I hated it, because I have an interest in the whole.  Same for other bands/series, I don't mind keeping bad pieces if I love the whole.

[BlobVanDam]

I get what you mean, and I'm the same way. I'll never delete St Anger even though it's awful, because it's part of the Metallica collection. But if I have an album by a band that I don't care so much about, I don't really hesitate to delete it.

But deleting half of an album is silly. Keep the whole album, or delbeet it. You don't pick and choose individual songs.

[yorost]

That I completely agree with, I would never break up an album.  Not everyone buys by albums anymore, though. 

[BlobVanDam]

Shhhhh we're a prog related forum. You can't suggest such things.

[Silver Tears]

One of the greatest songs to ever be written. So yes.

[Lowdz]

I have also listened to this song a few times since yesterday, and my opinion isn't any better.  Sort of nice to dust it off since I haven't heard it in a quite some time, but I was still tired of it pretty quickly.  Obviously, there are nice parts in here, but too much of it is just mediocre.  Overture is still probably my favourite part, but it feels so out of place it doesn't even really help.

If I haven't deleted WDADU, nobody has an excuse.
Seriously, it just seems like one of those childish things to do so you can say "it's so bad that I deleted it".

Depends.  I hate keeping copies of things like books, games, cd's, if I come to the point I just have no interest in them anymore.  I even go so far as to permanently erase books and samples from my Amazon Kindle account so that they don't appear in my Archives(free to download whenever I want).  Tough to explain, I just want some things gone if I don't feel a connection to them, like cleaning out the bottom of a collection makes me feel better.  Heck, I was collecting Terry Goodkind's book series in hardcover but started hating the last few books so much I sold or gave the entire series away.  They just started bothering me by being there.

Though, I wouldn't get rid of a Dream Theater cd even if I hated it, because I have an interest in the whole.  Same for other bands/series, I don't mind keeping bad pieces if I love the whole.

I'm with you with the Terry Goodkind thing. What a let down later books became.

[hefdaddy42]

I really like disc 2.  I don't like it quite as much as I used to, but I find the title song immensely and thoroughly enjoyable. 

[jayvee]

I was exaggerating (a.k.a. lying). No files were harmed in the formulation of these opinions.

I'm a "completist" too, and would hate to lose information, especially MP3's I paid for.

I did, however, set all the songs on that album (both discs) to zero stars in my media manager, with the exceptions of Glass Prison (5 stars), Blind Faith (4) and Test/Stumped (5).

The probability that I will ever voluntarily listen to the title track(s) again is extremely small. I just didn't like the song writing at all.

I'm not trying to insult anyone or say anything bad about anyone else's taste or make any broader philosophical points. I'm just sayin'.

[Elite]

I did, however, set all the songs on that album (both discs) to zero stars in my media manager, with the exceptions of Glass Prison (5 stars), Blind Faith (4) and Test/Stumped (5).

Wat.

[Lotion]

I don't love it, I like it. Overture is too long, so I don't bother to listen to it. War Inside My Head is kinda boring and The Test That Stumped Them All is the worst song in DT's catalouge IMO. The rest of the songs vary from pretty good to pure awesomness

[atalkingfish]

I think it's fair to say that anyone who dislikes this song is missing out on a great experience. Not in a critical or bad-mouthing way, it's just like anyone else. There are foods that, if you never grow to appreciate, you're missing out. Same goes with a lot of things. Now, not one person can appreciate everything (I, for example, will probably never learn to "appreciate" screamo, but I believe it's possible because I know a lot of people who love it), but 6DoIT (that's how I write it) is such a major part of DT's discography and to ignore it's complexity and amazing writing is just restricting your potential enjoyment of it.

Think about it.
Certain 2-3 minute songs on the radio take literally 3 seconds to sink in. And by that I mean they take 3 seconds to go "oh, I really like this song" and to get the full effect of the song
Some 6 minute songs released by artists who don't normally do long songs take a few listens before you realize they are good.
Dream Theater songs take a lot longer to fully appreciate, as they are usually 8-12 minutes long.
Dream Theater's 20 minute songs are fully appreciated by only a select percentage of the world, those patient enough to (1) give them a chance and (2) take in the music.
And, as you probably have experienced, the "full effect" of a 20 minute song is MUCH greater than a 2-3 minute song.
So why would the pattern not follow for a 42 minute song? It's going to take a lot of time to appreciate, but it's so worth it.

[yorost]

You're missing the fact that some(maybe all) of us who dislike it here are intimately familiar with it.  Don't write off our opinions as simple naivety just because it's long.

[EuropaEndlos]

I'm one of the few I bet, but I could care less for anything on Disc 1 aside from Glass Prison...

Disc 2 is much more solid IMO and that and Glass Prison are teh tracks I really love...  THe other tracks are "okay" for me, but I never really got into them.

[atalkingfish]

You're missing the fact that some(maybe all) of us who dislike it here are intimately familiar with it.  Don't write off our opinions as simple naivety just because it's long.

I dunno, I'm speaking from the viewpoint of someone who dislikes zero Dream Theater songs so maybe I'm thinking that since I've grown to like them all without fail, that everyone else can too.

I just think that it's hard to be a DT fan and have a serious problem with an entire CD. I only personally know two other DT fans and they don't dislike any DT songs either, so I dunno.

[yorost]

I'm not sure how to respond to that.

[FluffyMcFluffington]

How come this thread didn't get locked right after Outcrier answered "Yes"      

[senecadawg2]

yes

[7thHanyou]

It's been said before, but I'm amazed at the diversity of opinions here.

I like every part of SDoIT (the song).  The only part that bores me a bit is Goodnight Kiss, but that's mostly in hindsight.  When I'm listening to it, I love it.

I'm one of the few I bet, but I could care less for anything on Disc 1 aside from Glass Prison...

That's me, pretty much, though my favorite tracks on the first disc are Misunderstood (which kind of falls apart at the end) and Disappear.  Disappear takes me to the same dark place several of my favorite King Crimson songs do--no small feat.

I just think that it's hard to be a DT fan and have a serious problem with an entire CD. I only personally know two other DT fans and they don't dislike any DT songs either, so I dunno.

I'm a DT fan and I have a serious problem with both post-Octavarium albums.  It's not particularly hard for me--I just like what I like.

[orcus116]

You're missing the fact that some(maybe all) of us who dislike it here are intimately familiar with it.  Don't write off our opinions as simple naivety just because it's long.

I dunno, I'm speaking from the viewpoint of someone who dislikes zero Dream Theater songs so maybe I'm thinking that since I've grown to like them all without fail, that everyone else can too.

I just think that it's hard to be a DT fan and have a serious problem with an entire CD. I only personally know two other DT fans and they don't dislike any DT songs either, so I dunno.

That sounds like an incredibly hard and unusual trait to manage, though I have gone through the honeymoon phase with bands before.

[wolfking]

I guess I'm the only person who actually agrees with the OP.

[atalkingfish]

You're missing the fact that some(maybe all) of us who dislike it here are intimately familiar with it.  Don't write off our opinions as simple naivety just because it's long.

I dunno, I'm speaking from the viewpoint of someone who dislikes zero Dream Theater songs so maybe I'm thinking that since I've grown to like them all without fail, that everyone else can too.

I just think that it's hard to be a DT fan and have a serious problem with an entire CD. I only personally know two other DT fans and they don't dislike any DT songs either, so I dunno.

That sounds like an incredibly hard and unusual trait to manage, though I have gone through the honeymoon phase with bands before.

I think that I'm definitely past the honeymoon phase. As in.. way past. Like, unquestionably.

When I like bands, I like the bands. For the music they put out and for the people they are (or, more accurately, the character that is created by the general band activity/personality). For example, my first favorite band was Weezer and even to this day I could listen to 5 straight hours of Weezer and not come across a single song I didn't like. I wouldn't even get tired of it.

I think it's helped by the fact that I pay for my music via physical copies. I'm not saying you guys don't, but I'm sure that having limited money and only getting to choose one CD every once in a while kind of forces me to enjoy music more.

That sounded really pretentious. It wasn't supposed to.

[tri.ad]

You're missing the fact that some(maybe all) of us who dislike it here are intimately familiar with it.  Don't write off our opinions as simple naivety just because it's long.

I dunno, I'm speaking from the viewpoint of someone who dislikes zero Dream Theater songs so maybe I'm thinking that since I've grown to like them all without fail, that everyone else can too.

I just think that it's hard to be a DT fan and have a serious problem with an entire CD. I only personally know two other DT fans and they don't dislike any DT songs either, so I dunno.

LOL. Just take a look beyond your own nose for once. Sure, there are some people here who don't really like DT anymore and openly express their dislike for certain songs/albums, but there are also people who consider themselves big fans of the band and have no problem to say stuff like that either.

Why should it be considered anything like an achievement to not dislike anything a band has ever done? Disliking some songs while still loving a greater part of a band's discography doesn't make anyone any less of a fan.