Is Score Fake?

andreas_adelek · April 07, 2011, 03:24:44 PM

There probably is a topic about this but I don't want to digg it up.
Well? I found alot of places where the music and video aren't in sync (JP playing something you cant see, JLB doing some vibratos that you cant hear and all of this more than once in the same song!)
I stopped watching it a couple of minutes ago and can't continue

antigoon · April 07, 2011, 03:29:52 PM

Welcome to live concert DVDs.

darkshot · April 07, 2011, 03:34:35 PM

Quote from: andreas_adelek on April 07, 2011, 03:24:44 PM
There probably is a topic about this but I don't want to digg it up.
Well? I found alot of places where the music and video aren't in sync (JP playing something you cant see, JLB doing some vibratos that you cant hear and all of this more than once in the same song!)
I stopped watching it a couple of minutes ago and can't continue

There was a part in Under a Glass Moon where JP's guitar rig went down for a bit and he had to fix it quick. They overdubbed the guitar for that section in the DVD, so the music would flow normally. I'm not sure if thats what your referring to, but thats what happened, maybe there was another part too thats not as well known.

MajorMatt · April 07, 2011, 03:37:55 PM

According to official sources (MP) there is an overdub in UAGM where JP's amps cut out, nothing else was corrected. There may have been other alterations but nothing that is substantially noticeable, and certainly nothing that should make someone stop watching an incredible live performance.

Put simply, 'Is Score Fake?' - No.

andreas_adelek · April 07, 2011, 03:38:57 PM

I know about the rig part but this was new to me. It's like they re-recoded guitars and vocal completely

Zook · April 07, 2011, 03:43:02 PM

Quote from: andreas_adelek on April 07, 2011, 03:38:57 PM
I know about the rig part but this was new to me. It's like they re-recoded guitars and vocal completely

Care to tell us which song it is?

MajorMatt · April 07, 2011, 03:44:10 PM

Quote from: andreas_adelek on April 07, 2011, 03:38:57 PM
I know about the rig part but this was new to me. It's like they re-recoded guitars and vocal completely

The only show known to have overdubbed vocals is LaTM because James was ill or something. I've heard many of the lucky people who attended the RCMH show say that JLB truly was on fire that night and that it is reflected in the DVD, as for guitars, personally I don't see/hear it. Perhaps you could give us a timestamp of where you find it especially noticeable - you have me intrigued

Aramatheis · April 07, 2011, 03:55:08 PM

Quote from: MajorMatt on April 07, 2011, 03:44:10 PM
you have me intrigued...

Hear that andreas? Sounds like he wants you

andreas_adelek · April 07, 2011, 03:57:04 PM

I stopped watching at "Another Won" just at the end of the solo. You can see on the screen on the stage that JP isnt playing consistently as you can hear (the last 4 notes in the solo). You can see 2-3 random pick strokes. And JLB is doing some kind of vibrato but you cant hear it in the "I gave you my word, now my love" part

Zook · April 07, 2011, 04:08:31 PM

Quote from: andreas_adelek on April 07, 2011, 03:57:04 PM
I stopped watching at "Another Won" just at the end of the solo. You can see on the screen on the stage that JP isnt playing consistently as you can hear (the last 4 notes in the solo). You can see 2-3 random pick strokes. And JLB is doing some kind of vibrato but you cant hear it in the "I gave you my word, now my love" part

Yeah... but... Who watches the stage screen anyway? I HATE YOU FOREVER!

Tunnel Vision · April 07, 2011, 04:13:56 PM

I might be able to see where you'd think the vocal line would be overdubbed, but for the end the guitar solo, watching the stage screen will be a bit misleading. Usually the stage screen is a little bit behind the music. The music and the stage video will not match up perfectly.

andreas_adelek · April 07, 2011, 04:17:44 PM

think i found another one

right at the beginning of "Under a Glass Moon" you can see that JP is late with the first note(notes, he is playing octaves) but it sounds normal

should i keep posting these or should i stop

wolfking · April 07, 2011, 04:21:33 PM

Keep going, I might check this out tonight and have a closer look.

andreas_adelek · April 07, 2011, 04:22:31 PM

Quote from: Tunnel Vision on April 07, 2011, 04:13:56 PM
I might be able to see where you'd think the vocal line would be overdubbed, but for the end the guitar solo, watching the stage screen will be a bit misleading. Usually the stage screen is a little bit behind the music. The music and the stage video will not match up perfectly.

well i see what you mean but then i would expect to see those "strokes" in a nice patter as they sound. Try muting the DVD and just watch with the melody in your head if you think the screen on the stage is "naturally off"

andreas_adelek · April 07, 2011, 04:36:50 PM

wow!!!! found another one

In "Innocence Faded" after JLB sings "One as if time disappears" JR has a solo in which you can see some vibrato-move on his "joystick" but you cant hear any changes in the sound (the last two moves with his left hand)

ok, im gonna stop now because its late in Croatia

gonna continue tomorrow

MykeHavoc · April 07, 2011, 04:51:35 PM

Yes. It is a complete fabrication put together by NASA. Bravo sir. I only hope you can escape before they get to you.

JayOctavarium · April 07, 2011, 05:19:04 PM

DONT RUIN THIS FOR ME!

hefdaddy42 · April 07, 2011, 05:26:15 PM

Quote from: andreas_adelek on April 07, 2011, 03:24:44 PM
Is Score Fake?

Fucking hell, no.

blackngold29 · April 07, 2011, 05:32:44 PM

As was mentioned JP's guitar died randomly in one song, and it would've been dumb to release it with that mess up. The band came out and confirmed that.

Is it fake along the lines of the guy on amazon that wrote in his review that Falling Into Infinity was horrible because "it's not possible to produce those sounds with instruments"? No.

Adami · April 07, 2011, 05:42:38 PM

According to the band its 95% real. That's good enough for me. What you're noticing is probably editing and synch problems. Along with you thinking you can more accurately associate the subtle nuances of musical performance than you actually can.

Loser1 · April 07, 2011, 05:47:25 PM

Quote from: andreas_adelek on April 07, 2011, 03:24:44 PM
There probably is a topic about this but I don't want to digg it up.
Well? I found alot of places where the music and video aren't in sync (JP playing something you cant see, JLB doing some vibratos that you cant hear and all of this more than once in the same song!)
I stopped watching it a couple of minutes ago and can't continue

I was at the show only a few rows back. James was in TOP form, it was his night. I understand that the vocals sound dry for a live recording. But I believe them to be from the actual concert.

Yea, the guitar cut out and was overdubbed for a minute or so. The performance was mixed for DVD/CD release, other then that, the performance is accurate.

Perpetual Change · April 07, 2011, 05:58:25 PM

Quote from: antigoon on April 07, 2011, 03:29:52 PM
Welcome to live concert DVDs.

bobs23 · April 07, 2011, 06:03:36 PM

With out a doubt outside of the UAGM fix there are no overdubs. If you are referring to seeing sound out of sync with the rear screen, that is normal. There was about a second delay in the video due to the switcher processing time and the time it took for the signal to get to the screen.

Perpetual Change · April 07, 2011, 06:06:11 PM

Quote from: bobs23 on April 07, 2011, 06:03:36 PM
With out a doubt outside of the UAGM fix there are no overdubs. If you are referring to seeing sound out of sync with the rear screen, that is normal. There was about a second delay in the video due to the switcher processing time and the time it took for the signal to get to the screen.

Awesome, thanks bobs. Are you sure it's a second delay, though? That seems like it'd be really out of sync.

andreas_adelek · April 07, 2011, 11:46:10 PM

Fair enough. Maybe im wrong, maybe im not...
I dont want to ruin (if i even could?) anyone's appreciation of Score so I wont continue after this post

but how can you look at JR 1st solo in "Innocence Faded" and think its just a minor sync problem

Adami · April 07, 2011, 11:47:56 PM

Quote from: andreas_adelek on April 07, 2011, 11:46:10 PM
Fair enough. Maybe im wrong, maybe im not...
I dont want to ruin (if i even could?) anyone's appreciation of Score so I wont continue after this post

but how can you look at JR 1st solo in "Innocence Faded" and think its just a minor sync problem

You're not going to ruin it. If you want to believe that most of Score is overdubbed, feel free, you'd just be incorrect in that assumption.

I stick to my original theory

Quote from: Adami on April 07, 2011, 05:42:38 PM
Along with you thinking you can more accurately discern the subtle nuances of musical performance than you actually can.

Perpetual Change · April 08, 2011, 01:49:40 AM

Quote from: andreas_adelek on April 07, 2011, 11:46:10 PM
Fair enough. Maybe im wrong, maybe im not...
I dont want to ruin (if i even could?) anyone's appreciation of Score so I wont continue after this post

but how can you look at JR 1st solo in "Innocence Faded" and think its just a minor sync problem

It's not a minor problem, I'd say it's pretty major. To be honest, I have no idea why your ears seem to pick up sounds so much slower than your eyes see, but I'd get that checked out. You want to be seeing a doctor, not DTF

Unless you're watching Score on Youtube, which, last I checked, has some pretty bad sync issues. If so, shame on you.

Sigz · April 08, 2011, 01:59:31 AM

Quote from: Adami on April 07, 2011, 05:42:38 PM
Along with you thinking you can more accurately discern the subtle nuances of musical performance than you actually can.

/thread

Loser1 · April 08, 2011, 02:31:01 AM

Quote from: andreas_adelek on April 07, 2011, 11:46:10 PM
Fair enough. Maybe im wrong, maybe im not...
I dont want to ruin (if i even could?) anyone's appreciation of Score so I wont continue after this post

but how can you look at JR 1st solo in "Innocence Faded" and think its just a minor sync problem

Ugh seriously... something is wrong with you. Go outside, live a little.

Metabog · April 08, 2011, 03:07:49 AM

You have my sword, Andreas.

Ninegauge · April 08, 2011, 07:55:35 AM

I have been noticing inconsistencies in the AV sync for the vocals on Score for a long time. The way I see it is the occasional line may have been sung 'badly', as would happen in any live performance. For a live DVD release, bum notes, etc. have to be eliminated, so the occasional line may have been re-recorded. If you watch the precious few amateur recordings made on the night, you can hear that the vocals are mostly identical to the vocals that made it on to the DVD, and they are amazing. There are a few things that have obviously been overdubbed, though. I think this was the video I noticed a very obvious one in (not sure if this is it, can't listen at the moment).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB6liz_TOAE

With regard to the instrumentalists, I didn't notice any overdubbing. JR constantly uses very light vibrato, not every note has to be Blackmore-esque. Not every effect has to be right in your face, some things musicians do are very subtle.

So don't let a few anomalies ruin an absolutely stellar DVD for you. LaBrie has simply scary vocal abilities, so who cares if he makes a few mistakes? And remember, all the vocals had to be sung at SOME stage. The tiny bit of overdubbing DT did for this DVD is nothing compared to what some bands have to do...

Dream Team · April 08, 2011, 08:31:38 AM

Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about DT vocals when 90% of popular artists these days can't sing a note and just auto-tune in the studio and lip-synch on the road.

hefdaddy42 · April 08, 2011, 08:49:15 AM

Quote from: andreas_adelek on April 07, 2011, 11:46:10 PM
Fair enough. Maybe im wrong, maybe im not...

No, you're definitely wrong.

reneranucci · April 08, 2011, 09:21:30 AM

I have a funny picture of the band re-recording the whole thing in the studio. Seriosly? What for?

Adami · April 08, 2011, 09:24:32 AM

Perhaps you're not quite as good at discerning how much vibrato a singer is really using simply by looking at his throat.

Perhaps you're not quite as good at watching a video of someone playing guitar and being able to tell exactly how clean a few notes of a solo are actually played.

Perhaps you fail to realize that JR has two mod wheels, one of which doesn't bend pitch.

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