Metropolis Pt. 1 Instrumental is Fantastic

[Orbert]

Presumably.  But they were able to do that due to the absence of KM.

[hefdaddy42]

No, I meant that I don't think it is a lack of Moore that has caused the change.  I think it is the presence of JP and MP.

Surely you can see the flaw in that reasoning.  JP and MP were present before.

That's not a flaw.  They used to be two of the five.  Now they are TWO of the five.

[Darkes7]

Not again...

[Dream Team]

Not again...

Well, this thread is about a song from Images and Words which you don't like . . . perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a Systematic Chaos thread? Just sayin' . . .

[AwakeFromOctavarium]

The thread title is redundant. Just saying.

[Darkes7]

Not again...

Well, this thread is about a song from Images and Words which you don't like . . . perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a Systematic Chaos thread? Just sayin' . . .

I meant the "MP and JP have taken over the band" conspiracy.

[bosk1]

Not again...

Well, this thread is about a song from Images and Words which you don't like . . . perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a Systematic Chaos thread? Just sayin' . . .

I meant the "MP and JP have taken over the band" conspiracy.

  They have?? 

[hefdaddy42]

Not again...

Welcome to my world.

[Dublagent66]

So all that being said, I say merely to illustrate an example of another "old-timer" who doesn't think Metropolis is better just because it's old.  As I said earlier, it just feels better constructed and feels like it fits the mood, tone, and music of the song better than the ES instrumental.

This, plus I don't know any "old-timers" who think any of the old stuff is better just because it's old.  That's just a silly thing to say about anyone here, and frankly I'm getting tired of it.

Another "old timer" here who completely agrees. 

[Adami]

Not again...

Well, this thread is about a song from Images and Words which you don't like . . . perhaps you'd be more comfortable in a Systematic Chaos thread? Just sayin' . . .

I meant the "MP and JP have taken over the band" conspiracy.

  They have?? 

Yes, JLB is french-canadian and Myung is Korean (south I assume) so they're probably used to be taken over.

[TAC]

I'm sorry, I've seen some comments regarding this...but has anyone here actualy said something is good because it is old? I don't understand.
Who said that?

[Adami]

I'm sorry, I've seen some comments regarding this...but has anyone here actualy said something is good because it is old? I don't understand.
Who said that?

John Petrucci did. The finest wines improve with age. He can't take it back now.

[Seventh Son]

Endless Sacrifice is meh and the 2nd worst song on Train of Thought (And it only beats Vacant because really, Vacant is a prelude to Stream of Consciousness, which owns the crap out of Endless Sacrifice). I don't hate it, but the instrumental section just isn't very interesting, I get bored listening to it and want to skip to one of the better songs on the album.

I really enjoy the Metropolis instrumental, but I honestly prefer James vocal highlights in it over anything else.

As for old vs. new DT, I just think its a result of DT being comfortable with what they are doing, instead of being hungry, but Orbert covered that nicely.

[Darkes7]

2nd worst song (...) it only beats Vacant

Vacant is a prelude to Stream of Consciousness

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

Other than that, I agree with most of the post.

[Seventh Son]

Its still a separate song, it just leads into SoC.

[Darkes7]

But well, a) it's actually better than SoC, b) it's the second best on the album. I don't get how everyone complains about soulless wankery on recent DT albums yet the songs that are actually the most atmospheric are the most hated.

[TheOutlawXanadu]

It has more to do with song length. Shorter DT songs from all eras are not thought as well of as their longer counterparts.

[KevShmev]

I am definitely with anyone who says "Vacant" is one of the best songs off ToT.  In fact, to me, the last three songs are far and away the best ones on it.

[Seventh Son]

I am definitely with anyone who says "Vacant" is one of the best songs off ToT.  In fact, to me, the last three songs are far and away the best ones on it.

Vacant doesn't do too much for me, honestly. However, the song that leads into it is absolutely amazing.

[hefdaddy42]

I am definitely with anyone who says "Vacant" is one of the best songs off ToT.  In fact, to me, the last three songs are far and away the best ones on it.

Vacant is amazing.  It may just be the best song on TOT.

[OperantChamber]

Endless Sacrifice is meh and the 2nd worst song on Train of Thought (And it only beats Vacant because really, Vacant is a prelude to Stream of Consciousness

I hate you so much,

[BRGM]

ES is awesome...and so is Vacant! :O DT:s best "really short song"    the Jordan rudess piano version gives me chills everytime I listen to it

[AwakeFromOctavarium]

I am definitely with anyone who says "Vacant" is one of the best songs off ToT.  In fact, to me, the last three songs are far and away the best ones on it.

I never think of Vacant as a stand-alone song. It's kinda like Wait For Sleep. It's a prelude to an epic, in its case, Stream of Consciousness.

[BRGM]

Pretty much yeah, Both vacant and STream of conciousness gets better if u listen to'em together

[Dublagent66]

Vacant is good, but to me, it's a transition song that sets up the last leg of the album for an epic ending.

[Darkes7]

I only think of Vacant as a standalone song and I don't see how it is anything else. Stream of Consciousness is entirely separate, even if they somehow flow into each other.

[Seventh Son]

Endless Sacrifice is meh and the 2nd worst song on Train of Thought (And it only beats Vacant because really, Vacant is a prelude to Stream of Consciousness

I hate you so much,

[AwakeFromOctavarium]

I only think of Vacant as a standalone song and I don't see how it is anything else. Stream of Consciousness is entirely separate, even if they somehow flow into each other.

I just find it kinda short.

[hefdaddy42]

I only think of Vacant as a standalone song and I don't see how it is anything else. Stream of Consciousness is entirely separate, even if they somehow flow into each other.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.  I also see Wait For Sleep and Learning to Live as being entirely separate, and have no qualms with listening to either individually.

Side-note: Here is my ranking of the four (as if anyone cares):

1.  LTL
2.  V
3.  WFS
4.  SOC

[ariich]

2nd worst song (...) it only beats Vacant

Vacant is a prelude to Stream of Consciousness

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

I've never agreed with you more than in this post. Vacant is excellent.

In fact, to me, the last three songs are far and away the best ones on it.

I'd throw HTF in there as well, but yeah the album definitely gets better in the second half.

[Seventh Son]

Its good, but I just don't think enough happens in Vacant to justify it above the other songs on ToT. Well, maybe above ES but that's about it for me. Opinions though, etc.

[AwakeFromOctavarium]

I only think of Vacant as a standalone song and I don't see how it is anything else. Stream of Consciousness is entirely separate, even if they somehow flow into each other.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.  I also see Wait For Sleep and Learning to Live as being entirely separate, and have no qualms with listening to either individually.

Side-note: Here is my ranking of the four (as if anyone cares):

1.  LTL
2.  V
3.  WFS
4.  SOC

Pretty much agreeable, except mine would have V and WFS switched.

[Seventh Son]

I would have Wait for Sleep #2, and Stream of Consciousness #3. But I have a huge fucking hard-on for that song, even if Train of Thought is one of their weaker albums.

[Darkes7]

I only think of Vacant as a standalone song and I don't see how it is anything else. Stream of Consciousness is entirely separate, even if they somehow flow into each other.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.  I also see Wait For Sleep and Learning to Live as being entirely separate, and have no qualms with listening to either individually.

Side-note: Here is my ranking of the four (as if anyone cares):

1.  LTL
2.  V
3.  WFS
4.  SOC

Wow, people started agreeing with me

Yes, kind of, but Wait For Sleep is slightly different because LTL is the album closer. But yes, I also see it as a separate song. And I think I agree with the ranking.

2nd worst song (...) it only beats Vacant

Vacant is a prelude to Stream of Consciousness

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

I've never agreed with you more than in this post. Vacant is excellent.

In fact, to me, the last three songs are far and away the best ones on it.

I'd throw HTF in there as well, but yeah the album definitely gets better in the second half.

Though can't agree on the second half. Vacant and In The Name of God is top notch DT material, but I don't find Stream of Consciousness that great anymore. On the other hand, This Dying Soul is great even if it's the weakest of the suite.

[hefdaddy42]

This Dying Soul is great even if it's the weakest of the suite.

I'm gonna blow your mind and agree with this as well.