Author Topic: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News (Read 490544 times)

cramx3 · « **Reply #2135 on:** June 10, 2015, 10:13:16 AM »

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I think that Eve, Hell's Kitchen, Space Dye-Vest, and Raw Dog all suffer from the same problem, in that they feel like outlines or rough sketches of songs, but not really complete compositions.

I get Raw Dog, but those other three are definitely complete.

I wouldn't call Hell's Kitchen a complete song. It's the instrumental section that was taken out of Buring my Soul with an ending added just so it can segue into Lines in the Sand. It wasn't originally intended to be a full, standalone song.

It wasn't originally intended to be a full standalone song, but they turned it into one by completing it. All of those listed songs are complete songs. I don't understand this argument at all.

Also, you people have no souls. Hell's Kitchen is beautiful.

I agree with this, personal opinion on the song aside, it did end up being a complete song even though it was not meant to be. I also do like this, but I think I like Raw Dog better

Got to keep the Raw Dog talk going

TheLordOfTheStrings · « **Reply #2136 on:** June 10, 2015, 11:28:05 AM »

So, given the last two album titles and track lists were announced in June of their respective years (and DT seems to be on the same schedule considering Jordan stating a few months ago that they're expecting a september release), should we be expecting some info in the coming days/weeks?

bosk1 · « **Reply #2137 on:** June 10, 2015, 11:32:59 AM »

cramx3 · « **Reply #2138 on:** June 10, 2015, 11:57:12 AM »

I would say its possible for a slight snippet of info during one of their shows this summer, something along the lines of "we are working on a new album that we hope to have out in early 2016" or something like that, but I doubt anything more and even that may be a long shot.

comment · « **Reply #2139 on:** June 10, 2015, 04:49:01 PM »

We need to start a prediction thread. What date will DT give an update on the new album? Whoever guesses the closest date could win ... Some.. Kudos or something.

PetFish · « **Reply #2140 on:** June 10, 2015, 08:32:05 PM »

I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.

It hasn't been played live since the late 90s and even then it was only for a few shows so we have no real good bootleg of it and definitely no official live version.

Also, it's totally complete, it has a nice intro bit, a beefy middle, and a majestic ending. There are no cut/paste moments like in The Dance of Eternity or Raw Dog. Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.

YtseJamittaja · « **Reply #2141 on:** June 10, 2015, 11:12:03 PM »

Quote from: PetFish on June 10, 2015, 08:32:05 PM

Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.

IIRC that move was made by Kevin Shirley. But yeah, that was brilliant move anyways.

OpenYourEyes311 · « **Reply #2142 on:** June 11, 2015, 09:15:22 AM »

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To me, that part of the song is a really cool, ingenious device for conveying the point of that step of the 12 step program in a unique and personal way. Unfortunately, to me (and I think many others), it just isn't something that is interesting to listen to repeatedly as part of a song. I still think it is really cool. But the novelty wore off after the first few listens, and I just do not feel like it is enjoyable to actually sit and listen to. It makes the song just feel too long and drawn out, and it just seems to plod and meander. It is a case of "brilliant concept that falls flat in the execution." That is why, although there is nothing that I actively dislike about the song and plenty that I do like, it still ranks VERY low for me and doesn't have a lot of replay-ability.
I agree with all of that.

Also, the intro is too long.

The actual song is pretty great.

All of this. These are the reasons I think the Flying Colors version is waaay better.

Dream Team · « **Reply #2143 on:** June 11, 2015, 12:57:04 PM »

Quote from: PetFish on June 10, 2015, 08:32:05 PM

I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.

It hasn't been played live since the late 90s and even then it was only for a few shows so we have no real good bootleg of it and definitely no official live version.

Also, it's totally complete, it has a nice intro bit, a beefy middle, and a majestic ending. There are no cut/paste moments like in The Dance of Eternity or Raw Dog. Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.

No, it was played on the Six Degrees tour. Plus there are much more glaring omissions in the recent set lists.

gmillerdrake · « **Reply #2144 on:** June 11, 2015, 01:01:48 PM »

Quote from: PetFish on June 10, 2015, 08:32:05 PM

Plus there are much more glaring omissions in the recent set lists.

My wish list includes but is not limited to:

- Behind the Veil
- The Glass Prison
- A Change of Seasons
- Blind Faith
- Misunderstood
- Learning to Live

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #2145 on:** June 11, 2015, 01:14:30 PM »

Quote from: Dream Team on June 11, 2015, 12:57:04 PM

Quote from: PetFish on June 10, 2015, 08:32:05 PM
I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.

It hasn't been played live since the late 90s and even then it was only for a few shows so we have no real good bootleg of it and definitely no official live version.

Also, it's totally complete, it has a nice intro bit, a beefy middle, and a majestic ending. There are no cut/paste moments like in The Dance of Eternity or Raw Dog. Taking Hell's Kitchen out of Burning My Soul was a brilliant move by DT.

No, it was played on the Six Degrees tour.

Hell's Kitchen was not played on the Six Degrees tour.

The outro from Hell's Kitchen was used as the outro of the Instrumedley, which was played on the Six Degrees tour (and once on the TOT tour, at Budokan).

The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.

RaiseTheKnife · « **Reply #2146 on:** June 11, 2015, 02:48:51 PM »

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I think if Hell's Kitchen is left off of the next tour Dream Theater should get a thousand paper cuts.

It hasn't been played live since the late 90s

No, it was played on the Six Degrees tour.

The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.

One of the best DT shows I've been to, included the live debut of Where Are You Now.

rumborak · « **Reply #2147 on:** June 11, 2015, 03:56:09 PM »

This thread is in a serious need of a renaming.

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #2148 on:** June 11, 2015, 04:01:06 PM »

Quote from: rumborak on June 11, 2015, 03:56:09 PM

This thread is in a serious need of a renaming.

How did I do?

rumborak · « **Reply #2149 on:** June 11, 2015, 04:34:04 PM »

Perfect.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #2150 on:** June 11, 2015, 04:42:47 PM »

Your hired!

Lucien · « **Reply #2151 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:06:55 PM »

you made me think there was news

KevShmev · « **Reply #2152 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:15:09 PM »

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 01:14:30 PM

Hell's Kitchen was not played on the Six Degrees tour.

The outro from Hell's Kitchen was used as the outro of the Instrumedley, which was played on the Six Degrees tour (and once on the TOT tour, at Budokan).

The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.

That is mind boggling to me. For a band that has long been damn good at catering to the fans, to ignore a song, that is beloved by most of the fanbase, for this long is pretty unbelievable.

TAC · « **Reply #2153 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:24:54 PM »

It is?

Maybe the band/MP was never really satisfied with the final version, still possibly viewing it as an incomplete piece?

KevShmev · « **Reply #2154 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:29:21 PM »

Eh, personally, I think it was kind of arrogant confidence on Portnoy's part (him being the writer of the set list for every tour from FII through BC&SL), like, "We had it right the first time (the Burning My Soul demo), so we didn't need someone else to tell us what to do." Playing it would be like admitting that someone else knew better than them how to make a song of theirs great.

TAC · « **Reply #2155 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:31:29 PM »

Right, that's what I was getting at.

bosk1 · « **Reply #2156 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:39:03 PM »

Quote from: KevShmev on June 11, 2015, 06:15:09 PM

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on June 11, 2015, 01:14:30 PM

Hell's Kitchen was not played on the Six Degrees tour.

The outro from Hell's Kitchen was used as the outro of the Instrumedley, which was played on the Six Degrees tour (and once on the TOT tour, at Budokan).

The song itself has only been performed by Dream Theater 4 times, all in December of 1998.

That is mind boggling to me. For a band that has long been damn good at catering to the fans, to ignore a song, that is beloved by most of the fanbase, for this long is pretty unbelievable.

That would seem to imply that there are more than a handful of people that like the song, wouldn't it? I don't believe that is the case.

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #2157 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:41:48 PM »

I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.

bosk1 · « **Reply #2158 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:48:04 PM »

Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 11, 2015, 06:41:48 PM

I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.

I wouldn't say I dislike it. I just don't find anything likeable about it. It is hard for me to understand why it was released as a standalone song by a band who plays such complex music, since it just repeats the same 4 notes over and over and over for 10 minutes or however interminably long it drags on. Yeah, that makes it easy for JP to throw down some tasty soloing over the same notes. But I just don't need to hear a solo stretched out over the same 4 notes for so long without going anywhere.

TAC · « **Reply #2159 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:50:53 PM »

I'm kinda with you Bosk on this one. I have never gotten the love for Hell's Kitchen. I think it speaks to the overall weakness of FII.

rumborak · « **Reply #2160 on:** June 11, 2015, 07:13:46 PM »

I love Hell's Kitchen. It's a rare DT instrumental that convinces through its simplicity. Essentially a good jam.

Zook · « **Reply #2161 on:** June 11, 2015, 07:20:19 PM »

Hell's Kitchen is great. I love the mellow atmosphere. It's just a nice, calm piece.

Lucien · « **Reply #2162 on:** June 11, 2015, 07:27:57 PM »

Quote from: bosk1 on June 11, 2015, 06:48:04 PM

Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 11, 2015, 06:41:48 PM
I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.
It is hard for me to understand why it was released as a standalone song by a band who plays such complex music, since it just repeats the same 4 notes over and over and over for 10 minutes or however interminably long it drags on.

The entire song is 4:22, the 4 note pattern starts at 3:18

bit of an exaggeration

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #2163 on:** June 11, 2015, 09:24:57 PM »

Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on June 11, 2015, 06:41:48 PM

I don't know that it's universally loved or anything, but I've honestly hardly ever seen anyone other than you express dislike for it.

That. I wouldn't say it's close to universally loved, nor loathed. I think it's middle of the road as far as fan response goes. I'd love to hear them bust it out though. It worked so nicely in the Instrumedley.

ResultsMayVary · « **Reply #2164 on:** June 11, 2015, 11:09:56 PM »

We desperately need new album news. Desperately.

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #2165 on:** June 12, 2015, 12:23:12 AM »

Hell's Kitchen coherently goes from psychedelia to prog rock to heavy prog rock to epic prog metal in barely over four minutes. One of the best mixed DT songs too (the bass is nice and loud).

James Mypetgiress · « **Reply #2166 on:** June 12, 2015, 02:08:11 AM »

Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 12, 2015, 12:23:12 AM

Hell's Kitchen coherently goes from psychedelia to prog rock to heavy prog rock to epic prog metal in barely over four minutes. One of the best mixed DT songs too (the bass is nice and loud).

Have we given up talking about a new album and just started talking about random, unrelated songs?

Zydar · « **Reply #2167 on:** June 12, 2015, 02:15:52 AM »

Quote from: James Mypetgiress on June 12, 2015, 02:08:11 AM

Quote from: ReaPsTA on June 12, 2015, 12:23:12 AM
Hell's Kitchen coherently goes from psychedelia to prog rock to heavy prog rock to epic prog metal in barely over four minutes. One of the best mixed DT songs too (the bass is nice and loud).
Have we given up talking about a new album and just started talking about random, unrelated songs?

Welcome to the last 50 pages

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #2168 on:** June 12, 2015, 02:21:40 AM »

It's either discuss random songs, or discuss nothing and lock the thread.

You know, I think you might be onto something here.......

jonnybaxy · « **Reply #2169 on:** June 12, 2015, 06:04:34 AM »

So how good is sandstorm - Darude?

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Author Topic: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News (Read 490544 times)