Author Topic: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News (Read 487984 times)

rumborak · « **Reply #1050 on:** March 20, 2015, 04:46:28 PM »

Quote from: The Presence of Frenemies on March 19, 2015, 03:11:25 PM

Quote from: rumborak on March 19, 2015, 06:45:55 AM
Quote from: Lucien on March 18, 2015, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: LastShoot on March 18, 2015, 09:51:57 PM
From MM's Facebook:

The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.

Well that's good to hear!

Is it? I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but his DT12 snare sound could be described as "gun shot".

The term could apply to almost any snare tone, good or bad. Spinning it in any real direction is really unfair. All we know is MM likes it. Heck, he didn't even say this was what he was using on the album.

Again, I don't want to come across as a Negative Nancy, but the Remo P77 is a marching band snare, and I assume you know what those snares sound like.

This is Tony Roster Jr playing a P77:
https://youtu.be/tHJ99HW8jb4

I'm not pretending to understand much of drum sounds, but I definitely understand that it is very hard to coax a marching band snare into anything but a "Pang!". Or, as MM put it, a gunshot. That's what they're *designed* to sound like.

TheGreatPretender · « **Reply #1051 on:** March 20, 2015, 05:42:37 PM »

Quote from: rumborak on March 19, 2015, 06:45:55 AM

Quote from: Lucien on March 18, 2015, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: LastShoot on March 18, 2015, 09:51:57 PM
From MM's Facebook:

The Coated REMO P77 snare head sounds like a gun shot when pitched medium tight and whacked ! Some new, thicker heads do this too. It depends on some drum and room attributes of course.

Well that's good to hear!

Is it? I don't want to be overly pessimistic, but his DT12 snare sound could be described as "gun shot".

I'd say that the snare on I&W could be described as "gun shot" too. Triggered or not, a lot of people seem to like it. In fact, you could say it's a "triggered gun shot".

rumborak · « **Reply #1052 on:** March 20, 2015, 06:21:23 PM »

I think a lot of people like the gunshot snare of IAW as they love Molly Ringwald

It fit the time perfectly, but it's not something that works when brought back.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1053 on:** March 20, 2015, 06:27:20 PM »

I'm not too worried about the snare choice, as production has a bigger an effect on the final sound. If they mess up the production, it wont matter what snare he uses. If they get it right, it could sound good regardless.
I'm glad he's still experimenting with his kit, so I don't expect an exact repeat of DT12.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #1054 on:** March 20, 2015, 07:11:19 PM »

Quote from: rumborak on March 20, 2015, 06:21:23 PM

I think a lot of people like the gunshot snare of IAW as they love Molly Ringwald It fit the time perfectly, but it's not something that works when brought back.

Don't yanky my wanky Rumbo.

RaiseTheKnife · « **Reply #1055 on:** March 20, 2015, 08:36:10 PM »

Her cameo in "Not Another Teen Movie" is great.

Bertielee · « **Reply #1056 on:** March 21, 2015, 01:18:43 AM »

Quote from: RaiseTheKnife on March 20, 2015, 08:36:10 PM

Her cameo in "Not Another Teen Movie" is great.

Am I missing something there?

B.Lee

Zook · « **Reply #1057 on:** March 21, 2015, 02:43:39 AM »

Quote from: Bertielee on March 21, 2015, 01:18:43 AM

Quote from: RaiseTheKnife on March 20, 2015, 08:36:10 PM
Her cameo in "Not Another Teen Movie" is great.

Am I missing something there?

B.Lee

She showed up at the end of the movie.

nikatapi · « **Reply #1058 on:** March 21, 2015, 04:14:58 AM »

Quote from: rumborak on March 20, 2015, 04:46:28 PM

Again, I don't want to come across as a Negative Nancy, but the Remo P77 is a marching band snare, and I assume you know what those snares sound like.

This is Tony Roster Jr playing a P77:
https://youtu.be/tHJ99HW8jb4

I'm not pretending to understand much of drum sounds, but I definitely understand that it is very hard to coax a marching band snare into anything but a "Pang!". Or, as MM put it, a gunshot. That's what they're *designed* to sound like.

It also depends on the snare drum besides the skin, but i like the sound on the video you posted, i would love some ghost notes (almost absent on DT12) on the new album, i missed them a lot, and the few of them on DT12 sounded bad due to the lower tuning.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #1059 on:** March 21, 2015, 04:21:41 AM »

Snares tuned that high will *never* sound good in *any* context.

BlackInk · « **Reply #1060 on:** March 21, 2015, 04:27:13 AM »

Did Mike's snare actually sound like that live though? In the studio I mean. I always got the impression that it sounds the way it does on the album because it got messed up after it was recorded. How do you even get a snare to sound that bad in real life?

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1061 on:** March 21, 2015, 04:30:25 AM »

Quote from: BlackInk on March 21, 2015, 04:27:13 AM

Did Mike's snare actually sound like that live though? In the studio I mean. I always got the impression that it sounds the way it does on the album because it got messed up after it was recorded. How do you even get a snare to sound that bad in real life?

The actual snare was tuned low, but there's also a lot of compression and limiting on the album that makes it sound worse, so it was a combination. I think BTFW is how that snare is supposed to sound.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #1062 on:** March 21, 2015, 04:32:30 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 21, 2015, 04:30:25 AM

Quote from: BlackInk on March 21, 2015, 04:27:13 AM
Did Mike's snare actually sound like that live though? In the studio I mean. I always got the impression that it sounds the way it does on the album because it got messed up after it was recorded. How do you even get a snare to sound that bad in real life?

The actual snare was tuned low, but there's also a lot of compression and limiting on the album that makes it sound worse, so it was a combination. I think BTFW is how that snare is supposed to sound.

Yes. In a drum interview - Mangini said he loosened the snare skin so it was more like a thud than a snap.

That combined with gating and probably bad EQ and overall compression etc...

I imagine that it probably sounded a lot better in the studio.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #1063 on:** March 21, 2015, 04:41:29 AM »

A few times i've recorded a great drum sound that is almost completely lost by the time the whole CD is finished.

Zydar · « **Reply #1064 on:** March 25, 2015, 10:31:21 AM »

Their new Facebook profile pic:

Prog Snob · « **Reply #1065 on:** March 25, 2015, 10:41:53 AM »

bosk1 · « **Reply #1066 on:** March 25, 2015, 10:43:25 AM »

SuperTaco · « **Reply #1067 on:** March 25, 2015, 10:45:08 AM »

Quote from: Zydar on March 25, 2015, 10:31:21 AM

Their new Facebook profile pic:

That is pretty.

emtee · « **Reply #1068 on:** March 25, 2015, 10:48:29 AM »

Upon first glance Aerosmith popped into my thoughts

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #1069 on:** March 25, 2015, 10:50:26 AM »

Sweet

Nest777 · « **Reply #1070 on:** March 25, 2015, 10:51:45 AM »

From the official website

AngelBack · « **Reply #1071 on:** March 25, 2015, 10:58:23 AM »

New wallpaper deployed....

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1072 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM »

Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #1073 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:07:30 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM

Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.

Not for me.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1074 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:08:17 AM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on March 25, 2015, 11:07:30 AM

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.

Not for me.

You don't get to decide the anniversary of the band.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #1075 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:09:11 AM »

You sound like my wife.

SuperTaco · « **Reply #1076 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:10:09 AM »

I like the winged logo better, but they're both nice. Let the promotional train begin.

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #1077 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:23:45 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM

Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.

Was it ever not? The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?

The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1078 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:25:09 AM »

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 11:23:45 AM

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.
Was it ever not? The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?

The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.

Have you forgotten the big DTF debate a while back when JLB said that he didn't continue 1985 the anniversary of the band? It's just nice to see it reconfirmed.

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #1079 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:26:59 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:25:09 AM

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.
Was it ever not? The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?

The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.

Have you forgotten the big DTF debate a while back when JLB said that he didn't continue 1985 the anniversary of the band?

I remember the debate vaguely, but how JLB as an individual sees it and how the group as a collective sees it aren't necessarily the same thing.

And I'm not sure JLB gets a vote, anyway, since no matter which date is picked, he wasn't there.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #1080 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:28:13 AM »

Yeah, I'm one of those 1989'ers. Blob's arch nemesis.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #1081 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:30:38 AM »

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 11:26:59 AM

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 25, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2015, 11:05:28 AM
Well there you go. 1985 is still the anniversary of the band.
Was it ever not? The 20th Anniversary tour started in September 2005, so didn't they always consider it that?

The only other real date possible would be 1989, when the first album came out.

Have you forgotten the big DTF debate a while back when JLB said that he didn't continue 1985 the anniversary of the band?
I remember the debate vaguely, but how JLB as an individual sees it and how the group as a collective sees it aren't necessarily the same thing.

And I'm not sure JLB gets a vote, anyway, since no matter which date is picked, he wasn't there.

I agree. It's just nice to see any doubts put to rest for the misguided few.

YES KING I'M REFERRING TO YOU.

bosk1 · « **Reply #1082 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:35:32 AM »

I don't think it matters how many people in the band vote for a certain date because quality over quantity.

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #1083 on:** March 25, 2015, 11:42:17 AM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on March 25, 2015, 11:28:13 AM

Yeah, I'm one of those 1989'ers. Blob's arch nemesis.

I see both sides, and I've seen bands do it both ways (for example, Kansas just celebrated their 40th anniversary in 2014, 40 years after the release of their first album). So for me, it's up to the band, and DT appears to have always considered 1985 to be the anniversary.

vtgrad · « **Reply #1084 on:** March 25, 2015, 12:25:44 PM »

I was going to wait until I remembered to bring the new Guitar World to work so that I could copy JP's comments verbatim... but in light of the new promotional material I'll go from memory.

The GW preview for the new album quotes JP with something along the lines of "we originally got the idea (for the new album) during the promotional tour in 2013 and we've been working through ideas since..." Something along those lines. He then says something like "... now we have to work through what works and what doesn't work". Again, I'm going from memory.

I'll bring the mag to work tomorrow and post the article verbatim.

Excited... to say the least!

News: The Gift of Music official video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fae4FQ4McSY

Author Topic: Dream Theater entered the studio in February v. No News is Good News (Read 487984 times)