Dream Theater self titled album discussion - [SPOILER FREE DISCUSSION ONLY]

[jsbru]

I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh  wait, I was confusing it with a different song."

Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.

I still confuse Take the Time and Leaning to Live (not the songs, the titles) after having listened to them for 15 years, with I&W probably being my most listened album by any artist of all time.  I also confuse Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears.

[CodyWanKenobi]

Are we still going on about the album "only" being 70 mins ?

No, we're going on about it NOT EVEN being 70 mins! 

[Kotowboy]

Jeeze. I'd rather have 60 solid minutes of the best DT can come up with instead of 78 mins of  Black Clouds & Silver Linings part 2

[Tis BOOLsheet]

I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh  wait, I was confusing it with a different song."

Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.

I still confuse Take the Time and Leaning to Live (not the songs, the titles) after having listened to them for 15 years, with I&W probably being my most listened album by any artist of all time.  I also confuse Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears.

Cool dude. I sometimes confuse Slayer with the Backstreet Boys.

[jsbru]

Cool dude. I sometimes confuse Slayer with the Backstreet Boys.

[GasparXR]

I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh  wait, I was confusing it with a different song."

Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.

I still confuse Take the Time and Leaning to Live (not the songs, the titles) after having listened to them for 15 years, with I&W probably being my most listened album by any artist of all time.  I also confuse Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears.

Cool dude. I sometimes confuse Slayer with the Backstreet Boys.

They're both similar in quality.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh  wait, I was confusing it with a different song."

Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.

I still confuse Take the Time and Leaning to Live (not the songs, the titles) after having listened to them for 15 years, with I&W probably being my most listened album by any artist of all time.  I also confuse Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears.

Cool dude. I sometimes confuse Slayer with the Backstreet Boys.

They're both similar in quality.

[Kotowboy]

Neither of them have drummers called Dave.

[(nothing)]

"Hell's Kitchen" and "average song" should never be used in the same context.

Well, that's just, like, my opinion, man! I stand by it though. Maybe even a little bit below average. HK is definitely in the bottom 50 for me. 

"Now wait a (f*&#@ing) minute man!"





Just kidding, I also think that Hell's Kitchen is not that great (although the outro sounds epic as fuark in the context of something like Instrumedley).

[XB0BX]

I have to wonder if someone is even that familiar with the album if he says BAI is a ballad and then says "oh  wait, I was confusing it with a different song."

Meh. I confuse song titles on occasion.

I still confuse Take the Time and Leaning to Live (not the songs, the titles) after having listened to them for 15 years, with I&W probably being my most listened album by any artist of all time.  I also confuse Lines in the Sand and Trial of Tears.

Wow, I sometimes do the same exact thing with the exact same songs.

[snowdog]

Jeeze. I'd rather have 60 solid minutes of the best DT can come up with instead of 78 mins of  Black Clouds & Silver Linings part 2

Amen

[Lucidity]

Jeeze. I'd rather have 60 solid minutes of the best DT can come up with instead of 78 mins of  Black Clouds & Silver Linings part 2

Amen

I love BC&SL   

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?

[BlobVanDam]

In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?

Apparently the same universe where one of DT's most highly regarded albums, IaW, is only 57 minutes long.

[RMGadelha]

And in the same universe where we discuss what a centerpiece means

[TheGreatPretender]

Apparently the same universe where one of DT's most highly regarded albums, IaW, is only 57 minutes long.

That's 57 minutes of progressive awesomeness. 

[krieger]

In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?

I must quote that. 

[fadetoblackdude7]

Jeeze. I'd rather have 60 solid minutes of the best DT can come up with instead of 78 mins of  Systematic Chaos part 2

FTFY

[GasparXR]

In what friggin' universe is a 68 minute long album "short"?

The same universe that considers a 6-minute song, a short song.

[TheGreatPretender]

Jeeze. I'd rather have 60 solid minutes of the best DT can come up with instead of 78 mins of  Systematic Chaos part 2

FTFY

No.

[Ħ]

Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?

[Zydar]

Quality over quantity.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

Yes. Quality>>>>>>>>>>Quantity


I couldn't give a damn how short DT's album could be, as long as it's got some killer stuff.

[adastra]

Quality over quantity.

This would have been cool;

Octavarium (2005) 75:44   
In The Presence Of Enemies -EP  (2007)  25:38
Black Clouds & Silver Linings (2009)  75:25



But Yeah,  there are lots of people who like those other Systematic Chaos songs too.

[noxon]

Only if the lyrics were rewritten to not be a priest comic adaptation...

[TheGreatPretender]

Who cares if they're an adaptation, they sound cool, and make for interesting imagery. It certainly beats the lyrics on TCOT or ANTR.

[ariich]

Jeez, one person makes a comment about the length of the album and loads of people jump in to have a go at everybody complaining that the album is too short.

[Aefenwelg]

Would you rather have a medium amount of good pizza, or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?

This really depends on how hungry I am at the moment.

[liran95]

I don't know about you, but IT being 22 min long makes me happy as hell, and thanks to its length, I can't care less about the overall length.

[serrano]

Only if the lyrics were rewritten to not be a priest comic adaptation...

I don't see any problem with "ITPoE" lyrics, i like also James' delivery. It's a matter of taste and i think it's one of the best JP "story like" lyrics. I can see the point why someone could dislike it, the dark master theme and being too close to the comic it came from.

Apparently the same universe where one of DT's most highly regarded albums, IaW, is only 57 minutes long.

In my opinion, I&W is too short, it always leaves me wanting more.

[noxon]

If only they'd made the advances in CD-audio by the time Images and Words was released, we would've had ACOS on there as well...

[BlobVanDam]

If only they'd made the advances in CD-audio by the time Images and Words was released, we would've had ACOS on there as well...

That would have dragged the album down for me.

[serrano]

If only they'd made the advances in CD-audio by the time Images and Words was released, we would've had ACOS on there as well...

I know, that would make the feeling, that the album is too short, even stronger for me... ...wanting more of it after listening!

[Outcrier]

01 - A Change Of Seasons
02 - Raise The Knife
03 - Hell's Kitchen
04 - Lines In The Sand
05 - Trial Of Tears

Maybe one more short song between.

[TheGreatPretender]

DT was never the kind of band to recycle their old ideas for new albums though. I mean, okay, they had some ideas for Metropolis Pt. 2 in 1996, that hey ended up developing into SFAM as we know it, but they've never had old songs that they just threw onto new albums. It's not like they went, "Oh, we're working on Awake, let's throw To Live Forever and Don't Look Past Me" on it. And it wouldn't have worked for FII and ACOS either, because Awake had a whole different kind of sound to it. TLF and DLPM would have stood out like a sore thumb on that album. Same with ACOS and FII. ACOS has an overall much darker, more poetic tone than anything on FII.

Every DT album has something different in terms of the overall sound and mood, so sticking old songs on new albums, those songs would not fit in very well.