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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #455 on: January 19, 2011, 11:21:01 AM »
i'm more interested in how nolan will put both villains in the story.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #456 on: January 19, 2011, 11:21:07 AM »
Interesting...
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #457 on: January 19, 2011, 11:22:03 AM »
Pardon my terrible ignorance, but is Catwoman a villain in the Batman universe? I have no idea.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #458 on: January 19, 2011, 11:28:08 AM »
Tom Hardy as Bane is very good casting.  It will be cool to see a better version of him than in Batman & Robin.

I'm not exactly thrilled at Catwoman being a character, but it's Chris Nolan, so I can't have negative expectations.  Anne Hathaway is a good actor, but I don't know how Nolan will interpret the character, so I don't know how well she'll play it.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #459 on: January 19, 2011, 11:29:13 AM »
To be fair, she was cast as Selena Kyle. It's possible that "catwoman" won't have a major role.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #460 on: January 19, 2011, 11:29:34 AM »
Quote from: Jamesman on January 19, 2011, 11:22:03 AM
Pardon my terrible ignorance, but is Catwoman a villain in the Batman universe? I have no idea.
Well, it depends on the story really. Sometimes she's a villain, sometimes an antihero. The only constant is the weird romantic relationship she and Bruce Wayne have.

Quote from: Adami on January 19, 2011, 11:29:13 AM
To be fair, she was cast as Selena Kyle. It's possible that "catwoman" won't have a major role.
True, but seeing as Nolan has stated that this is his last Batman movie, I would think she would turn into Catwoman at some point.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #461 on: January 19, 2011, 11:34:14 AM »
Why would Nolan turn into Catwoman? :neverusethis:

Edit: Dammit, you fixed it.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #462 on: January 19, 2011, 11:35:51 AM »
Ninjas everywhere in this bitch.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #463 on: January 19, 2011, 12:41:07 PM »
I'm surprised, but still very psyched about it.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #464 on: January 19, 2011, 01:03:22 PM »
Quote from: Zantera on January 19, 2011, 12:41:07 PM
I'm surprised, but still very psyched about it.

This.

Noland is good when working with odd characters, so slightly odd casting choices only make me more excited to see what he does with the roles.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #465 on: January 19, 2011, 01:50:40 PM »
catwoman will probably be the two-face of this movie, all the way at the end with relatively small relevance to the overall story.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #466 on: January 19, 2011, 02:24:03 PM »
Can't wait for Bane. One of my favorite storylines of the comic. And after his rape in Batman and Robin, I'm very excited to see his story done justice.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #467 on: January 19, 2011, 02:32:52 PM »
So are these two the villains for the movie? If they are the only ones (though Catwoman isnt necessarily a "villain"), its kind of weak in my opinion. I think they need one more "lead villain" that poses somewhat more of a threat to batwoman. I just dont see Bane and Catwoman as a huge threat.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #468 on: January 19, 2011, 02:40:24 PM »
Do people read comics? A lot of comments in here make me think not. Catwoman is hardly a "villain". More an anti-hero. She is a cat burglar that goes to whatever side benefits her. She is mainly sexual conflict for Batman, and now that Rachel's character is out of the picture, he needs some sort of struggle. Although I think this element was done perfectly in Burton's film, I'm excited to see what Nolan does with it. I'll bet the main "villain" plot will be about Batman getting his back broken by Bane.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #469 on: January 19, 2011, 04:34:57 PM »
Quote from: Volk9 on January 19, 2011, 02:32:52 PM
So are these two the villains for the movie? If they are the only ones (though Catwoman isnt necessarily a "villain"), its kind of weak in my opinion. I think they need one more "lead villain" that poses somewhat more of a threat to batwoman. I just dont see Bane and Catwoman as a huge threat.
Now that's a big twist to the story.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #470 on: January 19, 2011, 04:38:44 PM »
I am excited.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #471 on: January 19, 2011, 04:48:10 PM »
If I read the internet correctly, Bane in the comics was a super strong super genius who found out Batman's identity and broke his back.  That would be a pretty hardcore direction for the movies to go.  But it's the Nolan Batman, so I expect it to open new territory.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #472 on: January 19, 2011, 04:51:34 PM »
I wonder what they'll do about Banes physical appearence. Tom Hardy isn't quite............Bane.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #473 on: January 19, 2011, 04:53:25 PM »
I like that every time Nolan cast an actor or actress(except for Mrs. Cruise)  I've given the old, "That is an odd choice" but have been blown away with their acting in the movies so again, I'm betting on greatness.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #474 on: January 19, 2011, 04:57:17 PM »
He should have waited till April 1st and announced that JGL will play Bane.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #475 on: January 19, 2011, 05:06:41 PM »
Quote from: kingshmegland on January 19, 2011, 04:53:25 PM
I like that every time Nolan cast an actor or actress(except for Mrs. Cruise)  I've given the old, "That is an odd choice" but have been blown away with their acting in the movies so again, I'm betting on greatness.

Honestly, I thought she did a good job.

I just realized something too.  The two Batman movies feel somewhat disconnected.  In actuality, there's no continuity issues or anything.  But they show very different worlds.  The Gotham of Batman Begins is seedy, run down, a bunch of alleys, and a messed up island containing Arkham.  The Gotham of The Dark Knight is epic in scope, including an intentional use of more daylight shots.  Batman does less stealthy fighting in the sequel.  The Wayne family's elevated subway is never mentioned again.  We see far less Bruce Wayne.  His house was even destroyed.

The actress change makes them feel unrelated in a much more tangible way.  Dawes had a close emotional tie with Bruce and thus was a major part of the story's emotional fabric, arguably the most important part of the movie.  It creates a fundamental emotional disconnect which de-links the films.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #476 on: January 19, 2011, 05:13:26 PM »
Quote from: ReaPsTA on January 19, 2011, 04:48:10 PM
If I read the internet correctly, Bane in the comics was a super strong super genius who found out Batman's identity and broke his back.  That would be a pretty hardcore direction for the movies to go.  But it's the Nolan Batman, so I expect it to open new territory.

Given that Nolan is only doing three, maybe he'll have Bane kill Batman.  Seriously.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #477 on: January 19, 2011, 05:15:04 PM »
Well it will be the first live action batman film to kill him, so I'd be happy with that.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #478 on: January 19, 2011, 05:17:34 PM »
I'm quite skeptical of the Bane thing, but maybe it's because I still picture the utterly ridiculous and mentally retarded Bane from Batman and Robin. And I'm expecting a lot of Nolan's version of Catwoman.
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« Reply #479 on: January 19, 2011, 05:18:42 PM »
Quote from: LCArenas on January 19, 2011, 05:17:34 PM
I'm quite skeptical of the Bane thing, but maybe it's because I still picture the utterly ridiculous and mentally retarded Bane from Batman and Robin. And I'm expecting a lot of Nolan's version of Catwoman.

Just remember that the last time Nolan chose an odd person to play someone, the guy ended up winning an oscar for it.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #480 on: January 19, 2011, 05:19:58 PM »
Quote from: Adami on January 19, 2011, 05:15:04 PM
Well it will be the first live action batman film to kill him, so I'd be happy with that.

Atually, given the universe and the themes Nolan has built up for the first two films, it would be completely consistent with his direction to kill of Batman at the end and have ordinary citizens begin to stand up for themselves.  Actually, even hinting at another hero or heroes stepping up at the end would work, I suppose.  It all ties into this conflict Nolan has built up about the need for Batman, and Bruce wanting to quit, but feeling like he can't because he is the only thing holding evil at bay because no one else can/will step up.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #481 on: January 19, 2011, 05:29:51 PM »
Quote from: bösk1 on January 19, 2011, 05:13:26 PM
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If I read the internet correctly, Bane in the comics was a super strong super genius who found out Batman's identity and broke his back.  That would be a pretty hardcore direction for the movies to go.  But it's the Nolan Batman, so I expect it to open new territory.

Given that Nolan is only doing three, maybe he'll have Bane kill Batman.  Seriously.

Nah, that won't happen. Neither will this follow the story arc of the comics where Batman is "broken" (literally) by Bane. I'm not sure where Nolan is going with the Bane angle. I am shocked he picked this character to be a part in the film. We'll see what transpires. I learned after Batman Begins to just trust Nolan. So while I find the inclusion of Bane a little weird, I'm excited to see what he does to the character to make him more realistic.

One thought is that Dr. Hugo Strange will still be in the film, and Bane is an experiment. That would be cool.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #482 on: January 19, 2011, 05:30:55 PM »
Quote from: Dimitrius on January 19, 2011, 11:29:34 AM
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Pardon my terrible ignorance, but is Catwoman a villain in the Batman universe? I have no idea.
Well, it depends on the story really. Sometimes she's a villain, sometimes an antihero. The only constant is the weird romantic relationship she and Bruce Wayne have.

Yeah, don't feel bad about being confused about the goings on in the DC Universe. Batman was dead, but he wasn't really, he was just sent back in time...It's confusing as hell.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #483 on: January 19, 2011, 05:32:33 PM »
Going by the title, I think its going to be a softcore porn film. The dark knight "rises" after seeing catwoman, then goes brokeback with bane.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #484 on: January 19, 2011, 05:33:14 PM »
Quote from: Adami on January 19, 2011, 11:29:13 AM
To be fair, she was cast as Selena Kyle. It's possible that "catwoman" won't have a major role.

Yeah, that's my take as well, although I think Catwoman will be a recurring motif (news reports of a female cat burglar, Batman spotting Catwoman while working on another case, but ignoring her, losing her in a chase, etc.) throughout the film. Just guesswork, but I think Catwoman will appear toward the end, with some sort of love triangle between Bruce/Selina/whoever falling apart at the end once Bruce sees that Selina is Catwoman.

Also, folks for the absolute best Batman coverage online, go to www.legionsofgotham.org. And make sure to find it on Facebook. I am a contributing writer for the site, but before I was a writer for them, I absolutely loved that site.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #485 on: January 19, 2011, 05:35:16 PM »
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Pardon my terrible ignorance, but is Catwoman a villain in the Batman universe? I have no idea.
Well, it depends on the story really. Sometimes she's a villain, sometimes an antihero. The only constant is the weird romantic relationship she and Bruce Wayne have.

Yeah, don't feel bad about being confused about the goings on in the DC Universe. Batman was dead, but he wasn't really, he was just sent back in time...It's confusing as hell.

Just ignore it. They are angling toward a reboot in the next couple of years, and everyone following the arcs the past decade or so are waiting for it. lol.  :lol
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« Reply #486 on: January 19, 2011, 05:39:53 PM »
Indeed. Just read the decent stand alone series like All Star Batman and Robin.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #487 on: January 19, 2011, 05:41:38 PM »
Wait, rebooting Batman after Nolan is done?
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« Reply #488 on: January 19, 2011, 05:42:23 PM »
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Wait, rebooting Batman after Nolan is done?

Maybe he meant the comics.
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« Reply #489 on: January 19, 2011, 05:42:53 PM »
Nah, I think he's talking about a reboot of DC canon, like what "Crisis on Infinite Earths" did.
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