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Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« on: March 30, 2020, 12:08:59 PM »
Both have had about the same number of album releases (give or take) and both are 'supergroups' that employ a revolving door of players and vocalists.

Who do you take? 

I'm pretty sure who wins, but as is the case with most polls here, it's more about the discussion than the winner.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2020, 12:17:28 PM »
Ayreon. What I've heard of Avantasia was fine, but didn't really grab me the way Ayreon did.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2020, 12:23:30 PM »
Avantasia, easily.  Better songs and ultimately a heavier band.

I like some Ayreon, but prefer Star One, since those two albums are more metal and song oriented, than Ayreon has turned out to be.  Ayreon really sounds too "spacey" to me, and the albums are just way too cumbersome to get through. 
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2020, 12:34:53 PM »
I'd say Avantasia, although it's close. Avantasia's first two albums are pretty bad, and The Mystery of Time is kind of flat and uninspired for the most part, but the Scarecrow saga is incredible, along with Ghostlights and (to a lesser extent) Moonglow.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2020, 01:38:18 PM »
Avantasia has great Power Metal, Speed songs. Includes many great vocalists and some special surprises, Klaus Meine. I don't have Mystery of Time, so can't judge that. The first 2 albums are great as well.

Ayreon is my choice. I like the Grand concept of the albums, The Source is a nice prequel for 01, and makes me feel some of the characters from The Source are in 01 as well. Just by the tone in their voices.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2020, 02:08:05 PM »
Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 30, 2020, 12:34:53 PM
Avantasia's first two albums are pretty bad

What. They're landmark albums in the entire genre of power metal for a reason!
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2020, 02:12:46 PM »
David DeFeis is a delight, but the rest of the music just doesn't do much for me. Vocals don't really work for me either, outside of the aforementioned DeFeis and some good moments from Tobi. Lyrics are pretty poor and silly/cheesy, which I wouldn't mind if they were paired with better music, but when this is their backdrop, it just doesn't work.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2020, 02:56:46 PM »
Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 30, 2020, 12:34:53 PM
Avantasia's first two albums are pretty bad,

Lol.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2020, 03:24:51 PM »
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2020, 03:39:19 PM »
Big fan of both, but I'll say Ayreon based on how much I love THE and TTOE.

Also this:

Quote from: wolfking on March 30, 2020, 02:56:46 PM
Quote from: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 30, 2020, 12:34:53 PM
Avantasia's first two albums are pretty bad,

Lol.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2020, 03:51:28 PM »
Didn't we do this recently?  Ayreon, but it's close.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2020, 05:29:33 PM »
Quote from: jingle.boy on March 30, 2020, 03:51:28 PM
Didn't we do this recently?  Ayreon, but it's close.

Thought the same thing. Having some deja vu here.

Ayreon. Have not heard a note of Avantasia. Maybe I will check some stuff out since I don't have much to do.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2020, 05:34:53 PM »
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Ayreon. Have not heard a note of Avantasia.

I'm literally just the opposite.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2020, 06:00:44 PM »
have yet to enjoy any album i've heard from avantasia, so
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2020, 04:31:38 AM »
Ayreon has never grabbed me in any way, so it's an easy choice for me..
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2020, 08:20:37 AM »
Ayreon easily. Avantasia is just meh to me
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2020, 08:30:06 AM »
Quote from: Grappler on March 30, 2020, 12:23:30 PM
Avantasia, easily.  Better songs and ultimately a heavier band.

I like some Ayreon, but prefer Star One, since those two albums are more metal and song oriented, than Ayreon has turned out to be.  Ayreon really sounds too "spacey" to me, and the albums are just way too cumbersome to get through.

I wouldn't say I am a huge fan of Avantasia but agree with the above
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2020, 09:22:51 AM »
This was the thread that I posted about last year on Ayreon vs Avantasia

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=54567.msg2608083#msg2608083
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2020, 09:28:33 AM »
I'm not really a fan of either but if Ayreon has a song anywhere near as good as The Scarecrow I've yet to hear it.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2020, 09:34:20 AM »
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on March 31, 2020, 09:28:33 AM
I'm not really a fan of either but if Ayreon has a song anywhere near as good as The Scarecrow I've yet to hear it.

Apples and oranges, but try into the Black Hole with His Royal Badass Majesty, the Air Raid Siren Bruce Dickinson.
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2020, 09:36:22 AM »
Quote from: MirrorMask on March 31, 2020, 09:34:20 AM
Quote from: Buddyhunter1 on March 31, 2020, 09:28:33 AM
I'm not really a fan of either but if Ayreon has a song anywhere near as good as The Scarecrow I've yet to hear it.

Apples and oranges, but try into the Black Hole with His Royal Badass Majesty, the Air Raid Siren Bruce Dickinson.

Yup, got that in my last roulette and it's probably the best Ayreon song I've heard. But still not on the same level as The Scarecrow
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Re: Avantasia v. Ayreon: A Metal Opera throwdown
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2020, 09:49:55 AM »
Consider that when we had a big survivor tournament for Ayreon, that's the song that actually won. So if you don't consider the song that has been collectively declared as the best Ayreon song a good match up for The Scarecrow (but then again: what is?), I'd suggest to not make exploring Ayreon a top priority  :D
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