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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Progmetty on September 26, 2013, 02:14:26 PM
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Photos from the season premiere were released today (https://screencrush.com/the-walking-dead-season-4-premiere-photos-30-days-without-an-accident/). But beware the page also include brief episode synopsis for the first few episodes of the season.
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I picked up the season 3 bluray at Target yesterday as it was on sale.
17 days fellas!
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I can't wait for this season.
This scene especially....
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This is do or die for me. I think if Gimple can replicate the feeling of episodes like 'Clear' while fast tracking the series back on the rails towards an actual, cohesive storyline and simply follow the story of the comics a bit more, we could have a really great revitalization of this series. If not, I'll watch simply because it is still entertaining, but I'm losing a lot of the love for the show I once had after rewatching the series a couple weeks ago. They need to decide what they're doing with this show and do it before this season is over. Here's hoping; I'm still very much looking forward to the premier. Mainly because I know I won't hear Andrea's whiny voice for a single second...after the recap...
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I really hope the writing improves in this season. I really liked S1, but S2 and S3 were mostly really slow. I continued watching stupid as I am, hoping for the writing to improve, but with the exception of "Clear" (which was brilliant), most of it was just dull. I do like the general idea of the show (zombie-survival), but the writing is so painful that almost all characters are annoying.
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Nothing on the last episode made me excited for season 4 unfortunately. I will still watch though and hoping for some dramatic turn of events. (https://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x158/Davidsfans/smileys/smiley-cool14.gif)
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Ran across this. Has some cool tidbits.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/erinlarosa/15-awesome-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-walking-dead
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I really just hope the writing improves. I almost gave up on season 3 until "Clear" aired. And then I've been skeptical of the writing since then. IMHO, this is a make it or break it season in terms of the writing. It has just been getting more annoying with each episode throughout the second and third seasons (the second season especially).
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I really just hope the writing improves. I almost gave up on season 3 until "Clear" aired. And then I've been skeptical of the writing since then. IMHO, this is a make it or break it season in terms of the writing. It has just been getting more annoying with each episode throughout the second and third seasons (the second season especially).
Tis is where I'm at. Being caught up on the graphic novel now, I know for certain there is PLENTY of cool material to work from. I'm just not a fan of the 'pace' the TV show follows. I get it that they'd like to develop characters and what not but there are plenty of scenes/moments in the past season alone tht wee just a waste of time IMO.
I'm hoping Gimple is the ingredient that show was lacking given his track record on the few episodes he was responsible for. We shall see.
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Yeah, this season will be "make or break" for me. If the writing doesn't improve for the characters and the stories I won't keep watching.
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Anyone catch the season 4 webisodes yet? I thought they were pretty cool. It was a neat way to tie into the first season/episode of the series. It'd be interesting to see if that character finds his way into the 'real' show.....or maybe the spin-off that's due to hit in 2015.
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So since Netflix has Season 3 now, I really like it. :I
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gmillerdrake I thought a good deal of what makes the new webisodes good is that tie into the first season which you just gave away :lol, luckily I saw them before I saw your post.
I really liked the webisodes, the webisodes that preceded season 2 were cool too IMO.
I'm not liking the idea of a spin off yet.
The webisodes can be found here (https://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/the-walking-dead-webisodes-the-oath-part-1).
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Impress me this season please.
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gmillerdrake I thought a good deal of what makes the new webisodes good is that tie into the first season which you just gave away :lol, luckily I saw them before I saw your post.
I really liked the webisodes, the webisodes that preceded season 2 were cool too IMO.
I'm not liking the idea of a spin off yet.
The webisodes can be found here (https://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/the-walking-dead-webisodes-the-oath-part-1).
I guess I should have said 'Spoiler'..... :omg: Sorry if that ruined it, but I thought to myself, it's just a webisode.
Concerning the spin off, I hope they do something fresh with it. If they are just going to essentially take the same mold as far as 'a group on the run' then I'm not to interested. I'd like to see maybe a change in climate?, maybe follow a couple or loner?, or perhaps a military unit like the SEALS or a SWAT team that has stuck together. Whatever it is it needs to differ.
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I like your military unit idea but I still don't wanna see the spin-off until the run of the original show is over. It's hard to explain why, it just doesn't feel like the show is on solid ground enough to start donating ideas and attention to a different show, despite their huge success among non-snob fans; they still haven't found a consistent direction or track.
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I like your military unit idea but I still don't wanna see the spin-off until the run of the original show is over. It's hard to explain why, it just doesn't feel like the show is on solid ground enough to start donating ideas and attention to a different show, despite their huge success among non-snob fans; they still haven't found a consistent direction or track.
Impress me this season please.
I've enjoyed the show up,to this point.....but with that being said its been only on the strength of a dozen or so episodes throughout the series. I, like a lot a people I'm hearing/reading say.....am at a very 'make or break' moment with this season.
I'm not asking for all out action every second....but I can't stomach any more of the 'wasted, pointless' minutes in episodes. The writing has to start progressing this group/show.....there's just too much cool material to use as a foundation to meander through the series. Lets crank it up a notch shall we?
I'm hoping they close the Governor storyline off quickly. I'm going to get a bit ticked if they drag that on until mid season or so. That should be a two, at most three episode effort to end that phase of the story.
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One positive of the break in season 3 is that the wait for season 4 was short. However, I'm excited to watch but I'm not sure if this show will keep up with the momentum is had when season 3 started. I hope they can keep a good solid storyline this season that has a good ending to the season arc.
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Watching a daily episode of season 3 is much more enjoyable than watching it weekly when it first aired, I wish I could wait until season 4 is over to see it but I'm impatient and also I might not be able to escape spoilers for the entire duration of the season.
I was thinking about the spin off deal and thought one thing I would like to see is a daily account of the outbreak from the start and leading up to the main show, with the format being that each episode would show the events of a day, that would give them grounds for 3 or 4 seasons, I dunno if it might get old fast but it would be exciting to see IMO.
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Watching a daily episode of season 3 is much more enjoyable than watching it weekly when it first aired, I wish I could wait until season 4 is over to see it but I'm impatient and also I might not be able to escape spoilers for the entire duration of the season.
I was thinking about the spin off deal and thought one thing I would like to see is a daily account of the outbreak from the start and leading up to the main show, with the format being that each episode would show the events of a day, that would give them grounds for 3 or 4 seasons, I dunno if it might get old fast but it would be exciting to see IMO.
Something that would be neat is to see who was 'Walker #1' and maybe spend an episode showing how it snowballed out of control.
My brothers theory was that the camera shot that led the series off of the Crow snacking on something dead in the street was a 'sign' of sorts stating the entire thing was bird born.
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Just subscribing to the thread, pay no attention to the man behind the green figure curtain.
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My brothers theory was that the camera shot that led the series off of the Crow snacking on something dead in the street was a 'sign' of sorts stating the entire thing was bird born.
I don't think the writers put that much thought into it.
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People who want to know how the zombies came to be are watching it wrong. This is not suppose to be a show/comics about zombies, it's a drama with a zombie apocalypse backdrop.
Time and again (in the comics) it's been showed that the zombies are the least of the worries, the other humans are much more of a threat.
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Has the comic introduced cannibalism?
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Yep!
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That's some scary shit when the living are trying to eat you too.
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Yep!
Spoilers, dude.
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People who want to know how the zombies came to be are watching it wrong. This is not suppose to be a show/comics about zombies, it's a drama with a zombie apocalypse backdrop.
Time and again (in the comics) it's been showed that the zombies are the least of the worries, the other humans are much more of a threat.
That's what I like most about both the show and comic...that zombies are just secondary fodder. The human element is what drives both...which is why this season is a telling season on whether or not Gimple and Co. can consistently give us well written episodes that allow each character to shine. It's been too sporadic in the first three seasons.
But, I still wouldn't mind knowing the genesis of how the zombies were born.
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It would be cool to see how the zombies were born but that may be a story for another web series. I really can't see how they would make the history of the first walker play into the story of the series, unless it's like an opening scene or something and that probably wouldn't be enough to show the start of things, or maybe it would.
And while I agree that the people in the series are what drives it, the walkers are still the problem. Perhaps not the most physically dangerous or intelligent enemy but they're still the reason everything is happening.
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From what I understand, Kirkman doesn't really have an answer for that. But from the what the CDC guy told Rick, I think it's safe to assume it was some kind of virus, maybe something the government tried to weaponize (a la Captain Tripps from The Stand) that went awry.
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I'm thinking the lady Rick's following is a cannibal
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I liked the first episode. It was a glimpse at how things 'could' begin to work if you start to gather numbers together. I like the aspects from the comic they infused as far as the council and even Rick/Daryl recruiting and finding people to bring in.
Watching the Talking Dead afterward and having Gimple explain the purpose behind such a 'tame' episode more or less makes sense and it'll be interesting to see how the season progresses.
I'm curious as to if now the virus is somehow air born and can infect people...on why/how that kid contracted the new strand so to speak that kills you without being bit or you just dying. Kind of ruins that whole 'safe behind the fence' feeling.
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He could have just gotten sick and died from an illness left untreated. But I saw a lot of blood and suspect a stray zombie somehow got him.
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He could have just gotten sick and died from an illness left untreated. But I saw a lot of blood and suspect a stray zombie somehow got him.
I think the two scenes they dedicated to Rick singling out the zombie with two missing eyes is tied to that kids death as well. Like that zombie died of the same thing. It's like a new 'breed' of zombie. They arely focus the attention on one particular zombie unless there is something more to it. And the way Rick noticed that zombie was almost as if he knew it was 'out of place', like he had that cop 'hunch'
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I have very mixed feelings about last night's episode. Part of me really hated it. There were some moments where the script made me want to puke, and I felt the acting was terrible. But then there were other times (like Rick talking with the bitch in the forest) where I was on the edge of my seat ready to have an anxiety attack.
Talking points because I'm in a hurry;
1) The scene with the raining walkers was completely lame. Those walkers were probably doing laps up there for weeks. Why all of a sudden does the roof start caving in all over the place?
2) That kid that was with Hershel's daughter in the beginning, the one that got eaten... Yeah, him getting eaten was hard to watch and painful.
3) I genuinely felt bad for the lady in the woods.
4) The bloody eye zombie definitely has a connection to the dead nerd.
5) Speaking of the dead nerd, I know I've seen him before and I can't.... WAIT!!! EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS (I think, lol).
6) Carl became a major bitch. Man up and tap Hershel's daughter, he won't even have to say bye when he's finished.
7) Is Michonne on a come and go basis? Or is she still in the prison, but just leaves while she tries to find the governor?
8) Is Rick fucking nuts walking around outside the fence without a gun?
9) There are now two black males on the show. Tyrese and and that other guy who was a medic in the military. Given The Walking Dead's history, which one of them goes first??
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Pretty sure the actor who played "kid who got eaten that might have been tapping Hershel's daughter" only wanted to be on the show to get killed. He's been in several movies including horror.
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I really enjoyed the first episode. And I must admit, I kinda giggled when that walker was hanging under the ceiling.
Thinking about that scene makes me remember a rather special scene from the Hannibal-movie, when he's in Florence.
Allready looking forward to the next episodes, and the rest of the season as well. :tup
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I was a bit underwhelmed by last night's episode, but next week might be a good one I think
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I was a bit underwhelmed by last night's episode, but next week might be a good one I think
I'm going to trust Gimples explanation on the Talking Dead that last nights episode was needed to lay the groundwork for the stories he's going to tell this season. And, it really wasn't that bad an episode.
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"It's raining dead. Hallelujah!"
I don't trust the relaxed banter with the group. It feels like a setup to heartbreak. :)
I'm intrigued enough to watch next week so, so far so good. :tup
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Yeah, not a bad episode at all, more of a set-up episode, but they revealed a few interesting threads, at least.
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I don't trust the relaxed banter with the group. It feels like a setup to heartbreak. :)
I think that was Gimples point. To show us that at least for 6-7 months the group had a 'break from bad things'. It's pretty easy to see the entire lesson from that episode is exactly what the crazy lady in the woods told Rick. There is no coming back from what that world is and does to you. The temporary safety and security they've had at the prison is just that, temporary. You can't escape that world outside the walls.....maybe hold it off for a bit but as we can see with the 'new breed' of eye bleeding walkers, that world is like a virus....it'll find a way to circumvent all defenses.
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D'Angelo Barksdale in da house!! Surprised to see him, hopefully he'll stick around for a few episodes atleast.
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16.1 Million viewers for the Season opener! :omg: that's 5 million more than Breaking Bads series finale. The Talking Dead drew 5.1 Million viewers.
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Why was Carl so upset when he walked in on Carlol doing the knife demonstration?
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Why was Carl so upset when he walked in on Carlol doing the knife demonstration?
Maybe it was to show how close he and Rick have become now, that upon discovering secrets are being kept from his Dad by someone who he and his dad are close with.....made him upset?
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Why was Carl so upset when he walked in on Carlol doing the knife demonstration?
Maybe it was to show how close he and Rick have become now, that upon discovering secrets are being kept from his Dad by someone who he and his dad are close with.....made him upset?
Carl used to deceive his mother about guns all the time. Hypocritical little shit.
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This is exactly what I thought this episode would be: an episode that would only serve as a way to set-up the upcoming season while trying to show what they have been doing since the last time we have seen them. A good episode, especially for what they were trying to do with it.
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I still want to know where all the poo goes.
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I still want to know where all the poo goes.
What about lady time of the month? :(
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I still want to know where all the poo goes.
Do you really need a scene of them carrying buckets of shit to a dump area?
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I still want to know where all the poo goes.
Do you really need a scene of them carrying buckets of shit to a dump area?
But what if they're faking their pooping to thicken the plot? What then?
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16.1 Million viewers for the Season opener! :omg: that's 5 million more than Breaking Bads series finale. The Talking Dead drew 5.1 Million viewers.
That's just fucking incredible. Wow. AMC must be mad-house right now.
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16.1 Million viewers for the Season opener! :omg: that's 5 million more than Breaking Bads series finale. The Talking Dead drew 5.1 Million viewers.
That's just fucking incredible. Wow. AMC must be mad-house right now.
You'd think they could then afford to give us a two hour season premier and then subsequent season finale. That's my major gripe with TWD. Most other series give you those bonus couple hours to start and finish the season.
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We had a slightly longer season 2 premiere didn't we?
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We had a slightly longer season 2 premiere didn't we?
To be honest I don't recall. I know in recent memory (last season) it's been hour episodes to start and finish. I'd like to see season openers, mid season finales and season Enders be two hours. But I'm sure there's a reason why they don't do it.
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They probably spend a butt load on Andrew Lincoln's accent training.
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They probably spend a butt load on Andrew Lincoln's accent training.
Or Norman Reedus's black hair dye. Daryl had some black locks in last night episode. Not his dirty brown locks of old. He was all 'did' up.
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We had a slightly longer season 2 premiere didn't we?
To be honest I don't recall. I know in recent memory (last season) it's been hour episodes to start and finish. I'd like to see season openers, mid season finales and season Enders be two hours. But I'm sure there's a reason why they don't do it.
AMC is cheap as shit, that's why. ;)
Good opening episode I thought. Yeah, it's mostly set-up, but season premiers usually are and it was a big step up over season 3's giant pile of suck finale so I'll give it credit for that. It was also more enjoyable than Homeland.
I'm glad that the show is venturing entirely outside of the comic book realm and now it can be judged not as it compares to the original but on its own terms.
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Like some of you have pointed out it was a pretty good set up episode, but not a very good season opener. Had this episode aired in the middle of the season or something it would have been pretty monumental. Now it was fine, but didn't quite deliver the punch in the face I usually look for in season openers.
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Thinking about the way they made the point of the kids 'naming' the Walkers and how they view them leads me to believe its a kid feeding them. Like a pet.
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Thinking about the way they made the point of the kids 'naming' the Walkers and how they view them leads me to believe its a kid feeding them. Like a pet.
That part really pissed me off. I thought the speech Rick gave Carl about naming the pigs was really forced and incredibly lame. Hearing Carl giving the same speech to the kids made me want to vomit.
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet, and speaking of pigs. I'm guessing that there is a link between the dead kid, the dead pig, and the bleeding-eye walker.
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Thinking about the way they made the point of the kids 'naming' the Walkers and how they view them leads me to believe its a kid feeding them. Like a pet.
That part really pissed me off. I thought the speech Rick gave Carl about naming the pigs was really forced and incredibly lame. Hearing Carl giving the same speech to the kids made me want to vomit.
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet, and speaking of pigs. I'm guessing that there is a link between the dead kid, the dead pig, and the bleeding-eye walker.
I think the two scenes they dedicated to Rick singling out the zombie with two missing eyes is tied to that kids death as well. Like that zombie died of the same thing. It's like a new 'breed' of zombie. They arely focus the attention on one particular zombie unless there is something more to it. And the way Rick noticed that zombie was almost as if he knew it was 'out of place', like he had that cop 'hunch'
And you're right, the dead pig would seem to have to be tied in to it all as well. Just too much attention paid to all three that episode (blood eyed walker/dead Violet/dead 'nerd')
Maybe it's a nod back to the "original" cause of Walkerdom. First season a lot was made of getting a fever and being sick.....then turning. It was believed to be transmitted by being bit but now knowing their all infected maybe the zombie virus has found a way to manifest itself in 'healthy' bodies?
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Thinking about the way they made the point of the kids 'naming' the Walkers and how they view them leads me to believe its a kid feeding them. Like a pet.
That part really pissed me off. I thought the speech Rick gave Carl about naming the pigs was really forced and incredibly lame. Hearing Carl giving the same speech to the kids made me want to vomit.
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet, and speaking of pigs. I'm guessing that there is a link between the dead kid, the dead pig, and the bleeding-eye walker.
I think the two scenes they dedicated to Rick singling out the zombie with two missing eyes is tied to that kids death as well. Like that zombie died of the same thing. It's like a new 'breed' of zombie. They arely focus the attention on one particular zombie unless there is something more to it. And the way Rick noticed that zombie was almost as if he knew it was 'out of place', like he had that cop 'hunch'
And you're right, the dead pig would seem to have to be tied in to it all as well. Just too much attention paid to all three that episode (blood eyed walker/dead Violet/dead 'nerd')
Maybe it's a nod back to the "original" cause of Walkerdom. First season a lot was made of getting a fever and being sick.....then turning. It was believed to be transmitted by being bit but now knowing their all infected maybe the zombie virus has found a way to manifest itself in 'healthy' bodies?
I was thinking that maybe because everyone has it in relatively small amounts, their immune system is able to keep it in check. When you die, your immune system no longer fights it. If you are bitten, maybe the direct injection of more of the virus overpowers the immune system. Rick made the water comment about the garden. Maybe that's finally catching up. The pig died from the feed it was being given, and maybe the kid died from drinking copious amounts of infected water in the shower.
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I dunno if it's my TV but I couldn't make out most of what the woman in the woods was saying, but I kinda gather her story now from reading this thread, I'll watch her scenes again tonight. Awful actress though, the kinda guest star Joss Whedon would use for a TV show.
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I thoroughly liked the first episode! I liked the community at peace for once. It gives the fans a believable breather. I would imagine that life can get mundane and routine even in the zombie apocolypse. But, it makes for good story telling , because their guard is now down and as humans get comfortable and forgetful over time, and they still think the zombies are the main threat and that they can manage with that threat. BUT, it is the new unforeseen threat that will shake things up. they have 15 episodes to come this season and I for one cannot wait!
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Honest Trailers: The Walking Dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxvo8AcpQQ
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I enjoyed the symbolism tied to Rick in this episode. The discarding of the farmer gloves as he ran in to help. The burning of the pig pen and clothing....sure for sanitary reasons but it also was a symbol of him surrendering to the inevitability of him 'returning to duty'
I like how close he and Carl are now apparently due to him spending the 6-7 months dedicating himself to just being a dad.
The scene with Michonne and Judith really implies she lost a child. That was a powerful scene.
I'm just curious as to how they'll know their 'safe' from the bug? When folks stop bursting from the eyes I guess?
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I am thoroughly enjoying this season thus far! Second episode was absolutely beautiful. I love the simple homages to the comics in certain scenes. They're still making it their own, but the slow direction towards the comic storyline is very reassuring. Scott Gimple is a great fit, I think, as the showrunner. I still have my reservations and doubts, but I really enjoyed the tense set-up that episode one provided, and this most recent episode delivered in every way on that time-bomb. I said in the past I was hopeful for this season, and I'm only getting even more hopeful. Expectations in check still, however...this show was on its last breathe...but perhaps...it has reanimated....*GASP*
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Haven't watched the second episode yet (it's still sitting on my DVR), but from what I heard, there are a few head-scratching moments. I guess I'll way in when I see the episode myself later today.
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I liked the second episode a lot, looking forward to this season.
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I liked the first episode of this season, but didn't love it, this second one however was fantastic. A lot of great emotional moments from much of the cast. And even though what that "dad" who was bitten in the neck said at the end was rather cheesy I was actually impressed with the child actors in that scene, and when the dad had died the scene turned into one of my favorite scenes of the episode.
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The things that "bother" me most about the show are rarely the 'actual show' but just noticing things i think that i would do in that circumstance. Like, why don't they have a row or two of the wooden stake barricades lining the outside fence line? You'd think they'd have done a bit more in the 6-7 months to strengthen that?
I liked the first episode of this season, but didn't love it, this second one however was fantastic. A lot of great emotional moments from much of the cast. And even though what that "dad" who was bitten in the neck said at the end was rather cheesy I was actually impressed with the child actors in that scene, and when the dad had died the scene turned into one of my favorite scenes of the episode.
That scene was intense.....made more intense by a newly hardened and rather blunt Carol who was trying to force a 12 year old kid who just lost her dad to shove a knife into his head....while looking right at him! Carol's character has definitely changed and evolved from season 1.
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A few good scenes and definitely a step in the right direction concerning the writing. Keep it up, TWD.
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Just saw the second episode, pretty good. I hope the whole story with feeding the walker rats and burning the sick bodies doesn't turn into a prolonged whodunit thing.
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Just saw the second episode, pretty good. I hope the whole story with feeding the walker rats and burning the sick bodies doesn't turn into a prolonged whodunit thing.
I still think the older daughter is/was the one feeding them. As far as who burnt the bodies.....judging from the cells they were in it looked like they had turned already so why wouldn't you burn them? Not sure if when they do reveal it'd be a main character though......probably the new 'black' guy they took with them on the store run.
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Are they really gonna spend 1 more season on that prison?
Am I the only one being a bit annoyed with everyone starting relationships during a zombie apocalypse? Yea I mean love makes you stronger and keep you human and bla bla bla...again it's a zombie apocalypse and I feel like it's only a easy way for the writer's to have the audience feel more connected to certain characters by having something they can lose. Now they have characters that you somewhat care about which they can kill off in a second without killing the main cast.
Plz kill off Maggie or Glenn because a more cheesy "we must show on screen that we can't lose eachother because we are so in love" acting is just horrible to watch. Just do it, it can be a quick and non painful process I don't care although I would prefer the opposite and have the other watch the whole process. #IMNOTASADIST
Pretty good show other than that.
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Am I the only one being a bit annoyed with everyone starting relationships during a zombie apocalypse?
It seems rather natural to me that people would be "pairing off" in this kind of situation. I don't understand why it upsets you.
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I agree that there should be less of the sappy Maggie/Glenn scenes.
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Am I the only one being a bit annoyed with everyone starting relationships during a zombie apocalypse?
It seems rather natural to me that people would be "pairing off" in this kind of situation. I don't understand why it upsets you.
Well I wouldn't call a zombie apocalypse a natural thing but then again i'm not well informed on how people react during a zombie apocalypse or a apocalypse in general. Maybe you do feel the urge for sexy time between the zombie attacks.
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Yeah, I think you know what I meant, but maybe you don't. If you don't then I'm not wasting my time arguing.
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Yeah, I think you know what I meant, but maybe you don't. If you don't then I'm not wasting my time arguing.
Who said we're arguing? It's all good. :) Love have a weird way of showing it self during difficult times, we all know that. If you read my original post further you may find why I don't find those things believable in the show.
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I can't wait because SPOILER ALERT
Someone gets eaten by zombies.
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I can't wait because SPOILER ALERT
Someone gets eaten by zombies.
(https://www.taylorswift.cc/public/style_emoticons/default/excited.gif)
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We watched the second episode last night and loved it. I thought Mishonne's scene with the baby was the most heart wrenching and gave us an important clue into her unspoken past. Very good visual story-telling right there.
I've never thought the scenes with Glen and Maggie are annoying at all. In many ways their story is the most terrifying but you'd almost need to be in a committed, long-term, loving relationship to understand the horror. Nothing catches my heart in my throat faster than the thought of something terrible happening with Mrs. P or our children. It's easy for me to empathize with the young lovers when they worry about each other or possibly getting pregnant. We saw how well that worked out for Rick's wife...hmmm?
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I'm also liking how Rick and Carl are now back to being close. If they stick even loosely to the comic relationship between them....that's important that they are close like that.
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I'm also liking how Rick and Carl are now back to being close. If they stick even loosely to the comic relationship between them....that's important that they are close like that.
I've never read the comics so I thought I'd try and find a plot synopsis to see what you are referencing and wound up on Wikipedia. :omg: If the TV show had followed the comics closer after season one there would have been a huge public outcry over the themes presented but, wow, what an opportunity for drama!
And no Daryl? How could this be? :lol
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I'm also liking how Rick and Carl are now back to being close. If they stick even loosely to the comic relationship between them....that's important that they are close like that.
I've never read the comics so I thought I'd try and find a plot synopsis to see what you are referencing and wound up on Wikipedia. :omg: If the TV show had followed the comics closer after season one there would have been a huge public outcry over the themes presented but, wow, what an opportunity for drama!
And no Daryl? How could this be? :lol
Yeah, it's safe to assume the comics are merely a very loose footprint to the TV show. Which I enjoy. Even the conflict with the Governor and Woodbury has been altered.
I had never read a comic....picked up the two Walking Dead compendiums and subsequent releases and read them in a couple weeks. Very neat, very cool story...but definitely different than the show.
I hope they keep some elements the same but really don't mind the deviation.
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Yeah, I think you know what I meant, but maybe you don't. If you don't then I'm not wasting my time arguing.
Who said we're arguing? It's all good. :) Love have a weird way of showing it self during difficult times, we all know that. If you read my original post further you may find why I don't find those things believable in the show.
OK, here's my point. The urge or need to breed is a part of our DNA. In this situation you have two people in the prime of their lives who are of the opposite sex and attracted to one another. Eventually, someone is going to get a dick put into them. I honestly would be much more surprised if there wasn't some sex going on here and there on the show. Also, if you consider the fact that for several months leading up to the season opener things had been fairly quiet and stable, then there's that much more of a reason to think that people would get back around to having sex and relationships.
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Eventually, someone is going to get a dick put into them.
:lol
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What I was wondering was when all the zombies start to over run the fence, why isn't the first thing to take the truck out and just draw the zombies away with noise and distraction so the rest of the people can slowly stab the rest in the face? This bothered me a lot for some reason. I also would have thought by now that they would have a well built truck to run over zombies.
Also, like in the book World War Z, where are the large piles of dead zombies near the fence?
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What I was wondering was when all the zombies start to over run the fence, why isn't the first thing to take the truck out and just draw the zombies away with noise and distraction so the rest of the people can slowly stab the rest in the face? This bothered me a lot for some reason. I also would have thought by now that they would have a well built truck to run over zombies.
Also, like in the book World War Z, where are the large piles of dead zombies near the fence?
I really didn't like the second episode, and this is one of the main reasons why. Fuck. I could have eaten one of those bacon seeds in about four minutes, a hoard of zombies probably didn't even taste it. They would have gone right back to the fence in no time. I don't get why they don't have those spear traps around the entire perimeter. Also, why haven't they raided Woodbury of all those huge machine guns they had?
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It was fairly easy IMO with the way they structured the episode and the dialogue between characters to figure out Carol killed those two...even before she admitted it to Rick. I think they gave just enough clues to where when Rick 'figured it out' while investigating the audience should have as well.
All in all it was an OK episode.....easily the weakest one so far this season and really once I learned Kirkman wrote this episode it I lowered my expectations. I know he created the comics and all but his television writing isn't really impressive to me.
I am glad to see that Rick and Carl for that matter appear to be coming out of their sabbatical of reflection and are returning to form.
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I still think the premiere has been the weakest of the season so far
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The writing is getting worse on this show. Watching the show becomes a chore at some points, because I find myself bored and not interested in what's going on.
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The writing is getting worse on this show. Watching the show becomes a chore at some points, because I find myself bored and not interested in what's going on.
I feel like I'm being taken advantage of by AMC. The potential for awesomeness is unlimited, yet for some reason you can sense them milking these episodes and dragging it on and on.
I understand the desire to 'develop' characters/storylines but at the same time IMO they still waste a good 10-15 minutes per episode on utter crap that is senseless and useless to the story. Those scenes with Maggie and her sister last night are just one example. Utter waste of time.
I like the show.....I do. And, I've been very patient with it over the first three seasons and really looked forward to Gimples input and vision. I really hope that (1) there are no more Kirkman written episodes even though I'm sure there are and (2) last nights episode was just a fluke and they get back to more interesting things.....heck, at this point I'd take more. Governor conflict. I'm already tired of the flu and family sit downs.
SPOILER: For you comic book readers
Having read the comics and knowing that Abraham is due to make an appearance soon...and he's been confirmed for the season, I'm betting the car transmission has something to do with Abraham and his crew.
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I really hate Tyrese's character, and I knew Carol burned those bodies before the fist flying even when down. You can tell she's starting to lose her cool. I realized last night that Hershel never actually talks this anyone. All of his lines are speeches or lessons.
I really hope this flu problem goes away soon. If it goes past the fourth episode, I'm going to be pretty upset. I'm all for character development, but I like faster developing stories more. I like Glenn as a character, and as I watched last night I said "I'm truly surprised that Glenn has made it this long" just before we found out he is sick. However, the scenes between Glenn and Maggie get really annoying. I can't put my finger on it, but maybe it's because they offer no excitement.
Thinking Points so far this season:
- I hate and like Carl. I'm having trouble deciding which.
- I can't imagine Hershel making it through the season.
- There are only five original cast members left. Are we going to lose another?
- I think Carol isn't going to make it, but there is already a lack of female characters.
- I like that Beth is becoming more of a key player... indicating that Hershel could be going soon.
- I'm really curious about all the children that have been shown in passing. What's going to happen to all of them? They can't all become parts of the cast, but I can't imagine we'll see all of them get offed.
- I don't understand why all the sick people are getting locked in an open room with each other. The group leaders are well aware that it kills people, once one dies, they are all fucked. Why not lock them in pairs in a cell?
- At first, I didn't like the tame version of Rick and Carl, I still don't believe it, but regardless, I like the fact they are coming back over to the offensive side.
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I'm not a fan of how they've handled Tyreese's character on the show as well....nothing like comic book Tyreese. Even he and Ricks relationship is vastly different than the comic book relationship. He's just a whiny, wussified sissy bit%h on the show. Maybe the car scene last episode was a turning point for his character. But to this point he's been a major disappointment.
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I'm getting caught up with the episodes (watching last Sunday's right now) but I wonder: Why didn't Hershel looked after the pigs when they showed signs of sickness? Don't tell me the writers, conveniently, forgot he's a VETERINARIAN? Also, they've turned Carol into comic book-Andrea, which is good.
And like gmiller said the handling of Tyreese has been not satisfactory when compared to it's comic book counterpart. I shouldn't be surprise after what they did to Andrea though. And it's so funny how they brought in all those people from Woodbury just to make them zombie fodder. :lol
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Yeah I'm...not liking where this is going. God damn it. I had and still have faith in Gimple, but if he's just going to do the same thing as the others, he's just as screwed; meaning this show is dead. Probably for good. They had better be using this as a catalyst to get OUT of the prison and move the story forward instead of creating a new story arc for how they can 'rebuild' and blah fucking blah... Ugh. I really was enjoying this season til this episode. Granted, if this was a beginning arc to get the story moving and to 'cleanse', that'd be awesome, which is a possibility. Gimple wrote my favorite episodes from S3, and a few from past seasons; he's clearly not a one-trick pony and can do this, but it's whether he can direct the entire project and move things towards a very far-off conclusion in a straight line instead of this fuckin' infinite loop-de-loop we've been doing for the past season and a half.
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I'm getting caught up with the episodes (watching last Sunday's right now) but I wonder: Why didn't Hershel looked after the pigs when they showed signs of sickness? Don't tell me the writers, conveniently, forgot he's a VETERINARIAN? Also, they've turned Carol into comic book-Andrea, which is good.
You know....that is a good observation. That does appear to be what they've done.
Concerning the sick pigs and Hershel....I think on 'The Talking Dead' they pointed out the sequence of events where Rick never really had the opportunity to tell Hershel about the pigs being sick until he did on the show....when they killed the turned people.
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So we're to believe Hershel never went close to where they were? I just can't believe that he would be completely oblivious about their health, it would be retarded. And so Rick didn't have time, but Carl saw it too, neither thought it would be a good idea to tell the veterinarian?
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So we're to believe Hershel never went close to where they were? I just can't believe that he would be completely oblivious about their health, it would be retarded. And so Rick didn't have time, but Carl saw it too, neither thought it would be a good idea to tell the veterinarian?
I understand your point completely. And it's the small things like that which could be more accurate. But the 'official' position was that there was just never the time to do so.
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Was someone else a bit creeped out by Beth's "we've all got jobs to do" speeches? There was a tiny hint of disturbance in there somewhere.
Also, for some reason I didn't believe Carol when she said she was the one who killed those people.
And holy shit that's a lot of zombies.
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The Walking Dead was renewed for a fifth season, which is the complete opposite of a surprise.
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The Walking Dead was renewed for a fifth season, which is the complete opposite of a surprise.
Awesome! Hopefully in that finale they will leave the prison.
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So we're to believe Hershel never went close to where they were? I just can't believe that he would be completely oblivious about their health, it would be retarded. And so Rick didn't have time, but Carl saw it too, neither thought it would be a good idea to tell the veterinarian?
I understand your point completely. And it's the small things like that which could be more accurate. But the 'official' position was that there was just never the time to do so.
Small things like this bother me. I can't accept the "never time to do so" excuse. If that's the case, do a different story.
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So we're to believe Hershel never went close to where they were? I just can't believe that he would be completely oblivious about their health, it would be retarded. And so Rick didn't have time, but Carl saw it too, neither thought it would be a good idea to tell the veterinarian?
I understand your point completely. And it's the small things like that which could be more accurate. But the 'official' position was that there was just never the time to do so.
Small things like this bother me. I can't accept the "never time to do so" excuse. If that's the case, do a different story.
I mean, they did it with Rick. Tyrese says "hey, weren't you a cop? Find out who did this!", when those two were found burnt. And Rick did. Not that I'm trying to outright defend them overlooking the fact Hershel was a vet and there were sick pigs....but as far as Rick goes, he does have a history of keeping secrets and just trying to figure it all out on his own. Still doesn't explain Carl not mentioning it...unless you buy the position of an opportunity never presented itself.
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Also not a big fan of the direction the show is going in, but with what we know so far I think it's going to get better. Was anybody disappointed with how they did Tyreese's climactic scene this week? It's a bigger cliffhanger in the comic and it also made Tyreese look way more badass than with how they did it in the show. Also disappointed with Carol being revealed as the murderer. Really loved what they were doing with her, but imo, that event just doesn't mesh well, especially since, as was mentioned, she's pretty much been what Andrea was in the comics. But, she is supposed to be alive past the mid-season finale, so I'm curious to see what the dynamic between her and Tyreese will be. My friend has a really interesting theory that the older of the two little girls might have something to do with the murders and that Carol is just taking the fall. Depending on how this all plays out, the little girls could very well be a version of Ben and Billy, but I am a little doubtful of that idea. If it's so, I don't think Carl will be involved since him killing that kid in the season 3 finale served the purpose that Ben and Billy did in the comics.
Apparently, most of the main cast has been spotted filming for the next half of the season. Who I noticed hasn't been mentioned? Scott Wilson. I would be really disappointed if they killed off Hershel before the Hunters arc considering he's basically become Dale (which is great imo, the TV version of Hershel as of Season 3 is one of my favorite characters). Seriously if any main character is going to die of this flu shit, it should be Glenn. Would be really interesting to explore how the other characters would deal with that, and without Glenn, it would make Negan's introduction way more terrifying and intense even for comic fans, but since Steven Yeun has been spotted in Georgia still filming, doesn't look like that will happen. (I do have this theory that even if Glenn is still alive when they get to that scene, somebody else is getting Lucille'd... Daryl would be pretty shocking, and I bet Norman Reedus would be down with his character going out like that)
Can't find any info on it, but I've been told that the Ultimate Fan Game trivia shit accidentally spoiled the radio message that the supply group received in the last episode. Not sure of the specifics, but it looks like they changed the name of the Alexandria Safe Zone to "Terminus" (or are altering the Safe Zone altogether) and that is the source of the transmission. Wondering if they're just going to skip the Hunters arc altogether and how they're going to introduce the Safe Zone. Especially with Ford's group popping up some time this season, it really does look like the prison is fucked this season, which sounds like it will be a relief to many of the posters in this thread lol.
EDIT: I sure as hell couldn't hear anything that the people on the radio were saying, but in the official summary on AMC's site...
On the road, Daryl fiddles with the car radio and hears a woman's voice. "Keep alive," it says. Then "sanctuary" and "Terminus."
https://www.amctv.com/shows/the-walking-dead/episodes/season-4/isolation
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emblempride: I agree I felt short changed on Tyrese's scene on Sunday when compared to the inspiration from the comic. But, I still think it worked for the television show. I mean, when they left him at the car he was surrounded by Walkers and for him to make it out and reunite with the group was pretty cool.
And just so you know in case you don't....if you want to talk spoilers or what happened in the comic what's been done in the past in this thread is just changing those spoilers and stuff to a very tiny font. Those of us who'd want to read it could then just quote it or zoom to read it.
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Yeah, I kinda dig it, but 7500 zombies and none of them notice the guy in the car? I like that they still covered him in blood n stuff at least lol.
My bad, fixed up that one bit. Figured everything I mentioned pertaining to the comics is at least a year old.
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Yeah, I kinda dig it, but 7500 zombies and none of them notice the guy in the car? I like that they still covered him in blood n stuff at least lol.
My bad, fixed up that one bit. Figured everything I mentioned pertaining to the comics is at least a year old.
I think a large percentage of the posters in this thread have read the comics....so it's not a big deal. But it's the 'right' thing to do in case.
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I havn't read the comics and I have no idea what he was talking about. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing lol....
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I've only read the comics up until the governor lashes out at his daughter for knocking over the bucket of body parts. There were too many parallels between the comics and the show, even though there are many differences.
I'll read them all one day.
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Finally got around to watching Sunday's episode. The final innings of the WS were boring so I flipped on the DVR to catch up on viewing I'd been missing.
I liked it enough to watch next week. There were some good scenes and I thought the actress who plays Carol is doing a wonderful job of slowly going insane. :lol
They do need to pickup the pace a bit though and while I don't typically pick apart everything in the shows I watch there are some head scratching moments if you think too much. And maybe that's the problem with The Walking Dead and it's eventual longevity. They don't encourage thinking. The plots are, number one, a vehicle for drama and character interaction--which given the subject matter, is a really cool idea. But, I don't think the writers give more than a passing thought to logic and continuity which will completely turn off certain members of their target audience. Perhaps a very large portion eventually. Perhaps even me.
I'm looking forward to seeing how much of a beast is unleashed in Tyrese.
If you read that right, it should have rhymed.
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But if Glenn dies of this flu then... then... Negan
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But if Glenn dies of this flu then... then... Negan
I can't wait to see who they cast as him.
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I've been thinking (weird, I know)
Is it possible that Carol indeed dragged the two bodies out in the courtyard and burned them to cover for the little girl who was the actual killer? She may feel guilt/responsible for encouraging the children learn the brain-stab method and for giving them knives as seen in episode one. So when Rick asked her if she did it she just responded with the affirmative. The scene where Carol admits the young girl into the sick block implies that there is more going on with those two than we've seen first hand.
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I've been thinking (weird, I know)
Is it possible that Carol indeed dragged the two bodies out in the courtyard and burned them to cover for the little girl who was the actual killer? She may feel guilt/responsible for encouraging the children learn the brain-stab method and for giving them knives as seen in episode one. So when Rick asked her if she did it she just responded with the affirmative. The scene where Carol admits the young girl into the sick block implies that there is more going on with those two than we've seen first hand.
Sure it's possible because it does appear that there is something going on with that older girl Carol inherited....be it she's the one been feeding the walkers or they are setting her up to be, as mentioned earlier, the TV version of some comic book characters that played a small yet significant role in the comics.
But I really think Carol killed those people because of what Rick implied right before he asked her. She'd do anything to protect the overall group....and if that world has done anything it's shown that any type of sentiment or 'feelings' that you allow to order your steps is usually exploited by that world....for the worse.
She killed them IMO...that is that. The interesting thing will be is when Daryl finds out to see how he reacts. I honestly don't think it was all that bad considering they were essentially dead anyway, I understand 'why' she did it and would most likely have supported something similar.
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But I really think Carol killed those people because of what Rick implied right before he asked her. She'd do anything to protect the overall group....and if that world has done anything it's shown that any type of sentiment or 'feelings' that you allow to order your steps is usually exploited by that world....for the worse.
That exact statement is what made me believe she is covering for someone..
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But I really think Carol killed those people because of what Rick implied right before he asked her. She'd do anything to protect the overall group....and if that world has done anything it's shown that any type of sentiment or 'feelings' that you allow to order your steps is usually exploited by that world....for the worse.
That exact statement is what made me believe she is covering for someone..
Hmmmm. Interesting? I guess without seeing how her relationship developed with the sisters I'm suspect of just how much she cares about them....like would she even cover for them. But maybe having lost a daughter she is super attached. Or, maybe she's covering for Carl?
I have a sneaking suspicion that after Hershel's speech and all that either Rick and Maggie or Daryl's group will succeed in obtaining the meds needed to help everyone....but Hershel will still succumb to the flu.
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One of the girls feeding the walkers seems like a pretty legitimate assumption and rather likely. This whole time, I've been trying to figure out why someone in the prison would willingly be attracting zombies. Having a young child do it would be more believable (at least for now). I still don't trust that new black guy (I don't know his name, everyone knows who I am talking about, and I'm not being racist), but I can't imagine why he'd be the one attracting them. I could see him being the killer, but that's about it.
Regarding the two burned corpses, were they killed before they died from their sickness? If so, that completely rules the girls out.
Side bar:
Interesting thing I noticed while re-watching the second episode. Everyone in D-Block slept with their cell door open. In C-Block, Rick and Carl were the only ones who didn't sleep with their door shut.
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One of the girls feeding the walkers seems like a pretty legitimate assumption and rather likely. This whole time, I've been trying to figure out why someone in the prison would willingly be attracting zombies. Having a young child do it would be more believable (at least for now). I still don't trust that new black guy (I don't know his name, everyone knows who I am talking about, and I'm not being racist), but I can't imagine why he'd be the one attracting them. I could see him being the killer, but that's about it.
Regarding the two burned corpses, were they killed before they died from their sickness? If so, that completely rules the girls out.
Side bar:
Interesting thing I noticed while re-watching the second episode. Everyone in D-Block slept with their cell door open. In C-Block, Rick and Carl were the only ones who didn't sleep with their door shut.
I agree about the new black character. There's just something 'off' about him. They gave us a glimpse and clue with the internal battle with alcohol....but I doubt the "big" deal is that he likes to drink. Maybe with him being an Army Medic....there is some sort of sick trauma going in there? But there's certainly more than meets they eye.
I don't know what to make of your observation about the cell doors. Or if there is any connection at all?
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One of the girls feeding the walkers seems like a pretty legitimate assumption and rather likely. This whole time, I've been trying to figure out why someone in the prison would willingly be attracting zombies. Having a young child do it would be more believable (at least for now). I still don't trust that new black guy (I don't know his name, everyone knows who I am talking about, and I'm not being racist), but I can't imagine why he'd be the one attracting them. I could see him being the killer, but that's about it.
Regarding the two burned corpses, were they killed before they died from their sickness? If so, that completely rules the girls out.
Side bar:
Interesting thing I noticed while re-watching the second episode. Everyone in D-Block slept with their cell door open. In C-Block, Rick and Carl were the only ones who didn't sleep with their door shut.
I agree about the new black character. There's just something 'off' about him. They gave us a glimpse and clue with the internal battle with alcohol....but I doubt the "big" deal is that he likes to drink. Maybe with him being an Army Medic....there is some sort of sick trauma going in there? But there's certainly more than meets they eye.
I don't know what to make of your observation about the cell doors. Or if there is any connection at all?
I don't think there is any connection. I just found it interesting the the writers (or whoever is in charge of that) would subtly show that the original cast still has the 'There's no such thing as safe' mentality, even though they've been in the prison longer than everyone else.
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For anyone who has read the graphic novels:
In the scene where Rick notices Carol outside the fence...oblivious to the oncoming Walkers....and he gets that scowl on his face and growls 'damnit'.... Did you feel/sense the connection of that 'face' moment with graphic novel Rick? For the first time he looked/acted almost exactly like the comic book character. Just curious to as if that was just me or not.
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I still don't trust that new black guy (I don't know his name, everyone knows who I am talking about, and I'm not being racist), but I can't imagine why he'd be the one attracting them. I could see him being the killer, but that's about it.
His name is D'Angelo Barksdale.
Regarding the two burned corpses, were they killed before they died from their sickness? If so, that completely rules the girls out.
maybe, maybe not. Carol has been showing the children how to defend themselves, use knives, etc. She actually wanted the older one to kill her father. And perhaps the two people were too sick to do anything to defend themselves. Heck, Carol may have overseen the entire thing while the girl(s) did the dirty work.
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It's nice to have Cutty and D'Angelo in the same show again!
Also, I know this thread is for the show but whatever, the upcoming "All Out War" arc in the comics is gonna be iiinsaaaaane!!!
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It's nice to have Cutty and D'Angelo in the same show again!
Although, they were never in The Wire at the same time. ;)
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Yes, I know, still, it's nice.
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maybe, maybe not. Carol has been showing the children how to defend themselves, use knives, etc. She actually wanted the older one to kill her father. And perhaps the two people were too sick to do anything to defend themselves. Heck, Carol may have overseen the entire thing while the girl(s) did the dirty work.
This was my friend's reasoning as well (though I don't think he believes Carol oversaw it, just that she was covering for the girl). Still unsure about the idea, but I totally agree that the older sister's the one feeding the zombies.
And yeah, All Out War is going to be awesome. Going to be sad when Shiva inevitably dies, but I can't wait till she has her next rampage moment. And I really hope Ezekiel and Michonne don't develop a relationship. I hope Kirkman realizes that just because Michonne is black, it does not mean that she has to fuck/hit on every single black character in the comic. It was cool with how he had Heath respond to it and it seemed like the last time, but even the friggin' funkadelic zookeeper?
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Finally caught all the way up after starting 2 weeks ago. I really love the show but I have to admit the earlier seasons were definitely better. Hopefully it will improve from here.
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I really just want them to get out of the Prison already. I don't want this to turn into season 2 when they don't really do anything and stay at the damn Prison during the entire season. We already had them do that in season 3, so everything is starting to get stale.
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Keeping them in the prison isn't bad as long as they have the story to justify it. The problem with the farm wasn't just that they were at the farm for an entire season, but that they didn't have much to do there. You can mostly blame AMC for that. With the infection, the herd, the radio signal and the character work they seem to be focusing on, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have a plan for the full season.
Then again, I said the same thing for last season, where the first half was good but the second proceeded to take a giant dump in quality. :lol
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That's a good point.
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Haha. Well . . . I do love seeing actors from The Wire, and I honestly believe the acting on TWD is really solid (for the main cast). But boy, do I EVER think this show is extremely overrated. I won't harp on that too much though since I doubt many people share that opinion.
Honestly, I think AMC is the biggest problem TWD will never be able to recover from. And yeah, where as the farm was gloriously snoorezeville with NOTHING for the cast to do - it seems like we might actually have a shred of plot for the prison location.
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I actually really liked the farm. So far season 4 has been my least favorite. The whole disease thing just bores me.
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I actually really liked the farm. So far season 4 has been my least favorite. The whole disease thing just bores me.
Still better than season two.
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Ugh. Enough with the fucking speeches. That 4 minute dialogue between Carol and the little girl was nauseating. We viewers do not need every little concept explained to us.
Second ugh. Fuck Tyrese and his 15 year old girl attitude.
Third ugh. Stupid alcoholic willing to pull a gun for a bottle.
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Wow. What a terrible episode. Rick's gone soft. There's no way we've seen the last of Carol. Daryl is going to flip shut when he finds out. I hate Tyrese. I hope Rick lies to the group and tells them Carol got eaten, only to have her appear later on resulting in Rick looking like a douche.
I'd like to have sex with Michonne.
Yep.
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Yeah, I'm almost done with this show.
But I see the show hasn't lost Rick's bad leadership from the comics.
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I think this season is solid so far. Maybe the plot was a little boring, but at least it's much better written than last season. Also I got the feeling that they're still setting up the plot and that this is just a transitional period to move away from the terrible season 3.
Don't really understand your guys' complaints.
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I've decided that I will continue to watch this show just to see what happens. If it gets cancelled, I won't really give a shit.
In regards to last night's episode... Someone needs to off Tyrese. He's careless and makes decisions out of emotion rather than logic. He's a serious liability and is going to get someone killed. All that moping around shit when he was ringing his shirt out in the river. What the fuck was that? Why did he bother even coming along in the first place? I've hated his character since they introduced him. "We take care of our own", as he's standing there waiting to smash a skull in with a hammer. I don't think he's added the slightest bit of value to the show since he walked into the prison almost a season ago.
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I've decided that I will continue to watch this show just to see what happens. If it gets cancelled, I won't really give a shit.
In regards to last night's episode... Someone needs to off Tyrese. He's careless and makes decisions out of emotion rather than logic. He's a serious liability and is going to get someone killed. All that moping around shit when he was ringing his shirt out in the river. What the fuck was that? Why did he bother even coming along in the first place? I've hated his character since they introduced him. "We take care of our own", as he's standing there waiting to smash a skull in with a hammer. I don't think he's added the slightest bit of value to the show since he walked into the prison almost a season ago.
Speaking to Tyrese's Character. It's an utter disappointment when comparing him to 'comic book' Tyrese....nothing alike at all. In fact, I'd argue they developed Daryl's character based on Tyrese's in the comic book. But as far as the 'angle' thier taking with his TV character....I have no idea what they're doing.
I actually liked last nights episode. I thought that Rick banishing Carol was interesting. I mean, it's safe to assume that wont be the last we see of her. Was he kicking her out to protect her from Tyrese? Was it because he's threatened by her ' strength'? It's going to make for an interesting dichotomy at the prison now, especially between he, Daryl and Hershel. Not so much Hershel because he's probably the mid season finale 'major' character sacrifice. But I suspect Daryl's gonna be ticked.
Or maybe we never see Carol again until the 'spin off' series....and it's based around her? I've thought that since they announced that series that they'd need a character we know be a part of it to lure viewers in. I just thought maybe they'd have Daryl get swept away in a flash flood and then base it around him.
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I liked it. And I completely disagree with Chino's complaint about the intro. Carol and the girls conversation with short cuts of Rick in between with that haunting soundtrack really worked well.
He --stuff-- makes decisions out of emotion rather than logic.
Holy crap, Ty is a woman.
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I liked the episode. Nothing amazing, but it moved the story forward and had some great character development and interaction. I don't dislike Ty nearly as much as most people here. I think that to expect the characters in the show to be similar to the comics is downright stupid at this point. Almost every character differs in a multitude of ways to their comic counterpart. The fact that Ty is an important character in the comics doesn't equate to him being as central in the show. That said, I do think they'll develop him a bit further, but even so, I really doubt him and Rick will be as "MY BRO" as they are in the comics. As others have mentioned, Daryl seems to have taken that spot. But it would be nice to see him developed a bit more instead of just hashing out his anger.
I'd like to see some sprinting from here on out though. If the pace doesn't ramp up then it's going to be another dull, dreary season with only bits of greatness, and I can't take that again. If this season doesn't wow me by the end, I'm fucking done with this charade. But Gimple does seem to be doing a better job at prioritizing than his predecessors and I'm hoping he has his own plan for an end-game season finale and for the future.
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That episode also exposed Carols growing disregard for human life...and the decisions she makes towards them. When Rick made the decision for the two 'hippies' they ran across.....who couldn't even kill a single Walker....to stay in the house and wait for them, then Carol overruled him and let them help....I think that displayed how little she cares for human life, and showed Carol could care less about Ricks opinion.
Rick knew they were in no shape to help...they weren't fighters, yet Carol essentially sent them to their death. The more I think abut it the more I understand and agree with Ricks decision to banish Carol. In her quest to do what's best for the group she's lost sight of humanity....and at least trying to maintain some thread of it. She's becoming or has become Shane.
Her trying to relate her murders to Rick killing Shane when they were completely different scenarios shows how far gone her mind is.
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Tio......I'm not expecting or wanting Ty to be the same as in the comics, but his character to this point has been unbearable. Is been tough to watch.
I think next weeks episode looks like that 'sprint'....like the resolution of the sickness. At least I hope it's the resolution because like a cold that storyline is becoming a pain in the booty. Enough already....lets get the show on the road. Zacks character died and was a zombie in like 8 hours.....these guys are lasting forever.
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There are just too many loose ends that really bug me. For example, in the episode before last week, when they were driving to the university. They were in the Charger and ran into a sea of walkers, literally, there were thousands of them. They got out of the car and some how miraculously got to the campus. I guess you could argue that the walkers stick to the streets and stay out of the woods, but we know that's not true. I know stuff like that should just be assumed to progress the show, but in my mind it's just sloppy.
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I thought it was a pretty solid episode. Not great, but pretty good. I want them to finish off this cold as soon as possible, though. You can't drag something like that out for over 5 episodes.
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I thought it was a pretty solid episode. Not great, but pretty good. I want them to finish off this cold as soon as possible, though. You can't drag something like that out for over 5 episodes.
If AMC has proven anything.....they can milk the very last puff of dried milk from the tit of anything.
Also......SPOILER......
The way Michonne and Daryl are flirting around really is resemblant of her and TYrese in the comics. The Governor is still out and about.....would they have those two hook up and then kill off Daryl the way they killed off Tyrese in the comics? Would they have the balls to do that? I think it'd be friggin awesome! I love Daryl's character but there are cool characters to come. The similarities between Daryl's character and comic book Tyrese and now the apparent budding relationship between Daryl and Michonne make me think its not out of the question. The way Daryl questions her looking for the Governor all the time now.....her not really having a purpose to any longer. Just a thought.
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That would be epic. The backlash from the fans would be incredible. I would be totally cool with a move like that.
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Yeah, if they kill off Daryl, it better be in the most epic of ways.
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Yeah, if they kill off Daryl, it better be in the most epic of ways.
It would make a good season finale, that's for sure. Or even better, a mid-season finale, so that AMC has to face the backlash even earlier with the return of the second half of a season.
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I liked this weeks episode. I didn't see the Carol banishment coming but as Gary says it makes perfect sense in retrospect.
I also agree that if the meds don't cure some of the prison population of the swine flu then the outbreak should drive the survivors from the prison for good. Let's move on.
And the award for the least inspirational dialog goes to: Carol - "You can be a farmer but not just a farmer."
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'Ello Govna
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I know there's a lot of people that are getting bored with this show, but this season has been absolutely fantastic in my opinion. Excellent character development. This weeks episode had me on the edge of my seat.
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I thought tonight's episode was great! Not only good action but some strong character performances from Hershel, Maggie, Rick and Carl.
That father/son shoot out scene was awesome....on top of it being a moment where Rick realized (finally) that not only does he not need to worry about protecting Carl....but that Carl is no longer a child.
Did anyone else notice that bin of ammo when Carl and Rick were strapping up the assault rifles? Easily 10,000 rounds in that thing.....more likely 20,000 rounds. I just find it odd the guns and ammo are just sitting outside like that.
I'm curious to see if Daryl's reaction to Carol being banished is going to be as bad as it would seem or if he takes the logical approach like Hershel and Maggie did and 'understand' it. I can't see him getting to ticked at Rick to be honest....
My curiosity is just as prevalent in wondering how the show is going to approach and handle the Governor from this point forward being that its completely off the rails from the comic book storyline.
The Talking Dead had one of those studio audience questions that was interesting. The guy proposed that Bob (the Alchoholic Army Medic) was/is a spy for,the Governor which could explain his character seeming to be so "off". Could be?
I know there's a lot of people that are getting bored with this show, but this season has been absolutely fantastic in my opinion. Excellent character development. This weeks episode had me on the edge of my seat.
I think the last (2) episodes reinforced Scott Gimples assertion after week one on The Talking Dead that the season was crafted to be appreciated as a whole and not necessarily episode by episode. At least for me they have.
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I thought it was another pretty solid episode, but has anyone else noticed how slow the zombies are these days? When Shane is trapped in the school those guys are haulin' ass after him, but the walkers that break through the gate just line up and get mowed down.
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I thought it was another pretty solid episode, but has anyone else noticed how slow the zombies are these days? When Shane is trapped in the school those guys are haulin' ass after him, but the walkers that break through the gate just line up and get mowed down.
Could have something to do with how 'fresh' they are. The ones that turned in the cell blocks were hoofin' it alright. Maybe the longer they've been dead and have decayed the slower they get.
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I think the slow zombies are the scarier ones. They're just creepy in a way that is lost on the runners.
I also really enjoyed this episode. A lot of cool moments and although the climax was a big walker-confrontation as always they managed to do it a bit differently and keep it fresh.
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Personally, I'm getting a little tired of the prison environment. I'd love to see them get flushed out and have to be on the run or find a new home.
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I thought we were going to lose Hershel for sure last night.
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Personally, I'm getting a little tired of the prison environment. I'd love to see them get flushed out and have to be on the run or find a new home.
I have a feeling that time is upon them (us). I think the Governor is on a revenge mission of "I lost my city....you're losing your prison" type thing. He's probably left a trail of breadcrumbs for that hoard of Walkers to follow right to the prisons doorstep.
I thought we were going to lose Hershel for sure last night.
It certainly had that feel. I was waiting for it the entire episode....trying to figure it how he'd get knocked off. But alas the one legged man lives to see another day....he climbed a little higher, found another reason to stay. It looked like he had ashes in his hands and his eyes filled with mercy while he searched for a silent sky. I don't think he'll find that there he'll have to look another way, even try another day.
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Okay, I've been dogging the prison and the slow pace, but this was an absolutely beautiful, horrific showing of how the prison should be. This was a fucking awesome episode and I loved every second. That was a wonderful portrayal of how it should be...and I now love the whole 'sickness' aspect. Who would have thought that a 'glorified flu' would take out half the prison and create such disaster. Everyone is thinking of zombies and the sickness that causes it so much that they don't realize they're already infected and a mere breath around the wrong person can kill you. It's awesome!
If the rest of the season follows this one's pace, then my faith is restored in Gimple. It already is, but he needs to capitalize on this moment of neck-break pacing and utter devastation and gore. That is The Walking Dead. Again, I'm reminded of the tone of "CLEAR", and this episode followed it nicely. Very bleak, horrific, and an utter loss of hope made this an exciting, edge-of-your-seat episode. Oh and DAT ENDING! I am really hopeful of the gov's episode and I hope they finish this rivalry with a bang. The next couple episodes will tell if this was worth the prodding. I thought the whole sickness was a red herring, but now it seems to be an important storyline point that will be the catalyst for The Prison's last gasp of breath. :yarr :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Last night's episode was probably the best one from the entire season, so far. It looks like the prison storyline is coming to an end and they've finally reintroduced the governor to the show to create the 'outside problem' again. It looks like the action could be picking up very soon.
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But alas the one legged man lives to see another day....he climbed a little higher, found another reason to stay. It looked like he had ashes in his hands and his eyes filled with mercy while he searched for a silent sky. I don't think he'll find that there he'll have to look another way, even try another day.
Do you ever get the feeling that people are ignoring you as a silent rebuke? :lol
Watched this weeks episode last night and loved it. It was tense and thrilling but still maintained the WD tradition of allowing you to witness characters at their most vulnerable and insane. Speaking of which, that little girl is twisted and scares me more than the Governor and his zombie daughter combined. This show is funny in that you can watch it and be totally sucked in but once the show is over you notice stupid shit like a huge pile of automatic weapons and 100,000 rounds of ammo! If all that was there before, why reinforce the fence? Why wait until the hoard is through the fence? Just mow them down on the other side and go grab a Miller! SMH
Oh and Gary, I disagree about Daryl's reaction about Carol. I think he'll be really pissed!
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But alas the one legged man lives to see another day....he climbed a little higher, found another reason to stay. It looked like he had ashes in his hands and his eyes filled with mercy while he searched for a silent sky. I don't think he'll find that there he'll have to look another way, even try another day.
Do you ever get the feeling that people are ignoring you as a silent rebuke? :lol
In fairness......that was cheesy as heck! I couldn't resist though :rollin
Oh and Gary, I disagree about Daryl's reaction about Carol. I think he'll be really pissed!
Daryl's was just as ticked in his reaction to the murders and even said something along the lines of "we'll find the SOB who did this and make them pay" to Tyrese. That's what is going to make his reaction interesting. Will he be more ticked at Rick for (IMO) doing the right thing or at Carol for turning into a woman Shane? He might initially be mad or whatever but I don't think it'll come to blows or even a huge argument. I think he'll understand Rick made the right call.
Besides.....Carol will make a triumphant return right about the time the group really needs a 'miracle'....
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Maybe she'll take down the Gov' just as he gains the upper hand. That would be cool!
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I have a theory loosely based on the happenings in the comics....although those of us who have read the comics know the show is using them as reference at best. Anyway, there is the potential for a SPOILER if you choose to read my theory so you've been warned.
I think that Daryl will be upset about Carol being banished and want to go find her. He will leave, and Michonne will go with him. Sound Familiar? Somewhere along the lines the Governor captures Michonne and Daryl....Michonne escapes minus her Katana....and I'd guess at the mid season finale the TV show Governor gives Daryl the same treatment that Comic book Governor gave Tyrese.
I just think its time the producers remind everyone that Rick and Carl are the only 'safe' characters in this show. That'd be the way to do it. Daryl is a cool character but the show needs a shake up like that to keep it fresh. Plus, with Abrahams group already confirmed to have joined the cast and shooting episodes....that'd clear the way for some new characters to come in, especially one as significant as Abraham without having to compete for screen time with Daryl which would allow them to develop Abraham correctly.....as opposed to what they've done to Tyrese (Although Daryl is essentially comic book Tyrese)
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Finally got caught up last night since I hadn't watched a single episode since Season 1 finished. I'll echo some sentiment here, the prison setpiece is really starting to wear on me. Also I know it was last season but I'm so glad Angela is gone.
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Man, reading some of these posts I'm so glad I dropped this series. :lol
@ Comic readers: Worth picking up if I don't like the TV series?
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Man, reading some of these posts I'm so glad I dropped this series. :lol
@ Comic readers: Worth picking up if I don't like the TV series?
First, the comics are pretty good. I had never been a comic reader and picked up the two compendiums and read them in like a week. Then I just bought the couple subsequent issues. But yeah....it's pretty neat and really a different story.
And for me, I honestly still enjoy the TV show. It just bugs me at points where they're (IMO) waste time in the episodes on dumb things that mean nothing.
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Man, reading some of these posts I'm so glad I dropped this series. :lol
@ Comic readers: Worth picking up if I don't like the TV series?
The comics are infinitely better than the show in every way.
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Man, reading some of these posts I'm so glad I dropped this series. :lol
@ Comic readers: Worth picking up if I don't like the TV series?
The comics are infinitely better than the show in every way.
The comics don't have Lauren Cohan.
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Would definitely recommend the comic to anyone interested. The development and progression are far better, and there's also the convenience of there being less to nitpick at considering it's a comic and not a TV show, so Kirkman and Adlard can show exactly and solely what they want to. I still think the TV show is way better than most will give it credit for, but it's easy to say the comic is far more consistent. It's also just neat to know the deviations from and references to the comic in the TV show, like the way Axel dies, Tyreese being surrounded a few weeks ago, Carl saving Rick by shooting Shane. All of these things happen in entirely different circumstances in the comics but are basically the same (if you want to know when and how exactly these things happen in the comic, you'll have to read for yourself!). Aside from the appeal that the concept of "zombie movie that never ends", there's a reason the comic is held in high regard by even mostly cape readers (semi-purists of superhero stories). Of course, it's not free from flaw and things like usable gas almost 2 years into the apocalypse, but these things don't tend to be in mind or as blatant as they can be in the show. And there are a few moments that I will warn are muuuuuuuch harsher than anything the show has shown and probably will ever show, so prepare for some heavy hits.
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Ugh, I did not enjoy tonight's episode at all. Sure, I was interested in what happened to the governor, but they could've summed it all up in the opening to an episode, and not drag it out for a full hour. Definitely disappointed by that one.
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Ugh, I did not enjoy tonight's episode at all. Sure, I was interested in what happened to the governor, but they could've summed it all up in the opening to an episode, and not drag it out for a full hour. Definitely disappointed by that one.
Interesting. I'm the exact opposite. I liked the episode a lot. I like how they took the Governor from essentially deaths bed due to an utter collapse of his mind, to him battling back mentally. I liked the fact they used a dying father and young daughter to revive his 'spirit' and how it was noticeable that he hated who he had/has become.....and knows that the man he was when he was a husband and father no longer exists.
I found/find myself rooting for,the Governor a bit now.....up until he snaps again and tries to kill the prison group :lol
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I noticed that they were trying to make you feel sympathetic for the governor, but he was such an asshole before that I just couldn't. Probably why I didn't like the episode.
Also I've noticed that ever since I caught up to season 4 I've enjoyed the episodes a lot less and I think the reason why is that we have to wait a whole week in between episodes. On Netflix, when you have 30 episodes to get through, they can spend an episode or 2 on character development and it's like "that was nice, on to the next one". But now it's like "I waited a whole week and nothing happened????" The more I think about it, the episode was actually pretty good, but I was waiting all week for some action and death and stuff.
If that continues I think I'll force myself to wait until I can get the whole season next time.
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I noticed that they were trying to make you feel sympathetic for the governor, but he was such an asshole before that I just couldn't. Probably why I didn't like the episode.
Also I've noticed that ever since I caught up to season 4 I've enjoyed the episodes a lot less and I think the reason why is that we have to wait a whole week in between episodes. On Netflix, when you have 30 episodes to get through, they can spend an episode or 2 on character development and it's like "that was nice, on to the next one". But now it's like "I waited a whole week and nothing happened????" The more I think about it, the episode was actually pretty good, but I was waiting all week for some action and death and stuff.
If that continues I think I'll force myself to wait until I can get the whole season next time.
I did that same thing with Game of Thrones. My brothers watched it and told me I had to. I watched the first two seasons in a week, just in time to start the third season "on time" and even though I like the show it sucks waiting the week.
I think it'll be interesting to see how Martinez responds to the Governor and if he plays along with him being 'Brian'. I'm thinking even though In the preview Martinez tells the Governor that he's in charge now....after following the Governors orders for so long in the back of his mind he has to know it won't be long until he's following 'Brian's orders.
And....the entire Governor story on the TV show in no way resembles the comic now. I'm curious as to if they keep any of what goes down in the comics or if they are just doing their own thing with him now?
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I'm beginning to think the whole Governor/ Prison storyline has jumped the shark. By the finale last season I was fed up with the governor storyline all together. It's one thing to create tension between Lincoln and Morriseys characters but they rode that wave of rising action nearly every week last season. We all hoped week after week he would finally get his due and ultimately that hope went unfulfilled.
Now they want to "reinvent" the sick bastard so they can milk it for the rest of this year. Enough already.
Surely there are many more story lines that would keep us interested in this post apocalyptic world. I mean it's now been what? Two...three weeks since the radio broadcast snippet. And for once can't we see them raid a Goddamn Costco? Yeah I know AMC doesn't want to spend the money but damn sometimes this group of survivors seems pretty damn dumb.
Also I heard Kirkman talk about how excited he was about the new spin-off series next year. He said he couldn't wait to do something that didn't follow the comic in this world. What?? Then don't do that now.
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I don't really understand why they tried to make the Governor sympathetic, this is not like Jaime Lannister where it's a case of you judge him because you're led to believe he's an asshole until you hear his side of the story, no, the Governor was truly a sick and twisted human... why would I wanna feel sympathy towards him? Especially when you know he's gonna try and kill Rick's group when he catches up with them.
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I thought the episode was fine.
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I predict his former henchmen will kill his new family and the Governor will go back into kill zone mode.
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I predict his former henchmen will kill his new family and the Governor will go back into kill zone mode.
Sounds about right.
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I don't really understand why they tried to make the Governor sympathetic, this is not like Jaime Lannister where it's a case of you judge him because you're led to believe he's an asshole until you hear his side of the story, no, the Governor was truly a sick and twisted human... why would I wanna feel sympathy towards him? Especially when you know he's gonna try and kill Rick's group when he catches up with them.
In my opinion, the sympathy will be short lived. After all, they showed us that the governor eventually ends up outside the prison fences looking inside -- likely wanting revenge. So I'm sure they sympathetic side of the governor fades.
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I'm not so sure, they used 1 entire episode to show that the gov still have empathy and compassion. Why would they then let him snap and throw all that away just so he can have his revenge on the prison camp? He burned his family photo so I think the anger towards Michonne has faded.
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I don't really understand why they tried to make the Governor sympathetic, this is not like Jaime Lannister where it's a case of you judge him because you're led to believe he's an asshole until you hear his side of the story, no, the Governor was truly a sick and twisted human... why would I wanna feel sympathy towards him? Especially when you know he's gonna try and kill Rick's group when he catches up with them.
In my opinion, the sympathy will be short lived. After all, they showed us that the governor eventually ends up outside the prison fences looking inside -- likely wanting revenge. So I'm sure they sympathetic side of the governor fades.
And that's what I'm getting at, why spend a whole episode trying to give him sympathy if their going to make him the monster he was eventually?
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Honest trailers: The Walking Dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxvo8AcpQQ
:lol
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I would have liked the episode if they broke it up over several episodes. That way I didn't have to sit through an hour straight of backstory or have to deal with the prison group's bullshit for the first several episodes. I felt it would have been a nice change of pace if they went back and forth between the prison group and the governor's story in these first few episodes of the new season.
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I love the idea of making him sympathetic, even if it won't be for long. Some of our sickest serial killers were family men and had people they cared about and all that jazz, 9 times out of 10 it's not as black and white as entirely good and entirely evil. Hell, by the end of the episode, I found myself way more concerned with his situation than the prison. The first half of the episode had me bored and the sisters had pretty awful dialogue, but by the end I was hooked. I loved what they did with TV Shane in comparison to comic Shane by making him much more dyanmic, and they're basically doing the same with The Governor except opposite what they did with Shane (does that make sense?). Shane lost his soul and gave no fucks, but The Governor appears to be full of self-loathing because of the terrible things he's done.
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But he already HAD a family and people he cared about and all that jazz!!
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But he already HAD a family and people he cared about and all that jazz!!
Yes, and they either became walker kibble, or just a walker. Then at his lowest point, after being defeated by people who he outnumbered and outgunned, and then abandoned by his two trusty henchmen, he was taken in by random people, and that ignited a spark of humanity back in him.
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With the serial killer analogy, there has been a phenomenon of empathy they feel when it comes to children due to past experiences. It's not far-fetched for The Governor. I honestly don't think he cares about the women, but has to keep them safe for the girl's sake.
It totally would have been for comic book Gov, who was far less sympathetic and evil as all hell from the start. Love that he goes by Brian... Has anybody read the novels?
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It's not about sympathy or showing the ability to feel positive emotions for people...it's about control. This poor family now has helped him reinvent himself but more than that they have unwittingly rekindled his psychotic/narcissistic side. The Governor HAS to be in control. Without it he is lost. The dimensions of his personality when it seemed he was repentant and self loathing over his past deeds were not that at all. What we mistook as a shred of human decency was his torment over having had his empire crumble around him. He is nothing if he isn't in control.
Think back to one of the first times we met him. He slaughtered an entire platoon of national guardsmen because there very existence was a threat to his megalomaniacal world. Hes shown all of us that his character alone is far more dangerous than any walker out there. I would stand him up to any number of sick and twisted fictional psychos. Hannibal Lector, Moriarty, Judge Holden, Claudius, Blofeld, Randall Flagg....all amateurs when it comes to his depravity.
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It's not about sympathy or showing the ability to feel positive emotions for people...it's about control. This poor family now has helped him reinvent himself but more than that they have unwittingly rekindled his psychotic/narcissistic side. The Governor HAS to be in control. Without it he is lost. The dimensions of his personality when it seemed he was repentant and self loathing over his past deeds were not that at all. What we mistook as a shred of human decency was his torment over having had his empire crumble around him. He is nothing if he isn't in control.
Think back to one of the first times we met him. He slaughtered an interpolation of national guardsmen because there very excistence was a threat to his megalomanic world. He shown all of us that his character alone is far more dangerous than any walker out there. I would stand him up to any number of sick and twisted fictional psychos. Hannibal Lector, Moriarty, Judge Holden, Claudius, Blofeld, Randall Flagg....all amateurs when it comes to his depravity.
:clap:
So it is written......so let it be said....
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I'm finally watching this week's episode and the governor just entered the old folk's home... I'm so fucking bored.
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I'm going to keep watching a show that doesn't interest me and complain about it every week.
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I'm going to keep watching a show that doesn't interest me and complain about it every week.
Well, yeah. It's like when a parent still loves and supports a child who is a drug addict, steals their money, pawns shit around their house, doesn't work, and still bums around their house at the age of 40.
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I'm going to keep watching a show that doesn't interest me and complain about it every week.
Well, yeah. It's like when a parent still loves and supports a child who is a drug addict, steals their money, pawns shit around their house, doesn't work, and still bums around their house at the age of 40.
Do you know my cousin?
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It's not about sympathy or showing the ability to feel positive emotions for people...it's about control. This poor family now has helped him reinvent himself but more than that they have unwittingly rekindled his psychotic/narcissistic side. The Governor HAS to be in control. Without it he is lost. The dimensions of his personality when it seemed he was repentant and self loathing over his past deeds were not that at all. What we mistook as a shred of human decency was his torment over having had his empire crumble around him. He is nothing if he isn't in control.
Think back to one of the first times we met him. He slaughtered an entire platoon of national guardsmen because there very existence was a threat to his megalomaniacal world. Hes shown all of us that his character alone is far more dangerous than any walker out there. I would stand him up to any number of sick and twisted fictional psychos. Hannibal Lector, Moriarty, Judge Holden, Claudius, Blofeld, Randall Flagg....all amateurs when it comes to his depravity.
Oh yeah, control is probably a bigger part of it than anything. But if there wasn't a sympathetic or emotional element, then there would be no reason for the little girl's character at all. You're not wrong, but I still wouldn't say that that is all there is to it. I'm not saying i'm rooting for the guy or saying that he's not a fuckin' batshit monster, just that I'm happy with his un-static character development. I mean, I think we all share a strong feeling that he's going to enter full psychokillrage in the near future.
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I think this was the best episode so far this season without a doubt. Similar to the episode Clear in S3, it just gets so much better when they strip the episode down, focus on just a few characters.
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It's not about sympathy or showing the ability to feel positive emotions for people...it's about control. This poor family now has helped him reinvent himself but more than that they have unwittingly rekindled his psychotic/narcissistic side. The Governor HAS to be in control. Without it he is lost. The dimensions of his personality when it seemed he was repentant and self loathing over his past deeds were not that at all. What we mistook as a shred of human decency was his torment over having had his empire crumble around him. He is nothing if he isn't in control.
Think back to one of the first times we met him. He slaughtered an entire platoon of national guardsmen because there very existence was a threat to his megalomaniacal world. Hes shown all of us that his character alone is far more dangerous than any walker out there. I would stand him up to any number of sick and twisted fictional psychos. Hannibal Lector, Moriarty, Judge Holden, Claudius, Blofeld, Randall Flagg....all amateurs when it comes to his depravity.
Oh yeah, control is probably a bigger part of it than anything. But if there wasn't a sympathetic or emotional element, then there would be no reason for the little girl's character at all. You're not wrong, but I still wouldn't say that that is all there is to it. I'm not saying i'm rooting for the guy or saying that he's not a fuckin' batshit monster, just that I'm happy with his un-static character development. I mean, I think we all share a strong feeling that he's going to enter full psychokillrage in the near future.
I can see Temp's point....completely. And at the same time agree with emblempride as well. There is no reason really to 'sympathize' with the Governor given his actions he's displayed.
But I can sympathize with a man who misses and has lost his family. I think that episode was more about a man finally accepting the fact his family and beloved daughter was gone, and coming to the realization that the man he was when the world was right no longer existed.
I liked getting a glimpse of that man....and I liked how they showed what a bit of hope (the little girl) can do for a tormented, lost soul.
But just as the serial killer analogy has said.....you can't do the things he has done and not have had that in you all along. Maybe that was what some of the self loathing and sulking was about....him realizing the man he was before was the lie, that he had lied to the women he loved and that who he was as the Governor was his true self?
I think Zook is right on.....something bad is going to happen to that little girl he's replaced Penny with....kind of a Karma come full circle thing.....and it's just going to unchain the monster she has for the time being tamed.
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Miller. I think your right on the verge of hitting on it. I believe he has always been this way. His family was a way to mask to others that he was "normal" when in fact he's a monster. The symbolism of torching the photo wasn't about letting go from an emotional standpoint but about letting go from a practical standpoint. He now has a replacement family and like discarding a pair of worn out shoes he torched the picture because he has no need for any emotional remembrance of them. He's like the BTK Killer. A sociopath needs to keep appearances and his greatest fear is being exposed. This poor unsuspecting trio of young women just let the devil inside their lives.
Also...did anyone catch the symbolic scene near the end where they were walking and young Megan paralyzed by fear stands there when the mini horde of walkers shows up? She's holding her stuffed bunny the same way the walker girl does in the very first episode. Only the outcomes were entirely different. In the first episode the bunny walker runs at Rick and he shoots her in the head. In this episode bunny Megan runs right into the arms of the devil. All safe and sound.
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I think Miller got it 100%. I agree with the idea that he's always been that way and that keeping up appearances is a strong part of it. But he was sulking about even before he met the family, so I still wouldn't say that the family being a replacement and a way to mask his true self is all there is to it. You mentioned the BTK Killer, but then there's a guy like Robert Yates, who I was unfortunate enough to read about one day. Loved the shit out of his family as it's said - but the dude was a necrophiliac murderer! If a real person can maintain that completely opposite dichotomy and be genuine in both (though obviously he's much more the evil bastard far beyond the point of no return), it's not crazy for The Gov. The burning of the photo was about letting go form an emotional standpoint, he creased the photo so that it would show his wife and daughter but not himself, so it's safe to say he cared about them more than an old pair of shoes. I think that he, as Miller said, is coming to terms with the man that he has become and partially always been. And I agree that you can sympathize with the man he once was and the parts of this old self that he's struggling to hold onto while still recognizing the evil and nearly heartless person he's become now. Once again going back to the morbid serial killer analogy, plenty of killers came out of absolutely awful experiences and conditions that you can sympathize with and feel empathy for while still condemning and even hating that person for the things that they've done and who they are currently. It's not justification, but it is understanding. So that's my thinking, anyways.
And I also think that this was the best episode of the season so far, despite the first half of the episode. Speaking of Clear, I'm wondering when Morgan will pop back up and in what context, considering he's supposed to make an appearance this season.
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So, who thinks that radio transmission we heard a while back is going to be linked to the Governor's party?
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I don't even remember what radio transmission you're talking about. :lol
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I was really enjoying this season. It seems like it was going back to the basics of the first two season which were survival from the zombies and dealing with each other. But this past episode was pretty boring and I don't particularly care for the governor at this point. I knew he would come back but I don't think an entire episode on his back story was enjoyable.
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So, who thinks that radio transmission we heard a while back is going to be linked to the Governor's party?
I think it'll be the new characters that have been confirmed for this season. Abraham and his crew.
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I wish they would just hurry up and get there. The writers have twiddled their thumbs with this prison situation for long enough.
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I wish they would just hurry up and get there. The writers have twiddled their thumbs with this prison situation for long enough.
This.
Did this bit bother anyone else?? ..
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Fucking awesome scene. I enjoyed the episode, I really liked the tense scenes when the governor was 'hunting'; some great creepy, classic spook scenes in this episode. I didn't entirely enjoy the exposition of the Governor though. This isn't exactly what I had in mind when they said they were doing a Gov'-specific episode. But overall I think it's nice to know that these more character driven episodes bring some depth to the characters instead of simply prodding along. Though there was definitely some prodding going on in this episode; it wasn't too bad though.
Overall I'm liking this season much more than any previous ones and for the most part I think the pace is nice even though the general consensus is that something huge happens in one foul swoop simply to get away from the prison. Then, the backlash would be towards Gimple wanting to take the easy way out...or something else entirely... Er, my point being that it's nice to know Gimple is still trying to forward the story while keeping the focus on the characters. There's no real easy way to immediately leave the prison, but I think by the end of this season they'll be on their way out if not already. Here's hoping...because I'm hanging by a thread as a whole, but recently I've enjoyed the show. It's just that...this show has had a tendency to do that; have some kickass awesome, neck-break pacing and then...nothing...
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Is that an official poster?
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Doubt it. Just something I saw on FB. The jaw/head connection is not hinged that way. It really bothers me.
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:yeahright
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Doubt it. Just something I saw on FB. The jaw/head connection is not hinged that way. It really bothers me.
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Doubt it. Just something I saw on FB. The jaw/head connection is not hinged that way. It really bothers me.
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But in that one, the lower jaw gets opposite pressure applied. In this case, it makes sense and is more believable.
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That is hilarious, what is that from?
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Just picked up Volume 19of the novel. The girl who rand me out mentioned something that was interesting. She speculated that the last episode about the Governor 'could' have had influence from the two books Kirkman wrote separately about him. Could be, I haven't read them.
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Just picked up Volume 19of the novel. The girl who rand me out mentioned something that was interesting. She speculated that the last episode about the Governor 'could' have had influence from the two books Kirkman wrote separately about him. Could be, I haven't read them.
One of them definitely did have influence... ;). Won't give too many specifics, but let's just say that the scene where The Governor was kissing one of the sisters made me really worried and way more anxious than the rest of the episode. And that changing his name to Brian was the biggest callback to that book (the biggest callback to the book aside from the family themselves anyways, who also appear in the books for a brief time minus the little girl and in different circumstances, which is also adds to my belief the only the reason they included the little girl was to add a sympathetic element) [the only scene taken from the book is when the old man dies and The Gov kills him immediately and violently]. The books are pretty good and, well, explain a loooooooooot concerning The Governor (and even explains a certain event that Rick's group goes through right before Hershel's Farm in the comics, ironically linked to The Gov despite being from way before they meet him in the comics). However, seeing the direction that the show was going at the end of the episode, with Martinez and that camp, it's safe to say that the Governor book will probably no longer have that much influence/be referenced to.
I've only read the first book, so I'm not sure about the other two, which are pretty different - one of the books follows one of the women from Woodbury who, despite being in only like 2 issues of the comic, ends up doing something really important at the end of the Prison arc. The other is basically the whole prison arc from the Governor's point of view, which I don't expect to get much out of as considering you can just read the comics and get the same story. So it would be safe to assume they aren't as big an influence as Rise of the Governor.
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I had a dream last night the governor was knocking on my door.
I grabbed my kitchen knife really quickly...
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https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/frank-darabont-breaks-his-walking-dead-silence-20131118
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Nothing truly captured the horror of isolation and an apocalypse like the pilot. I do still enjoy the show, but Season 1 is still the best them.
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Tonight's episode was pretty good. It was real easy to see what was coming though. I am interested to see what happens next.
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Tonight's episode was pretty good. It was real easy to see what was coming though. I am interested to see what happens next.
Liked the episode. I guess that's the answer to whether or not the Governor is a 'changed man' or not. :lol
The preview of the Governor standing on the tank at the Prison fence was almost straight from the comic. Pretty cool.
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Thought it was good as well, pretty much exactly what I/just about everybody figured was going to happen. Next week, Hershel dies, I'm betting. :(.
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Did anyone else notice that on "Talking Dead" when they played the scene from next week's episode, as the Governor is explaining to his new group why they need to attack the prison he says something to the effect about when the prison group "realizes that they're missing" they'll come looking for them and will want retribution.
I'm afraid he kills Herschel and Michionne. If that happens I'm gonna be really pissed at this shows future direction
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Nice to see the Governor back, but he is such an idiot. He had such a perfect opportunity to start over and he was too much of a megalomaniac. it was also nice to see Charlie from Fringe (although he looked too thin to me)
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Did anyone else notice that on "Talking Dead" when they played the scene from next week's episode, as the Governor is explaining to his new group why they need to attack the prison he says something to the effect about when the prison group "realizes that they're missing" they'll come looking for them and will want retribution.
I'm afraid he kills Herschel and Michionne. If that happens I'm gonna be really pissed at this shows future direction
Yep. I noticed that. Which makes me kind of happy in a way because that means they'd be following a 'story' from the comics....which makes me think they may grow a pair and actually off an 'important' character.
I don't think it'd be Michionne, but whomever the Governor has captured with her would seem to be losing their head to him with Michionne's sword. It's probably Hershal....which to me is the easy thing to do, I'd personally like to see it be Daryll because with Abraham entering the season I don't see how they can have that many 'cool' characters to maintain.....and then again it could be Tyrese which would be great since they've destroyed his character on the show anyway
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Maybe they're trying to fix the Governor arc they screwed up in season 3.
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Maybe they're trying to fix the Governor arc they screwed up in season 3.
Sure does look that way doesn't it?
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I think the whole Governor thing is already screwed up probably becausr of some stupid contractual obligation and theyre so in love with the "star power" of Morrisey.
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I think the whole Governor thing is already screwed up probably becausr of some stupid contractual obligation and theyre so in love with the "star power" of Morrisey.
Although 'Daryl' wasn't in the comics this whole "Kill Daryl and we Riot" deal is ridiculous. Its as if his character has becime more important than the show. Mow I absolutely Love the character but wouls still like a nice reminder kill that no one is safe. Norman Reedus's sex appeal that lures the women viewers in will probably keep his character around for quite some time though
I think if they were to kill off Daryl it would re-iterate the point that this is a Father/Son story....like the comics have stuck to. The only two 'safe' characters (in the comics) and should be on the show are Rick and Carl. All others should be on a frequent meet/in the group/you're dead cycle.
I will officially be on the very ticked off side if this show leaves the mid season finale a 'cliff hanger' so to speak with no resolution to the battle between the two. This next episode SHOULD end that story arc....and honestly the last scene should be taken straight from the comic and have Rick and Carl looking back down at an utterly destroyed and overrun Prison. END OF GOVERNOR/PRISON STORY ARC.
If they milk another episode out of that that show will start the second half of its season on my bad side. And let me tell you....that should scare them :saywhen: :lol
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I wouldn't be too miffed if it didn't end with the mid-season finale (though I would also prefer that it did). If the Governor's flashback stuff took two episodes, then they could still stretch out the arc. I still am perfectly fine with the progression of the show. Think about it - in the comics, they find the prison literally right after the farm, which is what happens in the show. This is like issue 13. They don't leave until issue 48, 35 issues later which was, what, like 3 or 4 real-life years? I don't care if they stay in the prison for the next 3 seasons as long as it works, and so far, I've felt that it has. Hell, in real life, that flu would have been around for a lot longer than the time covered in 5 episodes.
As for Hershel and Michonne - the actress that plays the latter has already been spotted filming for the 2nd half of the season, Hershel has not. The people I know have been seen on set - Norman Reedus, Lauren Cohan and her on-screen sis, Chad Coleman (Tyreese), Steven Yeun (Glenn), and Michonne's actress (along with Andy Lincoln and that kid who plays Carl of course). Looks like everyone else is in the danger zone. I think that theory is right on the money, with them being kidnapped and Michonne taking the comic's route.
Another interesting thing to note is that they've been filming in Maine for the show's 2nd half instead of Georgia, so they probably will be leaving the prison. I'm placing my bets that in the show's return next year, they meet the post-Prison group and immediately start the trek to this Terminus safe-zone place. I do think that if The Gov is still alive and his group in tact by then, it would be awesome to see what role Abraham's group plays in the conflict.
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I really wish they split up the past two episodes and dedicated a bit of each of the numerous episodes in the beginning to piecing together the Governor's story a bit with each week instead of two entire episodes, while disregarding the main cast during that time. It would have made a lot more sense to cut up these past two episodes and provide a change in pace in the past two episodes when the disease in the prison was starting to bore people to death.
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I really wish they split up the past two episodes and dedicated a bit of each of the numerous episodes in the beginning to piecing together the Governor's story a bit with each week instead of two entire episodes, while disregarding the main cast during that time. It would have made a lot more sense to cut up these past two episodes and provide a change in pace in the past two episodes when the disease in the prison was starting to bore people to death.
Agree 100%
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Has anyone else had any thoughts about the massive zombie herd? That herd has to be somewhere in the vicinity of the prison by now. I'm going to take a wild guess that it shows up during a battle/confrontation between the group and the governor's group. Of course, I could be way off base, but it seems like they showed the herd for more reasons than just to be a bump in the road for the group that went in search of the drugs.
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Has anyone else had any thoughts about the massive zombie herd? That herd has to be somewhere in the vicinity of the prison by now. I'm going to take a wild guess that it shows up during a battle/confrontation between the group and the governor's group. Of course, I could be way off base, but it seems like they showed the herd for more reasons than just to be a bump in the road for the group that went in search of the drugs.
I think you're right on. The only reason to show that massive herd would be for us to know that when it finally reached the prison or wherever it reached there would really be no way for the group to remain where that herd had landed.
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I've enjoyed these Gov-centric episodes. They're nothing spectacular in the forming of the story or moving it forward all that much, but it is nice to know that an ultimatum is coming: Get the fuck out of the prison soon or fight. I'm hoping for the true war that we deserve, especially after seeing that tank... But I've stopped hoping for any kind of semblance between this and the comic books; the comics to me are in a whole other universe of awesome and this show will never even touch the sole of its zombie-guts-covered-boot. But it's doing an admiral job in keeping the name. That said, if they could take even a single fucking hint from the comics, the show would be much better off, and thus far in this season, they have. But enough lollygagging, I'm ready for some real destruction. Take down the governor; he's done and done.
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Theory/Prediction for mid-season finale: Possible SPOILERS for those who haven't read the comic so:
Couple angles...first if they tried to use any of the comic storyline in the battle that is apparently coming next week....and being that Lori is dead....would that mean then Beth and Judith die/are killed by the Governor or accidentally by Lilly...and she gets so upset and mad or sees through the Governor enough to be the one who kills him?
or....given they've spent the last two episodes trying to show this inner struggle the Governor is having to be a good guy despite knowing he is an evil monster....what if he replacement daughter Mehgan and his replacement wife Lilly are killed in that batlle? And, in that moment he realizes he's gone and lost 'them' again...this time at his will or desires...and right about then the large horde appears and he just outright allows himself to be eaten in a display of punishment to himself?
Or what should happen.....when he's standing on that tank...right out in the open Daryl or Rick just blows his head off...I mean, c'mon....he's RIGHT there. Why even talk to the guy....tank or no tank
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Beth's actress has been filming for the 2nd half, but I could totally see Judith dying. Andrew Lincoln mentioned a scene that was both powerful and harsh, and that fits totally. Judith's death would make the 2nd half much more interesting than Hershel dying. I like the 2nd theory with Lilly and Meghan and The Governor's response. I mean, there have been pictures of Tara in the 2nd half of the season with the other group and I can't really see her defecting in any other situation than the one you laid out. I wonder what would happen to The Gov's remaining peeps if that were to happen?
I know my constant reminders that certain people have been spotted filming for the 2nd half are always ignored and are probably a wee bit annoying, but really, they're the most telling info at the moment! For example, the first people spotted filming for the 2nd half were the kid who plays Carl, Andrew Lincoln, and the actress who plays Michonne, and just those 3, nobody else until later.... I'm thinking about a certain few issues that are directly after the prison making up the first episode or two when the show comes back.
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So Issue 117 came out today, meaning Volume 20 is a 4th of the way done. Apparently 118 is supposed to be a big issue, and in 119, "The war comes home." For supposedly the most epic arc, nothing has really happened yet, so I can't wait.
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So Issue 117 came out today, meaning Volume 20 is a 4th of the way done. Apparently 118 is supposed to be a big issue, and in 119, "The war comes home." For supposedly the most epic arc, nothing has really happened yet, so I can't wait.
I picked up Volume 19 but haven't had the chance to read it yet. Curious as to how the 'nemesis' Rick finds himself against will be defeated.....if he is defeated?
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WOW! That was an awesome episode. Lots of things I didn't see coming. It made me feel really good about where the show might be going, now that they're finished with the prison.
Can't wait for February now!
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Yeah, thank god they're out of the prison.
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Very pleased with the way they wrapped the 'Governor/prison' arc up.
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That was an unbelievable episode....shoulda been the season 3 finale lol
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I thought it was interesting that the Governor made it a point to track down Hershal and finish chopping his head off....along with bashing his brains in. Was it a twisted show of respect? Given the Governor admitted he thought Hershal was a good man, was it his way of making sure he wouldn't suffer the humiliation of being a Walker?
Glad to see Michonne really get the kill on the Governor. I know Lilly technically put him out of his misery but Michonne did the trick.....I think she just wanted him to turn to a Walker.
Speaking of Lilly....in that world they live in how in the :censored do you allow your kid to play right next to a wood line, 100 foot from you? It's her own :censored fault her kid was eaten alive. Just retarded writing IMO. There's no friggin way your letting any kid just wander around. Ridiculous.
It'll be interesting to see how they've handled the whole Judith thing. I mean, the bloody car seat and reaction from Rick and Carl would make one believe she was an appetizer.....but at the same time leaving it so open would allow them to easily have her been 'saved' by someone.
I liked Daryl's response to Carol. Ticked yet 'got it'. I can't remember who he left with...or if he did. One moment he was with Carl, next thing you know nothing and Carl is saving his Dads butt....again.
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That was an unbelievable episode....shoulda been the season 3 finale lol
My thoughts exactly. I wonder if S3 and S4 can be combined by cutting out some filler and still make it flow like 1 normal season.
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I wept when Herschel died. His grandfatherly way of saving the groups ass time and time again really held the group (and show) together. I've cried like a little girl whose skinned her knee a few times during movies --Old Yeller, Without A Trace (at the end when what seems like the entire NYPD joins in the caravan to drive the kid home), at the end of my favorite film of all-time It's A Wonderful Life (everytime btw), and at the end of Saving Private Ryan when he asks his wife if he's been a good man. I've also been known to get emotional during certain news stories that deal with veterans, kids, animals, or the elderly; but I've never cried over a tv character until now. Damn! Fucking Morrisey. I can never watch him in another role. Maybe im just overly emotional with all the damnsurgeries I've had recently. But im gonna miss Herschel.
Great episode though.
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Lily was so stupid. Why didn't she have her gun out sooner? Is she a lousy shot? Great episode. Poor Hershel
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Overall I enjoyed the episode, but there were a few things that annoyed me. Megan getting bitten and Lily not having a better control of the situation was pretty lame. Sure the zombie came up from the mud, but it might be a good idea to not sit around and daydream 200 feet away from her defenseless daughter. The kids showing up to save Tyrese by shooting was a HUGE groaner-scene, and the scene before that with the kids rallying themselves and talking about how they should kill stuff too. While I can understand the whole "lets take over the prison", it makes no sense for them to run down all the fences and blast down half the prison. Even if they managed to kill off all of Rick's group, the prison would almost be useless, since most of it would be destroyed.
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Awesome episode. I absolutely loved the reactions of Rick and Carl at the end once finding Judith's empty thingy. Emotional and well done.
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Awesome episode. I absolutely loved the reactions of Rick and Carl at the end once finding Judith's empty thingy. Emotional and well done.
Ummm....that's a car seat :lol, and that was pretty emotional.
Overall I enjoyed the episode, but there were a few things that annoyed me. Megan getting bitten and Lily not having a better control of the situation was pretty lame. Sure the zombie came up from the mud, but it might be a good idea to not sit around and daydream 200 feet away from her defenseless daughter.
Had similar sentiments expressed on last page:
Speaking of Lilly....in that world they live in how in the :censored do you allow your kid to play right next to a wood line, 100 foot from you? It's her own :censored fault her kid was eaten alive. Just retarded writing IMO. There's no friggin way your letting any kid just wander around. Ridiculous.
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FINALLY! Woot wooooooot! Awesome, amazing, incredible. My second favorite episode of the series, just behind Beside The Dying Fire and trumped CLEAR. That was some amazing storytelling of events that already almost occurred, yet it felt different and 'real' this time around. This is what I was hoping to see from Gimple, and it's nice that it's only the mid-season finale and we still have so much shit hitting the fan. I am so glad that the prison is absolutely destroyed. I was thinking perhaps they'd salvage it after an attack and they'd still end up being there at the finale but this is just perfect.
Beautiful episode. Great mix of zombie tension and downright gruesome action whilst getting the hell out of that prison. It's about damn time. I'm excited to see where they go with this. THE GOV IS DEAD! :metal
P.S. Mud-zombie is now my favorite zombie. But poor Meghan :'( A lot of awesomely horrific deaths this episode. That was nuts. I loved it. Interesting how they handled Judith. I'm wondering if they just pulled the punches with her death, or if this is their way of building tension until they find the kids with her and perhaps one of the older children got bit, thus the blood on the baby-seat.
I think this will be her 'death' and they'll find out from the kids, but I think it's just as likely that seeing Judith alive will be our one saving grace that the crew has gotten out 'okay' in the end since that one good thing was saved. They've already lost nearly everything. But that's The Walking Dead. You lose. Every time. Everything. So in the spirit of the comics and the series overall tone, I hope this is her death. Also let's face it, no more babies should be born until the virus is fixed. Unless you just want a psychotic child and you want to create this awesomely insane badass child that just kills everything like that little blond kid.
@Zant: You don't actually think that the Gov was still trying to 'take' the prison, do you? After Rick stated that either both of them lose the prison or they all stay, it was done; the Governor just wanted to kill all of them. The dipshit lemmings hardly had a mind of their own at that point, it wasn't their game from the start. Maybe they thought they'd salvage it, but everyone besides the pig-tailed girl was pretty much blind at that point. That's why we hear Gov say 'Liar' before killing Hershel. It was just about killing them, not even he wanted the prison at that point, otherwise he wouldn't have told the tank to light it up...
But yeah, Lilly is a dumb bitch. :rollin I'm kinda sad we didn't see her die. I thought the same thing while she was daydreaming at that one zombie in the river!! It's like she was thinking "Let's see if Brian was right...I'LL BET HE WAS WRONG THAT ZOMBIE IS TOTALLY GONNA CROSS THE RI-oh....what was that hun?". Psh. Good riddance, I hope they don't even show her after this and we just move on completely.
To everyone thinking it's ridiculous that Lilly let Meghan play away from her, out of site, half a football field away behind her... Do you just not accept that there's dumbfucks in TWD world? She's a dumb bitch. We all know that. That's that. She fell for a psychotic, sociopathic serial killer; and she just so happens to be a horrible parent. I don't know why that's a stretch. That's why we saw her starring at that zombie crossing the river for so long...she apparently thought that zombies only lived across the river in zombie-town, where all zombies reside. I don't friggin know...but clearly she was just a moronic air head. Done and done. I don't know why that's not believable though...there's millions of parents out there ten fold worse than that... They had to write them off somehow, and/or make the Gov suffer losses of his own. This was a great way to show that and push him over the edge while getting them out of the picture quickly.
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I agree that Lily was really stupid when it came to not being able to save her daughter, but I still thought it was awesome that she got to put that last bullet in the governors head. Loved that scene. After all, he kept promising to keep them all safe but he ended up leading them to their deaths.
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So you guys think we'll get to deal with that million-zombie-horde in the season finale?
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Glad the Governor's gone. Glad the prison arc is FINALLY over. Would love to see some more journeying around like in season 1, and now's the perfect opportunity for them to not get holed up somewhere else for another season and a half. Loved the CDC part of season 1 where we learned about the research on the walkers and wouldn't mind something similar to that which would progress the main story a bit.
It's been a little slow lately and I've almost found myself losing interest entirely to be honest, but that episode was just what I needed. I don't need it to be explosions and zombie killing all the time, but I feel like there's been way too much fluff recently. That scene with Carl and Rick at the end was great. And now we're done with the prison finally, lets move on. I just hope we don't have to wait until the season finale before anything else interesting happens.
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So you guys think we'll get to deal with that million-zombie-horde in the season finale?
Definitely, it's what I'm hoping for and it's what I think Gimple will use as the climax to all this inevitable running around in the aftermath of their destroyed home. It's what's going to lead them to leave this area entirely, I think; the thing to spur the real 'where next'?
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I thought, "Maybe he'll just shoot him." And then he got out the fuckin' sword. Then Hershel had enough energy to crawl away and thought, "Hey, a reprieve that Tyreese didn't get, maybe he'll have a sentimental end and some nice last words." And then The Governor turned around, sword still in hand. I'm curious as to how The Governor managed to beat Rick up with punch after punch despite getting shot in the arm, while Rick was shot in the leg (but was still able to charge him, apparently). And Lilly is fucktarded. But overall a good episode. Still waiting for Rick's group to really lose, though. They still won that battle - annihilated The Governor's whole camp of 20+ while losing Hershel, Judith (possibly, I'm still not sure) and what, only like 2 unknowns.
What I'm wondering is how the groups are going to converge. The comics had only two groups separated and one group knew where the other was at, and that place burnt down in the show. I think the groups are like this, correct me if I'm wrong -
Carl and Rick ran off somewhere
Where the fuck did Michonne go after stabbing The Governor?
Beth and Daryl also ran off
Maggie, Sasha, and Bob are either at the prison still or ran off (I think the latter, right?)
Tyreese and the kids are still at the prison (how is this going to work out?)
Glenn's on the bus
I know it's early for speculation, but I'm guessing The Governor's "family" are gonna run into one of those groups, probably Maggie's? Maybe even Rick and Carl's for dramatic purposes. It would also be a good time to reintroduce Carol. So many different directions - she could end up playing Michonne's role considering Episode 9 is supposed to be like Issue 49 and Issue 50 and the "closest thing to the comics yet" according to Kirkman, I believe. Rick will have to bring her back if she ends up saving him and Carl. Or how crazy would it be if she ended up going back to the prison to see Hershel and the Governor dead - and then ends up helping Tyreese and the kids escape the overrun prison? Considering Clara's zombified reappearance and the theme of the episode being that The Governor is too far gone, maybe Carol experiencing some kind of redemption can prove to Rick that you can "come back" from the things you've done?
And if Episode 9 is Carl's episode, and in Episode 10 we're getting Abraham's group... Thinking back to the radio transmission from a couple of episodes back regarding sanctuary, we're either going into the Hunters arc or skipping right to a certain setting far from Georgia.
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Yeah, the entire story line of the governor this season is that he tried to reinvent himself, and from the moment that he slaughtered his people until he met and made Meghan his surrogate daughter were all him living a lie. He was a sociopath of the highest order. He always has been his entire life. Running Woodbury gave him an opoprtunity to reinvent himself, at least for a little while; but he killed anyone he perceived as a threat to the lie he was constantly living. His comment of "Liar" before whacking Herschel wasn't meant for Rick, he was calling himself "liar". His true nature was he just wanted to kill them all. He had no intention of peacefully taking over the prison. He eiptomized the saying "Wolf in sheep's clothing."
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I really thought they were going to kill off Daryl last night. Got so fucking pumped for absolute chaos to ensue.
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Yeah, the entire story line of the governor this season is that he tried to reinvent himself, and from the moment that he slaughtered his people until he met and made Meghan his surrogate daughter were all him living a lie. He was a sociopath of the highest order. He always has been his entire life. Running Woodbury gave him an opoprtunity to reinvent himself, at least for a little while; but he killed anyone he perceived as a threat to the lie he was constantly living. His comment of "Liar" before whacking Herschel wasn't meant for Rick, he was calling himself "liar". His true nature was he just wanted to kill them all. He had no intention of peacefully taking over the prison. He eiptomized the saying "Wolf in sheep's clothing."
Agree 100%. I looked at my brother when he said 'liar' and told him he wasnt talking about Rick. Like you said...he tried to run from who he was, used a wife and daughter then the substitutes for them to try and pretend he wasn't who he was. But indeed the man was always a sociopath.
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I thought it was an okay episode. I'm tired and on my iPad. I'll elaborate more in the morning when I get on something with a keyboard. I'd give it a 6/10 overall.
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Things I liked
- The little girls not only shooting a zombie, but killing the human as well. Not only did they listen to Carol, but the saved the man that would probably want to break her neck.
- Michonne giving the governor a good final blow
- We are out of the prison
- Governor is gone
- Judith is missing
- The rat person is still at large
- The governor showing a Hershel a little decency by not allowing him to turn
Things I didn't like
- That Lilly shot the governor. I was really hoping we got to see him ripped to pieces by walkers
- Lilly letting her daughter play by herself while she just stares into the river
- The governor was able so easily convince a group of strangers to go ape shit on a bunch of other strangers (I know you can argue that's his persona, but I don't buy it)
- Daryl using the dead walker as a human shield. Those bullets would have torn through that rotting corpse.
- Hershel when out in a really lousy way. I was hoping he'd go out getting torn apart while saving Glenn or one of his girls
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Things I didn't like
- Lilly letting her daughter play by herself while she just stares into the river
don't quite understand this criticism. They spent almost an entire scene with the gov telling her how safe it was by the water, specifically where they had stopped. She even brought it up again later that he had told her so. So in her mind there was nothing to fear. Plus she and her family had been holed up for who knows how long and had not really experienced what it was like out in zombie-world for very long. Very inexperienced.
- Daryl using the dead walker as a human shield. Those bullets would have torn through that rotting corpse.
ha, yes, now this was laughable
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Things I didn't like
- Lilly letting her daughter play by herself while she just stares into the river
don't quite understand this criticism. They spent almost an entire scene with the gov telling her how safe it was by the water, specifically where they had stopped. She even brought it up again later that he had told her so. So in her mind there was nothing to fear. Plus she and her family had been holed up for who knows how long and had not really experienced what it was like out in zombie-world for very long. Very inexperienced.
I'd agree, but it's not like they were on a peninsula. Her daughter was playing literally at the edge of the woods. I thought it was a really poor/lazy way to kill off the daughter.
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Things I didn't like
- Lilly letting her daughter play by herself while she just stares into the river
don't quite understand this criticism. They spent almost an entire scene with the gov telling her how safe it was by the water, specifically where they had stopped. She even brought it up again later that he had told her so. So in her mind there was nothing to fear. Plus she and her family had been holed up for who knows how long and had not really experienced what it was like out in zombie-world for very long. Very inexperienced.
I'd agree, but it's not like they were on a peninsula. Her daughter was playing literally at the edge of the woods. I thought it was a really poor/lazy way to kill off the daughter.
Yeah. I get the Governor said they were at a safe spot and all, but c'mon. Even being cooped up inside doesn't allow for the negligent parenting there. She'd have had to be aware of the dangers. Heck, an episode before her daughter was attacked by a Walker in a protected camp. I agree with Chino that it was just a lazy way of killing her off. It was a 'neat' kill, the whole mud walker guy...but I'll attest that there is no friggin way....in "that" world, you're letting your child get/be tha far away from you.
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Who says it was even buckled in the first place? Other ones are great though.
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Things I didn't like
- Lilly letting her daughter play by herself while she just stares into the river
don't quite understand this criticism. They spent almost an entire scene with the gov telling her how safe it was by the water, specifically where they had stopped. She even brought it up again later that he had told her so. So in her mind there was nothing to fear. Plus she and her family had been holed up for who knows how long and had not really experienced what it was like out in zombie-world for very long. Very inexperienced.
I'd agree, but it's not like they were on a peninsula. Her daughter was playing literally at the edge of the woods. I thought it was a really poor/lazy way to kill off the daughter.
Yeah. I get the Governor said they were at a safe spot and all, but c'mon. Even being cooped up inside doesn't allow for the negligent parenting there. She'd have had to be aware of the dangers. Heck, an episode before her daughter was attacked by a Walker in a protected camp. I agree with Chino that it was just a lazy way of killing her off. It was a 'neat' kill, the whole mud walker guy...but I'll attest that there is no friggin way....in "that" world, you're letting your child get/be tha far away from you.
Especially seeing as two episode early their truck died and they literally were running through walker-infested woods. I'm sorry, but stuff like that really REALLY gets under my skin as a fan. Not to mention that I think the way she was delivered to the governor was lame too. Now if the child woke up in her mother's arms and did her in too, I probably would have lost all hope for this show.
I'm curious as to how Carol will come back into the picture. Now that the group is divided, someone is bound to run into her. My guess is that she will be the one to give Judith back to Rick and she'll be killed off shortly after that.
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Who says it was even buckled in the first place? Other ones are great though.
who do we know in the group that was injured and bloodied but still got away? Was it just Bob? My guess is that he scooped her up on the way out.
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I'm curious as to how Carol will come back into the picture. Now that the group is divided, someone is bound to run into her. My guess is that she will be the one to give Judith back to Rick and she'll be killed off shortly after that.
We're most certainly going to see Carol again. There's no way they just leave it the way they left it. Your theory could hold some merit or sure.
Given the familiarity with the location (and that Kirkman admitted in an interview i read that a lot of the second half of this season is taken straight from the comics)I'd bet the group will meet up at Hershals farm. There's a chance Carol may have found sanctuary there?
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Does anyone think Lily or Tara (is she still alive?) grabbed Judith?
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I don't think she was taken by some walker/biter/zombie, I'm guessing one of the kids rescued her.
Great episode by the way, easily the best from an otherwise pretty boring season IMHO.
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I don't think she was taken by some walker/biter/zombie, I'm guessing one of the kids rescued her.
Great episode by the way, easily the best from an otherwise pretty boring season IMHO.
Zydar brings up an interesting issue with this program. We all poke holes in the show when issues arise that seem inconsistent or just plain odd but what bothers me the most is no one, ever, calls the zombies zombies. Why? If there really was some virus that could animate dead bodies and re-fire-up the parts of the brain to make them walk and eat, we would all call them zombies! Everyone of us!
Does anyone know why the writers do this?
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It helps emphasize how separated the human race is becoming. It's almost like they are developing different languages again. It's a way to identify who is part of which group. Some say "walkers", "others say "biters", etc... I know there were a few more terms thrown around, but I can't remember them.
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I've read a couple articles the past few days that were written about TWD.....clearly by people who's only knowledge of the show may come from the TV show, but more likely comes from what they've read somewhere else.
The largest complaint is that TWD is now like LOST....that these people are going to wander around now to run into one another periodically and have no direction. I guess they've never read the comics to know (that IF done right) there is such a cool story to tell with many more interesting characters.
There was the complaint that most of us have had....that everything that happened this first half of the season could have happened last season, especially the final confrontation...but for the most part the majority of the opinions couldn't believe the group is now scattered.
Anyway....whatever.
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If the group had an emergency escape plan (bus) wouldn't they also have n eemergency meet up spot if seperated?
I know as a kid when you go on field trips they say if we get seperated then meet here. I would have thought they'd do the same.
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If the group had an emergency escape plan (bus) wouldn't they also have n eemergency meet up spot if seperated?.
I'd be willing to be 'yes'. That bus is going somewhere....it s not just blindly driving off. The folks on foot will just take a bit to get there, that's all.
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Seeing Bob holding that box when Maggie was speaking with him pretty much sealed my guess as to who was feeding the Walkers rats and who splayed open that rabbit or whatever it was. I'm thinking there were a couple rats...or a dead rat, something odd in that box. I think that is one sicko of a dude there.....and when he eluded to drinking 'when it's quiet' could have been to drown out whatever 'demons' are whispering in his ear to do those sick things.
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im glad this governor stuff is finally over. i always felt the writers/actor just tried too hard to make him some iconic villain. just lame and predictable in the end
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im glad this governor stuff is finally over. i always felt the writers/actor just tried too hard to make him some iconic villain. just lame and predictable in the end
I think the villain that Rick is up against at this point in the comic is iconic....and I cannot wait to see who they cast as that villain. I really hope they can at least capture half of how friggin awesome that villain is. Even in the comics where the Governor was way more sadistic and psychotic this next Villain makes that Governor look like a sweet Kindergarten teacher.
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im glad this governor stuff is finally over. i always felt the writers/actor just tried too hard to make him some iconic villain. just lame and predictable in the end
I think the villain that Rick is up against at this point in the comic is iconic....and I cannot wait to see who they cast as that villain. I really hope they can at least capture half of how friggin awesome that villain is. Even in the comics where the Governor was way more sadistic and psychotic this next Villain makes that Governor look like a sweet Kindergarten teacher.
I dunno man. The Governor cuts the most important character's hand off pretty much right after he's introduced, brutally rapes another character several times, and then kills like 5 major characters in a row within like 20 pages. The current villain was introduced in a pretty terrifying and devastatingly evil way, but since then he hasn't done anything nearly as evil. No way The Governor would have let Carl go, much less attempt to have a heart to heart with him. The current villain said, very adamantly, in the most recent issue "We don't rape", which alone makes him far less worse. I will say that the suspense of a character who can be just as noble as psychotic is what makes him so rad for me, but I wouldn't say he has anything on the comic book Gov yet.
I'm worried about how he will be portrayed in the show. He won't be able to say things like, "Fuckless fuck on free fuck day.", which pretty sums up his dialogue as a whole lol.
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im glad this governor stuff is finally over. i always felt the writers/actor just tried too hard to make him some iconic villain. just lame and predictable in the end
I think the villain that Rick is up against at this point in the comic is iconic....and I cannot wait to see who they cast as that villain. I really hope they can at least capture half of how friggin awesome that villain is. Even in the comics where the Governor was way more sadistic and psychotic this next Villain makes that Governor look like a sweet Kindergarten teacher.
I dunno man. The Governor cuts the most important character's hand off pretty much right after he's introduced, brutally rapes another character several times, and then kills like 5 major characters in a row within like 20 pages. The current villain was introduced in a pretty terrifying and devastatingly evil way, but since then he hasn't done anything nearly as evil. No way The Governor would have let Carl go, much less attempt to have a heart to heart with him. The current villain said, very adamantly, in the most recent issue "We don't rape", which alone makes him far less worse. I will say that the suspense of a character who can be just as noble as psychotic is what makes him so rad for me, but I wouldn't say he has anything on the comic book Gov yet.
I'm worried about how he will be portrayed in the show. He won't be able to say things like, "Fuckless fuck on free fuck day.", which pretty sums up his dialogue as a whole lol.
Good point(s). I just like his 'style' more....it's as if he is what the Governor wanted to be. He's in control...in a systematic way, using fear and force....and even the things he doesn't do like rape and the compassion he has shown like allowing Carl to live is a form of control that the Governor could never have accomplished. He can get away with it because he's confident enough to know that even if he doesn't 'technically' rape a woman he's still going to nail her....but just trick her into thinking its her idea. He wasn't scared to let Carl go because he knows he has his foot on the neck of everyone and there's really nothing anyone can do about it.
And you're right, the TV version is going to need a new 'tag' word because the "F" bomb every other word obviously won't cut it.
My choices to play him would be:
- The Rock. He's perfect IMO
- Stone Cold Steve Austin
- Henry Rollins
- and maybe Vin Deisel
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Very good point, he's in complete control of himself, something hard to say for either Governor. Being both mentally stable and ultra-violent is a frightening combination.
If your 3rd choice ends up portraying the character, it would be the single greatest thing in the history of things.
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If your 3rd choice ends up portraying the character, it would be the single greatest thing in the history of things.
I actually think he's the perfect candidate/actor for that role. Plus, he's not such a 'big star' to where it'd be impossible to afford him.
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i don't read the comics but i'm not very excited about another villain. i know they don't explain the virus at all, but do they do anything about it? or is it just gonna be rick's crew vs. another bad guy for the rest of the series? jeez
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Well in all honesty, what can you expect them to do about it?
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i'd be happy with anything. some update on the world, maybe run into another scientist like the CDC guy. not all that excited about yet another conflict with the next 'bad guy'
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i'd be happy with anything. some update on the world, maybe run into another scientist like the CDC guy. not all that excited about yet another conflict with the next 'bad guy'
It's not immediate. Given the way the show progresses its at least all of season 5 away from even happening....possibly season six. There is a significant space of time between the Governor and the next villain, well maybe not 'time' per say but there is an entire new scenario that I can see the show easily spending a season on.
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The next few episodes should be following the comic. They do deal with the virus and the outside world... in a way. You'll like episode 10 of the season in particular, since we're getting those characters.
Also, The Governor dies before issue 50 in the comic book. They're at 117 right now. The next major villain wasn't introduced until last year, a little more than 4 years after The Governor's death. There are a few "bad guys", but nothing on the levels of the these two. More comparable to the prisoners if anything.
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Having never read the comics, I wouldn't mind them spending time on another group.
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Having never read the comics, I wouldn't mind them spending time on another group.
Having read the comics....I know there is great potential and story there to make an incredible run on the show. Cool characters and some neat instances AND a pretty interesting scenario that could be great. Curious as to how they do the upcoming seasons.
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As some of you mentioned prior, the group may have had a backup plan of where they could go for safety. The bus does have to head somewhere. Anyone think it's possible that Carol is already there once they arrive? She would have known about it.
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As some of you mentioned prior, the group may have had a backup plan of where they could go for safety. The bus does have to head somewhere. Anyone think it's possible that Carol is already there once they arrive? She would have known about it.
I'm curious as to how Carol will come back into the picture. Now that the group is divided, someone is bound to run into her. My guess is that she will be the one to give Judith back to Rick and she'll be killed off shortly after that.
We're most certainly going to see Carol again. There's no way they just leave it the way they left it. Your theory could hold some merit or sure.
Given the familiarity with the location (and that Kirkman admitted in an interview i read that a lot of the second half of this season is taken straight from the comics)I'd bet the group will meet up at Hershals farm. There's a chance Carol may have found sanctuary there?
Yep. I think she's at Hershals Farm.
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I thought the farm burned down at the end of season 2? Could be my memory that's messed up though.
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The barn burned down, but the house was still intact.
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Ah, that's right.
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It was great to see that child got bitten and killed!
(holy shit, That's a sentence I didn't think I'd ever say!)
That was so "depressing" to see. The Governor shooting her.
The thing I like about The Walking Dead is that they have balls to show something like that.
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Ballsy would have been if they showed the zombie tearing her intestines out while she screamed and threw up blood.
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While playing Eaten by Bloodbath.
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That was so "depressing" to see. The Governor shooting her.
The depressing part for me with that scene was the fact that the guns slide did not expel the fired bullet cartridge...it did not move at all. That model gun has a slide and an expended round should have either nailed the governor in the face or the cameras lens.
I've noticed that a lot in the scenes they discharge weapons. A lot of special effect 'fire' bursts and noise. But, it was cool to see them using live blanks with that assault rifle Daryl was railing with.
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That was so "depressing" to see. The Governor shooting her.
The depressing part for me with that scene was the fact that the guns slide did not expel the fired bullet cartridge...it did not move at all. That model gun has a slide and an expended round should have either nailed the governor in the face or the cameras lens.
I've noticed that a lot in the scenes they discharge weapons. A lot of special effect 'fire' bursts and noise. But, it was cool to see them using live blanks with that assault rifle Daryl was railing with.
The first thing that came to my mind was "Well, the governor is now deaf". :lol
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That was so "depressing" to see. The Governor shooting her.
The depressing part for me with that scene was the fact that the guns slide did not expel the fired bullet cartridge...it did not move at all. That model gun has a slide and an expended round should have either nailed the governor in the face or the cameras lens.
I've noticed that a lot in the scenes they discharge weapons. A lot of special effect 'fire' bursts and noise. But, it was cool to see them using live blanks with that assault rifle Daryl was railing with.
The first thing that came to my mind was "Well, the governor is now deaf". :lol
Yeah no kidding! That was at minimum a 9mm weapon, I didn't see the exact make/model but it was closer to a .45's size. Fired from within a foot of his left ear :Rollin it's no wonder he didn't hear Michonne sneak up on him.
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That was so "depressing" to see. The Governor shooting her.
The depressing part for me with that scene was the fact that the guns slide did not expel the fired bullet cartridge...it did not move at all. That model gun has a slide and an expended round should have either nailed the governor in the face or the cameras lens.
I've noticed that a lot in the scenes they discharge weapons. A lot of special effect 'fire' bursts and noise. But, it was cool to see them using live blanks with that assault rifle Daryl was railing with.
The first thing that came to my mind was "Well, the governor is now deaf". :lol
Yeah no kidding! That was at minimum a 9mm weapon, I didn't see the exact make/model but it was closer to a .45's size. Fired from within a foot of his left ear :Rollin it's no wonder he didn't hear Michonne sneak up on him.
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Looks way bigger than a 9mm, and closer than a foot :lol :lol
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Really, they should all be deaf by now with the amount of gun fire throughout the series so far.
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They do it in every movie and show, though. I was actually very pleased in the first episode when Rick fired it in the tank and went deaf for a minute. But yeah by now they shouldn't be able to hear a thing.
I remember the one time I fired a gun without earmuffs on... I never want to experience it again :p
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I just saw a buddy of mine post this thought on FB and I lol'd too hard.
To paraphrase, " The Walking Dead is totally unrealistic if Georgia can survive a zombie apocalypse but not an inch of snow." :lol
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What about Dead Snow: Georgia?
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I just saw a buddy of mine post this thought on FB and I lol'd too hard.
To paraphrase, " The Walking Dead is totally unrealistic if Georgia can survive a zombie apocalypse but not an inch of snow." :lol
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Great opening! Poor Herschel!
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I bet Carl runs into Carol.
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So, every time Rick gets shot he goes into a temporary coma. That's nice.
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That was a pretty weak episode..
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Agreed. The only thing that happened was that we found out who the pets were that Michonne had when we first met her. And that Carl is still a little angry shit.
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That was a pretty weak episode..
I liked it. unlike in seasons past, they wrapped up Carls delusion that he'd be fine without anyone and better off on his own in one episode....in such a way the he and Rick will now be closer than ever. He realized he does love and need his Father. Carl had every right to be as angry as he was when he told Rick off as he had just been through some pretty traumatizing events. and it's good that he almost died twice while on his own. That'll "tame" him a bit.
The backstory on Michonne confirmed what was alluded to when she was scared to hold Judith....that she has lost a child and that she put her lover and friend out of their misery at one point, very emotionally traumatizing. And, although she wanted to 'run' and be on her own while walking with the walkers she realized 'the answer' and quickly tracked down Rick and Carl.
I like the 'psychological' theme of the episode and suspect the remaining episodes will be the same with a bit of action sprinkled in.....which will be fine by me.
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I absolutely loved it. Yeah, there was little actual plot progression, but much of TWD, even in the comics, is about atmosphere, tension, an all around symbolism. It showed us that while Carl is in fact now a man capable of survival on his own, it wouldn't be for long; (almost) no one survives for long on their own in this world. I enjoyed the reveal of Michonne's core of insanity (/flashback) and hallucination scenes, showing what small humanity is left in her. She is a complete monster, and one of the only ones that would probably be okay on her own; yet she herself craves comfort in humanity. I really liked that aspect. Carl and Rick are having a tough time surviving together, and she found a way to do it with relative ease by her lonesome, yet decided on her own to destroy the zombie convoy that was protecting her so that she could go back to those footprints that knew would lead to Rick/Carl and/or other humans (but no doubt guessed that the cowboy-boot prints were one of theirs).
I really liked it and I'm looking forward to the rest of the season as well as a look at the others survival and if Judith survived or if they are going to cop out with an off-screen death for the beh-beh. I enjoy these character-driven episodes that, while not progressing the plot per se, does a lot to develop the characters themselves and progress their story. Much like CLEAR, this is going to be one of my favorite episodes, no doubt. The slow, crawling tension throughout was absolutely beautiful and so far Gimple is living up to his word in that he'll make the show more like the comics. He's got plenty of leeway to progress the story before the end of the season; I have no problem at all with him taking some time to indulge in the atmospherics of what is The Walking Dead...as in the humans that have survived by becoming something so much worse than a reanimated corpse.
I have a feeling they'll show the other kids with Judith sooner or later, perhaps at the penultimate/season finale episode(s). It'd be a pity to have one of the most innocent characters killed off in such an unemotional, standard fashion. REVEL IN THE DEATH. :corn :heart :heart
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I can buy into all of the positive stuff about the episode that you guys are talking about, but the way that Rick's character was written was terrible in my opinion. Sure, he was worn out and physically exhausted, but to lay there practically in a coma while Carl was screaming at him and the zombies were scratching at the door was very poor writing in my opinion.
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Then you've got no clue at how a truly exhausted (read: completely an utterly incapacitated) person reacts whilst in a slumber.
Take no offense, ignorance isn't a bad thing, it just is what it is. But for people to react the way they're reacting (I also visit a certain TWD forum, so this isn't directly completely at you alone) over such a thing is awesomely illuminating. Like they showed a fucking dinosaur in the show or something. It isn't unrealistic, it isn't ridiculous, and it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility. You can only relate to what you've experienced in life, and clearly many people haven't seen a down-and-out person truly sleep. You could drag them up by their feet and attempt to make them walk, drop them dead on the floor and they'd still not wake. I've both seen it and done it; so I could believe it. Apparently a shitload of people haven't so...yeah, it seems ridiculous.
Also a lot of people think that Santa Claus (and other ethereal beings) is real so...y'know...it's all relative to one's life. It's whatever.
Oh...and I don't know if you guys know but they show FUCKING ZOMBIES in this show so...the nitpicking is kind of ridiculous when it comes to realistic shit. I mean really. Pick something more prominent to bitch over...like dead people coming back to life.
/not directed at you specifically, Power Slave, but in general. You just lit the (very drunken) fuse. Jesus fucking cunt, people's oversights are miraculous...it's like bitching that it's raining and that you're getting wet while an umbrella sits next to you. ZOMBIES, DUDE. WHY NOT BITCH ABOUT THE ZOMBIES!? HOLY SHIT. I'll tell you why, cause they force people to accept that it's fantasy. But people can't accept that a person that's just had the life beaten out of him, bones broken, internal organs seeping blood, can't sleep through a boy shaking him!? WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWUT?
Again, not directed specifically at you, PS. More in line with my own friends bitching while the episode was going on and much more than that (the fact that Carl survived the 'zombie pile-up' even though they said jack-shit when it happened to Rick early on in the show...etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) People are fucking short-sighted, and that includes me, mind you. :yeahright :yarr
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I don't know, when I'm drunk I can't type for shit.
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K. :smiley:
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On 2nd thought, I deleted my post. Have fun attacking differing opinions.
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Dude....Tio....you gotta :chill . First off...it's just a show, and second.....people like different aspects of this particular show so when someones not getting thier fill of that aspect they're probably going to be upset about it.
I thought it was kind of neat to how Rick had to remind Carl in the roadside restaurant not to just go off shooting non stop because bullets were precious.....and then as he went out on his own he was firing away non stop like he had an endless supply, which...put him in the position of really needing at least (1) extra bullet when that walker almost got em' in the house.
I thought they did a good job at writing Carl's part and that Chandler Riggs did a great job acting like a kid who was 'sewing' his oats a bit.
As far as Rick not waking up when being shaken.....the dude was literally three seconds away from being strangled to death....had been shot in the leg and most likely lost a lot of blood....probably concussed....emotionally raped.....and not only did the battle tax him physically just the time in the prison as well. Once his head hit the pillow I'm sure his body said "guess what....you aren't waking up for a bit.....time for some repairs" I didn't think it was that hard to believe. Plus, that and the ending when Carl almost shot him were STRAIGHT out of the comic and executed very well I might add. Very emotional.
Oh and.....even though everyone knew it was coming.....for the first time in the series and in any movie in a long time I jumped and was startled when Carl opened that door in the upstairs of that home and that walker burst through. I knew it was coming.....still jumped. :lol
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I was pretty hammered (read: absolutely gone), my bad for going all gung-ho on ya. :lol I'm actually pretty impressed at how well I type when I'm drunk.... Sorry duder!
Though I do still think it's a bit odd to nit-pick such things... Eh, to each their own.
That said, I'm rewatching the episode and still love the hell out of it. I really like the 'roaming the desolate zombie wasteland' schtick they've got; the show is just so much better when they're roaming and not stuck in one place. Don't get me wrong, I still liked the prison arc fine, but it's a lot more tension and edge-of-your-seat when you don't know what's around the next corner.
Oh and I cannot wait till that unimaginably humongous horde eventually catches up with everyone.
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Liked the episode, not the best but a perfectly solid season return. I have to admit I actually sort of fell for the fake dead Rick for a little bit. Having not read the comics and knowing that it's sort of "in" to do shocking character deaths on TV right now I was almost about to buy it for a while.
Oh and.....even though everyone knew it was coming.....for the first time in the series and in any movie in a long time I jumped and was startled when Carl opened that door in the upstairs of that home and that walker burst through. I knew it was coming.....still jumped. :lol
Oh absolutely, very transparent, but jumped all the same.. Even said "oh come on!" to myself out loud, haha.
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The only reason I didn't jump is because right when he was opening it, I was talking to the TV saying that it was the only door closed...course there's gonna be a walker in there! Beh, I like that Carl is a little badass but is still clearly very much a child...and it's good he admitted it later on when he couldn't pull the trigger when he thought Rick had turned (good thing, too!). I really like Riggs' acting and he's come a long way from the beginning.
That said, I'm more than excited to see more of him and Rick/Michonne on their own. I really wonder how they'll all meet up, if they'll just make it coincidence and pure dumb luck, or if there's going to be a sort of searching/leaving clues for an episode or two.
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So..
ABRAHAM
FUCK YES
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Great exposition! Next week looks amazing.
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So that's the guy people were talking about wanting.
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I love, love, loooved last week's episode because it was so focused and, impossibly, redeemed Carl.
This week's was good, and fuck yes Abraham is finally here!
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So..
ABRAHAM
FUCK YES
and fuck yes Abraham is finally here!
Yes! I just hope and pray they don't jack up his character like they did Tyrese..I have Faith in Gimple though that he will develop Abraham into a bad a$$ character.
And, I don't know if I'm going to be able to focus when Rosita has a scene with those pig tails :omg:
I guess I'm glad that Judith is still around? I was kind of hoping they'd have grown a pair and had her killed off as she was in comic book land but I understand why she's still around.
Lizzie is one sick, twisted little girl and I'd be willing to bet that Carl ends up killing her like he did that kid in the comics.
Side note:
My brother read online that unlike most of the characters and intellectual property of The Walking Dead that is 'owned' by Kirkman......AMC owns the rights to the Dixon characters. That's why they have the video game and would see to pretty much suggest that Daryl ain't going to be killed off anytime soon. I personally would off him this season, but I doubt AMC would 'allow' that at this point.
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You kidding?! Darryl's the most popular character on the show. I think people would actually stop watching if he got the axe
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You kidding?! Darryl's the most popular character on the show. I think people would actually stop watching if he got the axe
To clarify: I like the character Daryl A LOT!! But I like the comic even more and the underlying theme of the comic has been there are only (2) people that are "safe"....Rick and Carl. This story really is a 'father and son' story. The actions a Father will take to protect his son and a how a young kid basically has to grow up overnight and the ebbs and flows of this now non-typical Father/Son relationship. Every other character is essentially on borrowed time and Kirkman kills them off accordingly in the comic. I mean heck, Daryl is essentially the Tyrese character from the comics by the way he has been developed and the importance he's played to the group....and Tyrese was beheaded by the Governor in the comics, so....I just think it's time for a shake up.
My issue with Daryl in the TV show is that his character has become 'bigger' than Rick or even Carl and has reached that 'safe' zone. I think if AMC wanted to show some 'Game of Thrones' type balls.....they'd have Daryl killed off. It'd open up more time they could invest in developing Abraham properly, because he's a HUGE and important character in the Comic and as is apparent by the way Gimple has crafted this season.....he's leaning toward returning the series to the comic book base that Mazzera brutally side tracked them from. In fact, an article I read online essentially said Mazerra was fired because he deviated so far off the comic book blue print. I like how Gimple has righted the ship so to speak and has had multiple instances of 'straight from the comic' moments. 'After' was straight from the comic book and Abrahams reveal scene last night was literally a page out of the comics.
I like Daryl....but I think his character has run its course considering the characters that are to come. Give him a heros exit....some sort of sacrificial death and let that be that OR figure out a way to seperate him from the group completely with no chance of reuniting and make him the center of the spinn off series?
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I'd hate to see Daryl go.
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lol who let you back in?
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I'm with Gary on this one. After last night's episode I think it's time for Daryl to get gnawed on...maybe even in some random, accidental, completely unsatisfying way. Shit happens and this show sometimes forgets to shock us with that fact.
Daryl's story arch is complete IMO. He started out as reluctant group member with mysterious motivations. An outsider. His progress to important leader and enthusiastic hero was gradual and believable. But what did all that get him? A busted community and dead or missing people he cared for. It's either time for him to say 'piss on this' and be a lone survivor wandering the wilderness or have some horrible accident that the others can commiserate over.
:)
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Thing is, there are very few characters outside of Daryl that are actually interesting to watch, unless this Abraham character turns out to be one. So many of the scenes with recently introduced characters are boring to watch.
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Once Rick starts becoming a badass again, then I'll allow Darryl to leave. As it stands right now, Rick is too much of a little bitch right now
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Thing is, there are very few characters outside of Daryl that are actually interesting to watch, unless this Abraham character turns out to be one. So many of the scenes with recently introduced characters are boring to watch.
If Gimple can create the character from the comic then Abraham IMO would become a fan favorite as well. After watching Mazerra destroy Tyrese's character.....I really do hope they can accurately depict Abraham as he is in the comics being that he plays such a vital role in them. Who knows, maybe he won't be as important in the TV show but I at least have confidence in Gimple to adapt him correctly where as I had none in Mazerra.
The show whether intentionally or not screwed up Andrea's character because cominc book Andrea is a complete 180 of what TV Andrea was. She's a friggn' hard as nails assasin basically and Ricks second hand 'man' at all times. I have no idea why her character became so spayed and relegated to the level of un-importance she was in the TV show. It's a shame really. On the other hand I prefer TV show Maggie over the comic book character....they're both whiny and annoying but at least in the TV show she can fight.
Once Rick starts becoming a badass again, then I'll allow Darryl to leave. As it stands right now, Rick is too much of a little bitch right now
I would think by seasons end Rick will have surpassed his prior badassness and brought it to a whole new level. At least, that's the progression I hope for and think they are taking him to.
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I didn't really like this episode. There was a bit too much cheesy dialogue and narration (especially narration).
Also, watching this show from the beginning with my dad. Holy crap this was a different show in season 1.
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I didn't really like this episode. There was a bit too much cheesy dialogue and narration (especially narration).
Also, watching this show from the beginning with my dad. Holy crap this was a different show in season 1.
Yeah, the first Season was pretty awesome. They had the original showrunner Frank Darabont who adapted the show perfectly from the comics....had a great sense of what the show should 'be' and it was great! It's a shame he was basically dumped and forced out because of him being so vocal and critical of AMC cutting the budget to appease the Mad Men demands.
I've enjoyed the opening two episodes of the second half. There was a point where everything that's been covered in those two episodes would have taken 6 or 7 episodes to cover when Mazerra was busy dragging everything out and 'wandering' around the storyline. I thought the narration 'fit' being that Beth was so optimistic....it gave some insight as to why.
From the looks of it Tyrese, Carol and the kids will hook up with Daryl and Beth being that they are both on the tracks, Glenn and Maggie and thier corresponding cast will most likely meet up since they are on the road near the same spot. Carl, Rick and Michonne? Who knows who they'll run into first. I'd guess Abraham/Glenn just because that road has to lead to a town, unless the train tracks run through that town then maybe its the other group(s).
I read here that a few people aren't too thrilled with the season but I have enjoyed it and think Gimple has done a good job getting it back on track and moving it along. After watching his effort thus far this season compared to Mazerra's.....it's pretty evident Gimple has a much better idea of how to tell this story.
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I hope they run into that massive herd again at some point.
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I hope they run into that massive herd again at some point.
Have you read the comic?
Semi Spoiler Alert:
Because Rick, Abraham and Carl do run into that herd returning back to the group at one point.....on the highway......
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I hope they run into that massive herd again at some point.
Have you read the comic?
Semi Spoiler Alert:
Because Rick, Abraham and Carl do run into that herd returning back to the group at one point.....on the highway......
No, but cool beans.
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I didn't really like this episode. There was a bit too much cheesy dialogue and narration (especially narration).
Also, watching this show from the beginning with my dad. Holy crap this was a different show in season 1.
I enjoyed the episode overall, but felt it was the weaker of the latter-half-season openers; but I expected it would be an exposition 'here's where they are' episode ending with ole Abie. But Maggie and Glenn's meandering and weeping kind of got annoying; it didn't feel so much as character development as it did killing time. Though I didn't dislike it, it just dragged a bit too much. I'm really excited to see where they go with Abraham and co. and how the story will progress from here on out; it looks like from this point on will be developing the overarching plot that was so lost on Mazzara...and for that, I am giddy. Good stuff though, some cool zombie kills and I was actually glad to see that the 'lil bullshitter girl was still alive and saved by Glenn.
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I really hope the remainder of the kids are eaten soon. I despise child actors.
Also, for fucks sake Emily Kinney, learn how to fake cry. The only actor that has got me teary eyed when he cried was Norman Reedus. Everyone else isn't believable at all, especially Andrew Lincoln.
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I don't know how you couldn't feel for Rick when he was balling over Lori's death, I thought that was very well acted. But I couldn't agree more on the child actor's, I absolutely despise that chubby little shit, whatever her name is, that ran whenever crows came out of the brush; and don't get me started on the god damn baby-killer psycho. Ugh. They do need to die, either that or Lizzie needs to be outed as a psycho and they contain and/or help her out with the psychosis...WITH A PRESCRIPTION OF BULLETS! PSSHHHHH! No but really, it'd all be cool if the actors were better but...they're just not up to par. It's not a huge deal to me since they're going to be dead sooner or later and they don't have a big part in the show, but when I see them I feel like the time is wasted.
The other crying in the episode was well acted, but I didn't feel for them at all so I didn't think much of it. After all they've been through and all that they've endured, I didn't really feel that their crying was as genuine, but the crying itself felt real and it didn't look forced to me, especially Glenn. But I hate watching Maggie whenever she's whiny anyway so... Eh. Kinney is about the same unless she's in badass mode.
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The older girl is kind of badass, with, you know, choking a baby. Uh.
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*suffocating
:P
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With a neck so small gurl it's all the same
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I miss thesilkymilk.
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I don't know how you couldn't feel for Rick when he was balling over Lori's death,
Because he looked like this:
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O...kay...? Most people look ridiculous whenever they cry.
Whatevs.
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I'm not the only one who thought that scene and the acting was poorly done. In fact, I almost laughed. Not good.
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K. I'm not sure what more people thinking that has to do with anything...but right-o.
I thought differently and felt for him. Thus the circle of assholes and opinions is complete. So now we end this conversation. Yay.
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So witty. So chic.
So Rick.
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You've never seen Laura Dern cry, have you? Lincoln did well
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I'm man enough to say I cried when Lori died. I thought it was well-acted, or at least well-acted enough.
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I was not a huge fan of the last episode. Found it fairly boring and I hope that isn't due to the fact that it focused mostly on newer characters. I just felt no emotion towards anyone other than Daryl who was pretty out of it and therefore maybe I was out of it too. I understand it progressed the story of the different separated groups, but I felt bored overall. It was a struggle for me to stay up and not fall asleep. I hope these first two episodes were just building towards something bigger with a story arc that works for the rest of the season.
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I actually haven't had any real complaints with these two recent episodes. The only bad thing I can think of is when Carl's yells at Rick, without any emotion at all. I kept thinking to myself: "Now Chandler, this time with emotion!"
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I actually haven't had any real complaints with these two recent episodes.
Nor have I because I know had Mazzerra still been running the show he'd have taken 4 episodes to do what they did in the first episode, and then 4 more to do what they did in the second episode and his big 'cliffhanger' for season 4 would have been Abraham showing up.
The second episode was the weaker of the two but with that being said I still think they did a good job of 'rounding up' the prison survivors and getting the second half moving along. I really don't see how they could have done anything different than they did?
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Yea I'm not sure how they could pull everyone back together without showing how each group survived but I still found the last episode boring and I think it had more to do with the characters featured.
I am very surprised that no one has talked about having a planned place to meet in an emergency. I would of expected that to be a basic survival idea for these people.
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That would be too easy. Wouldn't be a six episode story arc then. :\ :biggrin:
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Yeah, I was so sure someone was going to mention having to reach the emergency meet up point. But I guess there isn't one. :-\
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Yeah, I was so sure someone was going to mention having to reach the emergency meet up point. But I guess there isn't one. :-\
It's been a good year since I read the prison battle and subsequent actions of the survivors in the comic.....but I seem to recall that they had a plan, it was to fall back and meet ant Hershal's farm......which they did and that's where Abraham and his crew found them.
It'd only 'make sense' to have a plan like that.....which is why they apparently don't :lol
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This is how I look at it.
In the comics, they presumed the Governor was dead after Rick & co. escaped Woodbury. But when they returned to the prison they suspected that the Woodburians might possibly attack them at the prison. They planned to meet up at the farm in case the shit hit the fan.
In the show, they don't know if the Governor was dead or not after the S3 finale. But he slaughtered all of his troops and all the remaining Woodburians went to the prison. They didn't see the Gov. as much of a threat after that. Thus, they felt safer and probably didn't see the need for a rendezvous point if the shit hit the fan because they felt safe. Perhaps a bit too safe.
Which is kind of a big theme this season. No matter what you do in this world, you are never truly safe. Something is always there to kill you whether it be walkers, the Gov. or a disease.
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In the comics, they presumed the Governor was dead after Rick & co. escaped Woodbury. But when they returned to the prison they suspected that the Woodburians might possibly attack them at the prison. They planned to meet up at the farm in case the shit hit the fan.
In the comics, they don't know if the Governor was dead or not after the S3 finale. But he slaughtered all of his troops and all the remaining Woodburians went to the prison. They didn't see the Gov. as much of a threat after that. Thus, they felt safer and probably didn't see the need for a rendezvous point if the shit hit the fan because they felt safe.
Very good point. They were two different scenarios.
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Fantastic episode last night. It had exactly what I want from this show, TENSION, precisely what made the very first episode so great. Not throwing cheap zombie jump scares at you and relying on tension instead is far more unnerving.
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What I thought was fantastic: Michonne going through the children's bedrooms on the upper floor of that house. Very tense and they allowed the viewer's anxiety propel the scene.
Rick escaping the home invasion! I was squirming in my easy chair.
The look on Carl's face when Michonne squirted the crazy cheese in her mouth. :lol
What I thought was off: All of the Glen/Abraham scenes. The cause of the zombie apocalypse is classified? ??? From who?
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I liked the 'escape' as well. Pretty neat....and I liked how Rick opened the bathroom door for when the guy he just killed turned to a Walker it'd go out and look for some food :lol
I'm wondering if there was any importance placed on that group of men at the house? The actor they did show on the porch isn't super popular but he's been in some movies/TV shows as minor characters......curious as to if they will run into them again or if that was just a one off type deal?
I like how Michonee helped Carl deal with losing Judith. Kind of like.....hey, I lost a son...and look how strong I am now...really neat.
What I thought was off: All of the Glen/Abraham scenes. The cause of the zombie apocalypse is classified? ??? From who?
Yeah, I'm a bit nervous after those scenes that they aren't going to jack up Abraham's character as well. I mean, all in all they were pretty much like the comic characters but I hope that Abraham is a bit more dynamic as he meets the group. Rositta.... :tup
Not throwing cheap zombie jump scares at you and relying on tension instead is far more unnerving.
I'm glad they didn't have a kid walker or whatever jump out at Michonne once she entered that room. In fact, it was much more disturbing and haunting what she found rather than some 'jump scare' like you said.
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Definitely the best episode of this half of the season. The rick scenes were great. I got to think those guys will play a role in the future since they made it clear that the one guy who was sleeping first saw rick and although got strangled, was still alive. Id think those guys will come back searching for them or maybe it'll turn out they are members of the new community everyone is heading towards.
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The rick scenes were great. I got to think those guys will play a role in the future since they made it clear that the one guy who was sleeping first saw rick and although got strangled, was still alive. Id think those guys will come back searching for them or maybe it'll turn out they are members of the new community everyone is heading towards.
Going to talk comics with some possible SPOILERS so read at your own peril:
I'm curious as to which 'safe town' they are traveling to? Could it be Alexandria? Or is it the 'Hill'? Then again, Negan's 'city' was essentially an old industrial complex....much like that could be found near railroad tracks, so....would they skip the whole Alexandria community and Hill and go straight into running into Negan's "Saviors"? I don't see how they could alter the story and eliminate Alexandria. It's a vital piece and plus....much like the prison it'd give the producers a set to work on for some time rather than constantly moving. The guys that Rick escaped from could have been from Negan's Saviors....could have been just random dudes as well.
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I'm surprised that glenn is so clean shaven and that abraham is able to maintain such a perfect handlebar moustache in the midst of the zombie apocalypse. I'd think they some serious scruff going on by now.
Otherwise, I really enjoyed this episode. But if that mullet dude is a scientist than I'm LeBron James. "It's classified," my ass. Nothing is classified in the zombie apocalpyse. He's so full of shit.
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I'm surprised that glenn is so clean shaven and that abraham is able to maintain such a perfect handlebar moustache in the midst of the zombie apocalypse. I'd think they some serious scruff going on by now.
Otherwise, I really enjoyed this episode. But if that mullet dude is a scientist than I'm LeBron James. "It's classified," my ass. Nothing is classified in the zombie apocalpyse. He's so full of shit.
Yeah, It'd have been better if they had Rositta with some unshaved legs....just thick dark, bristly hairs. :lol I'm curious as to how the chics handle 'that time of the month'? Maybe not really curious but more like.....eeeewwwwwww!!!!
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I'm surprised that glenn is so clean shaven and that abraham is able to maintain such a perfect handlebar moustache in the midst of the zombie apocalypse. I'd think they some serious scruff going on by now.
Otherwise, I really enjoyed this episode. But if that mullet dude is a scientist than I'm LeBron James. "It's classified," my ass. Nothing is classified in the zombie apocalpyse. He's so full of shit.
There is definitely something wrong with that scientist. They definitely portrayed him as not necessarily evil, but as negative, like he will cost the group a life or something. He also obviously comes off as he is better than everyone one else, yet hasn't shown how he is better.
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I'm surprised that glenn is so clean shaven and that abraham is able to maintain such a perfect handlebar moustache in the midst of the zombie apocalypse. I'd think they some serious scruff going on by now.
Otherwise, I really enjoyed this episode. But if that mullet dude is a scientist than I'm LeBron James. "It's classified," my ass. Nothing is classified in the zombie apocalpyse. He's so full of shit.
There is definitely something wrong with that scientist. They definitely portrayed him as not necessarily evil, but as negative, like he will cost the group a life or something. He also obviously comes off as he is better than everyone one else, yet hasn't shown how he is better.
He's one of those characters that I'm interested in seeing how he develops compared to his comic doppelgänger.
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This might be the first time since S1 when I'm kinda enjoying where the show is at. In terms of quality of the episodes themselves, the last three might not be three of the strongest, but I'm really happy about the decision to split everyone up, and it feels closer to the tone of S1 that way. Since they are out and moving (instead of hiding in a safe house), you never know when danger will come. So it's pretty cool so far.
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Dear god, what a boring episode..
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I kinda enjoyed it. Wasn't the best, but it wasn't bad.
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Dear god, what a boring episode..
Yeah. I'm normally inclined to defend the shows attempts to develop characters and not just be a scary zombie show.....but this was pretty bad. It'd have been defendable had the content of the conversations between Beth and Daryl had some substance but jeez.....did the 'A' team take the week off and let the interns write the script?
I get that they wanted to show the guilt that Daryl feels for not doing more or that Beth is trying to shake Daryl out of it. But man....pretty brutal writing this episode it thought. I think it's the first time I've been disappointed in TWD that I can remember.
At least they researched enough to know that a Eastern Diamondback Rattlesankes live in Georgia and had the correct species depicted on the show. That was a nice one too.....probably a 5 footer, put a hurt on ya.
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Wouldn't snake have felt Daryl coming? Sneaking up on a rattlesnake doesn't seem likely to me.
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Wouldn't snake have felt Daryl coming? Sneaking up on a rattlesnake doesn't seem likely to me.
It did begin to rattle and show some kind of alarm before he brought the stick down on it. I have no idea how realistic that behaviour would be, however.
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I actually thought the writing was really good for this one. The whole scene that started with the drinking game and ended with both of them screaming at each other outside was almost nothing but good dialogue, something this show has been lacking lately. I even actually cared for Beth in this episode. She's usually just annoying and cheesy, but here she actually had some stuff that mattered to say. I didn't like the episode initially when I understood the concept, but it was well excecuted and I enjoy how it turned out.
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I can't stand a whole Beth centered episode, even with Daryl co-staring.
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It was a good ten minute segment stretched out into a whole episode. I liked it (or rather the idea of it), but I wanted to see some of the other groups.
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Boring, boring, boring! They took all the momentum from the last episode and just let all of the air out. I was so looking forward to a continuation from last week and they give us a Daryl and Beth borefest. Next week's preview didn't show any Rick so I have a feeling we won't be moving the story along again.
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Wouldn't snake have felt Daryl coming? Sneaking up on a rattlesnake doesn't seem likely to me.
It did begin to rattle and show some kind of alarm before he brought the stick down on it. I have no idea how realistic that behaviour would be, however.
I've owned a Rattlenake and that was fairly realistic. They'll only Rattle at you when you while thier resting or coiled. Once they've been disturbed and put on the move it'd try to escape like that one was, if they don't feel threatened. Don't know the circumstance of how Daryl found that one but it obviously wasn't threatened. And pinning their heads like that isn't too difficult. If your not drunk......then you end up like me with a $40k ICU bill :biggrin:
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the only true noteworthy insight into Daryl this episode was that he only mentioned two characters by name when reflecting on 'his' failure. He mentioned Hershal when he said 'your Dad' and he mentioned Rick. Both in the moment when he was upset and lamenting over the fact he could have done more so to me it shows that he really does 'care' for Rick....or has formed a bond.
When he mentioned Maggie and Carol he was engaged in letting Beth know she'd never see them again....as if they were a reference to who she had lost....not him....like those were the people she'd miss more?
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I watched the latest episode last night and I really wanted to like it but...:lol The acting was so bad. Holy shit! Norman Reedus should definitely stick with the silent brooding type character or the stoner egghead (see Blade 2) and not try to branch out too far. Oh and the girl who plays Beth is just shockingly unconvincing. I'm sorry to be such a downer to what is otherwise a good series but the episode should have been a ten minute snipit during a regular episode and spared us the 'Beth drunk talk'.
...loosing interest fast now...
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Norman Reedus should definitely stick with the silent brooding type character or the stoner egghead (see Blade 2) and not try to branch out too far.
Kind of magnified the fact maybe he can't be the 'lead', that he's better off in group situations as an ancillary character.
the episode should have been a ten minute snipit during a regular episode
Pretty much this. That hour accomplished nothing that 10 minutes couldn't have in any other episode.
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How can I, and the guy who reviews this show for IGN, be the only two people who really enjoyed this episode?
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Count me in that minority. I really loved it, but then again I've always been a fan of the more character-centric expositions that this show has done in the past. There were some points it dragged, but It helps that I'm also in the minority apparently in thinking that Reedus is a great actor and while most of the time I dislike Beth and her inane whining, this episode it seemed to be more genuine somehow, especially with the whole 'I wanna drink' aspect during a time that being inebriated is almost a sure death. :lol
I like the neck-break pace they've been moving at for the most part this season, but it's nice to have some good old fashion character development. Next episode should have some solid plot progression, so that should appease those that didn't like this one too much.
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Count me in that minority. I really loved it, but then again I've always been a fan of the more character-centric expositions that this show has done in the past. There were some points it dragged, but It helps that I'm also in the minority apparently in thinking that Reedus is a great actor and while most of the time I dislike Beth and her inane whining, this episode it seemed to be more genuine somehow, especially with the whole 'I wanna drink' aspect during a time that being inebriated is almost a sure death. :lol
I like the neck-break pace they've been moving at for the most part this season, but it's nice to have some good old fashion character development. Next episode should have some solid plot progression, so that should appease those that didn't like this one too much.
I think Reedus has done great as Daryl.....that character is awesome. Up until the last episode I thought he nailed every opportunity he had. And I'm also down for some good character development, when it's done well. I just thought the writing in that episode was really weak.....the conversations they had were BRUTAL (for me) to listen to. You could tell that neither Gimple, Kirkman or Nicitero wrote that episode. Very simple and dumbed down....Lacked substance and you could sense it in how hard those two tried to sell it. I get what the writers were going for but I personally think it missed the mark. It happens.
At this point now that they all have had their time apart I'm ready for some of them to start meeting up again. Let's get the show on the road so to speak. The previews for next week look cool with the fog and 'suspensful' old school horror style it's suggesting.
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Okay, in retrospect I was pretty harsh on Reedus and the show. My excuse is that I watched it directly after watching episode 7 of True Detective and, well, there are no adequate adjectives to describe the distance between performances of these two shows. But then, that's not what The Walking Dead is about...is it?
Anyway, I'm totally with the program that Daryl needed to feel horrible about his roll in the failure of the prison. He was a key person, hell number 2 in charge, tasked with maintaining the security of the prison. He was absolutely correct that he should have helped Mischonne hunt down the Governor. Additionally, he'd be a total sociopath (and therefore an unsympathetic character) if he didn't feel remorse for the loss of people he finally dared to care about. In season one we saw him struggle with learning to care for anyone at all so now that they are gone and he's stuck with one of the weak ones his depression and apathy made perfect sense.
I just disagree that breaking down and crying was the correct response for Merle Dixon's little brother. A frosty stare and a growled vow to find each missing member or to destroy their suffering corpse would be much more consistent. I think Norman (the actor) did the best he could with the script and direction that was provided to him. Mrs. P say's she was quite moved by his performance and I trust her enough to defer to her opinion over my snap reaction yesterday.
Oh, and it seems ridiculous that Daryl should feel shame for his upbringing. It may have been rough, even brutal but it has made him a consummate survivor for the world he now finds himself in. Besides, I've never known a Georgia redneck who wasn't damned proud to be one. Shame just doesn't seem to be part of the Southern U.S. culture (see Duck Dynasty).
The nicest way I can put this next part is: I don't think Emily Kinney is up to the task of matching acting chops with the rest of the cast. I think the writing for her dialog was less than par for the writers of this show and I think the direction for this episode was complacent...at best.
Lastly, I love character development but to just hand wave criticism away as not being patient with "character development episodes" is ridiculous--or so it seems to me. Everything we found out about both of these characters could have been condensed considerably. Since the season break we've been witnessing Daryl's depression and doubt, did we really need another 45 minutes of it before he has his resolution? Beth being tired of just surviving and wanting to live a little could have been handled quickly. Hell, she's not even that important to the overarching theme of this show. This show is supposed to be about the survival of a father and son and the bond that it creates between them. Only characters who significantly help them achieve this goal are important and even then are just so much 'walker food'. Why are the producers trying to make Beth a major character? Why now?
Sorry for the wall of text. :blush
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This show is supposed to be about the survival of a father and son and the bond that it creates between them.
That...is not even close to what this show is. How did you come to the conclusion (or hear) that was what the show was mainly about? Because...it's not. :lol I mean, you're free to come up with your own kind of interpretation of what they show is trying to convey, but that's not even a bullet point in any synopsis of the plot from anything official. If anything, a main point of this show is that everyone is fodder, even the main characters. A father and son are nothing special...this isn't 'The Road'.
Also, keep in mind that Daryl was quite drunk during all that somber bullshit, all bets are off when a man who's been through what he has gets plastered for the first time in who knows how long.
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My bad. I was under the understanding that was the point of the comic and by extension the tv show. I stand corrected.
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It's all good; and anyone can interpret the meaning of the story in any way they'd like, it just sounded like that statement came from something official. Thus far I'd say it's unlikely that either Rick or Carl will meet their demise any time soon (if at all) but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. Kirkman has indeed stated that the comics could go on without Rick; but then again he also loves toying with his readers so.. :laugh: I would say it's almost completely unlikely that the show will kill off either Rick or Carl, so you may end up being correct by the time the show ends, even if it didn't start off with that as a goal in mind.
On the other hand, it'd be correct to say that is one of Rick's defining characteristics and motivation for survival; I just wouldn't call it a plot point of the series. :tup EVERYONE ARE THE NOMS!
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This show is supposed to be about the survival of a father and son and the bond that it creates between them.
That...is not even close to what this show is. How did you come to the conclusion (or hear) that was what the show was mainly about? Because...it's not. :lol I mean, you're free to come up with your own kind of interpretation of what they show is trying to convey, but that's not even a bullet point in any synopsis of the plot from anything official. If anything, a main point of this show is that everyone is fodder, even the main characters. A father and son are nothing special...this isn't 'The Road'.
That could be my fault. I repeatedly maintaining this thread that (the way I read it) comic is a father/son story. Maybe I read it as that due to being a father of sons? Don't know. But, it's apparent in the comics that Rick and Carl are the only true 'untouchable' characters as far as dying.....at least to this point, considering all that has happened to them.
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I still question that... and I certainly agree when regarding the show, that'll never, ever happen; they have neither a reason nor the balls to do it. Kirkman on the other hand most certainly does, on top of already maintaining the thought that there are no 'main characters' in TWD (which is clearly BS, but something Kirkman still reiterates). I truly could see at least Rick dying in the comics at some point and Carl being a central figure; I think the 'safest' character in TWD is Carl, but even then..no one is 'untouchable'. I mean hell, (Spoiler for comics) one of the supposed main characters lost his hand, and the other his eye. Kirkman is the type of man to kill them off using one of their ailments as the catalyst. Keep in mind, this is the guy that kills babies. :lol
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That could be my fault. I repeatedly maintaining this thread that (the way I read it) comic is a father/son story. Maybe I read it as that due to being a father of sons? Don't know. But, it's apparent in the comics that Rick and Carl are the only true 'untouchable' characters as far as dying.....at least to this point, considering all that has happened to them.
That's right! Right there, that is what I'm talking about. It's all Gary's fault!
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I still question that... and I certainly agree when regarding the show, that'll never, ever happen; they have neither a reason nor the balls to do it. Kirkman on the other hand most certainly does, on top of already maintaining the thought that there are no 'main characters' in TWD (which is clearly BS, but something Kirkman still reiterates). I truly could see at least Rick dying in the comics at some point and Carl being a central figure; I think the 'safest' character in TWD is Carl, but even then..no one is 'untouchable'. I mean hell, (Spoiler for comics) one of the supposed main characters lost his hand, and the other his eye. Kirkman is the type of man to kill them off using one of their ailments as the catalyst. Keep in mind, this is the guy that kills babies. :lol
I haven't read the latest issues....I'm waiting for Volume #20 to hit but I'm still waiting SPOILER for Rick or Carl to get killed in some sort of random manner....like when Abraham received that random crossbow bolt through the head. I'd expect as the comic continues on your theory would seem to make sense. Kill Rick off and have Carl become center stage.
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Much better episode tonight. I still think they need to pick up the pace with only 3 episodes left..
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I liked that they jumped around but it was still pretty boring.
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I thought it was a pretty good episode. Nothing special, though, kinda like the last few.
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That was pretty good, but Daryl and Beth separating is going to delay plot progression even more going forward.
Also, does anybody watch the Talking Dead? Does anybody thoroughly enjoy it? I watch most of it for tidbits/previews but so much of it is filler crap.
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Thought it was a good episode. It's going to be interesting to see how Daryl 'fits in' to the new group. Did he join up just not to get killed? Probably? I'm curious as to who took Beth? Or if it will even be resolved this season. I wonder if whoever took her had that all set up. The clean home....inviting food....maybe stake them out a couple days and then release a hoard of zombies on them?
I guess it's shaping up for a reunion finale at Terminus.
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Boring overall. I can't seem to care for any of the characters of this show anymore besides Rick. Sure I like Michone and Daryl, but Daryls ccharacter is taking a beating. I just want all these seperate storylines to add up at this point, this is taking a long time to do. Next weeks episode looks like it can be good.
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This weeks episode was a big improvement over last week! At least when they stayed away from Daryl and Beth. The character development wasn't really that much better than last week but the acting was much more sincere, or so it seems to me. Some interesting turns in the story, Beth being abducted (thank God) by someone with a white cross painted on their back window. Daryl falling into the hands of the raiding group that Rick barely escaped from. Glen studying the Terminus sign and presumably heading there. Was that sign ahead or behind the path Maggie is taking? Was it even the same track?
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Maggie and company storyline was great. Maggie is such a good character.
I found the house with everything tidy interesting. Just what is that about?
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Maggie and company storyline was great. Maggie is such a good character.
I found the house with everything tidy interesting. Just what is that about?
I'm wondering if it wasn't a 'trap'? Set up to get people comfortable and stay there a couple days then....they lead a group of Walkers to the door...remember, Daryl said everything was nailed shut except the front door....then when whoever is there is fleeing the scene, in the chaos the 'kidnappers' can grab whomever they choose?
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I think it's pretty basic...someone was living there, and something happened to them (or they were just stupid enough to leave it unattended for a while). Now, who knows why someone able to acquire that much food and keep it tidy and safe enough for so long only to seemingly kick the bucket outside of the house and/or abandon it; but I think setting up all that as a 'trap', with no other lure to go inside the actual house (or find it in the first place) seems pretty farfetched to me. I think the 'cluster' (not exactly a 'herd'..?) of walkers was simply stalking them for a while and was a coincidence but...eh, I think it would've been made obvious if it was something more than what was shown, or of any future importance.
Overall I loved this episode; great acting, some tense and interesting moments, and it furthered the storyline for the big coalescence. Although I hope they have a big turning point for the plot for the finale aside from the obvious.
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I think it's pretty basic...someone was living there, and something happened to them (or they were just stupid enough to leave it unattended for a while). Now, who knows why someone able to acquire that much food and keep it tidy and safe enough for so long only to seemingly kick the bucket outside of the house and/or abandon it; but I think setting up all that as a 'trap', with no other lure to go inside the actual house (or find it in the first place) seems pretty farfetched to me. I think the 'cluster' (not exactly a 'herd'..?) of walkers was simply stalking them for a while and was a coincidence but...eh, I think it would've been made obvious if it was something more than what was shown, or of any future importance.
Overall I loved this episode; great acting, some tense and interesting moments, and it furthered the storyline for the big coalescence. Although I hope they have a big turning point for the plot for the finale aside from the obvious.
I think the 'obvious' clue to it being a trap was the multiple times Beth chose to say whomever left them the food was a good person....whoever was putting makeup on the Walkers was a good person....that there are still good people in the world....and so on and so on. I think the entire manicured home and inviting food stash was a smokescreen for someone to check them out for a bit. Beth was kidnapped by bad people because like Daryl said......all the good people are dead.
Then again....the odds are I'm severely over thinking it.
I love how in every instance thus far this second half as soon as any of them have felt safe that environment is immediately ripped,from them. Just as Daryl says to Beth that they should stay for a bit....BOOM....it hits the fan and she's kidnapped.
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I actually completely forgot that Beth was taken by that car. :lol Yeah, that kind of throws a wrench in the gears. I remember thinking it was people from Terminus while I was watching but then realized her bag was on the ground and looked like it was thrown, like a struggle occurred. Hrm..
Yeah, I love when they're out in the wilderness, it really showcases the apocalyptic side of things. It's kinda felt like society hadn't crumbled much due to the show being so focused on one group or stronghold and showing so many people all the time, with no insight into what the big picture looks like. It's great seeing the landscapes and all the decomposition of the world since the outbreak.
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I have been watching all the episodes to date, but I'm kinda getting bored :P
I think that there is too little happening.. Or more like everything happens so slowly.
I almost wish that there would be something supernatural or something other that would make it more interesting;
- Mutated breed of zombies, Like that weird long tongued, Lizard-like creeper in Resident Evil II (game)
- ARMY-stuff, CDC-Stuff something like that :P
- Oilrig in the middle of the fucking atlantic where they all go with other survivors and a zombie break happens there :D
...Those were propably one of the worst ideas ever, but I just need something to keep myself interested :D
Anyone agree ? :P
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Not about the mutated lizard zombies, but definetely agree that something different needs to happen. I'm definetely on board for some army stuff, at least something that matters.
I'm not completely against different forms of zombies though. Like in the beginning of this season, when that nerd kid got that sickness and turned. In the beginning of the next episode it looked a minute as if he was hiding, as if he was trying to sneak up on whoever that was who came around. Before I shortly realized that that wasn't the case, I thought it was pretty cool.
Something needs to happen though, that's for sure, and I don't only mean 'oh wow big season closer with a lot of zombie head shots'. I think it's too late to completely redeem this season with something like that, but this Washington DC stuff looks promising enough for next season.
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These last two episodes bored me to death. Damn, and I was so positive after that great Carl episode to start these final episodes!
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I think it'd be awesome and show some balls if we never had a resolution of Beth's kidnapping. Never hear or see her again, no more scenes with her...never see the car with the white cross again....that's that. She's gone. The world they live in sucks....
It'd show some guts and free up air time for new characters.
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A couple of years ago, they might have had the balls to do that with this show. Not anymore though.
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Or at least they don't find her for a couple seasons. Id be cool with that. I'm on board with something different needs to happen. I like the alone in the wilderness stuff, but I can't take it with the less interesting characters or the newer ones that we just haven't built enough of a relationship with as viewers to really care.
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Or at least they don't find her for a couple seasons. Id be cool with that.
and when they do find her (presumably with a different group), she is a totally different person. Doesn't acknowledge they were once friends/is hostile toward them, etc. A new mystery to unravel.
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One thing that I feel is starting to test the limits of this show now is that there are only so many ways a zombie attack can feasibly play out. It's late in the fourth season now; how many times, in how many different ways can they possibly get attacked and it's still a fascinating watch? Some are still great (the scene with Daryl in the basement room was tense as hell, for example), but generally, the show's approaching its threshold in this respect, for me at least.
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Question for those who've read the comics.....major SPOILER talk so don't read, you've been warned......SPOILERS......
Do you think the group Daryl has found himself suddenly a part of is the group of cannibals? I think it makes sense as far as the timing and where they are at in the story. It'd be interesting to see if Daryl suffered the same fate as Dale did in the comic....but I'm betting that group of men are the cannibals from the comics. It'd be a fairly quick story arc to resove this season....especially sense Rick, Carl and Michonee are still essentially in a town setting...as Daryl is. They could run across that group again, possibly as Daryl's about to have his leg served to the group.....rescue Daryl.....and then they are on the way to eventually meet up with the remainder of the group who are of the railroad track setting, all ending in them reuniting, in the finale most likely....at Terminus. Stage is set for next season.
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I'm all for slow episodes for the sake of character development but these last two episodes didn't even have any significant character development, at least nothing that couldn't have been established in a few minutes during a decent plot development episode.
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I'm all for slow episodes for the sake of character development but these last two episodes didn't even have any significant character development, at least nothing that couldn't have been established in a few minutes during a decent plot development episode.
If anything it's solidified for me how important a character (an actor) Rick/Andy Lincoln is to the show.......heck, at this point even Carl (Chandler Riggs) given Carl is entirely more interesting of a character these days that any of the remaining characters....save Michonee and Rick.
And I'm fine with character development as well....but I still maintain that Daryl/Beth episode was horribly written...particularly the dialouge. A student that was thinking about becoming a writer could've given a better effort IMO. I don't mind the 'idea' behind that episode....but the material was brutal and it traslated as such with the acting.
I liked last weeks episode though.
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I agree for the most part, especially about Rick.
I feel like since the show's return after the hiatus the writers have been trying to force the idea in my head that Bob and Sasha are interesting and that I wanna know how they feel and what they're doing but it's not working out heh
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Or at least they don't find her for a couple seasons. Id be cool with that.
and when they do find her (presumably with a different group), she is a totally different person. Doesn't acknowledge they were once friends/is hostile toward them, etc. A new mystery to unravel.
So Beth was kidnapped by The Others?
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Question for those who've read the comics.....major SPOILER talk so don't read, you've been warned......SPOILERS......
Do you think the group Daryl has found himself suddenly a part of is the group of cannibals? I think it makes sense as far as the timing and where they are at in the story. It'd be interesting to see if Daryl suffered the same fate as Dale did in the comic....but I'm betting that group of men are the cannibals from the comics. It'd be a fairly quick story arc to resove this season....especially sense Rick, Carl and Michonee are still essentially in a town setting...as Daryl is. They could run across that group again, possibly as Daryl's about to have his leg served to the group.....rescue Daryl.....and then they are on the way to eventually meet up with the remainder of the group who are of the railroad track setting, all ending in them reuniting, in the finale most likely....at Terminus. Stage is set for next season.
My 2 cents
I do believe that Daryl's new buds are the cannibals, but I don't think he'll be the one to get eaten. Maybe they take him back to camp and give him some "mystery meat", and he later learns that he ate Beth.
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Question for those who've read the comics.....major SPOILER talk so don't read, you've been warned......SPOILERS......
Do you think the group Daryl has found himself suddenly a part of is the group of cannibals? I think it makes sense as far as the timing and where they are at in the story. It'd be interesting to see if Daryl suffered the same fate as Dale did in the comic....but I'm betting that group of men are the cannibals from the comics. It'd be a fairly quick story arc to resove this season....especially sense Rick, Carl and Michonee are still essentially in a town setting...as Daryl is. They could run across that group again, possibly as Daryl's about to have his leg served to the group.....rescue Daryl.....and then they are on the way to eventually meet up with the remainder of the group who are of the railroad track setting, all ending in them reuniting, in the finale most likely....at Terminus. Stage is set for next season.
My 2 cents
I do believe that Daryl's new buds are the cannibals, but I don't think he'll be the one to get eaten. Maybe they take him back to camp and give him some "mystery meat", and he later learns that he ate Beth.
:omg: That would be incredible! Although, I'd think a group of males like that would keep Beth around for a bit for other uses....ya know what I mean? Maybe dine on some dudes instead....like a random one they found sitting in the road?
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So I see no discussion about the opening of the latest episode, am I missing something obvious or what?
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So I see no discussion about the opening of the latest episode, am I missing something obvious or what?
The flashback to when Daryl and Glenn found Bob? I liked it....thought it was interesting how Bob has devolved kind of like the Governor did to walking like a Walker.
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So I see no discussion about the opening of the latest episode, am I missing something obvious or what?
The flashback to when Daryl and Glenn found Bob? I liked it....thought it was interesting how Bob has devolved kind of like the Governor did to walking like a Walker.
I'm kind of surprised he is fairly normal. You'd think being alone like that after having two groups all die would psychologically destroy you.
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So I see no discussion about the opening of the latest episode, am I missing something obvious or what?
The flashback to when Daryl and Glenn found Bob? I liked it....thought it was interesting how Bob has devolved kind of like the Governor did to walking like a Walker.
So that was a scene from a previous episode? :blush Man I honestly don't remember that scene.
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No he meant that it takes place before he found Rick and co.; a 'new' flashback within the show, not that it was a flashback of an episode.
Now you seem even more old. :laugh: :metal
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oh....oohhhh! :o
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He'll always be D'angelo Barksdale to me.
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Amen to that.
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I want Lizzy off this show in the worst way.
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YES
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WHAT THE FUCK
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Totally could see that one coming. Lizzy was a complete psycho from the first time they showed her. Glad they finally killed her off.
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Glad they finally killed off some of the new characters who I didnt care for.
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That episode was pretty messed up.
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Fantastic episode. FUBAR, but fantastic.
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Thought that was a great episode....well written and it put to rest a few of the lingering questions we all had a hunch on, and.... Mercifully ended the life of a psychotic pre teen. I loved the resolution that
Tyrese and Carol came to this episode. But I think had Tyrese not seen Carol 'put down' Lizzy....say Carol confessed to him earlier on in the grove like it felt like she was going to....he'd have reacted differently.
Really cool episode. I'm thinking the fire was the house that Daryl and Beth lit up? It'd make sense. Even thought the group is split up they are all in the general area.
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Also, did anyone else pick up on the vibe when Lizzy told Carol after that crispy Walker attack that she "knew what she had to do now"....that she wasn't talking about having to actually kill the Walkers? It was subtle but it was there....she all but told them she was going to do something drastic
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Have been a huge fan of this show from the beginning, and there have been some very powerful moments on this show; but this episode was incredibly powerful. Wow. Lots of questions answered and resolution to a lingering issue with the girls and Lizzys psychosis. This was evident very early on the day she had the discussion with Carl at the prison fence. I mean did anyone think anyone besides her was feeding the walkers at the prison? Now we finally can close that long overdue story arc. Great episode.
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I'm thinking the fire was the house that Daryl and Beth lit up? It'd make sense. Even thought the group is split up they are all in the general area.
That was my initial thought, but the more that I think about it it doesn't make sense unless the burnt walkers that they killed tonight actually walked through the fire to get to where they were at.(Sorry about the horrible grammar in that last sentence lol...) It wouldn't surprise me if they ran into a post apocolyptic fire bug like the Trashcan Man in the stand.
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I want Lizzy off this show in the worst way.
YES
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I'm thinking the fire was the house that Daryl and Beth lit up? It'd make sense. Even thought the group is split up they are all in the general area.
That was my initial thought, but the more that I think about it it doesn't make sense unless the burnt walkers that they killed tonight actually walked through the fire to get to where they were at
I'm going to re-watch the ending of the Daryl/Beth episode but I could have sworn that as they showed the cabin burning in one of the last shots there were Walkers near/in the house/flames.
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you are correct as far as the walkers being near the burning house...as they flipped the bird they realised the fire attracted walkers they were seen next to the house
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Have been a huge fan of this show from the beginning, and there have been some very powerful moments on this show; but this episode was incredibly powerful. Wow. Lots of questions answered and resolution to a lingering issue with the girls and Lizzys psychosis. This was evident very early on the day she had the discussion with Carl at the prison fence. I mean did anyone think anyone besides her was feeding the walkers at the prison? Now we finally can close that long overdue story arc. Great episode.
For a brief bit of time I thought that Bob could have been the crazy Walker Feeder/Rabbit dissector. They painted him as pretty crazy there for a bit. But as time went on it was apparent Lizzy was NUTZ! Carol was right in quesioning herself when rhetorically asking 'how could I have not seen it' because Lizzy really didn't hide how crazy she was, she just benifited from being a kid who was crazy in a world where the adults think kids are the last people to really worry about being dangerous. She flew under the radar and was given a pass for her odd behavior due to being a child.
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Definitely one of my most favorite episodes of this show. I was riveted and speechless.
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From the moment when Lizzie was feeding that train-track walker and onwards, this was a great episode. Lizzie killing her sister and then Carol killing Lizzie was really haunting.
But before that, it was more of the usual. Some pretty awkward dialogue which drags it down a little. But the second half more than made up for that.
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This was the Red Wedding episode of all of Walking Dead. When I saw Lizzy covered in her sisters blood, and then Carol taking care of business, I was absolutely in awe, and mortified.
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The shows got some real balls killing off 3 tween girls... now if we can just get Carl taken care of... :hat
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The shows got some real balls killing off 3 tween girls... now if we can just get Carl taken care of... :hat
No way......maybe whiny Farm Carl would have been an option but I'm digging 'growin' up' Carl. Plus, his character is way too important to the series so you're probably not going to get your wish.
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He's such a little bitch...
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Another pretty boring episode. I liked the ending, but 35 minutes of filler before that didn't do much for me.
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Most painful part for me was when Carol was walking her out to the flowers, I was still expecting Carol to show sympathy for the girl.
But then when Lizzie was apologetic for pointing a gun at Carol instead of killing her sister, I knew Carol wasn't going to spare her, she was too far gone. :'(
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The first half was typical WD semi-boring stuff ie find random abandoned home, move in temporarily, bad shit happens, and leave. The writers have been relying on this trope a bit too much this season and I'm really hoping they find a bit more variety of material to mine. Thankfully, the second half delivered. A great ending that tied up some loose plot threads and delivered on the emotions. Good acting all around and some great gut punches. More of this and less of Daryl and Beth go to gold-course episodes.
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The first half was typical WD semi-boring stuff ie find random abandoned home, move in temporarily, bad shit happens, and leave. The writers have been relying on this trope a bit too much this season and I'm really hoping they find a bit more variety of material to mine. Thankfully, the second half delivered. A great ending that tied up some loose plot threads and delivered on the emotions. Good acting all around and some great gut punches. More of this and less of Daryl and Beth go to gold-course episodes.
I think they are just trying to reinforce the fact that every time any of the splintered groups have found a 'safe' place they'd like to relax and call home for a bit....they are forced out. That they aren't going to ever,have what they had at the prison again. Sure the theme is recycled but it's only because that world they live in isn't conducive to a life of leisure and no worries.
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The first half was typical WD semi-boring stuff ie find random abandoned home, move in temporarily, bad shit happens, and leave. The writers have been relying on this trope a bit too much this season and I'm really hoping they find a bit more variety of material to mine. Thankfully, the second half delivered. A great ending that tied up some loose plot threads and delivered on the emotions. Good acting all around and some great gut punches. More of this and less of Daryl and Beth go to gold-course episodes.
I think they are just trying to reinforce the fact that every time any of the splintered groups have found a 'safe' place they'd like to relax and call home for a bit....they are forced out. That they aren't going to ever,have what they had at the prison again. Sure the theme is recycled but it's only because that world they live in isn't conducive to a life of leisure and no worries.
Oh, I get what they were trying to do, but there are only so many times characters can barely escape a horde of zombies indoors before it becomes repetitive. Rick getting cornered by the Raiders was a nice twist on it, but maybe that's because savage humans will usually be more interesting than the zombies. I don't hate the show but I really hope the next few episodes aren't more of the same. I like this season's focus on character development, but it seems like it's spread really thin at times.
Looking at this last episode as a whole, it's easily the best of this season IMO and that's even taking into account the Governator-centric first half of the season as well.
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Oh, I get what they were trying to do, but there are only so many times characters can barely escape a horde of zombies indoors before it becomes repetitive. Rick getting cornered by the Raiders was a nice twist on it, but maybe that's because savage humans will usually be more interesting than the zombies. I don't hate the show but I really hope the next few episodes aren't more of the same. I like this season's focus on character development, but it seems like it's spread really thin at times.
Looking at this last episode as a whole, it's easily the best of this season IMO and that's even taking into account the Governator-centric first half of the season as well.
A bit more creativity on the Walker encounters would be nice, I'm with you on that. I think the episode you mentioned with Rick and this last one were pretty strong....the rest just got the job done IMO.
There hasn't been as much wasted time as the Mazzeera show runner Era....I think Gimple has done a good job this season fixing the distracted, aimless direction Mazzerra had the show pointed in....but there have been moments of 'filler' that have annoyed me.
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I dont know, most of this season has been filler IMO. I liked the separation and survival aspects for a bit, but theres been an awful lot of it this season.
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I'm thinking the fire was the house that Daryl and Beth lit up? It'd make sense. Even thought the group is split up they are all in the general area.
That was my initial thought, but the more that I think about it it doesn't make sense unless the burnt walkers that they killed tonight actually walked through the fire to get to where they were at
I'm going to re-watch the ending of the Daryl/Beth episode but I could have sworn that as they showed the cabin burning in one of the last shots there were Walkers near/in the house/flames.
Oops, I stand corrected. I completely forgot about that.
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I wanted the two brats to die, but by a walker or something. They had to make it all emotional and shit. Then again, I really only felt bad for Carol. She saw so much of her daughter in that girl, and got attached, then she's taken away just like that, but not by a zombie, but by a psycho little girl.
The show may be boring to some, but it really shows you how a zombie apacolypse could fuck up the minds of people, especially children. I didn't mind this episode. It was all build up, but it paid off.
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So that latest episode was pretty good. Slow build up, but it was a pretty bleak episode overall. I like that. The shots of the empty home at the end were a good way to end it aswell.
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"Let's make you a plate."
OH. SHIT.
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"Let's make you a plate."
OH. SHIT.
Yeah...some double meaning going on there I believe.
SPOILER
Looks like Terminus could be the cannibal community from the comics, only much larger and more sinister it appears.
Wasn't a bad episode and I thought Eugene had some funny little quirks and one liners. I'm a bit ticked that the last 4 episodes have featured a grand total of 2 minutes of Rick/Carl and Michonne. They've spent a large amount of time on some second tier characters IMO.
I was so hoping that Glenn would leave that chic behind to get eaten just to eliminate future wasted minutes on her character.
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Was that actress at the end Denise Crosby? I can't tell for sure.
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Was that actress at the end Denise Crosby? I can't tell for sure.
Yeah. She looked creepy.
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Awesome. Decent episode but I'm really excited for the next one.
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So who else expects Terminus to be run by cannibals?
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So who else expects Terminus to be run by cannibals?
Count me in for that theory.
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So who else expects Terminus to be run by cannibals?
"Let's make you a plate."
They've all but confirmed it.
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Also...
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:tup :tup
I can't wait to see what this turns into. Could be very cool; I loved the voice-over of the repeating lines on the 'posters' everyone saw, about 'salvation and community for all'; it's one of those traps that's 'so obvious that it can't be'. I personally have thought it was a bad idea from the first time we saw that sign, but even so it was still the best place to meet up, ironically enough; everyone needed a specific place for all members to meet up but no way to designate a place to one another...they got their answer.
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Totally didnt think about cannibals, but I guess that could make a lot of sense and Im figuring thats the case since most of you have read the comics.
Im just happy the show has finally got to the point weve been waiting for where everyone's story arcs are coming to a meeting point. Just stinks that theres only one more episode this season now that weve reached this point.
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Totally didnt think about cannibals, but I guess that could make a lot of sense and Im figuring thats the case since most of you have read the comics.
Im just happy the show has finally got to the point weve been waiting for where everyone's story arcs are coming to a meeting point. Just stinks that theres only one more episode this season now that weve reached this point.
I think most everyone expected to find everyone meet up at Terminus in the finale. It was predictable and a bit annoying but I guess it's a good way to kind of tie the season up and set things in motion for next season.....rather than just have them on the road somewhere wandering.
I've read a couple interviews online from Kirkmann and Gimple and I know it's there job to hype the finale but apparently the finale is quite a treat and packed with non stop action. We shall see if it lives up to thier hype or not.
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Totally didnt think about cannibals, but I guess that could make a lot of sense and Im figuring thats the case since most of you have read the comics.
Im just happy the show has finally got to the point weve been waiting for where everyone's story arcs are coming to a meeting point. Just stinks that theres only one more episode this season now that weve reached this point.
I think most everyone expected to find everyone meet up at Terminus in the finale. It was predictable and a bit annoying but I guess it's a good way to kind of tie the season up and set things in motion for next season.....rather than just have them on the road somewhere wandering.
I've read a couple interviews online from Kirkmann and Gimple and I know it's there job to hype the finale but apparently the finale is quite a treat and packed with non stop action. We shall see if it lives up to thier hype or not.
I wonder if there will be any major deaths (if anyone knows, please dont spoil!)
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Totally didnt think about cannibals, but I guess that could make a lot of sense and Im figuring thats the case since most of you have read the comics.
Im just happy the show has finally got to the point weve been waiting for where everyone's story arcs are coming to a meeting point. Just stinks that theres only one more episode this season now that weve reached this point.
I think most everyone expected to find everyone meet up at Terminus in the finale. It was predictable and a bit annoying but I guess it's a good way to kind of tie the season up and set things in motion for next season.....rather than just have them on the road somewhere wandering.
I've read a couple interviews online from Kirkmann and Gimple and I know it's there job to hype the finale but apparently the finale is quite a treat and packed with non stop action. We shall see if it lives up to thier hype or not.
I wonder if there will be any major deaths (if anyone knows, please dont spoil!)
You'd think there would be....I mean, each year they've offed pretty important characters on the second to last episode of the season and no one bit it last episode. Maybe it's just being saved for this one. As the pic a couple posts above shows....we know Beth is missing her sweater, maybe she's that nice hunk of red meat roasting on the open fire? :lol
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I was thinking...at this point, it'd be edgy and surprising if a main character wasn't killed off during the finale. But I think I have a pretty good idea of who'll be killed if anyone is. Maybe a couple, actually... But I can't wait to see how it all plays out and I really do hope now that everyone lives; they've finally gotten to the point to where I pretty much like the entire crew.
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What I'm expecting is some creepy shit next week. Some disgusting cannibal-y visuals and maybe some tense chases and dialogues through the insides of Terminus. And I'm still waiting for something more about that giant ass horde we saw at the beginning of the season.
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We'll probably learn the secret behind the signs that have been everywhere too. "Thief", "Murderer", "Liar". They havent closed that arc yet.
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We'll probably learn the secret behind the signs that have been everywhere too. "Thief", "Murderer", "Liar". They havent closed that arc yet.
Do you think they need to close or answer that? I just wrote it off as the harshness of the world they live in taking it's toll on another group of people. I never really expected them to explain who was responsible for doing that or even why they did it.
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Yeah, I wouldn't call that an 'arc'. If anything, I think it's an homage to a certain small scene in the comics; but I don't think it'll turn into anything in the show for the finale, let alone big enough to carry over into next season. It'd be cool though!
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Totally didnt think about cannibals, but I guess that could make a lot of sense and Im figuring thats the case since most of you have read the comics.
Im just happy the show has finally got to the point weve been waiting for where everyone's story arcs are coming to a meeting point. Just stinks that theres only one more episode this season now that weve reached this point.
I think most everyone expected to find everyone meet up at Terminus in the finale. It was predictable and a bit annoying but I guess it's a good way to kind of tie the season up and set things in motion for next season.....rather than just have them on the road somewhere wandering.
I've read a couple interviews online from Kirkmann and Gimple and I know it's there job to hype the finale but apparently the finale is quite a treat and packed with non stop action. We shall see if it lives up to thier hype or not.
I wonder if there will be any major deaths (if anyone knows, please dont spoil!)
You'd think there would be....I mean, each year they've offed pretty important characters on the second to last episode of the season and no one bit it last episode. Maybe it's just being saved for this one. As the pic a couple posts above shows....we know Beth is missing her sweater, maybe she's that nice hunk of red meat roasting on the open fire? :lol
well, we did have the girls two episodes ago. yeah they weren't major characters, but they were children - one of them killed the other and an adult killed a non-zombie child. pretty heavy stuff/episode.
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Totally didnt think about cannibals, but I guess that could make a lot of sense and Im figuring thats the case since most of you have read the comics.
Im just happy the show has finally got to the point weve been waiting for where everyone's story arcs are coming to a meeting point. Just stinks that theres only one more episode this season now that weve reached this point.
I think most everyone expected to find everyone meet up at Terminus in the finale. It was predictable and a bit annoying but I guess it's a good way to kind of tie the season up and set things in motion for next season.....rather than just have them on the road somewhere wandering.
I've read a couple interviews online from Kirkmann and Gimple and I know it's there job to hype the finale but apparently the finale is quite a treat and packed with non stop action. We shall see if it lives up to thier hype or not.
I wonder if there will be any major deaths (if anyone knows, please dont spoil!)
You'd think there would be....I mean, each year they've offed pretty important characters on the second to last episode of the season and no one bit it last episode. Maybe it's just being saved for this one. As the pic a couple posts above shows....we know Beth is missing her sweater, maybe she's that nice hunk of red meat roasting on the open fire? :lol
well, we did have the girls two episodes ago. yeah they weren't major characters, but they were children - one of them killed the other and an adult killed a non-zombie child. pretty heavy stuff/episode.
Very true. And that was an intense episode. Judging from the comments from the producers and the few seconds of previews I'm expecting next week to be pretty intense as well. Maybe no major character loss but I'd be suprised if there wasn't a jaw dropping moment or two.
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I like that group Daryl is in, it's been a long time since humans who dressed normal showed up, no weird looking boots heh
Totally didnt think about cannibals, but I guess that could make a lot of sense and Im figuring thats the case since most of you have read the comics.
I haven't read the comic yet, I only thought about the cannibals cause I recently played that part in the Walker Dead game.
On a side note since I haven't been around since Abraham, Eugene and Rosita got introduced; I think all three have weak casting choices. I think Abraham is being portrayed too over-the-top verging on caricaturish with his gestures, lines and actions, just something out of a G.I Joe realm that doesn't fit at all in the atmosphere of the show, this goes for Rosita and Eugene as well but it's the worst with Abraham.
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Mr. Kirkman says that a main character will die that has not died yet in the comics. That narrows it down to Rick, Carl, Michonne, and Maggie(Spoilers?)
I personally think it's Maggie. Her line in the previous episode, "You'll never need a picture of me again" makes me feel like she's gonna bite the dust. I don't know how or why, but she feels like the most likely. And if Beth is what's for dinner, then the whole Greene family is gonna be wiped out this season. Daaaamn.
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And people have made this connection, what do you guys think?
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.... So, I tried my best not to spoil the finale for myself, and I haven't done it TOTALLY yet, but Jesus, what my friend just showed me.... If you have no knowledge of the comic book's chronology, the 2nd pic won't ruin much at all, and if you have read them I do kinda feel a bit weird about this not being a surprise so reader beware, but DAMN.
This shouldn't need much explanation so I'll just leave these two pictures here.
https://i.imgur.com/fyAXRfk.png
https://i.imgur.com/VFLeVna.jpg?1
The one scene everybody was sure was never going to make it on the show. Looks like save Maggie's suicide attempt and possibly the cannibals, they're rounding out everything that happens after the prison and before D.C. God, it's going to be an umcomfortable Sunday. And this I'm less sure about, but I've read that Rick is going to replicate the most fucking metal moment in comic, and by that I mean the walker-esque throat bite out he does out of desperation to save Carl like he does in the comic. For sure, Terminus is not going to be welcoming (though no word as to them being cannibals yet), and Rick and Daryl's groups will collide at/near Terminus. Have yet to find anything at all on Daryl though, which makes me worried. It's going to be an exciting finale.
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Anybody else think that maybe Joe & co. may be escaped inmates from the prison?
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Anybody else think that maybe Joe & co. may be escaped inmates from the prison?
That's a pretty good theory. I'm guessing that there might be a little bit of back story on them next season.
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Watching through the entire series with my dad and just finished season 2. Holy shit that second season was way more awesome than I remembered. I always remembered season 1 to be the best but I'm giving that title to the second one now.
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I still consider the S2 finale to be the perfect episode. So beautifully done.
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I still consider the S2 finale to be the perfect episode. So beautifully done.
I have high hopes for this finale. Gimple wrote it and he's yet to disappoint me with the episodes he's written. Plus, I think between what we know from the show added to the interviews from Gimple and Kirkaman leading in to this week, on top of the 'rumors' and speculation......this episode is shaping up to be pretty epic. I really do think something big will come out of it.
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I have a strange feeling Beth is already in Terminus, that that's where she was taken.
I've wondered if maybe people are drawn there only to be enslaved. Which would be cool, but I don't think the show/storyline would take that path, it would most likely stall developments for too long.
I also considered that it is actually a safe haven, but Rick and co., in searching for it, draw Joe and co. to it and ruin it for everyone. But I also don't think it'll play out that way. Plus, the sneak peek of the finale didn't give that sense.
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I really hope something messed up is going on at Terminus. It would make for an interesting plot development.
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Somebody on the internet said that Mary is wearing Beth's sweater. If she is...fuck.
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Somebody on the internet said that Mary is wearing Beth's sweater. If she is...fuck.
Also...
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I don't think there's any question that Terminus will not be a 'safe haven'. I think it's a storyline from the comics that happens around this 'time' in the overall story....only they've jacked it up on steroids and made it much more threatening that it already was.
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Holy fuck.
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So... S2 finale Rickatorship is back?
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I did not know Andrew Lincoln was British.
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Holy fuck.
Yep. I loved it! That last line was awesome and makes me highly anticipate next season. I guess Terminus is the cannibal group from the comics 'on steroids'
Loved the scene Rick went nuts and bit old boys throat out also
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Yeah, nice callback to the comics with that.
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That was fantastic! Rick was just so awesome throughout the whole episode. Especially in the beginning with Daryl's group. That was fantastic. And the ending was extremely suspenseful. Just all around excellent.
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Yeah, nice callback to the comics with that.
Gimple was very smart this season by using several moments that were essentially straight from the comics to re-align the show a bit. Really well done and written in those instances.
That was fantastic! Rick was just so awesome throughout the whole episode. Especially in the beginning with Daryl's group. That was fantastic. And the ending was extremely suspenseful. Just all around excellent.
Yeah, can't wait for next season now that he's embraced the monster within. Gimple and Lincoln were on 'the Talking Dead' speaking about how Rick has finally come to terms with the fact that he HAS to inflict unleashed brutality in full force when called for and not regret it after doing so. Gonna be a cool upcoming season
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One thing that did bother me though......both Joe did it when holding the gun to ricks head.....and Rick did it when holding that same gun he took from dead Joe to the Terminus dudes head......that gun was a single action 1911 model and neither of them had the hammer cocked back to fire but when Rick head butted Joe the gun went off and when things got hairy with Rick it fired as well.
Maybe Rick engaged the hammer first....you really couldn't tell in that action scene but when he was just holding it to the dudes head it wasn't engaged....but I know the hammer wasn't engaged in the scene when Joe was head butted yet a shot discharged. You can't just pull the trigger on that model gun, the hammer has to be cocked to fire.
Bugs me.
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I enjoyed the episode. The part where Rick turned walker and bit the guy was great. Really cool how it felt like Rick was part walker with that. After all the people died from being bit by zombies it must have sucked and been unexpected to be bit like that from a human. My big problem with the episode was the gun shooting at Terminus. I mean I know main characters aren't going to die when there's mass gun shooting, but it was really funny how bad the guys from terminus were missing the shots while the group was running. It almost looked like the gun fire was creating a path for the group to run along. Just seemed comical.
Next season feels likes it's going to be much better.
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but it was really funny how bad the guys from terminus were missing the shots while the group was running. It almost looked like the gun fire was creating a path for the group to run along.
But that's what the guys from Terminus were doing. If you re-watch and look at every door Rick and the gang were forced to go through there is an 'A' above or near it. And the Rail Car they eventually were herded into was marked 'A'. I think it's pretty evident that's what they do and how they 'herd' the people that come in and why they didn't care and allowed Rick and the crew to keep thier weapons. They had the high ground and new exactly how to get them to the 'storage' car because they've done it so many times.
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Plus Michonne says "I don't think they're trying to kill us", to which Rick replies,"they're shooting at our feet".
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Yeah, at first I thought the guys on the roofs were just laughably lousy shots, but it didn't take long until it was obvious that they were just making them go where they wanted.
Overall this was a really good episode, probably second best of the season. The best one being Too Far Gone. I just wish Terminus would have been more obviously and dead on threatening, other than just being a bit casually threatening, with only seeds of creepiness shown briefly throughout the chase.
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I swear I did think that was a possibility, but I just didnt understand why to funnel them to a cart and not just kill them if that is the plan in the end anyway. I guess I will just have to wait.
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To fatten them up first, yum.
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To fatten them up first, yum.
Pretty much. They made a point to show the empty powdered milk containers outside the train car Rick and gang were entering and while they ran through Terminus at one point they ran through a yard full of containers where you could hear people crying for help.
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yeah, surely Beth will be in one.
what was up with the candle room? Is that something from the comics?
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what was up with the candle room? Is that something from the comics?
I honestly can't recall....it's been a while since I read that portion of the story and I lent my cousing my copies of the comics to read. What I do recall is the cannibals in the comics were based at a cabin in the woods and there were about 6 or 8 of them. It wasn't this massive operation that is going on now so I don't think the candles were in the comics.
They looked like cerimonial or sacrificial candles. Maybe everyone they eat they give them a spot for thier name and light a candle for them?
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Man you guys catch all the details, I dont recal hearing anyone crying/yelling for help!
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Man you guys catch all the details, I dont recal hearing anyone crying/yelling for help!
it was pretty much right in the middle of all the chaos when they were running through the compound. It may have been right before they entered the candle room, but I can't remember for sure. Seems like Rick told the group to just keep going when they heard the people yelling out.
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Man you guys catch all the details, I dont recal hearing anyone crying/yelling for help!
it was pretty much right in the middle of all the chaos when they were running through the compound. It may have been right before they entered the candle room, but I can't remember for sure. Seems like Rick told the group to just keep going when they heard the people yelling out.
Ah yes, I think I recall Michonne stopping or something.
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Man you guys catch all the details, I dont recal hearing anyone crying/yelling for help!
it was pretty much right in the middle of all the chaos when they were running through the compound. It may have been right before they entered the candle room, but I can't remember for sure. Seems like Rick told the group to just keep going when they heard the people yelling out.
Ah yes, I think I recall Michonne stopping or something.
Yeah they all slowed down and had a WTF vibe going.
Also, I think a significant step in Ricks evolution as a character happened early in the episode when they heard and found that guy being swarmed by Walkers. The 'old' Rick would have risked his life to save that random guy...as Carl tried to. The 'new' Rick knew it was a lost cause and was just in the 'protect my kid' mode.
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Man you guys catch all the details, I dont recal hearing anyone crying/yelling for help!
it was pretty much right in the middle of all the chaos when they were running through the compound. It may have been right before they entered the candle room, but I can't remember for sure. Seems like Rick told the group to just keep going when they heard the people yelling out.
Ah yes, I think I recall Michonne stopping or something.
Yeah they all slowed down and had a WTF vibe going.
Also, I think a significant step in Ricks evolution as a character happened early in the episode when they heard and found that guy being swarmed by Walkers. The 'old' Rick would have risked his life to save that random guy...as Carl tried to. The 'new' Rick knew it was a lost cause and was just in the 'protect my kid' mode.
Agreed, although maybe future Rick would pull Carl and run away quicker instead of watching the guy die and then get chased.
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Man you guys catch all the details, I dont recal hearing anyone crying/yelling for help!
Another brief detail that passed quickly on screen as they were being herd into the train car.....there was a point where they were running through some sort of hallway and in between them and the camera taking the shot was some sort of cage/room with wire walls and concrete floor that had what looked to be hundreds of skeletal carcasses that had been stripped of all usable flesh and muscle. Anyone else see that? Looked like maybe some undesired organs were laying about as well. Probably was a 3 or 4 second scence.
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Yeah I saw that. Pretty cool stuff
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Man you guys catch all the details, I dont recal hearing anyone crying/yelling for help!
Another brief detail that passed quickly on screen as they were being herd into the train car.....there was a point where they were running through some sort of hallway and in between them and the camera taking the shot was some sort of cage/room with wire walls and concrete floor that had what looked to be hundreds of skeletal carcasses that had been stripped of all usable flesh and muscle. Anyone else see that? Looked like maybe some undesired organs were laying about as well. Probably was a 3 or 4 second scence.
(https://i.imgur.com/gB64XDV.jpg)
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Man you guys catch all the details, I dont recal hearing anyone crying/yelling for help!
Another brief detail that passed quickly on screen as they were being herd into the train car.....there was a point where they were running through some sort of hallway and in between them and the camera taking the shot was some sort of cage/room with wire walls and concrete floor that had what looked to be hundreds of skeletal carcasses that had been stripped of all usable flesh and muscle. Anyone else see that? Looked like maybe some undesired organs were laying about as well. Probably was a 3 or 4 second scence.
(https://i.imgur.com/gB64XDV.jpg)
Nice Work!! :clap: Definately looks like a spinal column, ribcage and some skulls are clearly visable.
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LOVED the finale. It confirmed almost everything I feared about Terminus. It looks like they are the Cannibals, but much worse. It kinda reminded me of the season 2 finale of LOST where Jack, Sawyer, and Kate get captured by the Others.
When Gareth was telling Rick & co. to get in the boxcar, I seriously thought they were gonna shoot Carl.
These "Termites" are fucking with the wrong people.
Also
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They may have just run out of props, but you never know.. Remember that camp that the Gov. came across while hunting with Martinez back in episode 7?
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Awesome finale, a bit anti-climactic towards the end, but I kinda figured nothing would trump that throat gorging anyway. That was metal as hell. Next season should have a whole new feeling and direction, hopefully. This season was great all around, but it could still be tightened up a bit. I'm excited that next season is all but guaranteed to start off with a bang though. It'll be interesting to see if they do any kind of 'time skip' or if they'll pick up straight off in real time. I'm betting they'll show the after math first and go to a flashback ala the begging of this episode until the throat scene.
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When Gareth was telling Rick & co. to get in the boxcar, I seriously thought they were gonna shoot Carl.
Yeah, so did I. Actually, after Rick walked away I was trying to figure out which one of the three would be shot and killed because it just had the feel that one of them was definately getting shot. As it narrowed down to Carl I was thinking how brutal that was going to be.
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I think the Terminuts found that table. TWD is good about little easter eggs like that.
I also would love a time-skip. I loved when they did it a while ago (forget when exactly).
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I think the Terminuts found that table. TWD is good about little easter eggs like that.
I also would love a time-skip. I loved when they did it a while ago (forget when exactly).
Between season 2 and 3 they skipped through the winter monthes.
I dont really want to see a time skip now, they finally got to terminus and if they just fast forward after the way they left off, it wouldnt feel right. Maybe if they did what they did in the last episode where it starts a bit forward, but then goes back and shows how they got to that state.
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I think the Terminuts found that table. TWD is good about little easter eggs like that.
I also would love a time-skip. I loved when they did it a while ago (forget when exactly).
Between season 2 and 3 they skipped through the winter monthes.
I dont really want to see a time skip now, they finally got to terminus and if they just fast forward after the way they left off, it wouldnt feel right. Maybe if they did what they did in the last episode where it starts a bit forward, but then goes back and shows how they got to that state.
I agree. I liked the skips between 2&3 and 3&4, but I want to see the Terminus fight in full, and not just hear about what happened.
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Seeing what the Termites, Terminites, whatever you wanna call them represent when parallel to the comics, there should NOT be a time skip.
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Yeah... I didn't mean any kind of long term time-skip; I merely meant an 'aftermath' kind of thing, and then a recap of that moment on, perhaps after the group as escaped (or...*mean guy Rick voice* ...kill all them sons'a bitches...)
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I don't like that after big cliffhangers, I don't wanna be even a bit spoiled. For example, I loved how Doctor Who's "The Pandorica Opens" ended but hated that "The Big Bang" started how it started.
If they showed them free and everyone's alive then it lessens any emotional impact from the escape, if a few die then I'll be expecting "when and how and who". I'd rather it shown in "real" time and be surprised. Again, this is just me.
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I'm guessing Beth will come back in season 8 as Negan
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Love this series, great season ender, can't wait for next year. Maybe I missed something, but how did the group of guys who Daryl was with recognize Rick as the guy who killed there buddy in thre house ? I don't remember any of them seeing Rick except the the guy on the floor who seen him under the bed.
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Love this series, great season ender, can't wait for next year. Maybe I missed something, but how did the group of guys who Daryl was with recognize Rick as the guy who killed there buddy in thre house ? I don't remember any of them seeing Rick except the the guy on the floor who seen him under the bed.
That guy on the floor who saw him was the one who had the gun on Michonne. In an earlier episode Joe said that guy could identify him...plus they were 'trackers' who had followed Ricks trail from the house.
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I thought that guy on the floor was dead. It was pretty evident during that scene.
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No, he only passed out.
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I'm guessing Beth will come back in season 8 as Negan
If the writers have any balls they'd that the Terminites killed Beth and are eating her as the cannibals they are suppose to be.
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I'm guessing Beth will come back in season 8 as Negan
If the writers have any balls they'd that the Terminites killed Beth and are eating her as the cannibals they are suppose to be.
COMIC TALK SPOILER
I think that Beth was taken by the Preacher that the group meets in the comics at this time of the story. They encounter the cannibals and meet the Preacher around the same time, so although the 'kidnapping' of Beth appeared to be sinister in nature...perhaps he happened to be on the road, saw Beth running...maybe she was about to get eaten or killed by some Walkers...Daryl wasn't around, so she hopped in the car to and sped off and was saved? I don't think that vehicle and the 'Termites' are connected.
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I'm guessing Beth will come back in season 8 as Negan
If the writers have any balls they'd that the Terminites killed Beth and are eating her as the cannibals they are suppose to be.
COMIC TALK SPOILER
I think that Beth was taken by the Preacher that the group meets in the comics at this time of the story. They encounter the cannibals and meet the Preacher around the same time, so although the 'kidnapping' of Beth appeared to be sinister in nature...perhaps he happened to be on the road, saw Beth running...maybe she was about to get eaten or killed by some Walkers...Daryl wasn't around, so she hopped in the car to and sped off and was saved? I don't think that vehicle and the 'Termites' are connected.
I much prefer they just kill her since she doesn't bring much anyway, but if they use that to start the Alexandria Safe Zone arc then I guess I'm OK with it.
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When was the Governor ever standing under an umbrella?
Excited about the BluRay release, I hope they announce it ASAP.
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When was the Governor ever standing under an umbrella?
Excited about the BluRay release, I hope they announce it ASAP.
I think that pic was from when he was at the Martinez camp.
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I just discovered this song and I love it. This should be the theme song for the show! :metal
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z-dXpe2aP4
Studio cut...
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=ZPNqub966Tw
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No way. The theme they have is perfect. But that song would be perfect for a proper scene.
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Get Beth to sing it in-show.
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So because of school, I am just now getting around to watching season 4 and holy hell, it does not disappoint.
I really liked the show before, but at this point, with season 4, its has reached legendary status. Absolutely amazing. Rick is a badass terminator, and terminus is pretty much what I expected it to be. Makes Woodbury look like Disneyland. And I loved that they were just subtle enough to let me know exactly what it was, without being too on the nose about it.
And I Loved the govenor's napoleon saga, where he loses, is exiled and then returns to power, rebuilds an army and then starts his shit again. Awesome.
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I'm cautiously hopeful for S5, but the show is very hit or miss for me. Whenever I play the game instead (The Walking Dead by Telltale), it just strikes me that the game is everything I would want from the tv-show. It's in a league of its own. But it also puts YOU in the center of everything happening, and it's an interactive experience so.
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I concur! Many people seem to use the whole 'the game is better than the show' as some kind of put-down to the show, or said sarcastically. But it truly is, in every way possible, and that's not a put-down to the show at all; it's just a testament to how amazingly deep, thoughtful, intricate and utterly soul crushing the game's story is. Granted, I'm beginning to think the same of the show, it's pretty hit or miss; but it's still one of my favorites and I'll take it any day over precisely 96% of all other programs on the cesspool that is network television.
It's still got absolutely gorgeous cinematography, and some episodes and even entire arcs are absolute gold in both storytelling and action. It's just the ever-present dips in the story and action (and up until recently, it's direction) that keep it from being truly great. Here's hoping that S5 is on track and keeps on rolling forward full speed. I really have absolutely no expectations or hype, at this point I realize I could either be dropping this show very soon or just as easily it's biggest fan.
Still got a massive hard on for the comics though, those have only gotten better and more intense. Although I'm pretty sure that I'm in the minority with that opinion.
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Still got a massive hard on for the comics though, those have only gotten better and more intense. Although I'm pretty sure that I'm in the minority with that opinion.
Nah...I'm with ya! It's just a bummer because I don't subscribe to any of the issues...I have to wait until they release the volumes at Barnes and Nobel which seems like it takes months on end.....
But the story has definitely gotten more brutal and I'm anxious to see the outcome of the current situation....
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The comics are the best Walking Dead there is, period.
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The comics are the best Walking Dead there is, period.
The comics are really good. I would say: Telltale Game > Comics > TV-Show
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Comics > Game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV-show
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The comics are the best Walking Dead there is, period.
I am very interested to see 1.) who they cast to play Neegan. I think Henry Rollins would be perfect, or 'The Rock'. 2.) how they pull that character off on television given his pension for the 'F' bomb every other word and descriptively graphic verbal tirades.
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The comics are the best Walking Dead there is, period.
I am very interested to see 1.) who they cast to play Neegan. I think Henry Rollins would be perfect, or 'The Rock'. 2.) how they pull that character off on television given his pension for the 'F' bomb every other word and descriptively graphic verbal tirades.
It'll be as bad as every casting choice and deviation they've done so far. lol
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Trailer for season 5 is out. It's pretty lengthy and contains what I considered some massive spoilers, so be warned. Kinda wish I hadn't watched it actually. But other than the spoiler-y feel to it, the trailer looks good actually, and it looks to be an more exciting story than season 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4GAs9TJVjM#t=182 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4GAs9TJVjM#t=182)
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Pretty cool, looks like this show may improve. I didnt think there were any spoilers beyond what you would expect from a season preview.
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That looks badass.
Where the hell is beth though?
Mental institution, prison, what the hell is that place?
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That looks badass.
Where the hell is beth though?
Mental institution, prison, what the hell is that place?
I've read the comics and I'm having a hard time recalling what that place is? It's been a good two years since I read that part/time in the comic though...just can't recall what it reflects from the books.
The trailer makes me believe this season may be the best since season 1. It looks incredible.
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Its so interesting seeing the variations of survival camps/cults.
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That looks badass.
Where the hell is beth though?
Mental institution, prison, what the hell is that place?
I've read the comics and I'm having a hard time recalling what that place is? It's been a good two years since I read that part/time in the comic though...just can't recall what it reflects from the books.
I don't think this reflects anything from the comics. Off the top of my head, I don't remember anything like that happening around the same time as the cannibals.
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That looks badass.
Where the hell is beth though?
Mental institution, prison, what the hell is that place?
I've read the comics and I'm having a hard time recalling what that place is? It's been a good two years since I read that part/time in the comic though...just can't recall what it reflects from the books.
I don't think this reflects anything from the comics. Off the top of my head, I don't remember anything like that happening around the same time as the cannibals.
My brother thinks it's as simple as she's at Terminus with them. Just a different location of the complex.
I love that look on Ricks face after he mows down those people holding machine guns and turns to the camera. Just the definition of 'bad a$$'
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I can't stand The Walking Dead fan base on facebook, possibly because it's been a long time since I last was a fan of a pop culture phenomena but mando they get on my nerve, it's almost like the Twilight swallowing fan base has migrated to TWD. And it doesn't help that the cast is behaving like the progression of Backstreet Boys and N'Sync on social media outlets is not helping the situation.
And I agree that this was me bitching about something that shouldn't matter.
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I can't stand The Walking Dead fan base on facebook, possibly because it's been a long time since I last was a fan of a pop culture phenomena but mando they get on my nerve, it's almost like the Twilight swallowing fan base has migrated to TWD. And it doesn't help that the cast is behaving like the progression of Backstreet Boys and N'Sync on social media outlets is not helping the situation.
And I agree that this was me bitching about something that shouldn't matter.
Yeah I agree. I don't consider myself a hater of the show, because even though I'm sometimes very critical of it, I always give it a fair chance, and I want to love it. I really like the setting of the show, but sometimes the writing/characters just falls flat. To me, it feels like a lot of people are blinded when it comes to this show.
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The bad acting frustrates me, but I still like this show because ZOMBIES.
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I can't stand The Walking Dead fan base on facebook, possibly because it's been a long time since I last was a fan of a pop culture phenomena but mando they get on my nerve, it's almost like the Twilight swallowing fan base has migrated to TWD. And it doesn't help that the cast is behaving like the progression of Backstreet Boys and N'Sync on social media outlets is not helping the situation.
And I agree that this was me bitching about something that shouldn't matter.
Yeah I agree. I don't consider myself a hater of the show, because even though I'm sometimes very critical of it, I always give it a fair chance, and I want to love it. I really like the setting of the show, but sometimes the writing/characters just falls flat. To me, it feels like a lot of people are blinded when it comes to this show.
Put me in the same boat. Im not a hater but I have been critical of the show. My biggest problem with last season was the large focus of specific characters in each episode and many of those characters had no viewer emotional attachment and it made the show a bit boring at times. It made me think why should I care if this character dies or survives because there is nothing that I care about. There wasnt enough development of the newer characters for me to give a crap about what happens. It lead to me enjoying the Rick episodes and not enjoying the others.
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:omg:
(https://i.imgur.com/E1eMroM.jpg)