DREAM THEATER ANNOUNCE THE RETURN OF DRUMMER MIKE PORTNOY

[ReaPsTA]

Here's an interview with Dino Jelusick where he talks about his involvement with Mike Mangini's solo album - he recommended oe of the guitar players and was going to sing on the album as well, but his litigation with Frontiers stopped him from doing so. It's at the 12 minute mark, and he also talks about having long calls with Jordan Rudess and about congratulating MP on his return to DT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FgyuSvpadQ&t=1042s

Is there a single musician out there that has beef with Jordan Rudess? Kind of amazing.

[Setlist Scotty]

Here's an interview with Dino Jelusick where he talks about his involvement with Mike Mangini's solo album - he recommended oe of the guitar players and was going to sing on the album as well, but his litigation with Frontiers stopped him from doing so. It's at the 12 minute mark, and he also talks about having long calls with Jordan Rudess and about congratulating MP on his return to DT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FgyuSvpadQ&t=1042s

Is there a single musician out there that has beef with Jordan Rudess? Kind of amazing.

Derek Sherinian?   

[jammindude]

Here's an interview with Dino Jelusick where he talks about his involvement with Mike Mangini's solo album - he recommended oe of the guitar players and was going to sing on the album as well, but his litigation with Frontiers stopped him from doing so. It's at the 12 minute mark, and he also talks about having long calls with Jordan Rudess and about congratulating MP on his return to DT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FgyuSvpadQ&t=1042s

Is there a single musician out there that has beef with Jordan Rudess? Kind of amazing.

Derek Sherinian?   

[jammindude]

Am I late to the party? Or did someone already point out that Mike was out for 13 years.

8+5=13

Also that Mangini was on 5 studio albums and 8 Dream Theater releases.

[HOF]

Am I late to the party? Or did someone already point out that Mike was out for 13 years.

8+5=13

Also that Mangini was on 5 studio albums and 8 Dream Theater releases.

What's the relevance of 8+5?

Also, maybe MP is a closet Swiftie.

[jammindude]

Am I late to the party? Or did someone already point out that Mike was out for 13 years.

8+5=13

Also that Mangini was on 5 studio albums and 8 Dream Theater releases.

What's the relevance of 8+5?

Also, maybe MP is a closet Swiftie.

I was equating the two 13s with each other (facetiously). But also thinking of how 5, 3, 8 and all its variants are constantly popping up since the 8V album.

[JPZealot]

Am I late to the party? Or did someone already point out that Mike was out for 13 years.

8+5=13

Also that Mangini was on 5 studio albums and 8 Dream Theater releases.

What's the relevance of 8+5?

Also, maybe MP is a closet Swiftie.

Peeking out of my lurking to add that this is an amazing observation and, in my own personal head cannon, the answer to the question "why was the announcement made now?".

I became a fan during the ToT tour, and had become full acolyte by the time Octavarium came out. At the time, it was a bit disappointing (and it's still not one of my favourites musically), but it felt like every day there were new "nuggetz" discovered. That era was just SO much fun to be a fan, beyond  all of the music.

HOF - Octavarium used a lot of references to 8 and 5 (initially referring an octave and the circle of fifths), and these numbers continued to pop up all over the album/artwork/tour, and became referred to as hidden "nuggetz".  Here is a good primer (although I remember the preferred spelling being with a "z"):
https://dreamtheater.fandom.com/wiki/Octavarium_(album)#5/8_Concept_and_nuggets

[HOF]

Am I late to the party? Or did someone already point out that Mike was out for 13 years.

8+5=13

Also that Mangini was on 5 studio albums and 8 Dream Theater releases.

What's the relevance of 8+5?

Also, maybe MP is a closet Swiftie.

Peeking out of my lurking to add that this is an amazing observation and, in my own personal head cannon, the answer to the question "why was the announcement made now?".

I became a fan during the ToT tour, and had become full acolyte by the time Octavarium came out. At the time, it was a bit disappointing (and it's still not one of my favourites musically), but it felt like every day there were new "nuggetz" discovered. That era was just SO much fun to be a fan, beyond  all of the music.

HOF - Octavarium used a lot of references to 8 and 5 (initially referring an octave and the circle of fifths), and these numbers continued to pop up all over the album/artwork/tour, and became referred to as hidden "nuggetz".  Here is a good primer (although I remember the preferred spelling being with a "z"):
https://dreamtheater.fandom.com/wiki/Octavarium_(album)#5/8_Concept_and_nuggets

Ah, I definitely remember the nuggetz craze with 8V, but I didn't remember the 5 part.

[ariich]

I mean, that was what spawned fiveeight as a whole separate forum.

[axeman90210]

I thought it was the JR "I'd hit it in 5/8" meme

[gzarruk]

Am I late to the party? Or did someone already point out that Mike was out for 13 years.

8+5=13

Also that Mangini was on 5 studio albums and 8 Dream Theater releases.

It was all part of the plan!

[cramx3]

All of this talk of Rush looking to tour again and those guys looking for a drummer makes me think, wouldn't it be funny if MP left DT for Rush before he could even really rejoin?  It always felt like he was the perfect person for that job if it ever came to it.

[Madman Shepherd]

All of this talk of Rush looking to tour again and those guys looking for a drummer makes me think, wouldn't it be funny if MP left DT for Rush before he could even really rejoin?  It always felt like he was the perfect person for that job if it ever came to it.

What if they ended up getting Mike Mangini since Portnoy is a little booked.

[bosk1]

Never was a Rush fan, but I would do just about anything to see a DT/Rush tour with Mangini on drums for Rush.

[cramx3]

That would be pretty cool

[gzarruk]

All of this talk of Rush looking to tour again and those guys looking for a drummer makes me think, wouldn't it be funny if MP left DT for Rush before he could even really rejoin?  It always felt like he was the perfect person for that job if it ever came to it.

"Hey guys! About that five year break I wanted to take earlier..."

[DTiwbwMP]

All of this talk of Rush looking to tour again and those guys looking for a drummer makes me think, wouldn't it be funny if MP left DT for Rush before he could even really rejoin?  It always felt like he was the perfect person for that job if it ever came to it.

I doubt MP would do that, but I guarantee he at least feels torn about this. I agree that he was THE PERFECT fit for a Rush tour. Would have LOVED to see that.

[gborland]

That would actually be simultaneously hilarious and tragic.

[Setlist Scotty]

Judging by who Geddy and Alex have played with already, as much as I would love to see MP play with them, I highly doubt he would even be given much consideration. I'd expect someone like Danny Carey or Matt Cameron to get the gig if they were just gonna go with a single drummer. Would also love to see MM play with them, too. He would actually be a better fit than MP given his playing style (learning the parts and holding true to them) and his personality might be a better fit too. But I don't think they would go with him either.

[Mladen]

If Mike Portnoy had a choice between joining Rush and rejoining Dream Theater, I think he would have still gone back to Dream Theater.

[ReaPsTA]

Am I late to the party? Or did someone already point out that Mike was out for 13 years.

8+5=13

Also that Mangini was on 5 studio albums and 8 Dream Theater releases.

TRAPPED

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THIS

[hefdaddy42]

Here's an interview with Dino Jelusick where he talks about his involvement with Mike Mangini's solo album - he recommended oe of the guitar players and was going to sing on the album as well, but his litigation with Frontiers stopped him from doing so. It's at the 12 minute mark, and he also talks about having long calls with Jordan Rudess and about congratulating MP on his return to DT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FgyuSvpadQ&t=1042s

Is there a single musician out there that has beef with Jordan Rudess? Kind of amazing.

Derek Sherinian?   

Nah.  "Beef" implies you were wronged by the person you have beef with.  JR never did anything to Derek. 

Derek has no beef with JR, he's just an asshole.

[Stadler]

And I'm pretty sure they'd all jump over each other to make sure that it's not RUSH without Neil, and yada yada yada. 

[hefdaddy42]

And I'm pretty sure they'd all jump over each other to make sure that it's not RUSH without Neil, and yada yada yada.

*shrugs*

If Geddy and Alex are playing, and THEY say it's Rush, then it's Rush.

[Stadler]

And I'm pretty sure they'd all jump over each other to make sure that it's not RUSH without Neil, and yada yada yada.

*shrugs*

If Geddy and Alex are playing, and THEY say it's Rush, then it's Rush.

Of course.  I was talking about Geddy and Alex.  I can't imagine them not saying at some point "it's not really Rush without Neil", the same way Plant and Page continually say "it's not Led Zeppelin without a Bonham".

[The Letter M]

And I'm pretty sure they'd all jump over each other to make sure that it's not RUSH without Neil, and yada yada yada.

*shrugs*

If Geddy and Alex are playing, and THEY say it's Rush, then it's Rush.

Of course.  I was talking about Geddy and Alex.  I can't imagine them not saying at some point "it's not really Rush without Neil", the same way Plant and Page continually say "it's not Led Zeppelin without a Bonham".

And let's not forget Rush we're a band with an album before Neil joined, so if they returned with a final album and/or tour without him, it would just basically book-end with their debut.

-Marc.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

Never was a Rush fan, but I would do just about anything to see a DT/Rush tour with Mangini on drums for Rush.

Same. But I wonder how the majority of Rush fans would react to Mangini.

[Dream Team]

Well they're mostly incredible snobs (outside this forum), so probably not well.

[HOF]

Even if Geddy and Alex get another drummer, I doubt they are doing a major tour. Maybe a handful of special dates. Might not be impossible for MP to do that in addition to DT.

But I think Scotty is right. It's probably gonna be someone like Cameron, Carey, or Grohl.

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

I mean why not get MM to join Rush, that would stir the pot.

[wolfking]

Even if Geddy and Alex get another drummer, I doubt they are doing a major tour. Maybe a handful of special dates. Might not be impossible for MP to do that in addition to DT.

But I think Scotty is right. It's probably gonna be someone like Cameron, Carey, or Grohl.

Could Matt Cameron or Dave Grohl really fill the seat of Neil?  Carey not a problem, obviously.

[lightningbolt]

If Mike Portnoy had a choice between joining Rush and rejoining Dream Theater, I think he would have still gone back to Dream Theater.

I agree.  At this point, I'd think he would rejoin the band he co-founded and that was his "baby" for 25 years.  Especially since he has long-desired this - how many times after the breakup did he state publicly that he'd be open to rejoining/wanted to do so?  Not to mention the effort he has made to reconcile with the other guys where necessary. 

[lightningbolt]

As for them doing Metropolis 3, I can't see it.  Story aside, where would they go musically from Scenes from a Memory without repeating themselves or risking a flop with something tied to an album & song most DT fans love?  Seems unnecessarily risky, especially as their first album after reuniting with Portnoy.  I could maybe see them considering something along those lines if we get additional reunited albums, but I'd be willing to bet against a full album pt 3 at this point.  A single track on a future album would seem a little more likely. 

I think he was being very kind to that fan by humoring him after he asked a ridiculous question.  Of all things you could ask after he finally rejoins the band, why would you ask that ? 

[WilliamMunny]

Even if Geddy and Alex get another drummer, I doubt they are doing a major tour. Maybe a handful of special dates. Might not be impossible for MP to do that in addition to DT.

But I think Scotty is right. It's probably gonna be someone like Cameron, Carey, or Grohl.

Could Matt Cameron or Dave Grohl really fill the seat of Neil?  Carey not a problem, obviously.

I don't know that Grohl has the finesse, but Matt Cameron is an incredibly skilled drummer, far more than his work with Soundgarden or PJ gives him credit for. He also is an excellent singer (PJ's secret weapon live), so I could see him really adding something to a Rush tribute in a way that embraces Peart's legacy without merely copying his parts.

[Lonk]

Even if Geddy and Alex get another drummer, I doubt they are doing a major tour. Maybe a handful of special dates. Might not be impossible for MP to do that in addition to DT.

But I think Scotty is right. It's probably gonna be someone like Cameron, Carey, or Grohl.

Could Matt Cameron or Dave Grohl really fill the seat of Neil?  Carey not a problem, obviously.

I was thinking the same.