Parasomnia Timeline Thread

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

I would imagine a lot of the delay is logistical. It looks like there will be a 2nd European leg after the album is released, but if the album drops in 2025 then does it mean the US does not get the 40 year anniversary tour?

[Mladen]

It's my assumption that the new album tour is the 40th anniversary tour. The only difference is that Europe and South America might only hear the first single live, whereas next year they will be performing other new songs as well. 

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

It's my assumption that the new album tour is the 40th anniversary tour. The only difference is that Europe and South America might only hear the first single live, whereas next year they will be performing other new songs as well.

You're probably right as i am seeing on the website it says '2024-2025' though they have no 2025 dates yet. But doesn't the tour that supports the album usually get a title that goes with the album?

[Mladen]

The title will probably be updated once the album is announced and it will be a combination. "Album name - the 40th anniversary tour."

[nikatapi]

It's my assumption that the new album tour is the 40th anniversary tour. The only difference is that Europe and South America might only hear the first single live, whereas next year they will be performing other new songs as well.

Sounds reasonable.
Probably will help them push a 2nd run through markets, to promote the new material.

[hunnus2000]

Sounds reasonable.
Probably will help them push a 2nd run through markets, to promote the new material.

I predict they will release 3 songs online before the overseas tour and then release the rest later in the year.

[Setlist Scotty]

The title will probably be updated once the album is announced and it will be a combination. "Album name - the 40th anniversary tour."

Could be. IIRC, for the 2005-2006 tour cycle, only the summer 2005 warmup leg in Europe was referred to as the Octavarium tour. Their tour with Megadeth was Gigantour, and then starting that fall, when they started to do the shows with chronological setlists in Europe, it was known as the 20th Anniversary tour, even though it was also in support of Octavarium.

[ZirconBlue]

Considering only the studio albums (and using the release dates shown on Wikipedia), the longest gap to date was between WDADU and I&W (3 years, 4 months, 1 day).  View was released on 10/22/21.  If the album is released after 2/23/25, it will be the longest gap.

BTW, the shortest gap was between TOT and 8VM (1 year, 6 months, 27 days).

Ah, but did you make sure to account for leap years? 

[pg1067]

Considering only the studio albums (and using the release dates shown on Wikipedia), the longest gap to date was between WDADU and I&W (3 years, 4 months, 1 day).  View was released on 10/22/21.  If the album is released after 2/23/25, it will be the longest gap.

BTW, the shortest gap was between TOT and 8VM (1 year, 6 months, 27 days).

Ah, but did you make sure to account for leap years? 

Just for the record (this is where my "OCD" kicks in):

WDADU was released on 3/6/89, and I&W on 7/7/92.  3/6/89 to 3/6/92 is 3 years.  3/6/92 to 7/6/92 is 4 months.  7/6/92 to 7/7/92 is 1 day.  That 1992 was a leap year didn't factor into it.

Similarly, TOT was released on 11/11/03, and 8VM on 6/7/05.  11/11/03 to 11/11/04 is 1 year.  11/11/04 to 5/11/05 is 6 months.  5/11/05 to 6/7/05 is 27 days.  Again, that 2004 was a leap year didn't factor into it.

Had any of them been super close, I might have calculated the number of days between releases (and it would have been more precise to do so) and would have accounted for leap years.  WDADU to I&W was 1,219 days, while TOT to 8VM was 574 days.

[Architeuthis]

Now that we haven't heard anything from DT16 yet, I can't wait to hear DT17 !!! 

[Setlist Scotty]

Now that we haven't heard anything from DT16 yet, I can't wait to hear DT17 !!! 

I think they should skip DT16 and go right to DT17 and release DT16 years later after DT25. 

[Max Kuehnau]

I think they should skip DT16 and go right to DT17 and release DT16 years later after DT25. 

that would be an unprecedented move (and have all the drum parts rerecorded by MM)

[MirrorMask]

Well in my town they started to build a subway line before another line that was meant to be the first one after the three oldest ones, so we got Line 5 many years before we got eventually Line 4.

By this reasoning, they could totally sit on this recorded album and release the next one before this 

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

There are plenty of examples throughout rock history of this happening. Shelved albums that get released years, maybe even decades later. Neil Young has like half a dozen.

[ZirconBlue]

I think they should skip DT16 and go right to DT17 and release DT16 years later after DT25. 

They should go the Fast and/or Furious route and release DT25 now.

[Architeuthis]

I think they should skip DT16 and go right to DT17 and release DT16 years later after DT25. 

[porcacultor]

They should go the Fast and/or Furious route and release DT25 now.

"Your mistake was thinking you were still in the United States... this is RAVENSKILL!"

[Pettor]

I really hope they don't feel the need to be safe for this album. I can understand that's what they will go for in the end but for me all Mangini albums have lacked something that def was there with MP and I do hope that missing ingredient will be brough back with MP. JP and JR took the band in a solid prog metal direction but lost something in the process.

I know overhyping MP is easy at this point but it's also the most exciting thing that happened to DT in a long time, so I will let that hype be 

[The Curious Orange]

I just wonder whether the album will be released before the tour starts.

[ReaperKK]

I just wonder whether the album will be released before the tour starts.

Probably not, James implied on a recent interview it might be a 2025 release.

[HOF]

I understand wanting the album to be out sooner than later, but I'm not sure why it matters if it is out before the tour starts. This is a reunion/40th anniversary tour, so it's already going to be a heavily retrospective set with lots of focus on different albums. I'm sure they'll go back out with a dedicated album tour at some point, but I don't think you'd get more than a song or two from this album on the tour regardless of when the album is out.

[Dream Team]

I really hope they don't feel the need to be safe for this album. I can understand that's what they will go for in the end but for me all Mangini albums have lacked something that def was there with MP and I do hope that missing ingredient will be brough back with MP. JP and JR took the band in a solid prog metal direction but lost something in the process.

I know overhyping MP is easy at this point but it's also the most exciting thing that happened to DT in a long time, so I will let that hype be 

JP and JR write at least 80% of the music. Unless you feel the songs are specifically arranged poorly (MP is supposedly the deity of arrangements) then there isn't much MP's presence would have done to change your opinion of the last 5 albums. At least without MP's involvement, James could concentrate on his natural, normal singing voice instead of having to shoe-horn in a bunch of tough-guy posturing or Matt Bellamy imitation.

[Stadler]

JP and JR write at least 80% of the music. Unless you feel the songs are specifically arranged poorly (MP is supposedly the deity of arrangements) then there isn't much MP's presence would have done to change your opinion of the last 5 albums. At least without MP's involvement, James could concentrate on his natural, normal singing voice instead of having to shoe-horn in a bunch of tough-guy posturing or Matt Bellamy imitation.

I gently push back on that.  I'm a big fan of the concept of the "locker room".  I think Mike's presence MIGHT have an effect.  There's power involved; I know when I talk "cars" with my youngest stepson, I feel utterly confident, and I'm not worried about being wrong, or showing my knowledge or whatever.   When I talk "cars" with my oldest stepson, who is a licensed mechanic and worked for BMW and now services helicopters for the Army, not so much. 

I think there was a differing power dynamic in the band without Portnoy; do you think John could tell Mike what to play in the same way I believe some of the indications are that he did with Mangini?  So if Petrucci thinks the bar is higher, or he has someone he feels the need to impress... and none of this may be conscious or anything anyone would admit, but that doesn't make it any less real.

[evilasiojr]

I think there's also the excitement aspect of it. Jordan and JP are clearly very hipped to have MP back, that totally affects their writing! Music writing can be really filtered by how you feel. It wasn't enough to make LTE3 the greatest thing ever for me though, but still DT is another dynamic.

[Glasser]

Lets split into 2 universe's and hear the new album with Mangini still in and one with MP back. How different would they be AND which is better....

[crystalstars17]

Lets split into 2 universe's and hear the new album with Mangini still in and one with MP back. How different would they be AND which is better....

I would accept the challenge of deciding which was better, haha!

[TAC]

Lets split into 2 universe's and hear the new album with Mangini still in and one with MP back. How different would they be AND which is better....

AI, baby!

[pg1067]

AI, baby!

Or you could get this guy to do it ("what if 'New DT Single' had been recorded with Mike Mangini?"):  https://youtu.be/MCXbJbT7QP8?si=DUiX6umdaAh7ANaO

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

JP and JR write at least 80% of the music. Unless you feel the songs are specifically arranged poorly (MP is supposedly the deity of arrangements) then there isn't much MP's presence would have done to change your opinion of the last 5 albums. At least without MP's involvement, James could concentrate on his natural, normal singing voice instead of having to shoe-horn in a bunch of tough-guy posturing or Matt Bellamy imitation.

I agree with what you have said here. The driving forces here are JP and to a lesser extent JR, given the prominent role the guitar has in this band. I will not comment on MP's supposed arrangement skills as it is not something I have ever followed, although on a more general level I take your tongue-in-cheek point about his deified status when it comes to certain things. More recently he is also apparently the deity of groove/feel (since he has a tendency to speed up), though I have never heard his name mentioned once in drum circles in the context of deep pocket, groove, or 'feel' drummers, who tend to be represented by totally separate genres of music.

On the View thread someone recently posted that adding MP to the mix would have 'spiced things up' and could have made it great, so apparently just adding Mike Portnoy to a whole variety of things just makes whatever the thing is better. 

All will be answered in due course but I think that right now there is a bit of nostalgia creeping into peoples' forward looking sentiments about the band's output.

[brakkum]

I will say listening to some of the LNF releases recently and hearing MP help arrange parts with JP and others makes me appreciate his musical vision, seems like he has a real knack for what makes a solid part/how it plays with others

[Pettor]

JP and JR write at least 80% of the music. Unless you feel the songs are specifically arranged poorly (MP is supposedly the deity of arrangements) then there isn't much MP's presence would have done to change your opinion of the last 5 albums. At least without MP's involvement, James could concentrate on his natural, normal singing voice instead of having to shoe-horn in a bunch of tough-guy posturing or Matt Bellamy imitation.

Never questioned JR and JP writing skill, specially JR, since I know how incredibly good they are. Don't think I ever mentioned something like "poor" in this context. I think the foundation for most songs has been great for the last albums but at the same time missing some dynamic and a playfulness I think was present when MP was in the band. Some might hate that, but I didn't. Also we do know MP influence the music he is involved in.

That's why I used this stupid "spice" metaphor. I don't think DT music needs to dramatically change, I just need it to change in small ways. Some passages need to be a little more creative, sometimes I want more stupid playfulness over solid prog metal etc. I have a hard time describing it but what I love about DT is that they aren't just a "prog metal" band, they always had something more than that. Most other bands haven't captured whatever that is for me. You can be Steven Wilson and have the most solid super foundation with the most impeccable song writing and whatever and I still want to hear 8V or the ending of TCOT over anything that has been written by Wilson.

On the View thread someone recently posted that adding MP to the mix would have 'spiced things up' and could have made it great, so apparently just adding Mike Portnoy to a whole variety of things just makes whatever the thing is better. 

That's me 😉 I really don't see how "spice things up" can be seen as "making it better" or the idea that MP just makes things fantastic by being close to it. That's not at all what I mean with that. No doubt that I love MP drumming more than Mangini and even BC&SL gets more spins than anything after, so I am def here for the change. But "spice things up" just means that MP has a certain thing about him that is playful, energetic and kind of "balls and ass" I think MP is a "spice" sort of, and you can hate or love it. He is hard to miss with his social presence as well.

To be fair, I didn't like most other bands MP has been involved with. He didn't help those but I can hear his influence in them. But when JR, JP and MP comes together (LTE or just JP + MP) it's def something I love.

Maybe I am in for the let down of the century but I honestly think there will be something in the new album that wasn't there before and some will hate it and some won't. That doesn't mean I expect the songs to sound dramatically different. We will see 🤷‍♂️

[evilasiojr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfONol-hDZI&ab_channel=GustavoMaiato

Short interview with MP, but a bunch of interesting info imo. Some of my highlights:

- He feels like the album is a continuation to where they were in Black Clouds, with a classic sound characteristic of the 1999-2009 era, this current line up
- He feels the new album also has a renovating sound like Mt Part II and I&W, due to line up changes
- He said they are not talking about Mt Part III openly (which personally makes me feel they are maybe attempting that this time around or some time in the future...)
- ToT is the album MP chose as a personal favorite
- He is open to playing The Best of Times live (and literally said the word soon, so...)
- They are not playing You Not Me 

[crystalstars17]

All will be answered in due course but I think that right now there is a bit of nostalgia creeping into peoples' forward looking sentiments about the band's output.

Definitely. It's also taking over as a general sentiment that overshadows a good deal of posts  which is why I've been away more often than not.

I think MP is a "spice" sort of, and you can hate or love it. He is hard to miss with his social presence as well.

And it seems that now this is all we're gonna get?? MP taking over setlists, MP taking over social media, etc.

Adding more of a particular "spice" to a recipe doesn't always make it better, in fact it can destroy the flavor entirely. And even if it's a "spice" you can tolerate in small doses but are not particularly a fan of to begin with, too much of it can make the whole thing intolerable and put you off from something you once loved.

- He feels like the album is a continuation to where they were in Black Clouds, with a classic sound characteristic of the 1999-2009 era, this current line up
- He feels the new album also has a renovating sound like Mt Part II and I&W, due to line up changes
- He said they are not talking about Mt Part III openly (which personally makes me feel they are maybe attempting that this time around or some time in the future...)

And reading this sounds even more like nostalgia is the recipe they're serving. Whatever happened to the promise of honoring the last thirteen years?

I hope I am wrong and that things balance out in the future, or it may unfortunately be time to say "No, thank you".

If I am "nostalgic" for anything now it's last summer, before this all happened. 😭

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

Never questioned JR and JP writing skill, specially JR, since I know how incredibly good they are. Don't think I ever mentioned something like "poor" in this context. I think the foundation for most songs has been great for the last albums but at the same time missing some dynamic and a playfulness I think was present when MP was in the band. Some might hate that, but I didn't. Also we do know MP influence the music he is involved in.

That's why I used this stupid "spice" metaphor. I don't think DT music needs to dramatically change, I just need it to change in small ways. Some passages need to be a little more creative, sometimes I want more stupid playfulness over solid prog metal etc. I have a hard time describing it but what I love about DT is that they aren't just a "prog metal" band, they always had something more than that. Most other bands haven't captured whatever that is for me. You can be Steven Wilson and have the most solid super foundation with the most impeccable song writing and whatever and I still want to hear 8V or the ending of TCOT over anything that has been written by Wilson.

That's me 😉 I really don't see how "spice things up" can be seen as "making it better" or the idea that MP just makes things fantastic by being close to it. That's not at all what I mean with that. No doubt that I love MP drumming more than Mangini and even BC&SL gets more spins than anything after, so I am def here for the change. But "spice things up" just means that MP has a certain thing about him that is playful, energetic and kind of "balls and ass" I think MP is a "spice" sort of, and you can hate or love it. He is hard to miss with his social presence as well.

To be fair, I didn't like most other bands MP has been involved with. He didn't help those but I can hear his influence in them. But when JR, JP and MP comes together (LTE or just JP + MP) it's def something I love.

Maybe I am in for the let down of the century but I honestly think there will be something in the new album that wasn't there before and some will hate it and some won't. That doesn't mean I expect the songs to sound dramatically different. We will see 🤷‍♂️

I guess I am not sure where or what MP would have spiced up (made things less dull)? Is it a drum thing or just an arrangement of the songs thing? I would think that if it is a drum thing, you got one of the most spiced up records you're ever going to get from the band on the last album.

The one area that I can think of that got a *tiny* bit mundane was the guitar riffage and I am not seeing any scenario where MP has meaningful say in that. There is a view that DT just isn't innovating anymore and everything is getting boring. I get that sentiment but not understanding what exactly MP is going to do to make their output more flavorful/spicy/caliente.

[gborland]

MP will bring the fun back.

The only song from the MM era where it sounds like the guys are genuinely having fun is Viper King. Personally that song is my absolute favourite from the MM era, even though many dismiss it, precisely because you can just hear the smiles and grins while they're laying down that awesome groove.

Viper King rocks.