DT filming in London

DarkLord_Lalinc · February 21, 2020, 09:19:54 PM

I've seen some of the clips from tonight's show on YouTube and LaBrie sounded OK. He's had a pretty rough run this tour judging from most recordings I've heard but I feel definitely the night off helped him get in a better spot vocally.

I understand people are not feeling very excited for this release, but it makes all the sense in the world to record and release this show. SFAM is their money cow and they gotta keep getting milk from it as much as they can. That's not meant as a criticism in any way, because I'm probably buying it because I get excited every time DT works and records new stuff live. Also, I feel that DOT is probably their most acclaimed MM-era release up to date, so documenting this particular moment in time sounds like a good move. (I know that ADTOE had a pretty good reception back in its day, but it still had that "DT without MP" feel to it).

That being said, I would've rather had an Astonishing live release. It's quite a shame their biggest stage production ever didn't get a proper documentation (or maybe it did and for some reason the band opted to not release it). Also, the highly rumored Back at Budokan show from the Images Anniversary Tour would've been a nice release as well. Maybe they're planning a massive 3 tours-Blu Ray release? I know that's probably 95% unlikely but bands like Nightwish have done it. It's definitely doable, but I sadly do not see it happening. They have the Budokan footage (which is gorgeous by the way) and every show they've done in the past 10 years recorded in Pro Tools. It's just a matter of business, I think.

In a final note, I'd love if DT did something like Metallica's YouTube channel. I'm quite aware that Metallica is in a whole other level (financially speaking) and they can basically pro shot every show they do and release hundreds of professionally filmed and mixed shows, but I feel DT has the infrastructure to do something similar. YouTube is where every video ends up nowadays. Blu Rays aren't even a big business anymore (I'm not sure they ever were), so maybe DT can catch up with the times and do something interesting with their brand new release? I dunno.

Cool Chris · February 21, 2020, 09:41:01 PM

Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 21, 2020, 09:19:54 PM
Blu Rays aren't even a big business anymore (I'm not sure they ever were)

I was thinking about this angle but wasn't sure how to approach it. I assume live video releases make money (or enough downstream pub to warrant the cost), or else no band would ever release one. But as you said if they aren't a solid revenue stream, what's the future for live video releases? Do they go the way of film in general with the focus on streaming?

DarkLord_Lalinc · February 21, 2020, 09:49:42 PM

Quote from: Cool Chris on February 21, 2020, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on February 21, 2020, 09:19:54 PM
Blu Rays aren't even a big business anymore (I'm not sure they ever were)

I was thinking about this angle but wasn't sure how to approach it. I assume live video releases make money (or enough downstream pub to warrant the cost), or else no band would ever release one. But as you said if they aren't a solid revenue stream, what's the future for live video releases? Do they go the way of film in general with the focus on streaming?

That's a pretty good question (and pretty hard to answer, I believe), but I feel definitely YouTube is the answer (or at least part it). Metallica have 20 or 25 different live versions of Creeping Death filmed at various concerts and people still keep coming back to watch them all. Even though they release it for free, they make money with that, and because they are always uploading new content the YouTube algorithm sends you over constantly to their channel. I know DT is not Metallica and that strategy is not as simple as it sounds for "smaller" bands but maybe DT can grab a thing or two from that ideology. The whole concert is gonna end up ripped and uploaded in YouTube by unofficial channels either way. DT SHOULD upload all their live concerts to their YouTube channel so most of the views (and $$) flows directly to them and not the third parties who upload their stuff. For example, if I want to watch something off BTFW, I'll probably just YouTube it (and I have to go through those annoying yellow subtitle videos - which I'm sure we've all have seen at some point - because I'm too lazy to actually play my Blu Ray these days). Every band should counter this by being the first ones to have all their videography up and running in YouTube in optimal quality. That's a way to make money in this day an age of digital consumption.

I'm no expert at these matters, so if anyone is more knowledgeable in this area I would love some enlightenment, but on the other hand as I see it luckily there's always gonna be market for a music/video in a physical medium, even if that market keeps growing smaller every passing day. A good chunk of DT's fan base are die hard prog fans who cherish their CD/DVD/vinyl/cassette collection so much they're going to keep buying stuff DT releases (myself included, although as I stated earlier I'll buy it and watch it from its original medium once or twice and I'll just YouTube the hell out of it afterwards.)

Rammstein · February 22, 2020, 04:57:12 AM

Just take a look at what MP is doing with his projects. Just look at all the Neal Morse band live releases. Those projects have a way smaller than what DT could do

goo-goo · February 22, 2020, 07:03:17 AM

Marillion just released their video app. DT can go that route as well. But Youtube is where everyone goes so YT would be the better option imo.

http://www.marillion.com/news/newsitem.htm?id=469

bosk1 · February 24, 2020, 07:57:03 AM

Quote from: TAC on February 21, 2020, 07:57:54 PMTo hear James had a tough night isn't making me feel good.

I dunno about that. The clips I've heard mostly sounded pretty good.

SeRoX · February 24, 2020, 08:03:45 AM

Yeah. Especially Barstool Warrior which he seems to struggle most at previous shows he sounded amazing to me in London.

TAC · February 24, 2020, 08:27:43 AM

Quote from: bosk1 on February 24, 2020, 07:57:03 AM
Quote from: TAC on February 21, 2020, 07:57:54 PMTo hear James had a tough night isn't making me feel good.

I dunno about that. The clips I've heard mostly sounded pretty good.

Oh, OK. I haven't watched any clips but went based on (I forget who posted it) a remark.

Oddly, I went on youtube last night to specifically look for a performance, but I stumbled upon the HD/IEM Loud Park 2014 show and I watched the entire thing.

Architeuthis · February 24, 2020, 08:59:10 AM

I'll take the physical copy any day over that streaming/ YouTube compressed crap. So much gets lost in the sound spectrum and you have to deal with commercials. I can't believe people are too lazy to put in a dvd/blu-ray and watch it on a nice HD tv with a big sounding stereo system. That's the whole idea of making these kind of releases in the first place. C'mon people!

Lupton · February 24, 2020, 11:36:32 AM

Quote from: Architeuthis on February 24, 2020, 08:59:10 AM
I'll take the physical copy any day over that streaming/ YouTube compressed crap. So much gets lost in the sound spectrum and you have to deal with commercials. I can't believe people are too lazy to put in a dvd/blu-ray and watch it on a nice HD tv with a big sounding stereo system. That's the whole idea of making these kind of releases in the first place. C'mon people!

Amen brother!

Architeuthis · April 21, 2020, 01:59:29 PM

I was wondering with all this downtime due to the pandemic, if this might be a good opportunity for DT to get on the production of the upcoming dvd for perhaps a earlier release. I don't know all the logistics, but it might be a good thing. It would probably sell quite well as this would be a great opportunity to watch it at home. I mean, why wait? Unless it's considered non-essential, I think every DT fan around the globe would love to have this right now. As far as I'm concerned, it's very essential! 🎶

Max Kuehnau · April 21, 2020, 02:15:53 PM

Quote from: Architeuthis on April 21, 2020, 01:59:29 PM
I was wondering with all this downtime due to the pandemic, if this might be a good opportunity for DT to get on the production of the upcoming dvd for perhaps a earlier release. I don't know all the logistics, but it might be a good thing. It would probably sell quite well as this would be a great opportunity to watch it at home. I mean, why wait? Unless it's considered non-essential, I think every DT fan around the globe would love to have this right now. As far as I'm concerned, it's very essential! 🎶

me either, but I would guess that some of James' parts need to be re-recorded and some other messups too probably. (see for yourselves, the following are audience recordings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RfBDTb1eAc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLwFR8R9g_A) This is not meant to be a slight on James (those who know me know I'm not one to put him down)

cramx3 · April 21, 2020, 03:12:54 PM

I was thinking about this the other day as well, I hope they put a lot of focus on getting this out sooner than later as a lot of fans will eat it up. However, I also don't know the logistics and if that's even possible.

TheOutlawXanadu · April 21, 2020, 03:32:05 PM

Man, I have been so out of it. I had no idea they were filming a show. I'm looking really forward to seeing some of the DOT songs live. And even if it wasn't James's best night, I imagine they'll do some touch ups (?).

pg1067 · April 21, 2020, 03:55:07 PM

I would imagine that, while audio and video production could be done under the present circumstances, physical production of media won't be terribly likely for a little while.

cramx3 · April 21, 2020, 04:04:45 PM

Quote from: pg1067 on April 21, 2020, 03:55:07 PM
I would imagine that, while audio and video production could be done under the present circumstances, physical production of media won't be terribly likely for a little while.

But a lot of bands seem to be releasing albums soonish. My gut would have thought the same thing, but maybe production is often automated enough that the factories can still make it happen? Like I said before, I really have no idea how this works so I'm just thinking aloud.

gzarruk · April 21, 2020, 04:20:46 PM

James is currently building a home studio, so maybe he'll do the touch ups there once it's done?

MirrorMask · April 22, 2020, 12:08:18 AM

Quote from: cramx3 on April 21, 2020, 04:04:45 PM
Quote from: pg1067 on April 21, 2020, 03:55:07 PM
I would imagine that, while audio and video production could be done under the present circumstances, physical production of media won't be terribly likely for a little while.

But a lot of bands seem to be releasing albums soonish. My gut would have thought the same thing, but maybe production is often automated enough that the factories can still make it happen? Like I said before, I really have no idea how this works so I'm just thinking aloud.

Apples and oranges given the size of the two bands, but Wardruna, a folk band from Norway which uses a lot of traditional instruments, postponed the release of their album to the next year because the manufacturing suffered from the lockdown. They're famous in the genre but fairly small all things considered, I don't know if DT could not face this as an issue.

MoraWintersoul · April 22, 2020, 01:10:19 AM

Quote from: TAC on February 24, 2020, 08:27:43 AM
Oddly, I went on youtube last night to specifically look for a performance, but I stumbled upon the HD/IEM Loud Park 2014 show and I watched the entire thing.

This happens to me so often

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