DT15: A View From The Top Of The World (Timeline for DT15)

[gzarruk]

IIRC, both the Haken album and LTE3 were delayed so that's why they were available so "early" to reviewers.

As for the current promo cycle for DT, it's pretty standard for Inside Out to start promoting their albums 3 months before release. It was the same for DOT and most of their big releases nowadays.

If they continue their usual practice, we should be getting a single quite soon and reviewers should be getting their promo copies too.

[Glasser]

IIRC, both the Haken album and LTE3 were delayed so that's why they were available so "early" to reviewers.

As for the current promo cycle for DT, it's pretty standard for Inside Out to start promoting their albums 3 months before release. It was the same for DOT and most of their big releases nowadays.

If they continue their usual practice, we should be getting a single quite soon and reviewers should be getting their promo copies too.

Yes, I recall them being delayed. Looking forward to buying the new DT on cd. Streams are not the same experience, not even close obviously.

[IDontNotDoThings]

This conversation inspired me to dig up this info. Perhaps we can extrapolate a prediction from this or something.

A View...:
Announcement: 28 Jul (12 weeks before release)
(source: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=54868.msg2794100#msg2794100)
1st single: 13 Aug (10 weeks before release)
Release: 22 Oct

Distance Over Time:
Announcement: implied 3 Nov (16 weeks before release)
(source: closest I could find was https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=52696.msg2487649#msg2487649)
1st single: 7 Dec (11 weeks before release)
2nd single: 11 Jan (6 weeks before release)
3rd single: 8 Feb (2 weeks before release)
Release: 22 Feb

The Astonishing:
Announcement: 3 Nov (12 weeks before release)
(source: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44975.0)
1st single: 3 Dec (8 weeks before release)
2nd single: 22 Jan (1 week before release)
Release: 29 Jan

Dream Theater (S/T):
Announcement: 6 Jul (11 weeks before release)
(source: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36530.0)
1st single: 5 Aug (7 weeks before release)
2nd single: 9 Sep (2 weeks before release)
Release: 23 Sep

A Dramatic Turn Of Events:
Announcement: 8 Jun (14 weeks before release)
(source: http://www.msopr.com/press-releases/dream-theater-announce-a-dramatic-turn-of-events/)
1st single: 29 Jun (11 weeks before release)
Release: 13 Sep

[Lax]

Since JP announced today the majesty 8 strings, I bet on the next single for immediate release to be the song recorded with it

[Architeuthis]

Since JP announced today the majesty 8 strings, I bet on the next single for immediate release to be the song recorded with it

Just seen the promo of the 8 string with JP,  it looks beautiful!   

[dream75]

I was told by a Sony/Inside Out rep they were not sure when or if a new single was being released.

Inside Out always releases 3 singles... Look Leprous, Neal Morse Band, LTE3 and also D / T

[illusionist]

Since JP announced today the majesty 8 strings, I bet on the next single for immediate release to be the song recorded with it

Just seen the promo of the 8 string with JP,  it looks beautiful!   

Link?

[dream75]

Since JP announced today the majesty 8 strings, I bet on the next single for immediate release to be the song recorded with it

ATM will not be the new single

[DreamerTV]

Since JP announced today the majesty 8 strings, I bet on the next single for immediate release to be the song recorded with it

Just seen the promo of the 8 string with JP,  it looks beautiful!   

Link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BtTf0tx7tc

[JRuless]

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[Architeuthis]

Since JP announced today the majesty 8 strings, I bet on the next single for immediate release to be the song recorded with it

Just seen the promo of the 8 string with JP,  it looks beautiful!   

Link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BtTf0tx7tc

Thanks DreamerTV!  That guitar looks like something built by NASA.   

[illusionist]

Since JP announced today the majesty 8 strings, I bet on the next single for immediate release to be the song recorded with it

Just seen the promo of the 8 string with JP,  it looks beautiful!   

Link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BtTf0tx7tc

Thanks!

[erwinrafael]

IIRC, both the Haken album and LTE3 were delayed so that's why they were available so "early" to reviewers.

As for the current promo cycle for DT, it's pretty standard for Inside Out to start promoting their albums 3 months before release. It was the same for DOT and most of their big releases nowadays.

If they continue their usual practice, we should be getting a single quite soon and reviewers should be getting their promo copies too.

Yes, I recall them being delayed. Looking forward to buying the new DT on cd. Streams are not the same experience, not even close obviously.

Starting around five years ago, I can not "hear" anymore the differences between CD-quality and hi-res download, but streams still do need to catch up. However, I still largely listen to streaming sites even if I already purchased a hi-res download because I feel like still helping the band earn revenues per listen. 

[Kotowboy]

If I buy an album on Vinyl these days - then Spotify is fine for 'out and about' listening. I'm not that much of a music quality snob to go

" I have to listen to this on CD quality on my £3,000,000 headphones just for walking around outside ".

Luckily a lot of Vinyls on Amazon come with a free MP3 download.

For everything else there's Mastercard Spotify.

[Wim Kruithof]

If I buy an album on Vinyl these days - then Spotify is fine for 'out and about' listening. I'm not that much of a music quality snob to go

" I have to listen to this on CD quality on my £3,000,000 headphones just for walking around outside ".

Luckily a lot of Vinyls on Amazon come with a free MP3 download.

For everything else there's Mastercard Spotify.

I follow what you're saying, but luckily for me there isn't much next to Dream Theater, except Pink Floyd. Not even TransAtlantic or Neal Morse comes this close to spend my precious musicmoments on. So if there's only Dream Theater to enjoy, than any vinyl is worth it's price.

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

Since JP announced today the majesty 8 strings, I bet on the next single for immediate release to be the song recorded with it

Just seen the promo of the 8 string with JP,  it looks beautiful!   

For a second there I was hoping the background music was the new 8 string track LOL. I think it's actually a song on his solo album instead.

Link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BtTf0tx7tc

Thanks!

[TheBarstoolWarrior]

Since JP announced today the majesty 8 strings, I bet on the next single for immediate release to be the song recorded with it

Just seen the promo of the 8 string with JP,  it looks beautiful!   

For a second there I was hoping the background music was the new 8 string track LOL. I think it's actually a song on his solo album instead.

Link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BtTf0tx7tc

Thanks!

Wow... I must be drunk. Somehow I posted my reply in someone else's text box. Anyway:

For a second there I was hoping the background music was the new 8 string track LOL. I think it's actually a song on his solo album instead.

[Max Kuehnau]

It is, it's Temple Of Circadia. The drum sound on there is a giveaway, that is clearly not MM.

[rab7]

This conversation inspired me to dig up this info. Perhaps we can extrapolate a prediction from this or something.

A View...:
Announcement: 28 Jul (12 weeks before release)
(source: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=54868.msg2794100#msg2794100)
1st single: 13 Aug (10 weeks before release)
Release: 22 Oct

Distance Over Time:
Announcement: implied 3 Nov (16 weeks before release)
(source: closest I could find was https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=52696.msg2487649#msg2487649)
1st single: 7 Dec (11 weeks before release)
2nd single: 11 Jan (6 weeks before release)
3rd single: 8 Feb (2 weeks before release)
Release: 22 Feb

The Astonishing:
Announcement: 3 Nov (12 weeks before release)
(source: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44975.0)
1st single: 3 Dec (8 weeks before release)
2nd single: 22 Jan (1 week before release)
Release: 29 Jan

Dream Theater (S/T):
Announcement: 6 Jul (11 weeks before release)
(source: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36530.0)
1st single: 5 Aug (7 weeks before release)
2nd single: 9 Sep (2 weeks before release)
Release: 23 Sep

A Dramatic Turn Of Events:
Announcement: 8 Jun (14 weeks before release)
(source: http://www.msopr.com/press-releases/dream-theater-announce-a-dramatic-turn-of-events/)
1st single: 29 Jun (11 weeks before release)
Release: 13 Sep

Anything from the Roadrunner era can be ignored, as they're a different company with different ways of promoting things.

It's better to compare this cycle to D/T or any of the recent Inside Out releases like LTE 3 (pretend it's the original release date and not the delayed one) and The Neal Morse Band

[bosk1]

I was told by a Sony/Inside Out rep they were not sure when or if a new single was being released.

So we are going to have to wait the last 5 weeks with no more music? 

anyone else find it odd how little the band has said about the album and the songwriting process? Feels like there is little PR or interviewing happening vs. the last 4 albums.

My guess is more will come out closer to release.

They started the hype cycle too far in advance. No one's going to get on a three month hype train too much else going on. Should have been two months max.

10 weeks is the standard industry promo cycle.

It depends on the label. Nuclear Blast does not release promos until a week before release. Frontiers Music about 3 weeks. I had Haken "Virus" 3 months ahead of the release date and LTE3 almost 2 months early. It varies for sure.

Oh, I know different labels do things differently.  I'm just saying, given what is typical (not to mention how DT normally do things), it doesn't make sense to complain about the new album announcement or first single having been "too early."

[ReaPsTA]

I was told by a Sony/Inside Out rep they were not sure when or if a new single was being released.

So we are going to have to wait the last 5 weeks with no more music? 

anyone else find it odd how little the band has said about the album and the songwriting process? Feels like there is little PR or interviewing happening vs. the last 4 albums.

My guess is more will come out closer to release.

They started the hype cycle too far in advance. No one's going to get on a three month hype train too much else going on. Should have been two months max.

10 weeks is the standard industry promo cycle.

It depends on the label. Nuclear Blast does not release promos until a week before release. Frontiers Music about 3 weeks. I had Haken "Virus" 3 months ahead of the release date and LTE3 almost 2 months early. It varies for sure.

Oh, I know different labels do things differently.  I'm just saying, given what is typical (not to mention how DT normally do things), it doesn't make sense to complain about the new album announcement or first single having been "too early."

But bosk, you don't understand. I need my content now.

But no in all seriousness I'm sure you're right and figured the timing was normal. But in the era of the internet I'm not sure it's smart. Doing something just because the way it was done is dangerous

[bosk1]

Doing something just because the way it was done is dangerous

Well, yes, in the abstract.  But we aren't talking about foreign policy, or going to the barber for your dentistry needs.  We're just talking about prog metal album promotion. 

[ReaPsTA]

Doing something just because the way it was done is dangerous

Well, yes, in the abstract.  But we aren't talking about foreign policy, or going to the barber for your dentistry needs.  We're just talking about prog metal album promotion.

Waiting for this album to come out is like waiting in the lobby of a dentist office

[Kotowboy]

It will be if you're literally counting the days. Distance Over Time feels like it just came out to me.

[Glasser]

I feel this forum should have an exclusive on anything that comes next from the new album. You all are such amazing, insightful and intelligent humans. The true DT fans are HERE!!!! You rule! 

[Kotowboy]

Well we have Bosk and Noxon who know the band personally.

[LKap13]

Can we get some more album reviews from people who've heard it?

[impolybius]

Can we get some more album reviews from people who've heard it?

+ one for this! I also wonder where people who've heard the whole album rank The Alien among the other songs:-)

[Glasser]

Can we get some more album reviews from people who've heard it?

+ one for this! I also wonder where people who've heard the whole album rank The Alien among the other songs:-)

I love the entire album start to finish, that said, if I wanted to release a single without giving away how truly EPIC the album is I would have chosen The Alien as the first single as well. I love the song but the rest of it is MASSIVE. But that's only my opinion.

[bosk1]

Can we get some more album reviews from people who've heard it?

+ one for this! I also wonder where people who've heard the whole album rank The Alien among the other songs:-)

Sure!


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My review:  I like it.

[Kotowboy]

Can you even give us a hint as to which album it most resembles ?

[Trav]

Can you even give us a hint as to which album it most resembles ?

Probably a Dream Theater album.

[bosk1]

Can you even give us a hint as to which album it most resembles ?

In all seriousness, I don't want to do that because, although there are definitely things in the DT-family that it reminds me of, I don't want to color people's perceptions and feed potentially false preconceived notions.

[Glasser]

Can you even give us a hint as to which album it most resembles ?

I can say with confidence that the album stands alone but scopes their entire career musically.

[Peter Mc]

I was told by a Sony/Inside Out rep they were not sure when or if a new single was being released.

So we are going to have to wait the last 5 weeks with no more music? 

anyone else find it odd how little the band has said about the album and the songwriting process? Feels like there is little PR or interviewing happening vs. the last 4 albums.

My guess is more will come out closer to release.

They started the hype cycle too far in advance. No one's going to get on a three month hype train too much else going on. Should have been two months max.

10 weeks is the standard industry promo cycle.

It depends on the label. Nuclear Blast does not release promos until a week before release. Frontiers Music about 3 weeks. I had Haken "Virus" 3 months ahead of the release date and LTE3 almost 2 months early. It varies for sure.

Aren't Beast In Black on Nuclear Blast?  The first single for their new album came out on 3rd September and the album does not come out until 29th October.