*Official* The Astonishing discussion thread

[rab7]

For sure it's not that often, but still more than any other I think.

Off the top of my head, I think the "Faythe/Love" theme has the most:

Dystopian Overture (French Horns)
Lord Nafaryus ("Arabelle who means the world to me")
Savior in the Square ("Never in my life did I deserve")
Act of Faythe
Road to Revolution ("I know when there is faith there's always hope")

This isn't including the parts where it's briefly quoted like in 2285 Entr'acte,The Walking Shadow, and Astonishing.

[ariich]

Great point. Though that's also not one of my favourites, so I stand by my original point.

[WhatsAnOwlVent]

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[Crow]

legit don't get why ravenskill is getting so much love, i find it one of the least interesting tracks on the first disc

[Train of Naught]

Bad opinion zone

[jakepriest]

legit don't get why ravenskill is getting so much love, i find it one of the least interesting tracks on the first disc

As always you are totally wrong. 

[ASacrificedSon]

Why do you guys keep saying that?
Parama has his own opinions and such, but you guys say that he is wrong. Why??

I mean, Black Clouds is my favorite Dream Theater album. For you guys it may be wrong, but for me, it isn't. What about people who dislike Ravenskill and thinks its uninteresting. Is that "wrong" or is that a "bad" opinion, simply because their tastes are different?

[jakepriest]

Why do you guys keep saying that?
Parama has his own opinions and such, but you guys say that he is wrong. Why??

I more or less see it as harmless fun. It's kind of a thing that me and Parama more or less never agree on anything, so I don't see anything wrong with making a little fun out it. 

[KevShmev]

I have listened to it every day since release.   

I can't say I've listened to all of it every day, but I have listened to some of it every day since its release.  It's an addictive record anyway, and it's so long that there are still songs that sound pretty new to me since I have listened to some way more than others.

[ASacrificedSon]

Why do you guys keep saying that?
Parama has his own opinions and such, but you guys say that he is wrong. Why??

I more or less see it as harmless fun. It's kind of a thing that me and Parama more or less never agree on anything, so I don't see anything wrong with making a little fun out it. 

Oh I see.
Sorry if I sounded so judgmental. I didn't mean to say it like that.

[Lucien]

Why do you guys keep saying that?
Parama has his own opinions and such, but you guys say that he is wrong. Why??

I mean, Black Clouds is my favorite Dream Theater album. For you guys it may be wrong, but for me, it isn't. What about people who dislike Ravenskill and thinks its uninteresting. Is that "wrong" or is that a "bad" opinion, simply because their tastes are different?

don't worry, not all of us see music as having objective quality. there is no 'bad' or 'good'

[ASacrificedSon]

Why do you guys keep saying that?
Parama has his own opinions and such, but you guys say that he is wrong. Why??

I mean, Black Clouds is my favorite Dream Theater album. For you guys it may be wrong, but for me, it isn't. What about people who dislike Ravenskill and thinks its uninteresting. Is that "wrong" or is that a "bad" opinion, simply because their tastes are different?

don't worry, not all of us see music as having objective quality. there is no 'bad' or 'good'

True, true. Thanks!

[Bacong]

:3

So you listened to the album once in the last week. Plus 2 songs again presumably. Which ones were they?

can I get some love now

[MA2SWAWIDWJ]

So far, there are several tracks I love, but the rest just blur together, and so far I don't really like Act II at all.
The high points on this album are way up there, and reminds of the type of writing they haven't done since SFAM/SDOIT, and are easily the best I've heard in the MM era, but there are too many misses for me at this point, and too many songs that felt like they started the same. Three Days is classic DT, and the kind of thing I've been itching to hear for a long time. Hits the spot goooood. I've already listened to it more than anything from ADTOE and DT12 combined.

Let's see how I feel after a few more listens though.

I think that the quintessential DT sound we have been looking for is in MOB and TPTD im not just picking those because they are heavy they just feel so DT to me....that being said....CHOSEN was the first song that i had to listen to again and again. Ive got the whole album memorized at this point though and this albums compilation is already stuck in my head all day every day. My gf gave me that "REALLY?" Look while we were doing ....."extracurricular activities" and i was humming road to revolution.

[smegolas]

https://www.metalwani.com/2016/02/interview-dream-theaters-jordan-rudess-on-the-astonishing.html#comments

Jordan: "I'm so proud of this...anybody who comes and says it's not metal enough, you know what? That's fine, you can go listen to some other band that has driving metal the whole time...I feel like this is the next level of Dream Theater where the band has matured to a point where we can just make music."

Amen brother!  I have been waiting so long for DT to get to this point, they are just too talented not to. I sincerely hope they continue along these lines. If it's not metal enough for you, then there's plenty of other bands to bang your head to.

[KevShmev]

https://www.metalwani.com/2016/02/interview-dream-theaters-jordan-rudess-on-the-astonishing.html#comments

Jordan: "I'm so proud of this...anybody who comes and says it's not metal enough, you know what? That's fine, you can go listen to some other band that has driving metal the whole time...I feel like this is the next level of Dream Theater where the band has matured to a point where we can just make music."

Amen brother!  I have been waiting so long for DT to get to this point, they are just too talented not to. I sincerely hope they continue along these lines. If it's not metal enough for you, then there's plenty of other bands to bang your head to.

to JR's comment.  He is basically saying in a nice way, "Upset there's not enough metal?  Go cry about it somewhere else."  And I totally agree with him.  DT has 12 other studio albums, almost all of which have quite a bit of metal.  If you want metal, go listen to those and stop crying that TA isn't something you want it to be, rather than what it is. /end rant

[pcs90]

Jordan: "I'm so proud of this...anybody who comes and says it's not metal enough, you know what? That's fine, you can go listen to some other band that has driving metal the whole time...I feel like this is the next level of Dream Theater where the band has matured to a point where we can just make music."

This makes me so happy.
I hope they continue this trend.

[dparrott]

https://www.metalwani.com/2016/02/interview-dream-theaters-jordan-rudess-on-the-astonishing.html#comments

Jordan: "I'm so proud of this...anybody who comes and says it's not metal enough, you know what? That's fine, you can go listen to some other band that has driving metal the whole time...I feel like this is the next level of Dream Theater where the band has matured to a point where we can just make music."

Amen brother!  I have been waiting so long for DT to get to this point, they are just too talented not to. I sincerely hope they continue along these lines. If it's not metal enough for you, then there's plenty of other bands to bang your head to.

This reminds me of the Slayer analogy.  Also they have plenty of metal in older albums.

[Lucien]

Jordan: "I'm so proud of this...anybody who comes and says it's not metal enough, you know what? That's fine, you can go listen to some other band that has driving metal the whole time...I feel like this is the next level of Dream Theater where the band has matured to a point where we can just make music."

Are they... out of the preconceived box now?   

[erwinrafael]

I want a karaoke version of Chosen and I will sing it to my wife!

[Cyclopssss]

That intro to 'A life left behind' are you f'in' kidding me??? 

[Luoto]

And yeah, absolutely gorgeous Evangeline theme almost isn't featured at all.

Based on new insight from Jordan Rudess, I think A Better Life shares at least one theme with The X Aspect. Inverted. Those bastards

[Kotowboy]

https://www.metalwani.com/2016/02/interview-dream-theaters-jordan-rudess-on-the-astonishing.html#comments

Jordan: "I'm so proud of this...anybody who comes and says it's not metal enough, you know what? That's fine, you can go listen to some other band that has driving metal the whole time...I feel like this is the next level of Dream Theater where the band has matured to a point where we can just make music."

Amen brother!  I have been waiting so long for DT to get to this point, they are just too talented not to. I sincerely hope they continue along these lines. If it's not metal enough for you, then there's plenty of other bands to bang your head to.

This reminds me of the Slayer analogy.  Also they have plenty of metal in older albums.

All of the above.

It's their 13th album. For goondess sake. They can do something different.

[Kotowboy]

  the outright hatred for this album elsewhere on the web is ludicrous.

" it's not heavy...it's bland and boring...i didn't think they could make a shitter album than Systematic chaos.....20 minutes of good music at best......not one good song ".

Yes this was on a metal forum.  No surprises there.

NO METAL ? TEH SUK

[BlobVanDam]

Where are all of the reasonable people in between the two ridiculous extremes?

[Train of Naught]

Not at Metallica forums ^

[BlobVanDam]

Nor DTF.

[Kotowboy]

Where are all of the reasonable people in between the two ridiculous extremes?

Not on the internet.

Where everything is either " OMFH AMAZOING WTFFF SO G~OOD "

or

" WORST ALBUM EVER MADE IN THE HISTORY OF MUSIC "

[BlobVanDam]

Where are all of the reasonable people in between the two ridiculous extremes?

Not on the internet.

Where everything is either " OMFH AMAZOING WTFFF SO G~OOD "

or

" WORST ALBUM EVER MADE IN THE HISTORY OF MUSIC "

And I'm getting sick of hearing both about TA, and hearing each side bitch about the other side.

I should time travel to half a year into the future, when we can get back to arguing about hairstyles and polls about which album title font is the best.

[Sir GuitarCozmo]

STOP DISLIKING WHAT I LIKE ZOMG.

[Podaar]

Why don't you guys go find a different bowl of cereal to piss in? Spoil sports.

[BlobVanDam]

Who you talking to?

[Sir GuitarCozmo]

Why don't you guys go find a different bowl of cereal to piss shit in? Spoil sports.

It's like you're new here or something.  At least get the cereal reference right!

[emtee]

I don't see this album as being received any differently than all the others. It's usually 1/3 love, 1/3 like, 1/3 dislike.
Seems the same now.

Personally if they decide to slowly move away from the metal I'm cool with it. I've got their discography to revisit any time
and thousands of other metal albums to scratch that itch. I vote for staying outside their comfort zone from here on out
and being more experimental. Or better said, creating whatever they feel like creating and not feeling boxed in or pressured
by the fans.

[Prog Snob]

Where are all of the reasonable people in between the two ridiculous extremes?

Which extremes would that be?