The Great Northern Empire or the Ravenskill Rebel Militia?

[RaiseTheKnife]

I don't get the expectations, may them be serious or not, about a Metropolis pt. 3 thing.

Let me preface by saying that I think Metropolis pt.1 is a wonderful song, one of the best ever created in the genre, and that I would be OK to hear it ad each and every DT show I will attend from here 'til the end of their carreer, and that I consider Scenes from a Memory one of the best albums of all time and anyone who wouldn't rate it 10/10 while enjoying every second of that album a sorrowful creature who lives an existance without musical joy, but, let's look deeper at the two things.

I believe it's still written at MP's FAQ page on his site that they were "only half joking" when they added the pt. 1 tag to Metropolis, and that only later they realized that fans would want to hear a part 2. The lyrics, come on, are gibberish - wonderful gibberish, I love them! they're poetic, they're evocative, they're in the same style as Under a Glass Moon in a sense, and I'd take an album full of lyrics like that over No one dared to speak of the terrible danger stuff any day... but still, it's some random stuff about a metropolis and whatever.

And as for pt. 2, Scenes from a Memory... watch the Dead Again movie and tell me it does not look familiar. Familiar as in you're half an hour into the movie and you already figured out the final twist because DT basically copied it. They did a great job of making a story out of it connected to the themes of pt. 1, and "Victoria watches and thoughtfully smiles" gives me chills every time, but the story is the Dead Again one applied to the ideas they had in mind.

So, in the end, the whole "saga" is made up of a song meant to stand alone with no deeper meaning (At least DT admitted it, unlike George Lucas), and their own version of a movie, and every character died in TWO chronologies, the only surviving one is the villain. The story is done and told and there wasn't even a story to begin with, going on with a part 3 would be doing it just because.

I'm all for these little nuggets and nods in the story, they knew that using the word "metropolis" in the Empire message would have reminded people of only one thing, but if a song shows up having the "Metropolis theme" or having the prefix "Metropolis pt. 3 - The Astonishing" or something, I would be let down.

Your post kinda reminded me of way back when I first joined DTF and I was trying to have a discussion in hopes to understand how the story of SFAM connects to Metropolis Pt.1 but it always ended up turning into a joke thread so with time I figured there really is no serious explanation and little coherence in the plot between the song and the album 

You never got the connection?  I hypothesize that M1 and M2 are the same basic story, but told as diametric opposites, wherein part 1 ends with love and part 2 ends in death.  Its all tied to the binary theme.  I dunno, I posted these theories in 1999 on the early DT forum place.  Oh. where were you!!!!

[The Stray Seed]

Am I the only one who is wondering if DT has been hanging out with Arjen Lucassen or Devin Townsend a whole bunch lately?

I'm more inclined to think it was thanks to Eren =) Looks like he's been spending some good time with Jordan lately, and isn't the wizard one of the main composers in DT?

[Viking of the Sagas]

Am I the only one who is wondering if DT has been hanging out with Arjen Lucassen or Devin Townsend a whole bunch lately?

I'm more inclined to think it was thanks to Eren =) Looks like he's been spending some good time with Jordan lately, and isn't the wizard one of the main composers in DT?

Eren? As in... this guy?



Psychotic titan hatred makes for good prog, who coulda thunk.

Ok well all that aside

Some weird wording there, wonder who wrote these e-mails. The rebels seem to be the good guys here though. I mean the "Great" Northern Empire seems essentially like a police state of false happiness and false security where "evil doesn't exist", with its own divine dictators too.

[The Stray Seed]

Am I the only one who is wondering if DT has been hanging out with Arjen Lucassen or Devin Townsend a whole bunch lately?

I'm more inclined to think it was thanks to Eren =) Looks like he's been spending some good time with Jordan lately, and isn't the wizard one of the main composers in DT?

Eren? As in... this guy?



Psychotic titan hatred makes for good prog, who coulda thunk.

[Progmetty]

I don't get the expectations, may them be serious or not, about a Metropolis pt. 3 thing.

Let me preface by saying that I think Metropolis pt.1 is a wonderful song, one of the best ever created in the genre, and that I would be OK to hear it ad each and every DT show I will attend from here 'til the end of their carreer, and that I consider Scenes from a Memory one of the best albums of all time and anyone who wouldn't rate it 10/10 while enjoying every second of that album a sorrowful creature who lives an existance without musical joy, but, let's look deeper at the two things.

I believe it's still written at MP's FAQ page on his site that they were "only half joking" when they added the pt. 1 tag to Metropolis, and that only later they realized that fans would want to hear a part 2. The lyrics, come on, are gibberish - wonderful gibberish, I love them! they're poetic, they're evocative, they're in the same style as Under a Glass Moon in a sense, and I'd take an album full of lyrics like that over No one dared to speak of the terrible danger stuff any day... but still, it's some random stuff about a metropolis and whatever.

And as for pt. 2, Scenes from a Memory... watch the Dead Again movie and tell me it does not look familiar. Familiar as in you're half an hour into the movie and you already figured out the final twist because DT basically copied it. They did a great job of making a story out of it connected to the themes of pt. 1, and "Victoria watches and thoughtfully smiles" gives me chills every time, but the story is the Dead Again one applied to the ideas they had in mind.

So, in the end, the whole "saga" is made up of a song meant to stand alone with no deeper meaning (At least DT admitted it, unlike George Lucas), and their own version of a movie, and every character died in TWO chronologies, the only surviving one is the villain. The story is done and told and there wasn't even a story to begin with, going on with a part 3 would be doing it just because.

I'm all for these little nuggets and nods in the story, they knew that using the word "metropolis" in the Empire message would have reminded people of only one thing, but if a song shows up having the "Metropolis theme" or having the prefix "Metropolis pt. 3 - The Astonishing" or something, I would be let down.

Your post kinda reminded me of way back when I first joined DTF and I was trying to have a discussion in hopes to understand how the story of SFAM connects to Metropolis Pt.1 but it always ended up turning into a joke thread so with time I figured there really is no serious explanation and little coherence in the plot between the song and the album 

You never got the connection?  I hypothesize that M1 and M2 are the same basic story, but told as diametric opposites, wherein part 1 ends with love and part 2 ends in death.  Its all tied to the binary theme.  I dunno, I posted these theories in 1999 on the early DT forum place.  Oh. where were you!!!!

Hey that sounds interesting! Is there a way to dig up that post?

[Tick]

Why did the voting close for this?

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Why did the voting close for this?

Perhaps a new, open-ended poll could be created with two additional options: Both and neither.

[hefdaddy42]

Why did the voting close for this?

Maybe the threadstarter made a mistake?

I have unlocked voting.

[BlackInk]

Why did the voting close for this?

Perhaps a new, open-ended poll could be created with two additional options: Both and neither.

This is 2015 after all.