Mike Mangini and Portnoy--daisy picking and skipping through meadows?

[425]

Well, that's why I only established what we pretty much know to be true. James has been pretty forthcoming, as I recall, that he has not been in touch with MP. Meanwhile, fairly recently Jordan and Mike both posted to social media pictures of the two of them together as friends. So I'm almost certain that James didn't and Jordan did.

Yeah, but sometimes the logical answer isn't the right one. Maybe James thought some of what MP said were jokes that didn't go over too well - back when MP was saying that they should have hired another vocalist, they were communicating through more than just interviews, and James totes knows more about the context of that statement. Maybe he thought that the other actions (Facebook comments, the deleting of SI discussions) were just done in the heat of rage over being out from the band? Maybe he hasn't even heard of any of these things?

Maybe JMX doesn't consider his diminished role in the band to be something effected by MP and something to be distant about, but just a natural ebb-and-flow?

Maybe two of them are just that terrible at email? Believe me, it's possible to be terrible at email even if your career depends on networking  and I think they're big enough that it doesn't.

All I'm saying is that there are so many possible narratives, and the DTF party line is simplified to just one or two, about everything.

I'm with you. I'm definitely with you on that. Which is why I'm just establishing the two we can confidently say we know. James said in an interview during the ADTOE tour that he was not in touch with Mike Portnoy anymore at that time. Meanwhile, Jordan has taken friendly pictures with Mike recently—it seems logical to think that they remained friends after the split and that Jordan responded to his email.

But yes, I agree with you that there are certainly other possibilities, such as John Myung not holding the grudge that people here have decided he holds and John Petrucci or Mike Mangini forgetting to email or not knowing how to or not wanting to, etc.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked by now.

[Grizz]

I think that discussion's just starting to get good. 

[BlobVanDam]

I don't think there's any trolling here.

Except maybe the people yelling "TROLL!" and mocking the guy who started the thread.

[?]

Maybe JM didn't want to waste MP's time and inbox space by sending an email that only says "..."

[puppyonacid]

I mean he reneged on the break idea when the band carried on without him. That post was specifically countering one before.

I don't think he even knew the band had moved on as they had without him when he tried to rejoin.

That's what I'm thinking too. They will have kept their drummer search away from MP as much as from everybody else. From MP's perspective he might have thought that he had let them steam for a while, and now they would badly want him back.

"I figured it was still possible to try and save us, because they hadn't made any announcements yet or begun any public activity with another drummer... but sadly, they declined my offer (well, actually their lawyer did... they didn't even tell me themselves....)"
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/mike-portnoy-i-tried-to-rejoin-dream-theater-but-was-rebuffed/#ZQBi0Tt8ZITaJJOZ.99

Kind of implies he knew what they were doing.

[BlobVanDam]

It kind of doesn't. He didn't know they'd already moved on with a different drummer, but knew that it would happen (since you know, he'd left and all). So his reason for changing his mind wasn't because the band had moved on, and it wasn't a bluff. He knew he'd left for real, and knew they'd move on, but didn't know where they were with that process.

[puppyonacid]

Right whatever.

You're 100% right. I bow to your superior knowledge and don't believe for a moment that you have to be right out of principle.

I don't even believe that I'm totally right. Just a POV that I contributed to a pretty limp discussion.

[BlobVanDam]

I was only replying to your post. Shucks, man! No hard feelings.
I was just trying to bring some more balance to what is usually a fairly one-sided discussion on DTF.

[mikeyd23]

Wow, I just read through this entire thread.... This is certainly an interesting one, haha.

Too many things to try to respond to, but my take is simply this: MM is happy to be in DT and DT seems extremely happy to have MM.  I have seen no signs of bad blood between MM and MP at all.  MP claims to be happy with all his tons of projects, whether he tried to get back in DT or not.  And that's pretty much that, nothing more to it.

[hefdaddy42]

BTW, this thread title is awful.  MM and MP aren't, and never have been, fighting.

[KevShmev]

BTW, this thread title is awful.  MM and MP aren't, and never have been, fighting.

Right, and that is why I said the OP was trolling, especially since he even admitted that he likes to stir up controversy, and deliberately misrepresenting facts to get a rise out of people is pretty much the internet textbook definition of trolling.

[TAC]

I'm shocked it's remained open this long.

[hefdaddy42]

I'm shocked it's remained open this long.

We'll see how much longer it stays open.

[nobloodyname]

BTW, this thread title is awful.  MM and MP aren't, and never have been, fighting.

Yes, it is. But I sense the OP is not a native English speaker which could account for it.

And the allegations of trolling are hilarious.

[JayOctavarium]

What the fuck is this?


MIKE PORTNOY LEFT DREAM THEATRE?




PORQUE!!!!!!!!???!?!?!?

[TheGreatPretender]

What the fuck is this?


MIKE PORTNOY LEFT DREAM THEATRE?




PORQUE!!!!!!!!???!?!?!?

Yeah, it happened a couple of years ago. They didn't want to go to Indonesia, so he left.

[King Postwhore]

BTW, this thread title is awful.  MM and MP aren't, and never have been, fighting.

The Fight That Stumped Them All.

[rumborak]

I have always taken these "we're friends" statements by musicians with a big grain of salt. MP and Neal are clearly actual friends. But MP and MM,  they will probably have met at the occasional drumming event. I have no doubt they were on very positive terms with each other, but it strikes me more like the kind of "friendship" you have with a coworker whose work you respect.

[JayOctavarium]

What the fuck is this?


MIKE PORTNOY LEFT DREAM THEATRE?




PORQUE!!!!!!!!???!?!?!?

Yeah, it happened a couple of years ago. They didn't want to go to Indonesia, so he left.

Just think of the money they'd make if they like took up residency in Indonesia for a few months.

[MoraWintersoul]

I have always taken these "we're friends" statements by musicians with a big grain of salt. MP and Neal are clearly actual friends. But MP and MM,  they will probably have met at the occasional drumming event. I have no doubt they were on very positive terms with each other, but it strikes me more like the kind of "friendship" you have with a coworker whose work you respect.

Eh, it's obvious they aren't scheduling sessions of daisy picking and skipping through the meadows, I suppose everyone does go by your definition of things.

[rumborak]

My post was made against the background of the OP which makes it sound as if two twin brothers ended up on opposite sides of a battle. In reality I think they were just two professional drummers who respected each other, and now one of them is banging the ex of the other.

[King Postwhore]

My post was made against the background of the OP which makes it sound as if two twin brothers ended up on opposite sides of a battle. In reality I think they were just two professional drummers who respected each other, and now one of them is banging the ex of the other.

100% correct and the end of this post is perfection.

[Madman Shepherd]

I have always taken these "we're friends" statements by musicians with a big grain of salt. MP and Neal are clearly actual friends. But MP and MM,  they will probably have met at the occasional drumming event. I have no doubt they were on very positive terms with each other, but it strikes me more like the kind of "friendship" you have with a coworker whose work you respect.

Eh, it's obvious they aren't scheduling sessions of daisy picking and skipping through the meadows

Do people actually do that?  I mean, I'm not judging.  If you or people you know do that, its cool. 

[King Postwhore]

Do you really thing that they cross paths much?  I bet now so you can see where Rumbo is coming from.

[MoraWintersoul]

I have always taken these "we're friends" statements by musicians with a big grain of salt. MP and Neal are clearly actual friends. But MP and MM,  they will probably have met at the occasional drumming event. I have no doubt they were on very positive terms with each other, but it strikes me more like the kind of "friendship" you have with a coworker whose work you respect.

Eh, it's obvious they aren't scheduling sessions of daisy picking and skipping through the meadows

Do people actually do that?  I mean, I'm not judging.  If you or people you know do that, its cool.

I was going for the most exaggerated thing but yeah now that you've mentioned it I'd like to go make some flower crowns.

[Skeever]

My post was made against the background of the OP which makes it sound as if two twin brothers ended up on opposite sides of a battle. In reality I think they were just two professional drummers who respected each other, and now one of them is banging the ex of the other.

Yup, let's face it.

I'm sure MM respects MP, but not so much that he'd retract his application to be the DT drummer because his respected peer wants back in.

Likewise, MP respects MM I'm sure, but wouldn't think twice if he had the chance to take his old job back.

And finally, DT are going to do what they feel is best for them. For example, if a few years from now interest is waning, I'm sure the band will consider a reunion with MP. As long as things continue to go well with MM, they won't. 

[Grizz]

The only instances I know of them crossing paths are in 2002 (I think that was the year) when MP invited MM to sit on the other side of the Siamese monster in his drum solo and in 2009 in a Tama promo where he's talking about the double setup and casually mentions MM as one of the people he's played with on his set (even though it was a fairly different kit, at least in terms of material and the right side).

[Madman Shepherd]

I have always taken these "we're friends" statements by musicians with a big grain of salt. MP and Neal are clearly actual friends. But MP and MM,  they will probably have met at the occasional drumming event. I have no doubt they were on very positive terms with each other, but it strikes me more like the kind of "friendship" you have with a coworker whose work you respect.

Eh, it's obvious they aren't scheduling sessions of daisy picking and skipping through the meadows

Do people actually do that?  I mean, I'm not judging.  If you or people you know do that, its cool.

I was going for the most exaggerated thing but yeah now that you've mentioned it I'd like to go make some flower crowns.

I prefer flower pressing.

After some thought, I wouldn't be opposed to skipping through the meadows.  My allergies are pretty bad though and I'm out of shape so I would have to walk the majority of the time. 

[MoraWintersoul]

The only instances I know of them crossing paths are in 2002 (I think that was the year) when MP invited MM to sit on the other side of the Siamese monster in his drum solo and in 2009 in a Tama promo where he's talking about the double setup and casually mentions MM as one of the people he's played with on his set (even though it was a fairly different kit, at least in terms of material and the right side).

Actually, MP has mentioned MM as one of the drummers he respects several more times - I think one of those mentions is still in his FAQ on his site.

[King Postwhore]

The only instances I know of them crossing paths are in 2002 (I think that was the year) when MP invited MM to sit on the other side of the Siamese monster in his drum solo and in 2009 in a Tama promo where he's talking about the double setup and casually mentions MM as one of the people he's played with on his set (even though it was a fairly different kit, at least in terms of material and the right side).

I was at that show.

[hefdaddy42]

I have the bootleg of that show - "When Mike And Mike Unite"

[Mindflux]

I have the bootleg of that show - "When Mike And Mike Unite"

[emtee]

The fight that never started.

[hefdaddy42]

I have the bootleg of that show - "When Mike And Mike Unite"

That's not a joke, it's the title.