The Glass Prison and This Dying Soul were in fact played it together a few times

[ToT-147]

I was searching on this page https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html some data from the DT tours, and I found out that TGP and TDS were actually played one after another like in 20 or 30 ocassions..

So I quickly went to look for some videos of those moments but, unfortunately, I didn't find a thing.. Do any of you know something about those shows? I mean, specially about those two songs... I'd really like to know how they've united Revelation and Reflections of Reality, if they did such a thing, or if they just played it like any other songs...

Here the dates of those epic (and maybe unrepeatable) moments..

2004.25.1 Vorst Nationaal, Brussels, Belgium
2004.31.1 Stadthalle Fürth, Fürth, Germany
2004.11.3 Paramount Theatre, Denver, CO, USA
2004.19.3 Riviera Theater, Chicago, IL, USA
2004.1.4 Orpheum Theatre, Boston, MA, USA
2004.24.4 Imp Hall, Osaka, Japan
2004.3.7 Foro Italico Tennis Stadium, Rome, Italy
2004.6.7 Il Lazzaretto, Bergamo, Italy

2005.21.7 Selland Arena, Fresno, CA, USA
2005.30.7 Journal Pavilion, Albuquerque, NM, USA
2005.8.8 St. Pete Times Forum, Tampa, FL, USA
2005.29.9 Hovet, Stockholm, Sweden
2005.2.10 Docks, Hamburg, Germany
2005.6.10 Le Zénith, Paris, France
2005.7.10 Philipshalle, Düsseldorf, Germany
2005.10.10 Heineken Music Hall, Amsterdam, Netherlands
2005.18.10 Gasometer, Vienna, Austria
2005.21.10 Beethovensaal, Stuttgart, Germany
2005.26.10 The Civic Hall, Wolverhampton, England

2006.13.1 Kokusai Forum, Tokyo, Japan
2006.1.3 Teatro Diana, Guadalajara, Mexico
2006.7.3 House of Blues, Las Vegas, NV, USA
2006.9.3 The Grove of Anaheim, Anaheim, CA, USA
2006.19.3 Agora, Cleveland, OH, USA
2006.26.3 Paramount Theatre, Asbury Park, NJ, USA
2006.29.3 Chevrolet Theatre, Wallingford, CT, USA

[JayOctavarium]

Would(a) be(en) cool to see

[BlobVanDam]

Would(a) be(en) cool to see

That!

My life would be complete just having seen TGP live, and TDS would be the icing on the cake.

[ddtonfire]

2006.19.3 Agora, Cleveland, OH, USA

Was there 

[Laughingplace56]

Would(a) be(en) cool to see

That!

My life would be complete just having seen TGP live, and TDS would be the icing on the cake.

They could literally come out, play TGP and YNM then leave and It'd still be the best concert I've ever been to.

[The Letter M]

I'd really like to know how they've united Revelation and Reflections of Reality, if they did such a thing, or if they just played it like any other songs...

Well, as you know, the last five notes of TGP are the first five notes of TDS, so they just over-lapped them. It's quite easy and seamless, really, and it sounds great back-to-back. There's a live performance of these two back-to-back on Mike Portnoy's Drum DVD "In Constant Motion".

-Marc.

[GasparXR]

There is definitely a video of them somewhere, because I've seen it. There was one video I saw from the ToT and another from the 8VM tour. They actually also played TROAE, but it wasn't with the other two.

[KevShmev]

To this day, I am still shocked that The Glass Prison never became a live concert staple.  Not saying I thought it would be played on every tour, as DT doesn't do that with any song, but I thought it would a 2nd tier staple (behind 1st tier staples like Metropolis, The Spirit Carries On, Learning to Live, etc.).  It absolutely slayed when it was the opener on the 6DOIT tour.

I just don't get it.

[RaiseTheKnife]

"2006.9.3 The Grove of Anaheim, Anaheim, CA, USA"

I was there and words cannot describe how much more intense TDS is when followed by TGP.  Just draw dropping.

This show was recorded (audio only) so go make friends with the DT boot traders.

[Milzinga]

To this day, I am still shocked that The Glass Prison never became a live concert staple.  Not saying I thought it would be played on every tour, as DT doesn't do that with any song, but I thought it would a 2nd tier staple (behind 1st tier staples like Metropolis, The Spirit Carries On, Learning to Live, etc.).  It absolutely slayed when it was the opener on the 6DOIT tour.

I just don't get it.

I wish that it was. IMO it's the heaviest DT song there is. So intense. I would have loved to seen it live, especially if it was followed up by TDS

[Setlist Scotty]

According to the list posted by the OP, I managed to see the TGP/TDS combo 3 times!

2004.1.4 Orpheum Theatre, Boston, MA, USA
2006.9.3 The Grove of Anaheim, Anaheim, CA, USA
2006.29.3 Chevrolet Theatre, Wallingford, CT, USA

And I agree with what someone already posted: that TDS really does rock better following TGP. A very intense 25 minute work out! I can only imagine what it would've been like to hear the whole 12 step suite performed together.

[robwebster]

To this day, I am still shocked that The Glass Prison never became a live concert staple.  Not saying I thought it would be played on every tour, as DT doesn't do that with any song, but I thought it would a 2nd tier staple (behind 1st tier staples like Metropolis, The Spirit Carries On, Learning to Live, etc.).  It absolutely slayed when it was the opener on the 6DOIT tour.

I just don't get it.

I imagine it's just cos it's huge, it's intense, and it sounds like an opener. It's not a song you can slip in, it's one that sets tend to build themselves around. It must be the best part of a decade since they played it, though, which does seem mad. It can't be that hard to work in.

[BlobVanDam]

To this day, I am still shocked that The Glass Prison never became a live concert staple.  Not saying I thought it would be played on every tour, as DT doesn't do that with any song, but I thought it would a 2nd tier staple (behind 1st tier staples like Metropolis, The Spirit Carries On, Learning to Live, etc.).  It absolutely slayed when it was the opener on the 6DOIT tour.

I just don't get it.

I imagine it's just cos it's huge, it's intense, and it sounds like an opener. It's not a song you can slip in, it's one that sets tend to build themselves around. It must be the best part of a decade since they played it, though, which does seem mad. It can't be that hard to work in.

I was sure they were going to play TGP this time around, and with them sticking TSF in the current set, I see no reason they couldn't have brought back TGP instead. The only reason I can think of is that they wanted to introduce something they'd never played live as something special for the tour, but they already have that covered in the current set. SDOIT disc 1 is just neglected in general. That makes me a sad fan.

[Rodni Demental]

I imagine it's just cos it's huge, it's intense, and it sounds like an opener. It's not a song you can slip in, it's one that sets tend to build themselves around. It must be the best part of a decade since they played it, though, which does seem mad. It can't be that hard to work in.

All of this. It did have that perfect fit as an opener and lets be honest, JP actually had a bit of trouble playing it at first considering how intensely fast they were playing it although I'm sure the arpeggios got a lot better since the Bucharest performance. Also, there's a chance MP was refraining a little from putting it on the sets until perhaps the Suite was completed and it would have been revived like a monstrous beast! 

I find it amusing how The Shattered Fortress is the only song to represent about 5 albums on this tour and that's a bit of a stretch for 4 of them but I can't complain about TSF being played, I mean.. An unplayed song from BC&SL is just instant win imo.   

[robwebster]

I was sure they were going to play TGP this time around, and with them sticking TSF in the current set, I see no reason they couldn't have brought back TGP instead. The only reason I can think of is that they wanted to introduce something they'd never played live as something special for the tour, but they already have that covered in the current set. SDOIT disc 1 is just neglected in general. That makes me a sad fan.

I'm trying to think. I've seen them five times, now, all since 2002, and the only track I've seen from disc one is Misunderstood, on the BCSL tour. Disc two's fared slightly better - I've caught Solitary Shell and About to Crash (Reprise) into Losing Time - but that's still a minuscule sample.

Again, I imagine it's just that there's very few songs, and they're generally quite long. I suppose there's other factors with most of the songs, though; Blind Faith does sound slightly squiffy live, and apparently The Great Debate didn't go down that well when they trialled it at the festivals. Misunderstood was an absolute blast, though, so I don't know why they don't play that one more.

Ah, it's a shame! It's one of their more universally admired albums, it could definitely be better represented. War Inside My Head and The Test That Stumped Them All are great, but there's so much good stuff - The Glass Prison would be an incredible place to start.

[?]

All of this. It did have that perfect fit as an opener and lets be honest, JP actually had a bit of trouble playing it at first considering how intensely fast they were playing it although I'm sure the arpeggios got a lot better since the Bucharest performance. Also, there's a chance MP was refraining a little from putting it on the sets until perhaps the Suite was completed

Yeah, that's also why Repentance was played only once and TSF wasn't played at all on the BC&SL tour. MP had an idea that DT11 would be a concept album and on the tour in support of the album they'd play it in the first set and the 12-step suite in the second set. Luckily that didn't happen...

Anyway, now that DT have played individual songs of the suite live, (and they play to a click so JP won't have to worry about the song being sped up too much) I can't see why they wouldn't bring TGP back. Of course it may be an intense song to be played every night and it works best as a set opener, but apparently there will be "evening with" shows in the second Euro leg, so we'll see what happens!

[devieira73]

In case anyone interested, TGP is on Gigantour DVD (really a great version) and, if I'm not mistaken, TGP + TDS is on MP's Constant Motion DVD (live drum cam).

[Laughingplace56]

For the argument that it sounds like an opener and it doesn't really fit anywhere else, I agree to an extent. However, they did play it in the middle of the set on the 8VM tour, when they were playing a song per album in order. They did TGP into TDS a few times on that tour. Also, they have two sets right now. They could just open the second set with and then go into The Mirror/Lie and BLOW THE ROOF of the goddamn theaters. Or just put it where TSF is. I don't care where it is, it's been 8 YEARS. They should play it on the US/Europe second legs.

[robwebster]

For the argument that it sounds like an opener and it doesn't really fit anywhere else, I agree to an extent. However, they did play it in the middle of the set on the 8VM tour, when they were playing a song per album in order.

Well, they played it at the start of set 2, didn't they?

Six Degrees was generally around the middle of the night, so they had a choice whether to do a closer or an opener. When I saw them, they closed with Losing Time and opened the next set with As I Am - but I remember other nights getting Home before the intermission and The Glass Prison just after. Can't recall for certain that it was like that every night, but they did try to keep it as an opener.

That said, The Root of All Evil is innately opener-y, too, and they played that slap bang in the middle of the set on the Dramatic Turn of Events tour complete with intro. So, you know, it can work.

[Laughingplace56]

For the argument that it sounds like an opener and it doesn't really fit anywhere else, I agree to an extent. However, they did play it in the middle of the set on the 8VM tour, when they were playing a song per album in order.

Well, they played it at the start of set 2, didn't they?

Six Degrees was generally around the middle of the night, so they had a choice whether to do a closer or an opener. When I saw them, they closed with Losing Time and opened the next set with As I Am - but I remember other nights getting Home before the intermission and The Glass Prison just after. Can't recall for certain that it was like that every night, but they did try to keep it as an opener.

Ah I didn't know they did "Evening With..." style shows the whole tour. Then I'd imagine it opened after the intermission. And like I said, that'd be perfect for this tour. Imagine TGP into The Mirror/Lie 

[theseoafs]

That said, The Root of All Evil is innately opener-y, too, and they played that slap bang in the middle of the set on the Dramatic Turn of Events tour complete with intro. So, you know, it can work.

Without spoiling the setlist for the Along for the Ride tour (for anybody who might still be waiting to see the show), songs 2, 3, and 5 also have pretty unexpected placements IMO, and all of them are played in their complete forms to boot.  If TGP were to be played in the future (and I hope to God it does), I would expect it to begin the 2nd set, but I also wouldn't rule out a more unconventional placement.

[robwebster]

3's par for the course - I don't know that it's ever opened a show in its life - but I know what you mean about 5, in particular. Although it's a surprise, 2 does basically fit, but 5 is very curious indeed. It feels like part of the story, but it's a surprisingly chunky song to drift about in the middle of the first set.

I could see them working something like that for The Glass Prison. Frankly, the way their show's going, telling a story between the songs, they could absolutely find ways to make it fit. You could end a track with a short video that culminates in a blast of static, then bring in the bass melody. Easy!

[Kotowboy]

On one of MP's DVDs - In Constant Motion I think - there is drum only footage of TGP and TDS back to back.

[Kotowboy]

In case anyone interested, TGP is on Gigantour DVD (really a great version) and, if I'm not mistaken, TGP + TDS is on MP's Constant Motion DVD (live drum cam).

[devieira73]

In case anyone interested, TGP is on Gigantour DVD (really a great version) and, if I'm not mistaken, TGP + TDS is on MP's Constant Motion DVD (live drum cam).

Now I got back home, and I'm pretty sure that TGP+TDS is on disc 1 from Constant Motion DVD 

[The Letter M]

On one of MP's DVDs - In Constant Motion I think - there is drum only footage of TGP and TDS back to back.

In case anyone interested, TGP is on Gigantour DVD (really a great version) and, if I'm not mistaken, TGP + TDS is on MP's Constant Motion DVD (live drum cam).

I guess no one noticed I already mentioned it earlier in the thread...

I'd really like to know how they've united Revelation and Reflections of Reality, if they did such a thing, or if they just played it like any other songs...

Well, as you know, the last five notes of TGP are the first five notes of TDS, so they just over-lapped them. It's quite easy and seamless, really, and it sounds great back-to-back. There's a live performance of these two back-to-back on Mike Portnoy's Drum DVD "In Constant Motion".

-Marc.

But yes, for the third (or is it fourth now?) time - The combo of TGP/TDS is featured on Mike Portnoy's instructional drumming DVD, In Constant Motion. However, the cursing is censored, so it does mar some of the performance, but I guess MP had to make the DVD family-friendly.

-Marc.

[JayOctavarium]

I can see TGP and TSF played as one long song back to back in the middle of a set.... with something chill like Hollow Years or The Silent Man or something right after it.

[wolfking]

I found this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_YI0kBeL9Y

It cuts at the end of TGP, but you can see how they go into TDS, as expected.

[devieira73]

I'd really like to know how they've united Revelation and Reflections of Reality, if they did such a thing, or if they just played it like any other songs...

Well, as you know, the last five notes of TGP are the first five notes of TDS, so they just over-lapped them. It's quite easy and seamless, really, and it sounds great back-to-back. There's a live performance of these two back-to-back on Mike Portnoy's Drum DVD "In Constant Motion".

-Marc.

Sorry, Marc, I didn't see your post

[gmillerdrake]

To this day, I am still shocked that The Glass Prison never became a live concert staple.  Not saying I thought it would be played on every tour, as DT doesn't do that with any song, but I thought it would a 2nd tier staple (behind 1st tier staples like Metropolis, The Spirit Carries On, Learning to Live, etc.).  It absolutely slayed when it was the opener on the 6DOIT tour.

I just don't get it.

I'd LOVE to hear MM play that song.....one of his strong suits is the bass drum and footwork and I think he could nail the album version of the bass drum on that song. MP took some creative 'liberties' when playing it live and didn't quite follow the recorded version ver batim. I've wondered if it's even possible in a live setting but I think MM could do it.

[Marion Crane]

I was there for this one:

2004.19.3 Riviera Theater, Chicago, IL, USA

[Marion Crane]

Wow...ten years ago tomorrow as a matter of fact

[aprilethereal]

apparently there will be "evening with" shows in the second Euro leg, so we'll see what happens!

Damn, now I really hope I'll have the money to see them a second time this year. That'd be the best thing ever

[ToT-147]

I'd really like to know how they've united Revelation and Reflections of Reality, if they did such a thing, or if they just played it like any other songs...

Well, as you know, the last five notes of TGP are the first five notes of TDS, so they just over-lapped them. It's quite easy and seamless, really, and it sounds great back-to-back. There's a live performance of these two back-to-back on Mike Portnoy's Drum DVD "In Constant Motion".

-Marc.

Thanks.. This is what I asked.. Yeah, I knew it! In fact I made a video a couple of years ago putting together the whole Suite in 12 minutes, and I united that moment taking into account those five notes.. Here's the link to the video if anyone want to see it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SsYVXTiGGw
Now I'll watch the transition myself on that DVD.. Thank you again, and also thanks to the others who have mentioned it (devieira73 and Kotowboy)..
Anyway, the topic turned out into a debate (a Great one ) I wasn't expected.. Here some thoughts/replies of mine:

In the current set [...] SDOIT disc 1 is just neglected in general. That makes me a sad fan.

Well, it's not the only one.. And that goes too for the previous tour.. I mean, if you wrote "general" by meaning that SDOIT Disc 1 is not played it on this tour, then you're right, but the same destiny it's share by 6 others albums.. If you mean by "general" that it wasn't played since MM's arrival, then you're forgetting The Great Debate..

MP had an idea that DT11 would be a concept album and on the tour in support of the album they'd play it in the first set and the 12-step suite in the second set.

Where do you get this info?

I found this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_YI0kBeL9Y

It cuts at the end of TGP, but you can see how they go into TDS, as expected.

Actually, I couldn't see it.. Just one second more of video would have made me see the transition..

[ToT-147]

2006.19.3 Agora, Cleveland, OH, USA

Was there 

"2006.9.3 The Grove of Anaheim, Anaheim, CA, USA"

I was there and words cannot describe how much more intense TDS is when followed by TGP.  Just draw dropping.

This show was recorded (audio only) so go make friends with the DT boot traders.

According to the list posted by the OP, I managed to see the TGP/TDS combo 3 times!

2004.1.4 Orpheum Theatre, Boston, MA, USA
2006.9.3 The Grove of Anaheim, Anaheim, CA, USA
2006.29.3 Chevrolet Theatre, Wallingford, CT, USA

And I agree with what someone already posted: that TDS really does rock better following TGP. A very intense 25 minute work out! I can only imagine what it would've been like to hear the whole 12 step suite performed together.

I was there for this one:

2004.19.3 Riviera Theater, Chicago, IL, USA

Do you guys remember anything of that precise moment? How they did?.. Just wanna know.. Maybe I'm being too thorough..