2014 Setlist Predictions Thread

[TheAtliator]

I have a little trouble believing a setlist could SUFFER from Illumination Theory AND Octavarium being played in the same night... And that goes for 6doit too.. Sounds like the greatest DT show ever to me.

[GasparXR]

ONE show, and it was a special occasion. And the setlist suffered terribly because of that!

Good point about the special occasion, but I think whether or not the setlist suffered as result is up to opinion.

[Ruba]

Dear Santa (JR is OK too, because he's another bearded gentleman),

On Along for the Ride world tour I'd like to hear the following songs:

A Fortune in Lies
Only a Matter of Time
Take the Time
Learning to Live
Innocence Faded
Voices
Scarred
Caught in Alice's New Nine-Inch Millenium Tool Garden
Lines in the Sand
Trial of Tears
Finally Free
Misunderstood
Vacant/Stream of Consciousness
Never Enough
In the Presence of Enemies
On the Backs of Angels
Outcry
Some Rush cover
And all of the new album. Not that I like all of it, but nearly every studio album song has been played live, which I admire.

Yours faithfully,
Ruba

[Lucien]

Now, with all the new songs, here's how I imagine it:

Set 1:

False Awakening Suite
The Enemy Inside
Voices
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Metropolis (slows down to the end of set 1 from here)
The Bigger Picture
The Silent Man
Vacant

Set 2: (Vacant ends set one and SOC is the first song in set two.)

Stream of Consciousness
Enigma Machine (two instrumentals gives James an extended break)
Learning to Live (before the entirety of THIS song)
The Looking Glass
Under a Glass Moon
Misunderstood
Breaking All Illusions
Along for the Ride
Hell's Kitchen
The Dance of Eternity
One Last Time
The Spirit Carries On
Octavarium

Encore:

Illumination Theory (imagine all the screaming as the introduction of this song happens)

[theseoafs]

I still think it's entirely feasible they'll play the whole album in the first set.  They did the same thing on the SFAM tour (which is 10 minutes longer as an album by the way) and no one's complaining about that.  Play the new album as set 1, delve into the band's history for set 2, do a fan favorite for the encore.  Sounds like an awesome show to me.

I want to hear 8V in the 2nd set or as the encore, but sadly I think that might be wishful thinking on my part. 

As for Illumination Theory:  touring with an orchestra seems really difficult and expensive, so I'm not sure the band is itching to do that.  Touring with a smaller string section might be feasible, but the orchestra parts would have to be rearranged significantly to make it work.  It seems like that part of the song will probably have to be played as a sample (though I'd love to be proven wrong).

[hefdaddy42]

ONE show, and it was a special occasion. And the setlist suffered terribly because of that!

No, the setlist suffered from the format of how it was constructed, not because of having both of those epics.  That is what SAVED the setlist.

[eviljust]

ONE show, and it was a special occasion. And the setlist suffered terribly because of that!

No, the setlist suffered from the format of how it was constructed, not because of having both of those epics.  That is what SAVED the setlist.

Definitely this. But still, it is just a pale hope I'm nurturing deep in my heart 

[wasteland]

ONE show, and it was a special occasion. And the setlist suffered terribly because of that!

No, the setlist suffered from the format of how it was constructed, not because of having both of those epics.  That is what SAVED the setlist.

You mean the chronological order of the songs? Yes, that was a factor too, but I still stand by my point. As much as I like both IT and 8V I don't think the overall show would benefit of both being played, especially if they were to be played back to back.

[FrostbiteZ]

I would love to see Octavarium and Illumination Theory. Am I pretending too much?

I really think so... that's one hour off the setlist in just two songs...

I don't think so. I don't no reason why it not should be possible. One could close first set and the another song could either close the second or be encore. That would be my dream scenario

[wasteland]

I'm more attracted by the long stream of 8-12 minuters, looks like! Let's see what I can do:


False Awakening Suite
The Enemy Inside
Take The Time
Hollow Years / Guitar-Piano Duet
The Great Debate
Behind The Veil
This Is The Life
To Live Forever
Finally Free
----
Enigma Machine (***)
The Looking Glass
Afterlife
The Mirror / Reprise
The Bigger Picture
Through Her Eyes / Solo
Along For The Ride
Surrender To Reason
Breaking All Illusions
---
Illumination Theory
Easter Egg (Outro Tape)

(***) - Intro played on tape witht the lights still down, they turn on when the full band kicks in.

[GasparXR]

I like it! Here's my take:

False Awakening Suite
The Enemy Inside
Just Let Me Breathe
Lost Not Forgotten
JR Solo/Behind the Veil
Misunderstood
Along for the Ride
JP Solo/Lines in the Sand
The Bigger Picture
------
The Glass Prison
The Looking Glass
Vacant
Enigma Machine
Another Hand/The Killing Hand
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
Surrender to Reason
JM Solo (w/ MM)/Scarred
Illumination Theory
------
Encore:
Illumination Theory (easter egg)
Breaking All Illusions

[wasteland]

Is the JM/MM solo > Scarred and idea you came up yourself? I recall wishing for it to happen about some time in one of these threads!

[GasparXR]

Is the JM/MM solo > Scarred and idea you came up yourself? I recall wishing for it to happen about some time in one of these threads!

I did just think of it myself, but now I remember you mentioning it. I don't know if my idea was the exact same as yours though. Mine is that MM starts with the ride cymbal from the beginning of Scarred, but when JM enters he extends it into a bass solo, later returning to the original riff and JP enters with the rest of the song.

[wasteland]

No, mine was actually the opposite! A spacey drums + bass improvisation like the Moon Bubbles of old culminating in the Scarred ride and the rest of the song.

I don't remember if I posted this last time, but I wouldn't complain if the improvisation started with the Solar Groove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87UVbOIYT_k . I would actually die in joy.

[Zyzzyva17]

Set 1:
False Awakening Suite
The Enemy Inside
New Millennium
The Looking Glass
Vacant (with JR piano solo intro)
Enigma Machine (with MM solo extended)
The Killing Hand
The Bigger Picture
Breaking All Illusions

Set 2:
Behind the Veil (with intro on the tape)
Never Enough
Surrender to Reason
Voices (starting with ambience from the end of Erotomania)
Misunderstood (with JP acoustic solo intro)
Along for the Ride
Illumination Theory

Encore:
Learning to Live

[Lucien]

Now, with all the new songs, here's how I imagine it:

Set 1:

False Awakening Suite
The Enemy Inside
Voices
Behind the Veil
Surrender to Reason
Metropolis (slows down to the end of set 1 from here)
The Bigger Picture
The Silent Man
Vacant

Set 2: (Vacant ends set one and SOC is the first song in set two.)

Stream of Consciousness
Enigma Machine (two instrumentals gives James an extended break)
Learning to Live (before the entirety of THIS song)
The Looking Glass
Under a Glass Moon
Misunderstood
Breaking All Illusions
Along for the Ride
Hell's Kitchen
The Dance of Eternity
One Last Time
The Spirit Carries On
Octavarium

Encore:

Illumination Theory (imagine all the screaming as the introduction of this song happens)

Made it bigger and better

[wasteland]

I'm quite positive your setlist is a bit too long for the current time constraints

[Lucien]

100% sure. You could probably take out the 3 song SFAM run

[cyberdrummer]

Slightly revised my predictions. One setlist has DT12 played in full, the other has it spread throughout the show.

Setlist A:
1. False Awakening Suite
2. The Enemy Inside
3. The Looking Glass
4. Enigma Machine
5. The Bigger Picture
6. Behind the Veil
7. Surrender to Reason
8. Along for the Ride
9. Illumination Theory
=================
10. The Glass Prison
11. Strange Deja Vu
12. Afterlife
13. Panic Attack
14. This is the Life
15. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
16. Scarred
17. Take the Time
18. Trial of Tears
----------------------------------
19. In the Name of God

Setlist B:
1. False Awakening Suite
2. The Enemy Inside
3. The Looking Glass
4. Blind Faith
5. Innocence Faded
6. Enigma Machine
7. Through My Words
8. Fatal Tragedy
9. Along for the Ride
10. Illumination Theory
=================
11. In the Presence of Enemies, Pt. 1
12. Under A Glass Moon
13. The Bigger Picture
14. Behind the Veil
15. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
16. Only A Matter of Time
17. Surrender to Reason
18. Far From Heaven
19. Breaking All Illusions
----------------------------------
20. Octavarium

[wasteland]

I'm not a great fan of the first choice, for both reasons of opportunity (if a fan didn't dig DTDT you can't ask him or her to sit through the first hour of the show waiting for the songs he likes to show up) and for the presence of TGP (horribili visu!) and In The Name Of God (cool song but for an encore I would rather have many many other songs.

The second is much more balanced and I like it, but don't you think they may have overdone TMW/FT a bit in the last tour for it to come back so early?

[TheAtliator]

Haven't heard the album yet, but here I go.

1. False Awakening Suite
2. The Enemy Inside
3. Take the Time
4. Along For the Ride
5. Blind Faith
6. Outcry
7. The Looking Glass
8. Lifting Shadows off a Dream
9. Enigma Machine
10. The Shattered Fortress

11. The Killing Hand
12. Surrender to Reason
13. Anna Lee
14. The Bigger Picture
15. Behind The Veil
16. The Mirror/
17. Bridges in the Sky (starts at guitar riff, right out of TM)
18. Octavarium

19. Illumination Theory

[JayOctavarium]

16. The Mirror/
17. Bridges in the Sky (starts at guitar riff, right out of TM)

I like this idea. A lot.

[TheAtliator]

I'm bored again so here I go! (DT should just hire me to do this, I could do it all day!)

1. False Awakening Suite
2. The Enemy Inside
3. Build Me Up Break Me Down
-
4. Innocence Faded
5. In the Presence of Enemies Pt 1
6. Enigma Machine
7. The Bigger Picture
-
8. The Great Debate
9. Overture 1928/
10. Strange Deja Vu
11. Outcry

==============

12. The Looking Glass
13. Anna Lee
14. The Killing Hand
15. Octavarium
16. Behind The Veil
17. Surrender to Reason
18. Along For the Ride
19. Illumination Theory

20. Take The Time

[YtseJamittaja]

This is really not a wish but yesterday I listened to Two Far again in a long time and thought it could be a great song in the setlist. Unexpect move but could be great surprise for diehard fans. 

[eviljust]

Few of you guys are mentioning Metropolis, hopefully. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love the song, just wanna hear something different. I'll try to make mine soon. It's really difficult for me.

[wasteland]

And yet Italy hasn't seen Metropolis in 8 years, not counting the Gods Of Metal festival performance.

[eviljust]

And yet Italy hasn't seen Metropolis in 8 years, not counting the Gods Of Metal festival performance.

Oh. I didn't think that was for this long time
I've seen them several times outside Italy though, especially in 2009 and 2010. I've probably heard it during those gigs.

[cyberdrummer]

I'm not a great fan of the first choice, for both reasons of opportunity (if a fan didn't dig DTDT you can't ask him or her to sit through the first hour of the show waiting for the songs he likes to show up) and for the presence of TGP (horribili visu!) and In The Name Of God (cool song but for an encore I would rather have many many other songs.

The second is much more balanced and I like it, but don't you think they may have overdone TMW/FT a bit in the last tour for it to come back so early?

Funnily enough I actually prefer my first setlist in terms of non-DT12 songs. I see what you mean about TMW/FT, but seeing as it's the 15th anniversary of SFAM next year, they might make sure they have something representing it. I thought about TDOE, but it might be a bit much alongside Enigma Machine on a regular basis.

[wasteland]

Plus, the new version of the song with the LALP jam is still unheard of in the rest of the world, and the song wasn't performed extesively in Europe during the last tour.

Seen these premises, I say closing the show with Metropolis for the Euro leg of the AFTR tour would be a good move.

Funnily enough I actually prefer my first setlist in terms of non-DT12 songs. I see what you mean about TMW/FT, but seeing as it's the 15th anniversary of SFAM next year, they might make sure they have something representing it. I thought about TDOE, but it might be a bit much alongside Enigma Machine on a regular basis.

What about Finally Free? It hasn't been in rotation since 2004 and it's as SFAM as you will ever get!

[cyberdrummer]

As long as they rotate Metropolis so countries like the UK, where it was played at two out of the three summer dates in 2011, don't hear it again.

Finally Free would be a good choice, but I couldn't find a spot for it in the set without removing better songs (or IT, which is pretty much guaranteed).

[eviljust]

I just checked I heard Metropolis three times in the past 4 years. That's why I said that
I wouldn't complain if I'll have to hear it again heh even 'cuz I really don't like ITNOG.

[?]

In an interview with Finnish magazine Soundi JP mysteriously said they may play some album in full on the upcoming tour.

[aprilethereal]

In an interview with Finnish magazine Soundi JP mysteriously said they may play some album in full on the upcoming tour.

Hm, there was this one album they released in 1999

I'm finding hope in my hopeless life

[eviljust]

That would be a dream come true

[cyberdrummer]

I'll just repost these posts from earlier in the thread with regard to SFAM.

After asking JP tonight, I'd put money on there being a few special shows next year at which they play SFAM.

Well they hadn't thought about the anniversary, but seemed very open to, even enthused by, the idea of playing the album - 'it was the most obvious thing to do'. JP said he'd love to see what MM could do with it.