Luna Park 5.1 mix v DT12 5.1 mix

[Peter1960]

I spent most of Sunday listening to the Luna Park DVD on my surround sound system. Fantastic picture quality and sound - the best DT DVD yet IMO.

I then put the DT12 DVD in my DVD player, without changing any of the settings. I did play the disk a few weeks ago when I first received the new album and was not impressed with the 5.1 mix.

Having played it again I remain distinctly underwhelmed. Obviously a lot more time and care has gone into creating the Luna Park 5.1 mix but despite playing around with my settings and using different effects, I cannot  get a sound that I am happy with. Is it my system ? Possibly, but I was able to get a good sound on the Luna Park DVD (and other live DVD's that I own) as well as some albums that have been produced in 5.1 format (eg the Genesis box sets).

Has anyone been able to produce a decent playback of the DT12 5.1 mix ? If so, what settings did you use ?

[Perpetual Change]

I spent most of Sunday listening to the Luna Park DVD on my surround sound system. Fantastic picture quality and sound - the best DT DVD yet IMO.

I then put the DT12 DVD in my DVD player, without changing any of the settings. I did play the disk a few weeks ago when I first received the new album and was not impressed with the 5.1 mix.

Having played it again I remain distinctly underwhelmed. Obviously a lot more time and care has gone into creating the Luna Park 5.1 mix but despite playing around with my settings and using different effects, I cannot  get a sound that I am happy with. Is it my system ? Possibly, but I was able to get a good sound on the Luna Park DVD (and other live DVD's that I own) as well as some albums that have been produced in 5.1 format (eg the Genesis box sets).

Has anyone been able to produce a decent playback of the DT12 5.1 mix ? If so, what settings did you use ?

Honestly, DT12 only sounds good for me out of the stereo version on the DVD.

[PixelDream]

I usually don't EQ at all. My setup has a pretty natural sound production. If the recording, mix and master are good, it'll sound good.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

If the recording, mix and master are good, it'll sound good.

Bingo. I understand that people use included equalizers in audio equipment to craft the sound of the system to their personal likings, but if you need to tweak them so the record sounds good, then something didn't go right in the production process. The whole purpose of mastering is to make the song listenable in any sound system, and that's why I usually leave my sound settings flat so I can enjoy the tracks like the mixing and mastering engineers wanted me to enjoy them. I'm usually a bit picky on this not because I'm a prog snob or an audiophile, but because Audio Engineering is actually my major's degree and I tend to have lots to say on the subject. 

[Brian Dobbs]

I then put the DT12 DVD in my DVD player, without changing any of the settings. I did play the disk a few weeks ago when I first received the new album and was not impressed with the 5.1 mix.

Has anyone been able to produce a decent playback of the DT12 5.1 mix ? If so, what settings did you use ?

Bro, seriously, post your thoughts in the thread I started about this and we can talk about it there.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39646.0

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

I then put the DT12 DVD in my DVD player, without changing any of the settings. I did play the disk a few weeks ago when I first received the new album and was not impressed with the 5.1 mix.

Has anyone been able to produce a decent playback of the DT12 5.1 mix ? If so, what settings did you use ?

Bro, seriously, post your thoughts in the thread I started about this and we can talk about it there.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39646.0

[Bolsters]

Bro, seriously, the obnoxious, large red font isn't necessary. We can read normal sized black text.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

Bro, seriously, the obnoxious, large red font isn't necessary. We can read normal sized black text.

Bro, seriously!

[Sycsa]

I then put the DT12 DVD in my DVD player, without changing any of the settings. I did play the disk a few weeks ago when I first received the new album and was not impressed with the 5.1 mix.

Has anyone been able to produce a decent playback of the DT12 5.1 mix ? If so, what settings did you use ?

Bro, seriously, post your thoughts in the thread I started about this and we can talk about it there.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39646.0

What the hell do you care? Do the number of posts in your thread contribute towards your e-peen size? 

[Brian Dobbs]

I then put the DT12 DVD in my DVD player, without changing any of the settings. I did play the disk a few weeks ago when I first received the new album and was not impressed with the 5.1 mix.

Has anyone been able to produce a decent playback of the DT12 5.1 mix ? If so, what settings did you use ?

Bro, seriously, post your thoughts in the thread I started about this and we can talk about it there.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39646.0

What the hell do you care? Do the number of posts in your thread contribute towards your e-peen size? 

A topic already exists for the poster's quetions.  I've been searching far and wide for people to have a discussion with me and perhaps this poster missed it.

The red was making it extremely obvious for the OP.

It's important to stay on topic and not clutter threads up with BS or insult other members.  I'm reporting you to the moderator.

[cramx3]

Dude, you need to get off your high horse

[hefdaddy42]

I then put the DT12 DVD in my DVD player, without changing any of the settings. I did play the disk a few weeks ago when I first received the new album and was not impressed with the 5.1 mix.

Has anyone been able to produce a decent playback of the DT12 5.1 mix ? If so, what settings did you use ?

Bro, seriously, post your thoughts in the thread I started about this and we can talk about it there.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39646.0

What the hell do you care? Do the number of posts in your thread contribute towards your e-peen size? 

This was unnecessary.

Brian Dobbs, your post to which he was responding was equally unnecessarily confrontational.  You could have pointed out your other thread without being confrontational.

[Brian Dobbs]

This was unnecessary.

Brian Dobbs, your post to which he was responding was equally unnecessarily confrontational.  You could have pointed out your other thread without being confrontational.

Jesus Christ, what is confrontational about directing someone to the proper thread?  The RED color?  I am not trying to get in a fight with the original poster.

Peter1960, you RULE bro.  You have a great inquiry.

After the SHIT I had to put up with in this thread about the 5.1 mix, I clearly welcome the opportunity to talk about the 5.1 mix.  IN THE EXISTING THREAD.

I could care less if I started the thread or not.  None existed, so I started one.

Instead of labeling me just as guilty as the other guy (FALSE EQUIVALENCY), why not MERGE the threads?

Objectively speaking, I could argue that FORUM RULES 3 and 4 are being ignored in this thread.

[cramx3]

I think you are directing everyone to talk in that thread because you advertised yourself in that thread and it is about 5.1 mixes which is what you want people to buy from you. 

The one of two reviews of your CD states this:

"I stumbled across Brian's web site at the HT forum. "

[hefdaddy42]

This was unnecessary.

Brian Dobbs, your post to which he was responding was equally unnecessarily confrontational.  You could have pointed out your other thread without being confrontational.

Jesus Christ, what is confrontational about directing someone to the proper thread?  The RED color?  I am not trying to get in a fight with the original poster.

Peter1960, you RULE bro.  You have a great inquiry.

After the SHIT I had to put up with in this thread about the 5.1 mix, I clearly welcome the opportunity to talk about the 5.1 mix.  IN THE EXISTING THREAD.

I could care less if I started the thread or not.  None existed, so I started one.

Instead of labeling me just as guilty as the other guy (FALSE EQUIVALENCY), why not MERGE the threads?

Objectively speaking, I could argue that FORUM RULES 3 and 4 are being ignored in this thread.

This was a post I noticed in that other thread:

Let's see.

Guy makes a post that is basically CONTROVERSIAL OPINIONS ROAR BUT DON'T YOU DARE FLAME ME BECAUSE THAT'S WRONG.

Follows it up by taking people to task for not discussing his thread the way he thinks it should be discussed.

Why, no, I can't see WHY anyone might think the OP is full of himself.

Hard to disagree with that.

I see no reason to merge the two threads.  Your intention may have been for that one to be about the 5.1 mix, but you allowed yourself to get in the way of that, and that isn't in the thread title anyway, so I'm not shocked that a new one was started.  If anything, that first one should just be locked, or at least ignored, because it certainly isn't accomplishing what you intended it to.  And now, again thanks to you, this one may not, either.

This is a fun-loving and great community.  You should try to fit in with it better instead of coming in with both barrels blazing.  Chill out.

[Brian Dobbs]

I think you are directing everyone to talk in that thread because you advertised yourself in that thread and it is about 5.1 mixes which is what you want people to buy from you. 

The one of two reviews of your CD states this:

"I stumbled across Brian's web site at the HT forum. "

Someone asked for a link, so I posted.  You're telling me that there's no one else on this forum who is in a band and wishes to share their music to others?  It's a link in my signature, not even a post!  BTW, thanks for visiting the site!

[Prog Snob]

I then put the DT12 DVD in my DVD player, without changing any of the settings. I did play the disk a few weeks ago when I first received the new album and was not impressed with the 5.1 mix.

Has anyone been able to produce a decent playback of the DT12 5.1 mix ? If so, what settings did you use ?

Bro, seriously, post your thoughts in the thread I started about this and we can talk about it there.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39646.0

What the hell do you care? Do the number of posts in your thread contribute towards your e-peen size? 

This was unnecessary.

Brian Dobbs, your post to which he was responding was equally unnecessarily confrontational.  You could have pointed out your other thread without being confrontational.

Your responses bring too much logic to this discussion.  You cannot possibly be human.  I'm reporting you to the moderat...  oh wait. 

[Brian Dobbs]

I see no reason to merge the two threads.  Your intention may have been for that one to be about the 5.1 mix, but you allowed yourself to get in the way of that, and that isn't in the thread title anyway, so I'm not shocked that a new one was started.

The title of my thread is ""Dream Theater" - The 5.1 DVD-AUDIO MIX", and has been for weeks.

How can I possibly make it any more clear that I want to discuss the 5.1 mix with other fans of Dream Theater on the Dream Theater forum?

I didn't break any forum rules, and I even relocated some of my comments after getting negative feedback literally a day later.  Is your goal to demonize me because I share differing opinions than others?  I've clearly shown that I can adapt to the desires of the community.

You see no reason to merge the threads?  They are both on the subject of Dream Theater 5.1 mixes, and mine was started first.  What is the point of having a rule about not starting multiple threads on the same topic if you don't plan on enforcing it?

I question why I spend so much time defending myself on here when all I want to do is focus all discussion of Dream Theater's 5.1 mix in one spot.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

Does it really affect your personal life if the threads are not merged?

[Sycsa]

Is your goal to demonize me because I share differing opinions than others?

No point in staying in a dictatorship forum, where saying any negative opinion is not allowed.

You forum jesters sure like to victimize yourselves a lot. Can't say I'm not entertained.

[Prog Snob]

Is your goal to demonize me because I share differing opinions than others?

No point in staying in a dictatorship forum, where saying any negative opinion is not allowed.

You forum jesters sure like to victimize yourselves a lot. Can't say I'm not entertained.

Put a little extra salt on that popcorn and slide over.  This is going to be good.

[bosk1]

I see no reason to merge the two threads.  Your intention may have been for that one to be about the 5.1 mix, but you allowed yourself to get in the way of that, and that isn't in the thread title anyway, so I'm not shocked that a new one was started.

The title of my thread is ""Dream Theater" - The 5.1 DVD-AUDIO MIX", and has been for weeks.

How can I possibly make it any more clear that I want to discuss the 5.1 mix with other fans of Dream Theater on the Dream Theater forum?

I didn't break any forum rules, and I even relocated some of my comments after getting negative feedback literally a day later.  Is your goal to demonize me because I share differing opinions than others?  I've clearly shown that I can adapt to the desires of the community.

You see no reason to merge the threads?  They are both on the subject of Dream Theater 5.1 mixes, and mine was started first.  What is the point of having a rule about not starting multiple threads on the same topic if you don't plan on enforcing it?

I question why I spend so much time defending myself on here when all I want to do is focus all discussion of Dream Theater's 5.1 mix in one spot.

1.  Whether or not you have broken a forum rule is within the discretion of the mods to decide.
2.  You are breaking another forum rule by taking this thread off topic by debating a mod about rule violations.  This thread is about the 5.1 mixes, not your personal situation.  If you disagree with a mod decision, this thread is not the place for it.  Send a PM to the mod in question or to me, as the forum rules, which you agreed to abide by when you signed up for an account on this site, state you should do.

Now, back on topic, please.  That goes for everyone.  Thanks.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

Bosk makes the world a better place.

I haven't heard any of the 5.1 mixes yet. I really should.

[hefdaddy42]

I see no reason to merge the two threads.  Your intention may have been for that one to be about the 5.1 mix, but you allowed yourself to get in the way of that, and that isn't in the thread title anyway, so I'm not shocked that a new one was started.

The title of my thread is ""Dream Theater" - The 5.1 DVD-AUDIO MIX", and has been for weeks.

How can I possibly make it any more clear that I want to discuss the 5.1 mix with other fans of Dream Theater on the Dream Theater forum?

Apparently your thread was originally titled "Dream Theater" - The MIX, MUSIC and REDEMPTION."  You may have changed the title at some point, but yeah.

Again, you are getting yourself in the way of any actual discussion.