'Dream Theater' Chart Positions

[Prog Snob]

Who the fuck is Drake?

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Drake

But yeah, without Googling it, my answer probably would have been "A Canadian rapper or something, I think".

Good to go, yeah

[bosk1]

In Germany it's on #4.

Cool.  But I was always under the impression that the charts in Germany aren't really a "top 100," but more of a "here is a list of 100 things we hate less than most things." 

[Cyclopssss]

No that's the Bratwurst top 40. 

[SystematicThought]

This article from last week is predicting DT to debut at #7

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/5740613/kings-of-leon-cher-and-elton-john-heading-for-top-five-on

[bosk1]

Oh, cool!  Thanks!    Before you posted it, I had almost forgotten that it was just posted on the previous page. 

[SystematicThought]

 

[bosk1]

 

[TL]

Who the fuck is Drake?

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Drake

But yeah, without Googling it, my answer probably would have been "A Canadian rapper or something, I think".

Um, he actually is.
You wouldn't be givin' my country lip now, would you?

[Kotowboy]

Don't worry. He does that a lot.

[bosk1]

Okay, now it's official:  https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theaters-new-album-cracks-u-s-top-10/

#7.  Approximately 34,000 units.  Not bad at all. 

[Perpetual Change]

REALLY cool that the band manage to sustain such a consistent fanbase.  For all the banter back and forth about how they could be doing this or that, they are obviously doing something right 

[Prog Snob]

Okay, now it's official:  https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theaters-new-album-cracks-u-s-top-10/

#7.  Approximately 34,000 units.  Not bad at all. 

[Bertielee]

34,000! Yeah, not bad at all.

B.Lee

[Zydar]

That's great!

[KevShmev]

So, according to that article, first week sales of the last five albums are:

8V: 27,000
SC: 36,000
BC&SL: 40,000
ADTOE: 36,000
DT: 34,000

So, it looks like sales are slightly declining.  Hmmmmmmm.

[Anguyen92]

A non-mainstream rock band, with a huge cult-following fanbase that sticks around through thick and thin, selling 34k copies on the 1st week in the US is nothing to be ashamed of.  That's pretty much the average 1st week copies of a rock band, right?

I was just hoping they sold more (like around 40k-50k) to give me added bits of hope for AB's Fortress 1st week results.

[Zook]

Well, looks like they need to go back to doing HUURRRRRAAAAORRRS and blast beats.

[bosk1]

So, according to that article, first week sales of the last five albums are:

8V: 27,000
SC: 36,000
BC&SL: 40,000
ADTOE: 36,000
DT: 34,000

So, it looks like sales are slightly declining.  Hmmmmmmm.

Slightly, but the numbers are so close that, given the fact that downloads are increasining in popularity and people are buying physical albums less and less, I do not believe that slight decline means anything.  I wish downloads counted in those numbers so we could get a better picture, but they don't.  Putting the numbers in perspective, 34,000 for a first week debute is fantastic.

[Perpetual Change]

Yeah, plus a lot of people have turned exclusively to subscription based services for music.

I have. DT are one of the few bands where I'll still buy an album.

[cyberdrummer]

Amazing effort. I can also feel another Grammy nomination coming on...

[emtee]

Chart position is solid. Unit sales trending down. Numbers guys at the label will prob. be a little concerned about that.
Business is business. Numbers matter in business. But the only thing I care about as a fan is the music. It's a damn good
album.

[bosk1]

Chart position is solid. Unit sales trending down. Numbers guys at the label will prob. be a little concerned about that.
Business is business. Numbers matter in business. But the only thing I care about as a fan is the music. It's a damn good
album.

I highly doubt it.  Again, see my post above.

[goo-goo]

From the Billboard Link

"The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales."

So the digital downloads are taken into account. Don't know why Amazon is not there.

[Ħ]

Amazing effort. I can also feel another Grammy nomination coming on...

One can hope. I could see TEI getting nominated, but I could also see the whole album being nominated.

[bosk1]

Ah, yes.  I had forgotten that Billboard counts iTunes.  But still, no DL's from the other major sources.

[ishak540m]

From the Billboard Link

"The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales."

So the digital downloads are taken into account. Don't know why Amazon is not there.

Yeah, Amazon should definitely be there.  That's lame.

[gmillerdrake]

So, according to that article, first week sales of the last five albums are:

8V: 27,000
SC: 36,000
BC&SL: 40,000
ADTOE: 36,000
DT: 34,000

So, it looks like sales are slightly declining.  Hmmmmmmm.

Slightly, but the numbers are so close that, given the fact that downloads are increasining in popularity and people are buying physical albums less and less, I do not believe that slight decline means anything.  I wish downloads counted in those numbers so we could get a better picture, but they don't.  Putting the numbers in perspective, 34,000 for a first week debute is fantastic.

In this day and age why aren't downloads figured into the equation? Is there a good reason out there?

I rarely only purchase the download. I have a physical copy of most of the music I listen to. Flying Colors is the only 'band' and music that I don't have a physical copy of. I have every one of DT's releases.

[TL]

Downloads, at least from iTunes, are counted. I'm not sure about things like Amazon MP3, and I doubt HD Tracks counts.

As has been said, in the last few years, some people have gone entirely to streaming (some legit, some not). You have to take into account the music sales landscape even just between 2007 and now. Keeping their numbers that consistent over that particular period of time is actually really impressive, especially with almost any growth to their fanbase being word of mouth without a big mainstream breakthrough of some kind.

Anyway, congratulations to DT on a third consecutive Top 10 US debut!

[Dark Castle]

So, according to that article, first week sales of the last five albums are:

8V: 27,000
SC: 36,000
BC&SL: 40,000
ADTOE: 36,000
DT: 34,000

So, it looks like sales are slightly declining.  Hmmmmmmm.

Slightly, but the numbers are so close that, given the fact that downloads are increasining in popularity and people are buying physical albums less and less, I do not believe that slight decline means anything.  I wish downloads counted in those numbers so we could get a better picture, but they don't.  Putting the numbers in perspective, 34,000 for a first week debute is fantastic.

In this day and age why aren't downloads figured into the equation? Is there a good reason out there?

I rarely only purchase the download. I have a physical copy of most of the music I listen to. Flying Colors is the only 'band' and music that I don't have a physical copy of. I have every one of DT's releases.

Purchased downloads are factored in. I'm pretty sure I remember talking about it in my Overview of Audio class last month, they accept digital downloads. Unless you all are talking about illegal downloads.

[TL]

Honestly, if they want to crack the top 5 in the US, they probably just need to make their next release a double album. Unless there has been a rule change I'm not aware of, the RIAA counts double albums clocking in at at least 100 minutes as two 'units'.

If anyone's wondering, SDOIT was less than 100 minutes, and the '2 disc 100+ minutes' has to apply to the main release, and doesn't include bonus content (so box sets, and the 3 disc version of BC&SL, only count as one unit apiece).

[theanalogkid7]

I think I read something about it being #1 on Hard Rock albums list this past week too. Does that matter for much, as from them being super proud of an amazing record?

[Outcrier]

I hate when they go : " Oh - if the music you like is so good - why isn't it in the charts ? "

In my case, they say to respect their taste,etc...
The point is, they always listen to radio songs (and the most shittiest genres people here in DTF don't even start to imagine) and never even listened to a full album in their entire life and look at you with that "you're a child" stare just because you say the music they listen to is sh*t.

[Ravenfoul]

Darn was hoping they'd push at least a little over what ADOTE sold. Still great numbers though.

[rumborak]

Okay, now it's official:  https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theaters-new-album-cracks-u-s-top-10/

#7.  Approximately 34,000 units.  Not bad at all. 

Is this the projected entry? I'm looking at the Billboard 200, but the album is nowhere to be seen.

EDIT: I see. Reading up on it, it will appear tomorrow on their charts.

What's also an interesting statistic is the "number of weeks in Billboard 200 charts":

https://www.billboard.com/artist/301301/dream-theater/chart

[Anguyen92]

Honestly, if they want to crack the top 5 in the US, they probably just need to make their next release a double album. Unless there has been a rule change I'm not aware of, the RIAA counts double albums clocking in at at least 100 minutes as two 'units'.

If anyone's wondering, SDOIT was less than 100 minutes, and the '2 disc 100+ minutes' has to apply to the main release, and doesn't include bonus content (so box sets, and the 3 disc version of BC&SL, only count as one unit apiece).

Here's the top ten with # of sales.

1. Drake - Nothing Was The Same (658,000)
2. Kings of Leon - Mechanical Bull (110,000)
3. Cher - Closer to the Truth (63,000)
4. Elton John - The Diving Board (47,000)
5. Jack Johnson - From Here To Now To You (37,000)
6. Luke Bryan - Crash My Party (36,000)
7. Dream Theater - Dream Theater (34,000)
8. Krewella - Get Wet (27,000)
9. Metallica - Through The Never (26,000)
10. Justin Moore - Off the Beaten Path (25,000)

https://www.411mania.com/music/news/299363/Drake-Gets-#JDPHx96dYAJyrlC4.99

Quite frankly, in my honest opinion, they should have cracked the top 5.  They were 3k away from top 5.  I don't know what's up with that, but, hey, it still good that they cracked top 10.