Self Titled Album Discussion thread [Expect Spoilers]

[Kotowboy]

DT13 :

Myung Lightyear : To Infinity and Beyond.

[?]

DT13 :

Myung Lightyear : To Infinity and Beyond.

Someone with Photoshop skills please make a cover for this album

[Lucidity]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

[dongringo]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

No

[Scorpion]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

While you're of course entitled to your opinion, I find it a bit weird that you pull a trend from a grand total of one song (IT) - or do you think that the other songs on the S/T are weakly written as well?

[Kotowboy]

DT13 :

Myung Lightyear : To Infinity and Beyond.

Someone with Photoshop skills please make a cover for this album

[ariich]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

No

Nope. Structurally it's about the same as ACOS.

[The Stray Seed]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

Not me.

[Bertielee]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

Not me.

Not me either.

B.Lee

[Rhayader]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

I wouldn't say only the last song.. but the whole album has a structural problem, song-writing problem and vocal melody problem. Doesn't sound like DT sometimes.

[puppyonacid]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

I wouldn't say only the last song.. but the whole album has a structural problem, song-writing problem and vocal melody problem. Doesn't sound like DT sometimes.

I don't not disagree with that statement.

[Tick]

This entire album is growing on me. The problem with new albums and internet forums is the knee jerk reactions to albums.

People proclaim within a few listens its the best or worst of the bands career. I'm one of the oldest members of the board and I would say that the days before the internet were pure magic  when it came to your favorite bands releasing new albums. Half the time you didn't even know one was coming out until days beforehand. Then when you did rush out to buy the record you listened to it with no preconceived notions. You didn't have the vast opinions of others floating in your head creating an almost subliminal bias to things you haven't even heard before.

I want to form my own unbiased opinion of every track but its hard to when you read the thoughts of so many and ponder why they feel as they do.
Now I'm sure not everyone is effected by this, but it does have an effect on me.

I am liking the album so far. Its a grower for me. My first listen didn't rock my world, but with every new listen different nuances are coming to the surface and the depth of the record is starting to penetrate.
So that's my thoughts at the moment.

p.s. Illumination Theory is amazing!

[DoctorAction]

The problem with new albums and internet forums is the knee jerk reactions to albums.

People proclaim within a few listens its the best or worst of the bands career. I'm one of the oldest members of the board and I would say that the days before the internet were pure magic  when it came to your favorite bands releasing new albums. Half the time you didn't even know one was coming out until days beforehand. Then when you did rush out to buy the record you listened to it with no preconceived notions. You didn't have the vast opinions of others floating in your head creating an almost subliminal bias to things you haven't even heard before.

Agree 100%.

[Moor]

The problem with new albums and internet forums is the knee jerk reactions to albums.

People proclaim within a few listens its the best or worst of the bands career. I'm one of the oldest members of the board and I would say that the days before the internet were pure magic  when it came to your favorite bands releasing new albums. Half the time you didn't even know one was coming out until days beforehand. Then when you did rush out to buy the record you listened to it with no preconceived notions. You didn't have the vast opinions of others floating in your head creating an almost subliminal bias to things you haven't even heard before.

Agree 100%.

[dongringo]

The problem with new albums and internet forums is the knee jerk reactions to albums.

People proclaim within a few listens its the best or worst of the bands career. I'm one of the oldest members of the board and I would say that the days before the internet were pure magic  when it came to your favorite bands releasing new albums. Half the time you didn't even know one was coming out until days beforehand. Then when you did rush out to buy the record you listened to it with no preconceived notions. You didn't have the vast opinions of others floating in your head creating an almost subliminal bias to things you haven't even heard before.

Agree 100%.

Those were the days. 

[Zydar]

Solution: Shut down the forum around release time or just don't read the threads.

[Tick]

Solution: Shut down the forum around release time or just don't read the threads.

I would need to start a 12 step program for that to happen.

[dongringo]

Solution: Shut down the forum around release time or just don't read the threads.

The withdrawals would be too severe and I'd probably lose my job and end up in a mental hospital, uncovered by health insurance...would have to sell everything to pay the bills and would probably never be emotionally and mentally the same again. Or worse.

[hefdaddy42]

Solution: Shut down the forum around release time or just don't read the threads.

It's been done.

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog?

No.

[Dark Castle]

Friend who got me into Dream Theater finally gave the album a listen. Called it lifeless   
Welp, guess I'll continue to not talk about this album to anyone IRL.

[Tick]

Dream Theater is Dream Theater. They don't try to reinvent the wheel. You get the same basic elements in every album.

[Ben_Jamin]

Am I the only one that has a hard on for Enigma Machine?

[Ben_Jamin]

Tick...don't let it get to you. I read the forums, but I can still form my own reaction to the albums.

And this album kicks ass

[Tick]

Tick...don't let it get to you. I read the forums, but I can still form my own reaction to the albums.

And this album kicks ass

I hear you. It seems that some people are enamored with being controversial or trying to heat people up for the sake of doing so.
I understand that some folks really don't like the record, but others like to beat the dead horse by saying it in as many places as possible to make sure we are all aware of there displeasure.

[emtee]

I agree with the above comment about things being SO different before the internet. Hell, half the time I never even knew
a band had a new album out. I would discover it while browsing the record shop. I don't want to be one of those
'get off my lawn' fellars but the whole experience was more enjoyable to me back then.

[ZKX-2099]

Well I am loving the album.

My only complaint is that it seems to end so fast.

Lightyears better than "Events."

[Madman Shepherd]

This entire album is growing on me. The problem with new albums and internet forums is the knee jerk reactions to albums.

People proclaim within a few listens its the best or worst of the bands career. I'm one of the oldest members of the board and I would say that the days before the internet were pure magic  when it came to your favorite bands releasing new albums. Half the time you didn't even know one was coming out until days beforehand. Then when you did rush out to buy the record you listened to it with no preconceived notions. You didn't have the vast opinions of others floating in your head creating an almost subliminal bias to things you haven't even heard before.

I want to form my own unbiased opinion of every track but its hard to when you read the thoughts of so many and ponder why they feel as they do.
Now I'm sure not everyone is effected by this, but it does have an effect on me.

I am liking the album so far. Its a grower for me. My first listen didn't rock my world, but with every new listen different nuances are coming to the surface and the depth of the record is starting to penetrate.
So that's my thoughts at the moment.

p.s. Illumination Theory is amazing!

i pretty much agree with that.  The album hasn't really hit me but each time I listen to I like it better.  Don't know how I will feel about it in a few months.

Funny thing is, I really cant say anything bad about the album.  I love the lyrics, the sound quality, the riffs, the compositions, the musicianship but its just not hit me that much. 

[JPX]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

Personally I can't even listen to IT because of it's structure. I mean I think the song writing is weak too, but I have no idea what they were aiming for with this song.

[JPX]

This entire album is growing on me. The problem with new albums and internet forums is the knee jerk reactions to albums.

People proclaim within a few listens its the best or worst of the bands career. I'm one of the oldest members of the board and I would say that the days before the internet were pure magic  when it came to your favorite bands releasing new albums. Half the time you didn't even know one was coming out until days beforehand. Then when you did rush out to buy the record you listened to it with no preconceived notions. You didn't have the vast opinions of others floating in your head creating an almost subliminal bias to things you haven't even heard before.

I want to form my own unbiased opinion of every track but its hard to when you read the thoughts of so many and ponder why they feel as they do.
Now I'm sure not everyone is effected by this, but it does have an effect on me.

I am liking the album so far. Its a grower for me. My first listen didn't rock my world, but with every new listen different nuances are coming to the surface and the depth of the record is starting to penetrate.
So that's my thoughts at the moment.

p.s. Illumination Theory is amazing!

You make it sound like the Internet is brand new. There are likely forumers who are young enough to have never been alive without it existing.

What they need to do is cut out is this garbage pre release stuff. All I need to know is when it's being recorded and subsequently released. I get that it's part of marketing now but imo it completely ruins the experience.

For Iconoclast, SX gave like 2 updates lol.

[theseoafs]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

Personally I can't even listen to IT because of it's structure. I mean I think the song writing is weak too, but I have no idea what they were aiming for with this song.

Why are there so many complaints about IT's structure?  ACOS is just as weird from a structural standpoint, and that's pretty much universally adored on this forum.

[Tick]

This entire album is growing on me. The problem with new albums and internet forums is the knee jerk reactions to albums.

People proclaim within a few listens its the best or worst of the bands career. I'm one of the oldest members of the board and I would say that the days before the internet were pure magic  when it came to your favorite bands releasing new albums. Half the time you didn't even know one was coming out until days beforehand. Then when you did rush out to buy the record you listened to it with no preconceived notions. You didn't have the vast opinions of others floating in your head creating an almost subliminal bias to things you haven't even heard before.

I want to form my own unbiased opinion of every track but its hard to when you read the thoughts of so many and ponder why they feel as they do.
Now I'm sure not everyone is effected by this, but it does have an effect on me.

I am liking the album so far. Its a grower for me. My first listen didn't rock my world, but with every new listen different nuances are coming to the surface and the depth of the record is starting to penetrate.
So that's my thoughts at the moment.

p.s. Illumination Theory is amazing!

You make it sound like the Internet is brand new. There are likely forumers who are young enough to have never been alive without it existing.

I understand that, but if you are 20 to 25 you can't relate to what I am saying because you were too young. That's just the reality of it.

[Lucien]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

Personally I can't even listen to IT because of it's structure. I mean I think the song writing is weak too, but I have no idea what they were aiming for with this song.

Why are there so many complaints about IT's structure?  ACOS is just as weird from a structural standpoint, and that's pretty much universally adored on this forum.

THIS

[Polarbear]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

My thoughts exactly. Overall there isn't much substance to the album beneath the bombastic production!

[Implode]

Tick...don't let it get to you. I read the forums, but I can still form my own reaction to the albums.

And this album kicks ass

I hear you. It seems that some people are enamored with being controversial or trying to heat people up for the sake of doing so.
I understand that some folks really don't like the record, but others like to beat the dead horse by saying it in as many places as possible to make sure we are all aware of there displeasure.

I would say the same about people responding to it. When someone says they just don't enjoy it, people have to come in and make excuses for them: "You just don't like DT anymore." "How can anyone say that?" "Some people just can't be positive about anything." Instead of accepting that people can have different thoughts about things.

[JPX]

Does anyone else think that Illumination Theory is perhaps the structurally weakest song of DT's entire catalog? I feel like their songwriting is getting worse... and it was so strong on ADToE... 

Personally I can't even listen to IT because of it's structure. I mean I think the song writing is weak too, but I have no idea what they were aiming for with this song.

Why are there so many complaints about IT's structure?  ACOS is just as weird from a structural standpoint, and that's pretty much universally adored on this forum.

THIS

ACoS has an overall cohesion. IT sounds like 8 different song ideas spliced together. I mean the transition from the orchestral section into that bass section is actually embarrassing imo.