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New Jordan interview

Started by tartarus250, August 29, 2013, 04:25:24 AM

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TheGreatPretender

Quote from: RMGadelha on August 30, 2013, 01:36:26 AM
Quote from: BlackInk on August 30, 2013, 01:25:23 AM
Well, in that dude's defense.. The lyrics of The Best of Times aren't very good.

While that may be true, the way he analyzed the lyrics and the place where he was posting don't go too well together...

I hate to come back to this, but to be fair, we know that MP wouldn't have reacted that way, had it been any other song. But if he's going to write songs THAT personal and couldn't bare the idea of someone criticizing them, then maybe he shouldn't have taken a song written for himself, his father, his family and close friends, and thrown it onto a DT album.
Or else, just because the song was personal, doesn't mean that it should be absolved from criticism. How is that in any way fair? "Well, the lyrics of this song are very personal, so let's just not say anything about it, while we bash how bad the lyrics on TCOT are!"

To be fair, I'm not saying that people need to rip apart personal songs like that. Like someone mentioned, maybe the comment could have used a little more tact, that's all. But I can certainly understand how the guy didn't think it was a big deal to call the lyrics "cringe worthy" since that term gets thrown around so much (assuming it WAS being thrown around then as much as it is now).
So I guess maybe the point is that 'cringeworthy' is not a very appropriate term for describing someone's lyrics or music. I always thought it was quite an insulting term for something that's an honest work of artistic expression. Regardless of whether the song is a tribute to a man's dying father, or a work of pure fiction.

Viking of the Sagas

Yeah, I agree. It needs to be realized that tactless comments will be punished regardless of their content, and it also needs to be realized which types of situations require tact and which don't. For example, criticizing someone's honest artistic expression should have some tact in it to help get the point across, but when criticizing a social issue or a large-scale problem the issues need to be laid out as clearly as possible in order to avoid playing down the problem or a misrepresentation of the issues.

Madman Shepherd

Noxon,

I would be interested to read the review in question but I understand if you don't want to drudge it up.  I'll even promise to not call you snobby!

But after reading Jordan's comments it did seem very bizarre for him to lash out like that. 

Kotowboy

If you said that A Nightmare To Remember is way too long, has un-necessary blast beats and tough guy vocals - you'd be bang on the money.


noxon

Quote from: Kotowboy on August 30, 2013, 03:13:18 PM
If you said that A Nightmare To Remember is way too long, has un-necessary blast beats and tough guy vocals - you'd be bang on the money.



"Then we also have a vocal section that I cannot for the life of me understand why they solved that way. MP does his "rap" style vocals, a talking/shouting thing we've know come to know and (love/hate – scratch whichever fits), "angry man" vocals. And it ends with a roar – literally. Musically it's pretty cool, but I don't think it works that well because the song at that very moment tells us that "oh, it's okay, everyone survived", and with that kind of voice it sounds like someone is utterly pissed because it all went well. And that is a thing I feel covers some of the lyrics on this album,  it's sometimes so strikingly apparent that the lyrics are an afterthought for the music..

Then yet another section of different riffs, large amounts of rhythm changes and riff changes, typical for what we've come to know from DT the last few years. We also get to hear MP try out blast beats for a size, which absolutely does not fit the song at all, but oh well. Overall an okay, good song, which I think is maybe a few minutes too long. They could've cut the song after 10 minutes, and it would be much, much better, and then rather have reused something of that which we were introduced to in the first half of the song. As the resulting song is, it really feels like two-three songs glued together as one. A good opener that could've been better, but still has many memorable bits that I truly enjoy."

Kotowboy