My thoughts on 'Dream Theater' (***SPOILERS***)

[Lowdz]

Last time I really heard Metallica in a DT song, we got Peruvian Skies. Could be awesome.

Not Constant Motion? And that was... not great.

[nicmos]

Constant Motion is about the most overtly-Metallica song DT has.  and I like it a lot (yeah, I know others don't).  it's DT having fun.  I'd love to hear another song where it sounds like they're having as much fun.

[Marion Crane]

This Dying Soul had plenty of Metallica in it.  Not nearly as much as the new A7X record.....but still 

[PixelDream]

As I Am is Metallica style too, besides that it's a bit more technical ofcourse.

[Marion Crane]

Actually I think the first three tracks on TOT are all significantly influenced by Metallica, Endless Sacrifice being the "Fade to Black/Sanitarium/One" structured style

[PixelDream]

Actually I think the first three tracks on TOT are all significantly influenced by Metallica, Endless Sacrifice being the "Fade to Black/Sanitarium/One" structured style

Exactly. And ES is a very good emulation of that song style IMO.

[Marion Crane]

Now that I think of it, SOC's main groove has a similar feel to the main riff in Orion.  Then again, when a band like DT sets out to make a predominantly heavy record, the Metallica influence is bound to be sprinkled throughout.

On an earlier note, I think it sounds like they're having a ton of fun on The Enemy Inside. 

[aprilethereal]

I'd love to hear another song where it sounds like they're having as much fun.

TDEN? I think that's their most fun metuhl song.

[BlobVanDam]

Actually I think the first three tracks on TOT are all significantly influenced by Metallica, Endless Sacrifice being the "Fade to Black/Sanitarium/One" structured style

I don't think anything on TOT sounds Metallica styled except for the obvious sections of TDS.

[Kotowboy]

I always thought As I Am was like the prog rock " Enter Sandman ".

[Tis BOOLsheet]

DT's metal side has always been influenced by Metalllica. Certainly ToT has that influence more than any other DT album. I think JP also mentioned that the first heavy riff in On The Backs of Angels was influenced by Metallica as well.

As far as DT12 is concerned, I was pleasantly surprised to hear JP say that the album was influenced by Periphery and in particular Animals as Leaders. I hope to hear a little injection of that in the new album; AAL is a great (relatively) new progressive metal band. This should produce a far better than saying your new prog metal album was influenced by U2 and Coldplay 

[Kotowboy]

Saying your music is influenced by Coldplay is a massive insult to Labrie.

[RMGadelha]

I hate both coldplay and U2, but I like I Walk Beside You. Don't ask me why... O_o

[Kotowboy]

I like The Edge more than I like U2 - whom I do like.

hate Coldplay because Chris is a shit singer but the 2nd album has about 5 good songs on it.

[King Postwhore]

Saying your music is influenced by Coldplay is a massive insult to Labrie.

Only an insult to those who don't like Coldplay.  Let's be real here, do you know if James likes the band or not?  How do you know?  I'm not going to make that leap and put words in James mouth.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

I like The Edge more than I like U2 - whom I do like.

hate Coldplay because Chris is a shit singer but the 2nd album has about 5 good songs on it.

I remember when their hit Yellow came out; I think that was their first major hit. I thought they were god awful. 15 years later I still think they're god awful.

I respect U2's longevity. I'm just really not into their music.

Anyway, I'm glad that experiment for DT is dead and done with.

[aXygnus]

As far as DT12 is concerned, I was pleasantly surprised to hear JP say that the album was influenced by Periphery and in particular Animals as Leaders. I hope to hear a little injection of that in the new album; AAL is a great (relatively) new progressive metal band. This should produce a far better than saying your new prog metal album was influenced by U2 and Coldplay 

This and Between the Buried and Me. Parallax Part II was just godly.

[425]

I'm not sure what you mean by "quality control", but I always see Load/Reload and FII in the same path...

Oh, and you didn't mention the Metallica's biggest problem (IMO): their quantity of music..
I mean, I agree with you, they always have had that ability to writing nice music, but, 4 albums in 22 years??!!!... THAT's a problem....

By quality quality control, I mean that they put songs on record when they really should have been left on the cutting room floor. Just look at Load/Reload. Both those albums, particularly the former, are among those albums with the greatest diversity in song quality. They have some songs that are really good, among the band's best, and some really bad songs that are among the band's worst. The Outlaw Torn is brilliant, but Poor Twisted Me should never have seen the light of day.

And I don't find Metallica's quantity to be a problem because of the issues I've mentioned with quality control. The impression I'm getting is that their current output level is about the highest they can sustain while making sure every song is good. I seem to remember reading that they left hours of material on the cutting room floor for Death Magnetic, and that album had (IMO) consistent quality. Let's face it, the members of Metallica aren't the virtuosos that the members of Dream Theater are. They can still write good riffs, but nothing like Jordan or John P. So if it takes Metallica 2-3 years of just songwriting to get 70 minutes of quality material, I have no problem with that and I'd rather have it than an album that's half good, half bad twice as often.

I've never listened to Bleeding Me, but the first part of Peruvian screams Pink Floyd. Maybe that's because of the Have A Cigar jam.

I can see the Pink Floyd, but honestly, it's almost exactly the same riff as Bleeding Me and the same guitar tone. I just listened to the beginning of Bleeding Me and the beginning of Peruvian Skies back to back, and it's honestly really hard to tell the difference.

You really should give Bleeding Me a shot; it's one of the best songs from that time period and on par with or better than much of their 80s material.

[Outcrier]

Anyway, I'm glad that experiment for DT is dead and done with.

Dead?
What about Build me up, break me down, influence of the LEGENDARY band Red?
If it was the "Red" album by King Crimson but no, it is actually the LEGENDARY band called Red, source of great inspiration 

[Mosh]

Last time I really heard Metallica in a DT song, we got Peruvian Skies. Could be awesome.

Not Constant Motion? And that was... not great.

I don't hear Metallica in Constant Motion at all.

TOT kinda sounds like Metallica at times, but I always though Peruvian had the biggest Metallica influence.

[Marion Crane]

Oh man...the verse riff and especially the first verse vocals, I TOTALLY hear Metallica.  I even remember laughing the first time I heard it and I was like "C'mon guys"

Then again, Metallica and DT are pretty much tied as my favorite bands ever so I don't mind the homages.

[illusionist]

Maybe we should keep this thread on thoughts about the upcoming album?Just sayin..

[425]

Honestly, heavy riffs =/= Metallica influenced. The only DT songs that I think have a serious Metallica influence are Stream of Consciousness and Peruvian Skies.

[Kotowboy]

James' vocals in Constant Motion are very Hetfield.

[Lucidity]

Maybe we should keep this thread on thoughts about the upcoming album?Just sayin..

[noxon]

To be fair, they are going of a tangent of something I said, so...

[eosforum]

I remember JP saying that OTBOA's metal riffs were influenced by Megadeth and Queensryche and that's also what I hear in TEI's verse riffs and JLB's vocals.

[ToT-147]

The whole "you don't like the album because you don't understand it" argument is ridiculous.

Thank God, though i be alone in this (or "on this", i'm not american  )

I already clarified I never said such a thing...

You said exactly that:

I mean, most of the people who don't like SC (being fan or not) haven't heard it the enough times it takes to get to understand it in its complexity and artistic rarity

YEAH.. I said THAT.. But THAT is not the same that to be saying "you don't like the album because you don't understand it".. I agree, that's just ridiculous.. I never said "because".. I never said: if you don't like that album, then it's because you haven't given it the time it needs...

So, again, stop saying bullshit about my opinion.... Don't change my words... Read first, then write a comment....

[ToT-147]

Anyway.. Let's go back to Metallica-DT's.... I always believed, beyond all the influence the formers have stand for DT, Death Magnetic has at least a little influence on DT style.. Song structure, time signature changes, scales... What do you think about it?..

[425]

Given that DT established their style many years before Death Magnetic ever came out, and didn't noticeably change their style in a way that is apparently influenced by that album on the two albums they've released since then, I'd say no.

James' vocals in Constant Motion are very Hetfield.

See, I don't think so. Maybe the combination of James and Mike's singing on the verses where they double combine to make a Hetfield-esque sound, but in general, I think James is too operatic and Mike too gruff or deep (not sure how to describe it but there's a very different style to his voice than Hetfield's, though they may be in a similar place on the clean-harsh spectrum) to really sound like Het. James on "I try to shut it down, it leaves me in the dust..." is definitely not like Hetfield at all.

Then again, I often don't hear it when people say James is singing like someone else. For example, I've never thought he has, at any point in his career, sounded anything like Dave Mustaine. But many would disagree with me on that. I also don't think he has ever sounded like a Bruce Dickinson impersonator. Even in his early days, James added in a lot more harsher stuff than Bruce used at any time except the early 90s, which was a time when he didn't really sing operatically. So maybe my testimony isn't reflective of what most people hear in these singers.

The only time I've ever heard James sounding Hetfield-esque is on "AS I AAAAYAAAA-AAAAAM! YEAH!"

[RMGadelha]

Given that DT established their style many years before Death Magnetic ever came out, and didn't noticeably change their style in a way that is apparently influenced by that album on the two albums they've released since then, I'd say no.

James' vocals in Constant Motion are very Hetfield.

See, I don't think so. Maybe the combination of James and Mike's singing on the verses where they double combine to make a He
The only time I've ever heard James sounding Hetfield-esque is on "AS I AAAAYAAAA-AAAAAM! YEAH!"

That's literally the first thing I've noticed the first time I heard the song I also think that the spoken parts of This Dying Soul (These tormenting ghosts...) sounds like Dave Mustaine's style of narrating.

[Lucien]

SO, HOW STRONG ARE THE LYRICS ON THIS ALBUM?

[noxon]

How strong are the lyrics on any recent DT album?

[aprilethereal]

So, again, stop saying bullshit about my opinion.... Don't change my words... Read first, then write a comment....

I know this is horribly off-topic, buy seriously, are you kidding me? There's no need to be that harsh. And I didn't change your words. At least not their meaning. Get over it

[RMGadelha]