Dream Theater self titled album discussion - [SPOILER FREE DISCUSSION ONLY]

[me7]

Sounds like a remake of Octavarium, just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W. DT never seize to amaze, just when everyone was sure that this would be a remake of Awake they pull something like that

[?]

[Lucien]

Sounds like a remake of Octavarium, just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W. DT never seize to amaze, just when everyone was sure that this would be a remake of Awake they pull something like that

?

Did you review the new album or something?

[MoraWintersoul]

Sounds like a remake of Octavarium, just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W. DT never seize to amaze, just when everyone was sure that this would be a remake of Awake they pull something like that

?

Did you review the new album or something?

I believe he's referring to the fact the new album was described by JP as "one huge epic amongst a sea of shorter song forms", plus there's an orchestra. The rest is a joke.

[atmyne]

Sounds like a remake of Octavarium, just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W. DT never seize to amaze, just when everyone was sure that this would be a remake of Awake they pull something like that

trying to wrap my head around what you're referring to is breaking my brain

[me7]

Sounds like a remake of Octavarium, just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W. DT never seize to amaze, just when everyone was sure that this would be a remake of Awake they pull something like that

?

Did you review the new album or something?

Nah, we are joking about "Crucify" from Elements of Persuasion being a new DT song. That album was mistakenly leaked as Octavarium in 2005

[Lucien]

Nah, we are joking about "Crucify" from Elements of Persuasion being a new DT song. That album was mistakenly leaked as Octavarium in 2005

OOHHH.. That ordeal.

[atmyne]

Nah, we are joking about "Crucify" from Elements of Persuasion being a new DT song. That album was mistakenly leaked as Octavarium in 2005

ah gotcha!
I totally thought that was the real octavarium when it came out :epicfacepalmgif:
still probably the best "fake" album ever!

[MoraWintersoul]

Ah yeah, I didn't see the page break

[?]

Oh, I was thinking me7 was referring to the DT12 tracklist and being serious, because there are 8 songs, the last one is a huge epic and the first one also includes movements. That, the page break and the lack of green font confused me

[Joshin U]

Agh. I'd be able to bear this wait a lot better if other people weren't getting the advance copies!!

I can't care if it's standard procedure! If I can't listen to it, no one should be able to!!   

I'm a selfish kinda guy.

[atmyne]

u better be joshin me

[MoraWintersoul]

Oh, I was thinking me7 was referring to the DT12 tracklist and being serious, because there are 8 songs, the last one is a huge epic and the first one also includes movements. That, the page break and the lack of green font confused me

Me too

[?]

Wait, there are 9 songs... I've once again demonstrated how fucked up my brains are today

But hey, ADTOE also had 9 songs and still managed to be a rehash of I&W

[Joshin U]

u better be joshin me

Damn, exposed

[dongringo]

The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?

[Super Dude]

Nope.

[theseoafs]

Nope.

[aprilethereal]

The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?

I'm starting to believe that this is just trolling.


Otherwise . Not this again. Seriously.

[tiagodon]

just like ADTOE was a remake of I&W.

wat

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. 

Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.

[tiagodon]

I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. 

Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.

I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, then it's a strong and good song.

[BlobVanDam]

I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. 

Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.

I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, than it's a strong and good song.

That's not true at all. The amount of time it takes you to like a song has no bearing on how good or bad that song is, or its longevity. That reads like anti-pop propaganda.
There are songs I loved on first listen that I still love after over a decade (or two). There are other songs that took me a while to get into, and still faded away.

[Dark Castle]

I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. 

Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.

I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, then it's a strong and good song.

Well that's simply not true.

[The Stray Seed]

I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. 

Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.

Great post. I totally agree.

[?]

Yeah, the amount of time a song needs to grow on you doesn't determine its quality. Some of my favorite songs have managed to strike me as something special on the first listen already, others have improved with age like all the finest wines.

[lyfeternl]

I don't think anyone has looked back on things from this point-of-view yet but, for this DT12 release, I see how spoiled we were with the release of ADTOE (audio snippets, etc.)

Though, my thought is that DT probably felt those actions were somewhat "necessary" to help calm the nerves of their fans given the departure of MP and the arrival of MM.

[ariich]

I would assume that most people who really appreciate progressive music understands and like the fact that albums that takes a few spins or more before settling in is for the most part a good thing within this genre. I love the process when an album unexpectedly hits you. 

Atleast that's what I love about music in general and what keeps it fresh, those moments when you find music that speaks to you by not following what you instantly prefer.

I heard once that if you like a song straight away, it's not a good song. It's weak and you will soon lose interest. But if it takes time and you start to enjoy it after a few listens, than it's a strong and good song.

That's not true at all. The amount of time it takes you to like a song has no bearing on how good or bad that song is, or its longevity. That reads like anti-pop propaganda.
There are songs I loved on first listen that I still love after over a decade (or two). There are other songs that took me a while to get into, and still faded away.

Listen to this man.

Also, there are some songs I loved straight away, that I found less interesting later on.

And finally, there are songs that sucked at first, and still suck.

[bosk1]

Regarding discussing the album, the rules are clear about discussing leaked material, and I am not going to keep re-posting them and re-issuing warnings.  If I see someone discussing anything about the album that looks like leaked information, they will be banned from the site.  If you are a member of the media who has received an authorized advance copy and you are authorized to write about it, contact me privately and give me your credentials so I can make sure you are who you say you are.  Otherwise, if you have heard it, keep a lid on it, because discussing it is not allowed.  Even if you are joking, you run the risk of being banned from the site, so don't even go there. 

[dparrott]

But hey, ADTOE also had 9 songs and still managed to be a rehash of I&W

Uhhh...yea I don't see that.   

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

But, you know what you can see? Color green

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Yeah, the amount of time a song needs to grow on you doesn't determine its quality. Some of my favorite songs have managed to strike me as something special on the first listen already, others have improved with age like all the finest wines.

[Perpetual Change]

Regarding discussing the album, the rules are clear about discussing leaked material, and I am not going to keep re-posting them and re-issuing warnings.  If I see someone discussing anything about the album that looks like leaked information, they will be banned from the site.  If you are a member of the media who has received an authorized advance copy and you are authorized to write about it, contact me privately and give me your credentials so I can make sure you are who you say you are.  Otherwise, if you have heard it, keep a lid on it, because discussing it is not allowed.  Even if you are joking, you run the risk of being banned from the site, so don't even go there.

Thanks for the reminder!

As a further reminder, I'd like to share the following leak-protection advise with my fellow forum members: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV1eaE-QDEg

[TheAtliator]

The tracklist sure looks like some kind of concept to me. Anyone else?

Oh absolutely! But to be clear, when I say concept that doesn't mean a literal story, it means a concept throughout the songs where the idea grows and changes, like almost every DT album. Correct me if saying that is against proper convention..

But yes-

Surrender to Reason
Embracing the Circle (likely relating to 8vm's concept)
Pursuit of Truth

Definitely something happening there.

[JayOctavarium]

semi thematic