If you had to get rid of two DT albums from your collection...

[Rattlehead]

I find it disturbing that Awake has 2 more votes than TOT

I find it disturbing that SFAM has more votes than 6DOIT

It's 2 votes versus 1 though  not like we have a huge sample size. Personally I find it disturbing that either of them have votes when DT has albums like 8vm and WDADU.

[sylvinception]

Seems I have the answer to my question...

[jammindude]

I am more and more pleasantly surprised that, as time goes on, Octavarium gets more and more respect.

I couple of years after its release, many considered it to be one of their worst.    I personally feel it is their crowning achievement, and their all time greatest, most cohesive and most diverse album.   

I voted for WDADU and SC.    Not sure what happened with SC, after the masterpiece of Octavarium, and being free from the major label, I really thought DT would kick it up a notch...but IMO, it's an absolute train wreck.    ITPOE is the weakest epic they've ever written, and the "dark master" parts are just embarassingly bad.  The only saving grace of the album is really TDEN.     

I've heard detractors say that 8V and SC suffer in the same way, and I just don't hear it at all.   To me they are polar opposites.   8V is a masterpiece of both concise and epic songwriting, and SC is just a mess. 

[Scorpion]

Octavarium has The Root of All Evil, Sacrificed Sons and These Walls. Systematic Chaos has The Ministry of Lost Souls, ITPOE, and Repentance. While both are rock-bottom for me, Octavarium is much, much weaker, in my opinion.

[aprilethereal]

I am more and more pleasantly surprised that, as time goes on, Octavarium gets more and more respect.

I couple of years after its release, many considered it to be one of their worst.    I personally feel it is their crowning achievement, and their all time greatest, most cohesive and most diverse album.   

I voted for WDADU and SC.    Not sure what happened with SC, after the masterpiece of Octavarium, and being free from the major label, I really thought DT would kick it up a notch...but IMO, it's an absolute train wreck.    ITPOE is the weakest epic they've ever written, and the "dark master" parts are just embarassingly bad.  The only saving grace of the album is really TDEN.     

I've heard detractors say that 8V and SC suffer in the same way, and I just don't hear it at all.   To me they are polar opposites.   8V is a masterpiece of both concise and epic songwriting, and SC is just a mess.

I absolutely agree with you. Octavarium is not really my favourite of theirs, maybe not even in my top 3, but I still love it and don't get why everybody is bashing it. Literally every song is great, and some are absolutely fantastic.

[KevShmev]

I don't think I ever bash Octavarium, but while I agree that it is a very diverse album, the songwriting is lacking.  Okay, the title track is great, but I find half of the songs just kind of there, and the others are good, but not really noteworthy at all.  I'd probably called The Root of All Evil and Panic Attack the 2nd and 3rd best songs on it, but neither are anything more than just good songs, IMO.

[aprilethereal]

I don't think I ever bash Octavarium

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you but at the people (no one specificly) that put 8VM at the same level as some of their worst albums. I personally cannot see any reason at all to do this (IMO Octavarium is miles ahead of SC, for example), that's why I called it bashing.

[Full Speed]

8VM is one of my least favorites. I really like These Walls and The Root of All Evil but not much else. The title track never really did much for me either.

[Juular]

Theoretically I'd get rid of Systematic Chaos and Octavarium but since I don't like either, I haven't bought them.

[Nekov]

Octavarium and TOT

[KevShmev]

I don't think I ever bash Octavarium

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you but at the people (no one specificly) that put 8VM at the same level as some of their worst albums. I personally cannot see any reason at all to do this (IMO Octavarium is miles ahead of SC, for example), that's why I called it bashing.

Well, I'd say that 8V and SC are easily their two least best albums, so there ya go.

[Zook]

I voted SC and BCSL since those are the first two albums of theirs to include actual bad songs. You Not Me is just OK, but is nowhere near as bad as Prophets of War. I'd definitely miss The Count and Enemies though. I guess there isn't anything horrible of BCSL, but most of the songs are meh, and having only 6 doesn't help anything.

[Nekov]

I voted SC and BCSL since those are the first two albums of theirs to include actual bad songs. You Not Me is just OK, but is nowhere near as bad as Prophets of War. I'd definitely miss The Count and Enemies though. I guess there isn't anything horrible of BCSL, but most of the songs are meh, and having only 6 doesn't help anything.

How about Never Enough? That doesn't qualify as bad?

[Zook]

I voted SC and BCSL since those are the first two albums of theirs to include actual bad songs. You Not Me is just OK, but is nowhere near as bad as Prophets of War. I'd definitely miss The Count and Enemies though. I guess there isn't anything horrible of BCSL, but most of the songs are meh, and having only 6 doesn't help anything.

How about Never Enough? That doesn't qualify as bad?

Even though the lyrics are lame and James' singing is lame, it's still no Prophets of War. Plus, 1 song out of 8 isn't worthy of eradication. I don't know, Never Enough is meh, but it's not so bad when listening to the full album.

[Scorpion]

Yeah, but there's also The Answer Lies Within, I Walk Beside You and Panic Attack on that album. That's four bad tracks, and the title is pretty mediocre as well. It's my least favourite DT album by a pretty large margin, actually.

[Zook]

Well you have weird opinions so there.

[Dark Castle]

Well you have weird opinions so there.

This.

[Nekov]

Yeah, but there's also The Answer Lies Within, I Walk Beside You and Panic Attack on that album. That's four bad tracks, and the title is pretty mediocre as well. It's my least favourite DT album by a pretty large margin, actually.

I'm with you. Least favorite album by far

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[Scorpion]

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[wkiml]

WdaDu and FII ( I honestly never listened to either of these)

[jammindude]

Yeah, but there's also The Answer Lies Within, I Walk Beside You and Panic Attack on that album. That's four bad tracks, and the title is pretty mediocre as well. It's my least favourite DT album by a pretty large margin, actually.

Could not possibly disagree more.   The lyrics to TALW are a bit overly "Chicken Soup For the Soul-y"...but the melody is beautiful, and I still find myself loving the song whenever it comes on.   I Walk Beside You is FREAKIN AWESOME....and the Score version only made it better.   

As far as NE and PA go....you have got to be kidding me.   Never Enough is an amazing song.     I've been in a relationship with someone who was impossible to please...so from that aspect, it made the lyrics very easy to relate to...and even downright invigorating.     And Panic Attack is nothing short of completely BAD ASS...

If you want lyrics that are 10 times worse than TALW (the worst lyrical output of the songs you've mentioned) one need look no further than POW, ITPOE, Forsaken and the worst offender Constant Motion... "Forevermore...into the night...blistering..."     Are you freakin kidding me??     

[TheGreatPretender]

WdaDu and FII ( I honestly never listened to either of these)

But the topic says "from your collection". If you're never listened to them, then isn't it safe to assume that you don't have them?

[BlobVanDam]

Yeah, but there's also The Answer Lies Within, I Walk Beside You and Panic Attack on that album. That's four bad tracks, and the title is pretty mediocre as well. It's my least favourite DT album by a pretty large margin, actually.

Panic Attack is not a bad track! It's killer, dude. For me it's just TALW, IWBY and NE that are the duds of Octavarium (and I don't think TALW is that bad, just painfully dull). The rest I think are great. It's just a shame the placement of the bad ones completely kills the flow of the album. 

[Scorpion]

I'll concede that. I listened to Panic Attack yesterday due to shuffle and it was actually better than I remember. I love the "Run, try to hide..." part. Still, half of the album, I wouldn't care to never listen again to, so it's last, for me.

[The King in Crimson]

Yeah, but there's also The Answer Lies Within, I Walk Beside You and Panic Attack on that album. That's four bad tracks, and the title is pretty mediocre as well. It's my least favourite DT album by a pretty large margin, actually.

You're a crazy man with crazy opinions and stuff.

I *heart* Octavarium.

[Scorpion]

I'm kinda used to that by now.

[darkshade]

Well you have weird opinions so there.

This.

[Cable]

Sometimes I really wonder if the people who do not listen much SFAM are considered as true DT fans...

Is this stating that people who like SFAM the most are not as good DT fans as those who like I&W or 6DOIT the most?

[TheSilentHam]

WDADU would be #1 - I love it, but I lived without it for a long time, so I know I can make it.

I really can't decide on #2.  I've gone round and round.  I could just pick something, but I am honestly perplexed.  In the past it would have been FII - because I don't like the tinkering from outside the band.  I have grown to appreciate what is there, and I just can't pull the trigger.

[TheGreatPretender]

Sometimes I really wonder if the people who do not listen much SFAM are considered as true DT fans...

Is this stating that people who like SFAM the most are not as good DT fans as those who like I&W or 6DOIT the most?

I just wonder if people who do not listen to much SFAM are considered people at all. 

[aprilethereal]

Sometimes I really wonder if the people who do not listen much SFAM are considered as true DT fans...

Is this stating that people who like SFAM the most are not as good DT fans as those who like I&W or 6DOIT the most?

I just wonder if people who do not listen to much SFAM are considered people at all. 

Seriously. How could anybody NOT love SFAM? 

[hefdaddy42]

It's certainly fantastic.

[King Postwhore]

It's #3 for me on the list by I won't go to extremes like most of you are.  All but really 2 albums are so easy to listen from start to finish for me.

[The King in Crimson]

It's pretty good

[Dr. DTVT]

I have the balls to say SC and SFAM.

I don't think I need to validate SC getting the axe.

So, why would I get rid of SFAM?  I rarely listen to it anymore.  I don't get anything new from it, it's best songs don't stack up to the best songs on every album not named Systematic Chaos.  WDaDU gets too much shit just because JLB isn't on it and a lot of people just can't seem to get over that fact.  I'm not saying it is great, but it's not bottom 3 DT material.  ToT has ItNoG, 8vm has 8vm and These Walls, BC&SL has The Count, and any other suggestion is just completely laughable.  With other bands (Ayreon and Avantasia just to name two) that do the multiple people with multiple singers albums, one person singing all the parts just doesn't work for me anymore.  Don't expect a response from me since I probably won't bother stepping in this thread again since I really hate discussing DT here (which is a shame because they are my favorite band).