DT12 v. WDAWAIISOIT8V&CSTOE pt. XII

[MajorMatt]

Any techie would like to explain to me please how that gear works? I mean, which amps are those? Effects? From the RR era records, I love how JPs guitar sounds in Black Clouds.

Left Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+
Mesa Boogie Mark IV
Mesa Boogie Mark V

Right Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+
2x Drawers of pedals (For effects - pics earlier in the thread)
Dunlop CryBaby Rack Wah
2x Mesa Boogie TriAxis Preamps
Fractal Audio AxeFX II (For effects)
Mesa Boogie Stereo 2:90 Poweramp
Power Conditioner (Probably Furman)

JP usually takes a bunch of different amps into the studio to experiment with and then decides what will make the album. A similar setup was in studio for ADTOE but he decided he liked the Mark V on everything so that's the only amp on that album.

For BCASL the rhythm sounds were from a Mark IV and the solos were all the IIC+. The Mark V was released towards the end of tracking so that features on some parts of TCOT including the solo after the last vocal. I can't remember where the cleans came from but I assume it was from a Mesa Boogie Lonestar as it was on SC. SC had similar gear to BCASL though I think the album is almost exclusively Mark IV save the cleans from the Lonestar.

[goo-goo]

Any techie would like to explain to me please how that gear works? I mean, which amps are those? Effects? From the RR era records, I love how JPs guitar sounds in Black Clouds.

Left Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+
Mesa Boogie Mark IV
Mesa Boogie Mark V

Right Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+
2x Drawers of pedals (For effects - pics earlier in the thread)
Dunlop CryBaby Rack Wah
2x Mesa Boogie TriAxis Preamps
Fractal Audio AxeFX II (For effects)
Mesa Boogie Stereo 2:90 Poweramp
Power Conditioner (Probably Furman)

JP usually takes a bunch of different amps into the studio to experiment with and then decides what will make the album. A similar setup was in studio for ADTOE but he decided he liked the Mark V on everything so that's the only amp on that album.

For BCASL the rhythm sounds were from a Mark IV and the solos were all the IIC+. The Mark V was released towards the end of tracking so that features on some parts of TCOT including the solo after the last vocal. I can't remember where the cleans came from but I assume it was from a Mesa Boogie Lonestar as it was on SC. SC had similar gear to BCASL though I think the album is almost exclusively Mark IV save the cleans from the Lonestar.

Oh man, thank you very much for the depth of your explanation. 

[Lolzeez]

Prepare for madness..

[Ruba]

Saw that one on Facebook. I was like "fuck yea".

My only complaint is, that I don't see any cowbells.

[Kotowboy]

You were like FUCK YEAH but you could only compliment the lack of cow bells ? 

[?]

He probably meant "complaint" - English can be tricky for us Finns sometimes!

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

You don't simply play cowbell, you add more cowbell!!

[Ruba]

You were like FUCK YEAH but you could only compliment the lack of cow bells ? 

He probably meant "complaint" - English can be tricky for us Finns sometimes!

Exactly. I meant to type complaint, but I didn't focus enough on what I was writing.

But it's Friday.

I'll fix it.

[Kotowboy]

No Worries guy !!! I knew that's what you meant - I was just teasing  

[Ruba]

Yup, sometimes typos happen  .

[Kotowboy]

[Kotowboy]

^ He's leaving Vapor Trails because he is a Rush Fan.

[Ruba]

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[MoraWintersoul]

Could we merge the "DT in studio"-thread with this one? I hate it when I can't remember what was posted where and they are both about the same thing (this one has a better name though).

[wasteland]

Merging two threads so far down the line could be quite confusing for the reader. Let's see what hef or bosk think, though.

[?]

Or maybe one of them could be locked?

[wasteland]

This should be the official one, and it's not because I've started it myself

[SomeoneLikeHim]

I think that too since this one is about the album and not just the studio process.

Which means that even though that one will be gone THIIIIS WIIIIILL LIVE OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON.

[BlobVanDam]

This should be the official one, and it's not because I've started it myself

This should be the official one, and it's not because I came up with the awesome thread title.

[GasparXR]

This should be the official one, because I'm making this post.

[Zook]

This should be the official one, because KrotchRaut.

[Elite]

Any techie would like to explain to me please how that gear works? I mean, which amps are those? Effects? From the RR era records, I love how JPs guitar sounds in Black Clouds.

Left Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+

Right Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+

Can't he give one of those IIC+'s to me? I'd love to have one, even though I own a Mark III.

[MajorMatt]

Any techie would like to explain to me please how that gear works? I mean, which amps are those? Effects? From the RR era records, I love how JPs guitar sounds in Black Clouds.

Left Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+

Right Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+

Can't he give one of those IIC+'s to me? I'd love to have one, even though I own a Mark III.

I'd love a Mark Series fullstop. Got an F50 myself but a IIC+/IV/V would slay.

[Cedar redaC]

Any techie would like to explain to me please how that gear works? I mean, which amps are those? Effects? From the RR era records, I love how JPs guitar sounds in Black Clouds.

Left Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+

Right Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+

Can't he give one of those IIC+'s to me? I'd love to have one, even though I own a Mark III.

I'd love a Mark Series fullstop. Got an F50 myself but a IIC+/IV/V would slay.

Fender Super Champ XD and a Line 6 Pod HD 500. Yeah

Edit: Post number 1994. Birth year post

[Elite]

Any techie would like to explain to me please how that gear works? I mean, which amps are those? Effects? From the RR era records, I love how JPs guitar sounds in Black Clouds.

Left Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+

Right Side Top To Bottom:
Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+

Can't he give one of those IIC+'s to me? I'd love to have one, even though I own a Mark III.

I'd love a Mark Series fullstop. Got an F50 myself but a IIC+/IV/V would slay.

Get one! Like I said, I own a Mark III (1987 Red Stripe) and it completely slays any other thing I have ever played. Despite not being one of the better known aps Mesa/Boogie has produced, if you look it up, it is said that it's the most 'metal' amp in the whole Mark-series and thus beats even the IIC+. I love mine

[MoraWintersoul]

OHEMGEE NEW INTIE: https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-john-jordan-20130129

Amazing chemistry is great, the writing process and the whole vibe is great, and his role is to let his personality shine as a drummer, creatively and to have his input and his musical personality really come through. And I gotta tell you, it's happening. When people hear the drumming on this album, they're gonna be pretty freaked out. On the last album, he did a great job, but he wasn't there for the writing process and he was interpreting drum parts that I had programmed. Even though he used his creativity, of course, to change them up and do his thing, I feel like now he's just Mike Mangini unleashed. It's all him. It's all his creativity, all his decisions and ideas and man, the guy's an animal.

Yesyesyes.

[wasteland]

I'm extremely excited, and that's also because I cannot just figure out what could possibly become of DT music with such a strong rhytmic upgrade. 

[Podaar]

That is really great news. I don't recall JP ever using such excited language to describe band interaction so I'm guessing that he's pretty relieved right now that things are going well. It raises my anticipation a bit as well.

Thanks for the update MoraWintersoul!

[Pepe108]

JP seems to be too obsessed about maintaining the core sound of the band... and actually that is what could be dangerous for the band. To me, another ADTOE with upgraded drumming would be a major disappointment. 

[Onno]

JP seems to be too obsessed about maintaining the core sound of the band... and actually that is what could be dangerous for the band. To me, another ADTOE with upgraded drumming would be a major disappointment.

I mostly agree with this; trying out new things is great most of the time. However, I imagine that John understands this as well. I don't think they'll start making albums that all sound the same now; after all, the band consists of 5 people who each have their own ideas. I can't imagine that MP was the sole cause of the stylistic changes between all albums, from WDADU till BC&SL.

[wasteland]

Maintaining the core sound of a band doesn't mean being static. You can tell that IAW, Awake, SFAM and SDOIT, which are widely acclaimed as the best DT albums, all base themself on a core sound which is the DT fingerprint, while being very different one another.

[Podaar]

JP seems to be too obsessed about maintaining the core sound of the band... and actually that is what could be dangerous for the band. To me, another ADTOE with upgraded drumming would be a major disappointment.

To me, another ADTOE with upgraded drumming would be killer!

[Pepe108]

Maintaining the core sound of a band doesn't mean being static. You can tell that IAW, Awake, SFAM and SDOIT, which are widely acclaimed as the best DT albums, all base themself on a core sound which is the DT fingerprint, while being very different one another.

The thing is that they started using the term "core sound" to refer to the sound DT had before MP started tipping the balance towards the metal side and that they recovered on ADTOE. I should have specified that, but you are right about "core sound" on that depth level, if you know what I mean. You have a conception of the term that is more deep and that contains the main elements of the bands, such as virtuoso playing and everything else.

[MoraWintersoul]

I must say I would really like to travel back in time and space to witness the "strong lesson" Jordan received back in '99 also, the way he said MM is better at rhythm than he is. That's a huge compliment coming from JR

[wasteland]

I just wish we could see the real live compositional dynamics within the band. A sort of candid camera documentary of the shaping of one song would probably been the coolest and most interesting thing for me (besides the actual song)