More DVD News -- Over the Edge Productions

[philmcson]

Nah, the most important thing would be to have split-cam during BITS. I'd switch to MM view and analyze beat by beat.... 

[MoraWintersoul]

It says a lot about Mangini that he's the newest member of my favorite band and he is the one I can't  stop looking at when he plays. He's so captivating.

[philmcson]

Fo' sure! When I visited them in Düsseldorf, I just kept staring at him during BITS.... if JM had started singing backvokals, I wouldn't have noticed..... 

[jonny108]

Over the Edge's facebook:  We can't say much since things change and we are not involved heavily in the release or distribution but I would bet it will come out before August

[wasteland]

Over the Edge's facebook:  We can't say much since things change and we are not involved heavily in the release or distribution but I would bet it will come out before August

Oh, jeez. I'm skick of the release date being pushed on and on and on and on 

[philmcson]

Just seen..... maybe they want to release an album/dvd package for 50 bucks, huh?! 

[wasteland]

Just seen..... maybe they want to release an album/dvd package for 50 bucks, huh?! 

No, that would be a suicide. Please, can't I just skip to August? 

[MoraWintersoul]

... oh God why. Can't "before August" be, like, tomorrow?

I know it's going to be absolutely incredible and I am really happy they decided to do it and went with it but sheesh I want it to come out soon so bad. It's been five months since they recorded it already, now imagine waiting seven more or something.

I mean, give it several more months and they'll be out in the pre-DT12 tour and we'll be all psyched over the new album announcements and we'll then have to get mentally into the ADTOE tour-celebration all over again. It's not a bad thing, I'll have a DT overload in my brain then, but it just makes it a bit dated, as silly as it sounds.

[DreamerTV]

I think that they've decided they want the DVD to be the launch of the promotional campaign for the new record/tour. In a musical industry where touring is extremely more important than to put out a record, a well received dvd would be a great publicity for the upcoming tour.

[wasteland]

I think that they've decided they want the DVD to be the launch of the promotional campaign for the new record/tour. In a musical industry where touring is extremely more important than to put out a record, a well received dvd would be a great publicity for the upcoming tour.

If so May / June sound like a good time, in order to let the DVD sink in the fanbase before they start touring by the beginning of July. But still I  hope for an earlier release. :/

[MoraWintersoul]

I think that they've decided they want the DVD to be the launch of the promotional campaign for the new record/tour. In a musical industry where touring is extremely more important than to put out a record, a well received dvd would be a great publicity for the upcoming tour.

Well they should give us ample time to receive it well

I just don't like the "estimate" process that keeps pushing the release date back - if they told us, like, last year the DVD will take a year, I would have understood. After all, it's a huge job.

[wasteland]

Yes, I think the times are ripe for an official announcement, whatever the release date is. This continuous and discording proclaims by Over The Edge do nothing but confuse the situation. There needs to be more clarity.

[MoraWintersoul]

Meaning, Dream Theater should speak up a bit.
Meaning, RELEASE THE KRAKEN.

... uhm, I mean, trailer.

[Kotowboy]

Just seen..... maybe they want to release an album/dvd package for 50 bucks, huh?! 

No, that would be a suicide. Please, can't I just skip to August? 

No band would release an album with a DVD promoting the previous album. The DVD will have to come out several months BEFORE the new album. It just makes sense.

I reckon DVD in May and new Album in September.

[ResultsMayVary]

I agree. And I bet we'll see an announcement with a trailer/release date/other things here in the next few weeks.

[GasparXR]

... oh God why. Can't "before August" be, like, tomorrow?

But, it IS before August already.

[The Curious Orange]

Given that the DVD will now almost certainly overlap the promotion for DT12, at this stage I would expect it to be released as a special edition bonus disc with the new album.

[Kotowboy]

No band would release an album with a DVD promoting the previous album. The DVD will have to come out several months BEFORE the new album. It just makes sense.

I reckon DVD in May and new Album in September.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

No band would release an album with a DVD promoting the previous album. The DVD will have to come out several months BEFORE the new album. It just makes sense.

I reckon DVD in May and new Album in September.

Porcupine Tree did that with Anesthetize, I think. The Incident was already out, and they released their live Blu-ray supporting Fear of a Blank Planet.

[Kotowboy]

They'd have to be enough time between the releases to make sense.

EIther 4 months before or after - but no way will they release it together.

[?]

If the trailer is done already, then it's very likely that the DVD will come out months before the new album. And they will definitely be released separately, I mean, RR have to cash in on DT as much as possible and 2 separate releases=more money!

But now the pessimist in me has another concern: what if the new album will be delayed to make the gap between the releases bigger? It's not likely, but you never know...

[wasteland]

But now the pessimist in me has another concern: what if the new album will be delayed to make the gap between the releases bigger? It's not likely, but you never know...

Unlikely. They already stated that they intend to tour Europe during the festival season this Summer and would be unwise to delay the album and the tour in its support much after the end of the Summer tour. The momentum built by such a tour (festival crowds!) would just deflate if they waited too much to start the actual album promotion.

[ResultsMayVary]

I think we'll end up seeing the same schedule that ADTOE had except we might get DT12 a bit sooner since Mangini is already in the studio and he wouldn't have to spend time outside the studio learning the songs and putting drums to them. I doubt this will make much of an impact, though. Maybe a week or two difference, if that.

[nikatapi]

I guess it is reasonable to expect the DVD in May-June, it would be a nice way to give us a DT product before the summer tour in order to refresh interest in the band, but also not too close to the album release so that it could lose sales.

Just release a freaking trailer already, it's done and we need to see it!

[BlobVanDam]

I think we'll end up seeing the same schedule that ADTOE had except we might get DT12 a bit sooner since Mangini is already in the studio and he wouldn't have to spend time outside the studio learning the songs and putting drums to them. I doubt this will make much of an impact, though. Maybe a week or two difference, if that.

Keep in mind that with ADTOE he recorded the drums after the rest of the band, whereas in this case they'd be recording it the typical order of drums first.

[?]

But now the pessimist in me has another concern: what if the new album will be delayed to make the gap between the releases bigger? It's not likely, but you never know...

Unlikely. They already stated that they intend to tour Europe during the festival season this Summer and would be unwise to delay the album and the tour in its support much after the end of the Summer tour. The momentum built by such a tour (festival crowds!) would just deflate if they waited too much to start the actual album promotion.

I know, I'm just always expecting the worst - pessimism is my nature! Oh, this gave me an idea for a new custom title...

[ResultsMayVary]

I think we'll end up seeing the same schedule that ADTOE had except we might get DT12 a bit sooner since Mangini is already in the studio and he wouldn't have to spend time outside the studio learning the songs and putting drums to them. I doubt this will make much of an impact, though. Maybe a week or two difference, if that.

Keep in mind that with ADTOE he recorded the drums after the rest of the band, whereas in this case they'd be recording it the typical order of drums first.

I understand. My point was since he is in the studio this time around, he'll be writing his drum parts while the other guys write their parts instead of the band writing (and JP taking time to program drums while he's writing) and then the main drum writing coming after that. That definitely has to save some amount of time, although its probably rather small and won't really affect the album release time table in a major way.

[BlobVanDam]

I think we'll end up seeing the same schedule that ADTOE had except we might get DT12 a bit sooner since Mangini is already in the studio and he wouldn't have to spend time outside the studio learning the songs and putting drums to them. I doubt this will make much of an impact, though. Maybe a week or two difference, if that.

Keep in mind that with ADTOE he recorded the drums after the rest of the band, whereas in this case they'd be recording it the typical order of drums first.

I understand. My point was since he is in the studio this time around, he'll be writing his drum parts while the other guys write their parts instead of the band writing (and JP taking time to program drums while he's writing) and then the main drum writing coming after that. That definitely has to save some amount of time, although its probably rather small and won't really affect the album release time table in a major way.

Ah gotcha. While I'm sure it takes time to program drums for songs that complex, I doubt it made a huge difference to the recording time. I don't know what their exact schedule was, but with different band members recording at different times, it may not have added anything at all to the recording time.

[Chino]

I wonder how JP lays down drum lines/tracks. When I used to do it, I'd use a keyboard with patches sometimes, and a drag and drop tool other times.

[Kotowboy]

When I write drum parts in Logic - it's literally one "hit" at a time.

[ResultsMayVary]

When I write drum parts in Logic - it's literally one "hit" at a time.

This. It can take a lot of time, especially if you're trying to do something complex. There's also trial and error with what you're programming. Not everything will work out right the first time.

[Kotowboy]

I can't imagine *writing* like that...

Oh thats a cool riff. lets jam on that for ten minutes. Okay stop - now I gotta write out the drums for that riff.. Ok go again.

Oh wait - what was that cool thing you just played ? Let me write out the drum parts for that...

Ten minutes later - ok lets jam those two back to back...

twenty minutes later.. Ok i got this new idea...lemme write it out in logic....twenty minutes later....Ok Go...


That seems really slow and inefficient to me !!!


Which is why I think the album may be recorded quicker this time around than ADTOE because the drums will be writing as they go.

[sfam2112]

I can't imagine *writing* like that...

Oh thats a cool riff. lets jam on that for ten minutes. Okay stop - now I gotta write out the drums for that riff.. Ok go again.

Oh wait - what was that cool thing you just played ? Let me write out the drum parts for that...

Ten minutes later - ok lets jam those two back to back...

twenty minutes later.. Ok i got this new idea...lemme write it out in logic....twenty minutes later....Ok Go...


That seems really slow and inefficient to me !!!


Which is why I think the album may be recorded quicker this time around than ADTOE because the drums will be writing as they go.

Just an assumption (unless I missed something), but I think they would have written all of the music for a particular song before they put any kind of drum track together for it.

[Kotowboy]

I still cant imagine writing without drums there.

[phentalmyst]

I think we'll end up seeing the same schedule that ADTOE had except we might get DT12 a bit sooner since Mangini is already in the studio and he wouldn't have to spend time outside the studio learning the songs and putting drums to them. I doubt this will make much of an impact, though. Maybe a week or two difference, if that.

Keep in mind that with ADTOE he recorded the drums after the rest of the band, whereas in this case they'd be recording it the typical order of drums first.

i thought i read/heard somewhere that MM recorded his parts to the demo tracks and then the band re-recorded their parts to his. hm...