Your 10 least favorite DT songs (from the studio albums only!)

[robwebster]

I don't have a bottom ten or top ten or anything, so I'm just playing this as "which ten would I least mind disappearing?" Perfectly acceptable songs, most of them, and I've got a lot of joy out of a few of them, but they're the songs I'm most likely to forget about, skip if they come on on shuffle, or occasionally even skip as I'm listening to the album.

The Killing Hand
Afterlife
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
Another Day
Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Scarred
Anna Lee
Home
In the Presence of Enemies pt. 2
The Shattered Fortress

If I'm not allowed ItPoE2, replace it with... bluh, Through Her Eyes, I guess? Again, perfectly fine song, and I usually enjoy it when it's on, but I never look forward to it, and I have to be in the right mood.

[Elite]

Why wouldn't you be allowed to plave ITPOE Pt. 2 there? 

[KevShmev]

I have no problem with people including 6DOIT and ITPOE as whole songs or listing the individual tracks.

Also, if you are someone who hasn't listed your bottom 10 yet, you can still do it.  I can do more updates when more people do lists.

[robwebster]

I bet Scarred is the most controversial song. There are ones who would die for like me, ones who have pure hatred like Blob. 

I don't think it is as controversial as you think. It's just that someone like BVD never misses an opportunity to trash it, so it looks like it is a love or hate song, but it really isn't*.  Many don't rate it as highly as you or I do, but very few consider it one of their worst, hence, it getting only 4 votes here, but Take the Time, a DT classic by any measure, also got 3, and I doubt anyone would consider that a love or hate song.  Take the Time finishes in more top 10s than Scarred, so I would say Scarred is more of a love or like song, while Take the Time is darn near universally loved by the fanbase.

*Same goes for Space Dye Vest, which got ONE vote (that was counted) here.  One.

I'd strongly disagree with all this. Scarred definitely polarises the base. And while I'd say most people are roughly apathetic, they certainly don't tend to stay apathetic long on this board because the arguments about it are just that baffling.

It's definitely love / dislike, at the very least. It had the highest standard deviation of any song (alongside TDEN) when Nick (I think?) tabulated the board's favourite songs, and it's always the subject of a lot of controversy in the survivors. Lots of people vote for it so other people vote for other songs tactically in order to save their sweetheart - it's subject to as much white knighting as mindless bashing. Equal and opposite reactions!

It got mute responses live, too, and had to be dropped from sets on the SC tour - the DT fanbase is nothing if not profoundly ambivalent about it. I think it's just okay, myself. Badly written, formless, and a little dry, but with some nice ideas and a very good intro. I'm at a place where I don't hate it, but I can understand those who do. I don't get why people love it to bits, myself, I don't entirely see where the appeal is, but I completely get why they're so passionate in arguing its side, and I don't entirely disapprove of that, either.

That's not enough to keep it out of my bottom ten, though.

I have no problem with people including 6DOIT and ITPOE as whole songs or listing the individual tracks.

Also, if you are someone who hasn't listed your bottom 10 yet, you can still do it.  I can do more updates when more people do lists.

Superb! Can't wait!

[BlobVanDam]

BVD, the whole album couldn't be their whole list, since I didn't count lists that had less than 10 songs or songs from non-studio albums.  Besides, the three least popular songs from WDADU finished pretty high here, and the other five songs aren't hated at all, so none of them likely would have made the list anyway. 

And again, only TWO people said it. Good grief, man, bitch a little more, why don't ya? 

Where am I bitching?
You laid out a format very clearly and simply, so obviously you should only count whatever fits that format, and I don't expect you to do otherwise, because that would be ridiculous. You ran it exactly how it was specified, and I haven't bitched about that at all. I merely made an observation about other people's opinions that I found amusing.
I counted potentially more than 2, but considering how close many places are, even 2 would have shifted around several spots at least.

Nowhere did I say it would have magically put all of WDADU at the bottom, and if you look at my own votes, that's clearly not even what I believe it should be.

[Nekov]

Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Scarred
Anna Lee
Home

I thought you were awesome Rob!!!

[robwebster]

Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Scarred
Anna Lee
Home

I thought you were awesome Rob!!!

Hahaha - I promise, I'm not! I'm rubbish, me!

Anna Lee's probably my favourite of that bunch, and I don't hate any of them... but oof, they're so skippable! Sorry. D:

[KevShmev]

rob, do you know for a fact that Scarred was dropped from set lists because of muted responses from crowds? I know JP once said that he was surprised that Scarred didn't get much of a reaction from live crowds, but some songs go over better with live crowds do.  Constant Motion is among the most least liked songs here apparently, yet word was always that it went over well live.  DT brings out a lot of metal fans to shows and those types of fans aren't always gonna dig the longer songs.  And too many prog fans like to stand there like statues and make sure a single note is not messed up , so they aren't always the loudest fans at shows either.  In other words, reactions from live crowds do not always define how well like songs are by the fanbase as a whole.  And I think most of us would agree that favorites by the online fans, ones who post at fan sites like this, are always gonna be a bit different, no?

[BlobVanDam]

I bet Scarred is the most controversial song. There are ones who would die for like me, ones who have pure hatred like Blob. 

I don't think it is as controversial as you think. It's just that someone like BVD never misses an opportunity to trash it, so it looks like it is a love or hate song, but it really isn't*.  Many don't rate it as highly as you or I do, but very few consider it one of their worst, hence, it getting only 4 votes here, but Take the Time, a DT classic by any measure, also got 3, and I doubt anyone would consider that a love or hate song.  Take the Time finishes in more top 10s than Scarred, so I would say Scarred is more of a love or like song, while Take the Time is darn near universally loved by the fanbase.

It got FOUR votes. No need to single me out as the only one "trashing it", and especially no need to be downright dismissive and rude time after time. I included the song in a list. That is not trashing it.
There's nothing wrong with expressing a strong negative opinion, especially when I actually go to the trouble of expressing opinions respectfully, unlike so many people here with the recent DT stuff.

[KevShmev]

Blob, the fact that SeRox posted this...

I bet Scarred is the most controversial song. There are ones who would die for like me, ones who have pure hatred like Blob. 

...just shows that you have a rep for being the resident Scarred basher.  I don't care if you rip it or not, but at least own up to the fact that you never miss an opportunity to say how bad you think it is.  I think almost EVERYONE knows what you think of Scarred.

And I didn't say you putting it in your list was trashing it; I said you never miss an opportunity to trash it, which is true.

[robwebster]

rob, do you know for a fact that Scarred was dropped from set lists because of muted responses from crowds? I know JP once said that he was surprised that Scarred didn't get much of a reaction from live crowds, but some songs go over better with live crowds do.  Constant Motion is among the most least liked songs here apparently, yet word was always that it went over well live.  DT brings out a lot of metal fans to shows and those types of fans aren't always gonna dig the longer songs.  And too many prog fans like to stand there like statues and make sure a single note is not messed up , so they aren't always the loudest fans at shows either.  In other words, reactions from live crowds do not always define how well like songs are by the fanbase as a whole.  And I think most of us would agree that favorites by the online fans, ones who post at fan sites like this, are always gonna be a bit different, no?

Completely agreed! We're the 1% - the mad fringe, who've turned each song over umpteen thousand times to milk each detail dry. But I think that's all the more reason to set stock by live responses et al. when we're trying to measure how much the wider fanbase loves each song and album.

You're probably right on the specifics of the JP quote - it's half-remembered, and I shouldn't have really repeated it without checking, because that's how truisms are born. And the observation about progheads and metalheads is very astute. You're probably right - the kind of people who really like it are probably the kind of people who wouldn't be as animated within the crowd, and a crowd's a living thing that really needs to move as one to get a response. But if a particular song quells the more vocal corners of the crowd, that's almost the definition of a base-splitter, surely?

So I'm in the weird position where I agree with all your points, but I'd still say this is one of the very few points where the eye of the storm's a pretty fair reflection of the DT wilderness. Which is... I have no idea how to end this post!

[SeRoX]

Blob, I don't get why you are being upset when someone says the fact: you don't love Scarred or even hate it. That's the fact and it's absolutely normal. Some loves some doesn't. It's perfectly natural when Scarred matters your name is on the table because obliviously you are the one who says how bad Awake is and the Scarred is one of the worst in every chance.

[BlobVanDam]

Blob, the fact that SeRox posted this...

I bet Scarred is the most controversial song. There are ones who would die for like me, ones who have pure hatred like Blob. 

...just shows that you have a rep for being the resident Scarred basher.  I don't care if you rip it or not, but at least own up to the fact that you never miss an opportunity to say how bad you think it is.

And I didn't say you putting it in your list was trashing it; I said you never miss an opportunity to trash it, which is true.

We've had two people in this thread discuss my dislike of it, and all I did was list it without any further elaboration. That is where the rep comes from. Other people seem to never miss an opportunity to mention my dislike of it, whether I participate or not.
Wouldn't this thread have been a perfect opportunity to "trash" it? So much for never missing an opportunity.

[KevShmev]

rob, do you know for a fact that Scarred was dropped from set lists because of muted responses from crowds? I know JP once said that he was surprised that Scarred didn't get much of a reaction from live crowds, but some songs go over better with live crowds do.  Constant Motion is among the most least liked songs here apparently, yet word was always that it went over well live.  DT brings out a lot of metal fans to shows and those types of fans aren't always gonna dig the longer songs.  And too many prog fans like to stand there like statues and make sure a single note is not messed up , so they aren't always the loudest fans at shows either.  In other words, reactions from live crowds do not always define how well like songs are by the fanbase as a whole.  And I think most of us would agree that favorites by the online fans, ones who post at fan sites like this, are always gonna be a bit different, no?

Completely agreed! We're the 1% - the mad fringe, who've turned each song over umpteen thousand times to milk each detail dry. But I think that's all the more reason to set stock by live responses et al. when we're trying to measure how much the wider fanbase loves each song and album.

You're probably right on the specifics of the JP quote - it's half-remembered, and I shouldn't have really repeated it without checking, because that's how truisms are born. And the observation about progheads and metalheads is very astute. You're probably right - the kind of people who really like it are probably the kind of people who wouldn't be as animated within the crowd, and a crowd's a living thing that really needs to move as one to get a response. But if a particular song quells the more vocal corners of the crowd, that's almost the definition of a base-splitter, surely?

So I'm in the weird position where I agree with all your points, but I'd still say this is one of the very few points where the eye of the storm's a pretty fair reflection of the DT wilderness. Which is... I have no idea how to end this post!

I don't even know where to begin with this , but I'll just give it two and leave it at that.

[robwebster]

I can work with that!

This is how more discussions should end.

[Cool Chris]

Constant Motion is among the most least liked songs here apparently, yet word was always that it went over well live.

CM easily made my bottom 10, but seeing it live wasn't nearly as bad as I would have thought it would be. Rite of Passage as well (though I think that song is ok aside from the weirdo JR section). Some of their songs just work better live for whatever reason.

[KevShmev]

We've had two people in this thread discuss my dislike of it, and all I did was list it without any further elaboration. That is where the rep comes from. Other people seem to never miss an opportunity to mention my dislike of it, whether I participate or not.

Playing the victim now, eh?  No wonder you are often on Mike Portnoy's side!

Wouldn't this thread have been a perfect opportunity to "trash" it? 

Yep, but this thread probably still has a long way to go. 

[KevShmev]

I can work with that!

This is how more discussions should end.

Amen to that.

[Rattlehead]

Ok this wasn't easy... and it doesn't mean I legitimately dislike these songs, I just wouldn't care as much about them "disappearing" as someone stated before.

Build Me Up Break Me Down
I Walk Beside You
Never Enough
The Great Debate
Lie
Solitary Shell
ITPOE pt 2
Through Her Eyes
Sacrificed Sons
These Walls

[Rattlehead]

ahh sorry not sure what happened here but a mod can delete this lol... 

[Rattlehead]

Surprised that BMUBMD isn't on more people's lists honestly... it's just so NOT DT lol

[Scorpion]

Half of these songs are very good. But hey, opinions.

[Nekov]

Solitary shell 

[KevShmev]

Surprised that BMUBMD isn't on more people's lists honestly... it's just so NOT DT lol

Actually, if a band does a style, then that style then becomes a part of who they are, right?

Or are you saying that bands shouldn't branch out and write songs out of their usual box?

[Pols Voice]

This thread's getting kinda confrontational. Everybody has their own opinions, and they should be respected...

PS Scarred rules.

PPS Guys...I...I don't really mind You Not Me. It's okay. THERE I SAID IT.

[Fourth Horseman]

HOW COULD ANYONE PUT TAKE THE TIME IN THEIR BOTTOM 10       

[TheGreatPretender]

PPS Guys...I...I don't really mind You Not Me. It's okay. THERE I SAID IT.

I think You Not Me is awesome. We're so edgy!

[Cool Chris]

YNM is in my bottom 10, but when FII came out, I actually liked it. But it was probably in comparison to how much I disliked the majority of the rest of the album  I still don't hate it like others, but it is in my bottom 10.

PPS Guys...I...I don't really mind You Not Me. It's okay. THERE I SAID IT.

It just occurred to me after who knows how many years... a Pols Voice is actually an enemy in LoZ.

Surprised that BMUBMD isn't on more people's lists honestly... it's just so NOT DT lol

I am surprised to see it listed as much as I have.

[SomeoneLikeHim]

Home

wut

[Ruba]

11. Take Away My Pain - 13 votes

This one surprises me. It's one of the most beautiful songs DT has made.

I wish the studio version had the sax. Maybe then it wouldn't been on my list.

Dude.... You suck.... You just suck.

Thanks man.

[Pols Voice]

YNM has some solid riffage.

It just occurred to me after who knows how many years... a Pols Voice is actually an enemy in LoZ.

[GasparXR]

I'm surprised Repentance made the list, it's one of my favourite DT songs.

[TheGreatPretender]

I can't wait to see someone list Metropolis.

[GasparXR]

I can't wait to see someone list Metropolis.

I recall someone doing that last year.

[Ruba]

I try to find out, if some other songs were outside the lists. It takes some time.