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Images and Words vs Metropolis pt 2: Scenes From a Memory

Started by Fourth Horseman, July 13, 2012, 09:17:33 AM

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Which full length album do you like better?

Images and Words
92 (59%)
Metropolis pt 2: Scenes From a Memory
64 (41%)

Total Members Voted: 156

KevShmev

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: KevShmev on July 15, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
I think you need to accept that many of us who have listened to a lot simply don't think it is that good or memorable.  It's like you refuse to accept that anyone doesn't think it is totally awesome, so you come up with possible flimsy, fabricated reasons like us not listening to it enough.

Hey, all I know is that when I first heard songs like Scarred, Caught in a Web, Blind Faith, These Walls, to name a few, I didn't much like them, so I never really listened to them. When I did start listening to them, once I said, "Okay, people really like these songs. Why?" I decided to give them a fair chance and started to get into them a lot more.

Again, you are making the INCORRECT assumption that all of us who aren't big fans of the song haven't listened to it enough.  I have had Scenes since the day it came out over 12 1/2 years ago, I listened to it like crazy for most of 2000, and quite a lot since then, so The Dance of Eternity is a song I have likely heard hundreds of times.

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 07:37:08 PM
I don't refuse to believe anything. I just don't enjoy one of my favorite songs to be referred to as "wankery" a stupid term in and of itself. At least come up with something a little more constructive.

I am sorry if your sensibilities are that delicate, but no song is immune to criticism around here.  Scarred is my favorite DT song, but do you see me getting my shorts in a bind every time someone criticizes it, even if it is a criticism I think it is silly?  Nope.  You ought to adopt the same philosophy when it comes to The Dance..., unless you want to constantly get into arguments with people simply because they don't like a song as much as you do.  And I do like The Dance of Eternity for the most part; I just think the second half of it is tedious, and it sounds out of place on Scenes. 

Fourth Horseman

A lot of criticism of TDOE is fair although I disagree with it.  There are some people who just don't get it and that's understandable given how complex it is. Once I knew the song by ear and I could tap along with the ever changing beat, it made it more enjoyable just like with any other song in which you know what part is coming next. However, I'm not saying everyone who doesn't like it doesn't get it, but that seems to be the case for some who dismiss it as "random wankery"

The King in Crimson

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.

Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.

I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.

In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.

Ħ

 Random wankery is good. At that point in DT's history, it wasn't so explicitly random. So it was something "progressive" for them.

Fourth Horseman

Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.

Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.

I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.

In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.

No one hates Take The Time. No. Never.

BlobVanDam

Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 15, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.

Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.

I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.

In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.

No one hates Take The Time. No. Never.

And if they did, I'd be like "Hold it now, wait a minute, come on.......... just let me catch my breath"

Fourth Horseman

Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 15, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.

Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.

I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.

In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.

No one hates Take The Time. No. Never.

And if they did, I'd be like "Hold it now, wait a minute, come on.......... just let me catch my breath"

:hat

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.

In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.

I'm not talking about hate. I'm saying, if someone said, "Ah yeah, Voices used to be one of my favorite. But it hasn't aged well, I find that it lost its magic and drags on," or something of the sort.
Or people who say, "I used to love Dream Theater, but I don't listen to them anymore," it's damn sad. Yes, there's plenty of great bands out there, but it's a shame when someone used to be into your favorite band, but lost their interest.
Same thing for songs, I think. It's a shame that you don't appreciate TDOE the way you used to.

SystematicThought

Or it's just life. I don't really find it sad. It's just human nature that your tastes change

GasparXR

Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
And if they did, I'd be like "Hold it now, wait a minute, come on.......... just let me breathe"

Fixed.  :hat

nicmos

Quote from: GasparXR on July 16, 2012, 03:17:54 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
And if they did, I'd be like "Hold it now, wait a minute, come on.......... just let me breathe"

Fixed.  :hat

It's time to pick up the pieces, go back to square one.  I think it's time for a chayeeange.

Maybe we can focus on other things about the two albums besides TDOE.  Like how awesome Metropolis Pt 1 is, or Overture 1928, or how lame Another Day is  ;D

Ruba

Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 15, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.

Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.

I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.

In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.

No one hates Take The Time. No. Never.

Wanna meet my sister? She hates almost anything rock or metal.

chrisbDTM


Ruba


TheGreatPretender

So that means, there's still very much potential that she'll grow up and actually develop GOOD musical tastes.

chrisbDTM


TheGreatPretender


Scorpion




GasparXR


Jarzombek


TheGreatPretender

Quote from: GasparXR on July 16, 2012, 01:35:12 PM
Are you saying that the sex sounds in Home are actually Victoria masturbating?

To be fair, you only hear HER voice, right? Aside from the Casino guy's.

Adami

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 16, 2012, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: GasparXR on July 16, 2012, 01:35:12 PM
Are you saying that the sex sounds in Home are actually Victoria masturbating?

To be fair, you only hear HER voice, right? Aside from the Casino guy's.

Exactly. Victoria's a whore.
www. fanticide.bandcamp . com

TheGreatPretender

Right in front of Julian, under the Black Jack table, too. Tsk tsk tsk.
So innocent, my ass.

jonnybaxy

SFAM all the way!

The story in the song is so good!

Strange deja vu, fatal tragedy, home, one last time and finally free!

It's pure brilliance, my (current) favorite album.

The King in Crimson

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 16, 2012, 12:15:57 AM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.

In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.

I'm not talking about hate. I'm saying, if someone said, "Ah yeah, Voices used to be one of my favorite. But it hasn't aged well, I find that it lost its magic and drags on," or something of the sort.
Or people who say, "I used to love Dream Theater, but I don't listen to them anymore," it's damn sad. Yes, there's plenty of great bands out there, but it's a shame when someone used to be into your favorite band, but lost their interest.
Same thing for songs, I think. It's a shame that you don't appreciate TDOE the way you used to.
Tastes change.  Not really controversial.

Quote from: BlobVanDam on July 15, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Fourth Horseman on July 15, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 15, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 15, 2012, 08:11:05 PM
Not really.

Lots of good music out there, no sense worrying about just one song.

I'm sure there are people out there saying the same thing about your favorite DT song.
I'm sure a lot of people hate Voices, Take The Time, The Great Debate and Space-Dye Vest.

In fact, I'm absolutely positive of it.

No one hates Take The Time. No. Never.

And if they did, I'd be like "Hold it now, wait a minute, come on.......... just let me catch my breath"
:lol

jjrock88


TheGreatPretender

Quote from: The King in Crimson on July 16, 2012, 07:49:24 PM
Tastes change.  Not really controversial.


Well, if you don't get what I'm talking about, it's still sad.

wolven74

Images and Words

There really isn't a comparison between these two. SFAM is a great album, with an amazing concept, but Images and Words is a classic.

TheGreatPretender

Quote from: wolven74 on July 17, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Images and Words

There really isn't a comparison between these two. SFAM is a great album, with an amazing concept, but Images and Words is a classic.

SFAM is also a classic.

BlobVanDam

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 17, 2012, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: wolven74 on July 17, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Images and Words

There really isn't a comparison between these two. SFAM is a great album, with an amazing concept, but Images and Words is a classic.

SFAM is also a classic.

:tup :tup

obscure


jonnybaxy

Quote from: Adami on July 16, 2012, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 16, 2012, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: GasparXR on July 16, 2012, 01:35:12 PM
Are you saying that the sex sounds in Home are actually Victoria masturbating?

To be fair, you only hear HER voice, right? Aside from the Casino guy's.

Exactly. Victoria's a whore.

I heard it was hinting towards Victoria having sex with the miracle   :smiley:

Unlegit

Images and Words is my favorite DT album, but SfaM is my 2nd.