Songs you hope they DON'T play on this upcoming tour

[The Letter M]

I can not be certain about Disappear.

Hmmm...that's an interesting one.  Personally, I love the song.  But I'm not sure I would ever really want to hear it live.  But that being said, I wish we had a better version recorded for DVD.  It bugs me that James flubbed the lyrics on the Budokan version.  Of course, they could always do an official bootleg release of the show with the other time they played it with Friessen.  It wouldn't surprise me if that was actually one of the releases that was in the works before Mike left the band.

He flubbed the lyrics on LAB? I guess I wasn't paying enough attention to them as I was the emotion or the playing or the melody itself. Which lyric(s) did he mess up on??

Still, it cannot be worse than the flub that Theresa made on "The Spirit Carries On" on LSFNY, which is the only stain on such an amazing performance of the song (which still gives me goosebumps)!

-Marc.

[Shadow2222]

@Bosk1 It would be pretty easy too, considering that show has technically already been "officially" released as a fanclub CD entitled A Sort of Homecoming.

I would love to get my hands on that.

[TAC]

Maybe they'll release the Boston Freisin show.

I just hope Ytsejam releases do not " disappear".

[SeRoX]

I can not be certain about Disappear.

It bugs me that James flubbed the lyrics on the Budokan version.   

Really? Funny that I listen Budokan version million times and I've never noticed it. I guess James' emotional performance makes it imperceptible. 

[BlobVanDam]

Maybe they'll release the Boston Freisin show.

I just hope Ytsejam releases do not " disappear".

Realistically, there's no way we'll ever get another one.

[Lolzeez]

Anything from wdadu including ytse jam (heard 5 times live enough eh?)
6:00
Pull me under (heard 5 times live as well)
anna lee
just let me breathe
you not me
burning my soul
peruvian skies (don't ask.)
six degrees (the title track)
as i am (3 times)
honor thy father (sadly i saw it once)
the answer lies within
i walk beside you (2 times)
panic attack (only once)
forsaken
dark eternal knight
anything off bc&sl except tuscany
beneath the surface (seen once)






canadian rap

[bosk1]

I can not be certain about Disappear.

It bugs me that James flubbed the lyrics on the Budokan version.   

Really? Funny that I listen Budokan version million times and I've never noticed it. I guess James' emotional performance makes it imperceptible. 

Yeah, I believe it's on the "Time, I'll turn this slowly 'round" part.  He says "Time," and then mumbles something incoherently that has nothing to do with what the actual lyrics are supposed to be.  Overall, it's fairly minor.  But given the very personal nature of the song, it's a bummer me missed that line.

Maybe they'll release the Boston Freisin show.

I just hope Ytsejam releases do not " disappear".

Realistically, there's no way we'll ever get another one.

Really?  My memory could be failing me, but I seem to recall JP saying they planned to get that back on track and issue some releases down the road.

[Pinga]

I absolutely adored the set list they gave us in S.F. the first time around.  But that being said, I would love it if they didn't duplicate any of the non-ADTOE songs.

Good call. Some very notable variety between tours would be much-appreciated, and it would also provide them with more than enough material if they plan to film a 2- or 3-show DVD.

[BlobVanDam]

Maybe they'll release the Boston Freisin show.

I just hope Ytsejam releases do not " disappear".

Realistically, there's no way we'll ever get another one.

Really?  My memory could be failing me, but I seem to recall JP saying they planned to get that back on track and issue some releases down the road.

I can't remember seeing it, so no idea. I wonder how that would work? MP was the one with the copies of every recording, wasn't he? And he was the one who generally set up and ran everything, and handled all of the releases. I think sorting all of that out for DT to release more would be kind of tricky.

[TAC]

Right, JP did say after the split that Ytsejam would continue. I just don't think they'd release anything that would compete with a proper DVD from this tour for quite a while. Even if they do continue, I can't see anything coming for easily another year... Which sucks IMO!

[comment]

They can play any and I'd be fine.

This

[darkshade]

I'm sorry, but something needs to be from BC&SL, at least for the new DVD. Probably The Count of Tuscany.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

I'm sorry, but something needs to be from BC&SL, at least for the new DVD. Probably The Count of Tuscany.

Is that why there's been nothing from BC&SL and the shows have been getting rave reviews?

EDIT: Actually, I'd be willing to trade These Walls, Forsaken, and BMUBMD for Count.

[bosk1]

I'm sorry, but something needs to be from BC&SL, at least for the new DVD. Probably The Count of Tuscany.

Agreed.  I'm sure there will be something.  Even if it is not in the "main set" on the DVD (assuming they are doing a traditional concert-style DVD), they could very well include individual songs from other shows.

But for the upcoming U.S. leg, I wouldn't mind at all if they included a BCSL song since I haven't seen any performed live.

[lyfeternl]

Not really understanding where all of the BMUBMD hate is coming from... It is a song better experienced live in my opinion yes, hate me because I'm American and get to see DT shows

I would be okay if they didn't play any FII songs, with the exception of Trial of Tears, Hell's Kitchen, New Millennium, and Hollow Years (though, I believe they've already been captured live in one way, shape, or form)

[bosk1]

Not really understanding where all of the BMUBMD hate is coming from...

  I'm not seeing any "hate."  But it's a song that is generally not liked nearly as much as the others on the album, so it makes sense that people who have already seen it would much prefer to see something else in its place this time around.  I loved it on the last U.S. leg and was glad they played it, but I'm with the crowd that would like to see that slot filled with something else this time now that I have already seen it.

[KevShmev]

Wasn't it said that BMU,BMD always got great reactions from the live crowds? If so, I can't see the band dropping it this summer, as bands love to eat up crowd favorites like that.  And why wouldn't they?

[BlobVanDam]

I'm sorry, but something needs to be from BC&SL, at least for the new DVD. Probably The Count of Tuscany.

Agreed.  I'm sure there will be something.  Even if it is not in the "main set" on the DVD (assuming they are doing a traditional concert-style DVD), they could very well include individual songs from other shows.

But for the upcoming U.S. leg, I wouldn't mind at all if they included a BCSL song since I haven't seen any performed live.

They really have to include something from BCASL on the DVD, at the VERY least TCOT, and maybe Wither (have they played that this tour? I can't remember). Not sure that sticking a BCASL song in the regular set will be a priority at this point in the tour though.

Wasn't it said that BMU,BMD always got great reactions from the live crowds? If so, I can't see the band dropping it this summer, as bands love to eat up crowd favorites like that.  And why wouldn't they?

The shorter, more accessible songs like that usually do get a pretty good reaction from the audience, plus it's a shorter song off their most recent album that won't take up a lot of set space. I agree its spot is probably pretty safe.

[SeRoX]

Wasn't it said that BMU,BMD always got great reactions from the live crowds? If so, I can't see the band dropping it this summer, as bands love to eat up crowd favorites like that.  And why wouldn't they?

True. Though it's the least favourite song on the album for me and I think it doesn't sound like DT at all, it's absolutely killer live. Especially the last scream by James.

[KevShmev]

They really have to include something from BCASL on the DVD, at the VERY least TCOT, and maybe Wither (have they played that this tour? I can't remember). Not sure that sticking a BCASL song in the regular set will be a priority at this point in the tour though.

Okay, I hate to beat this point to death, but why do they have to?  The goal should be to make a great set list, and if they don't think any of the BC&SL songs fit into it, then forcing one into the set list just because it is their 2nd most recent album and because some fans think every album has to be represented out the wazoo on live DVDs, seems rather silly to me.  I have said before that, even though he did a good job with the set lists over the years, Portnoy became a slave to that line of thinking as the years went on, which is why some of the set lists on many of the Rudess-era live DVDs are not great.  Sure, it can be nice to say, "This many songs have been on a live DVD release," but it causes some of the individual releases to suffer. 

[fadetoblackdude7]

I hope they don't play A Change Of Seasons or Lifting Shadows Off A Dream because I really wanna hear those live and I'm gonna miss this upcoming tour 

[BlobVanDam]

They really have to include something from BCASL on the DVD, at the VERY least TCOT, and maybe Wither (have they played that this tour? I can't remember). Not sure that sticking a BCASL song in the regular set will be a priority at this point in the tour though.

Okay, I hate to beat this point to death, but why do they have to?  The goal should be to make a great set list, and if they don't think any of the BC&SL songs fit into it, then forcing one into the set list just because it is their 2nd most recent album and because some fans think every album has to be represented out the wazoo on live DVDs, seems rather silly to me.  I have said before that, even though he did a good job with the set lists over the years, Portnoy became a slave to that line of thinking as the years went on, which is why some of the set lists on many of the Rudess-era live DVDs are not great.  Sure, it can be nice to say, "This many songs have been on a live DVD release," but it causes some of the individual releases to suffer. 

Why wouldn't they include songs from BCASL? Do we really need the millionth performance of Metropolis when there are whole albums that aren't represented yet? It makes no sense at all. By the same token, I guess they don't need to play anything from ADTOE either, right? They really should include songs from BCASL.
There is no point of releasing a DVD with the same songs over and over, because people won't have any reason to buy it, just as people won't see your live show again and again with the same setlists. How many times would you ever need to see AC/DC? See them once, you've seen any show from the past 20 years.
It's just basic business 101, and DT would be careless to ignore that. I'm not saying be a slave to it, and DT never have been, but there's really no point releasing a live album every tour if it's the same old stuff.

[KevShmev]

Did I say release the same songs over and over?  No.  But most of the Rudess-era live DVDs have songs on there that are like, "Eh, why is that on there?"  Meanwhile, great songs are ignored because, heaven forbid, we see them more than once on a live DVD.  DT has more than enough great songs to do a new live DVD with plenty of new songs and plenty of classics.  I wouldn't mind seeing The Count of Tuscany on there (the only BC&SL song with probably a great shot of making it), but realize that including that means 2-3 possible other songs will not make it.  When you factor in the 3-4 longer songs from the new album that are likely to be played and make it, too many longer songs will result in fewer songs making it. 

Also, we have still NEVER gotten Metropolis as a whole with just the five band members on an official live DVD (not counting the ytsejam releases); the 5YIAL version doesn't have the last two minutes, and the Score version has the orchestra.  To me, that is unbelievable.  But hey, at least we've gotten The Answer Lies Within, Just Let Me Breathe and Burning My Soul!

[BlobVanDam]

There's just no reason for retread without offering something new. Obviously you want a good mix, but imo the focus on each DVD should be to offer something "new", whether that's a new song that's never been played, or an old song with a new twist, such as Metropolis with the orchestra, or a song that hasn't been played in long enough that it's a different experience (having MM opens up the field substantially there).
DT aren't a hits band where there are songs they should or shouldn't play. Their fanbase is diverse, so every song is justified, whether you or I may personally like it or not. Hey, without the live version of JLMB, I'd have never even gotten into FII at all, and it's a great live song.
I'd much rather have less songs, but have great songs I've never heard live, than have more songs, but really offer nothing new.

[Frost134]

I don't really care, since this is an American tour, but I wouldn't want to see Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, The Dance of Eternity, In The Name of God, Panic Attack and anything off of BC&SL, save Wither.

no ITNOG? Wow, i don't think i've ever seen someone dislike that song. Ever 

[Tis BOOLsheet]

They really have to include something from BCASL on the DVD, at the VERY least TCOT, and maybe Wither (have they played that this tour? I can't remember). Not sure that sticking a BCASL song in the regular set will be a priority at this point in the tour though.

Okay, I hate to beat this point to death, but why do they have to?  The goal should be to make a great set list, and if they don't think any of the BC&SL songs fit into it, then forcing one into the set list just because it is their 2nd most recent album and because some fans think every album has to be represented out the wazoo on live DVDs, seems rather silly to me.  I have said before that, even though he did a good job with the set lists over the years, Portnoy became a slave to that line of thinking as the years went on, which is why some of the set lists on many of the Rudess-era live DVDs are not great.  Sure, it can be nice to say, "This many songs have been on a live DVD release," but it causes some of the individual releases to suffer. 

Why wouldn't they include songs from BCASL? Do we really need the millionth performance of Metropolis when there are whole albums that aren't represented yet? It makes no sense at all. By the same token, I guess they don't need to play anything from ADTOE either, right? They really should include songs from BCASL.
There is no point of releasing a DVD with the same songs over and over, because people won't have any reason to buy it, just as people won't see your live show again and again with the same setlists. How many times would you ever need to see AC/DC? See them once, you've seen any show from the past 20 years.
It's just basic business 101, and DT would be careless to ignore that. I'm not saying be a slave to it, and DT never have been, but there's really no point releasing a live album every tour if it's the same old stuff.

Actually, they do need to play songs from ADTOE. It's not the same token.

[KevShmev]

Yep.  ADTOE is the album they are touring on, so it goes without saying that songs from that will be played and featured; it is absurd to suggest otherwise.

[Cool Chris]

I'd much rather have less songs, but have great songs I've never heard live, than have more songs, but really offer nothing new.

I think songs that have been on DVDs before can offer something new, though. And not just in the sense of the Score orchestra, or having Charlie sing along. Learning to Live from 2012 will sound different that it did in 2002, which will sound different than it did in 1992. Mangini will play some role in that, but like you said this isn't AC/DC where the only thing that changes is the stage production.

[theseoafs]

I don't really care, since this is an American tour, but I wouldn't want to see Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, The Dance of Eternity, In The Name of God, Panic Attack and anything off of BC&SL, save Wither.

no ITNOG? Wow, i don't think i've ever seen someone dislike that song. Ever 

It's okay. Nothing more, nothing less.

[robwebster]

There's just no reason for retread without offering something new. Obviously you want a good mix, but imo the focus on each DVD should be to offer something "new", whether that's a new song that's never been played, or an old song with a new twist, such as Metropolis with the orchestra, or a song that hasn't been played in long enough that it's a different experience (having MM opens up the field substantially there).
DT aren't a hits band where there are songs they should or shouldn't play. Their fanbase is diverse, so every song is justified, whether you or I may personally like it or not. Hey, without the live version of JLMB, I'd have never even gotten into FII at all, and it's a great live song.
I'd much rather have less songs, but have great songs I've never heard live, than have more songs, but really offer nothing new.

In fairness, I'm pretty sure (though I'm probably wrong!) that before Score, the only rendition of Metropolis was the fairly iffy (incomplete?) one on Five Years in a LIVEtime? Wasn't on Live in Tokyo, wasn't on Budokan, and I'm pretty sure the only bonus songs (ha! "only!") on Met. 2000 were A Change of Seasons, Learning to Live, and the A Mind Beside Itself trilogy?

So... Score might've been the first DVD footage. Certainly the first pro-shot footage.

But, I do agree. I'm pretty open to War Inside My Head, The Root of All Evil and The Dark Eternal Night, 'cos the first and last have John Petrucci backing vocals, and TROAE has the (really cool) new outro, which is prob. better than the album outro.

I still wouldn't put TDEN and WIMH on the DVD, just 'cos TDEN was on the last one, and WIMH was on the two before that. But I won't mind at all if they turn up.

[Elite]

I don't really care, since this is an American tour, but I wouldn't want to see Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, The Dance of Eternity, In The Name of God, Panic Attack and anything off of BC&SL, save Wither.

no ITNOG? Wow, i don't think i've ever seen someone dislike that song. Ever 

It's okay. Nothing more, nothing less.

yeah, this, basically, though I suppose I dislike it more than the seoafs

[BlobVanDam]

Yep.  ADTOE is the album they are touring on, so it goes without saying that songs from that will be played and featured; it is absurd to suggest otherwise.

I find it equally absurd to skip BCASL for the DVD.

[Adami]

6:00

I love the song. But Mangini doesn't play it correctly, and that annoys me.

[Tis BOOLsheet]

Yep.  ADTOE is the album they are touring on, so it goes without saying that songs from that will be played and featured; it is absurd to suggest otherwise.

I find it equally absurd to skip BCASL for the DVD.

Well that just makes your line of thinking absurd 

EDIT: The tour is a Dramatic Tour of Events, and was designed specifically to promote the new album. I don't know if you know this, but when bands release an album 99.9999999999999999999999% of the time, the tour promoting the album contains songs from the new album. It's common practice, settled expectation, and all but literally required. Whether or not you like it, that is not the same thing as not playing songs from previous albums that you feel have been neglected on recent tours.

[KevShmev]

Yep.  ADTOE is the album they are touring on, so it goes without saying that songs from that will be played and featured; it is absurd to suggest otherwise.

I find it equally absurd to skip BCASL for the DVD.

Well that just makes your line of thinking absurd 

Pretty much.  They have played 6-7 songs (if I am not mistaken) from ADTOE at every single show since its release, but not playing anything from it would make as much sense as not playing anything from an album that is not new?  Okay.