It has occurred to me...

YtseBitsySpider · January 23, 2012, 07:28:29 AM

That I am annoyed by Dream Theater's Grammy nom.

Why?

Well....in my opinion....(that's right mine not neccessarily anyone elses) the most recent album, with it's new drummer is NOT one of their best works. Certainly it is quite good, and better than some of their other works. But not their best. So now, out of the blue the Grammy people decide that this song, from this disc, and this current line up is worthy??

Yup....I'm annoyed.

Nekov · January 23, 2012, 07:48:45 AM

+1

I think if all the MP drama had not happened, DT wouldn't have been nominated.

Jaq · January 23, 2012, 07:53:18 AM

7StringedBeast · January 23, 2012, 07:56:17 AM

The only reason I could see you being upset would be if the Grammys ever made sense. They do not make sense though. No real reason to be annoyed specifically at this. Being annoyed by the Grammys in general though, I could see that.

VioletS16 · January 23, 2012, 08:20:49 AM

Maybe not their best album *ever* but better than BCASL, SC and 8VM in my opinion. I think it was very good that they were nominated--it'll help spread the word that DT's new drummer is Mike Mangini to people that don't know yet (I'm sure it's possible.)

TL · January 23, 2012, 08:24:07 AM

Quote from: Nekov on January 23, 2012, 07:48:45 AM
+1

I think if all the MP drama had not happened, DT wouldn't have been nominated.

Do you actually think the Grammy people care about that, or are even aware of it?

@Ytse; You're annoyed that they're being nominated for an award now that they're somewhat well known, rather than back when they were still relatively obscure? An organization isn't going to nominate something for an award if they don't know it exists.

It's very simple. DT are better known now than they've ever been, and that happens to have coincided with them releasing a great album.

JimmyJava · January 23, 2012, 08:29:22 AM

I'm just glad they've been nominated, really. They freaking deserve it. Us fans know how good the rest of the DT albums are and besides, if this nom gets them more attention and more fans, I'm sure they'll find their way to Words, Awake and Scenes too.

namgalsipsclar · January 23, 2012, 08:41:15 AM

Quote from: 7StringedBeast on January 23, 2012, 07:56:17 AM
The only reason I could see you being upset would be if the Grammys ever made sense. They do not make sense though. No real reason to be annoyed specifically at this. Being annoyed by the Grammys in general though, I could see that.

Exactly

hefdaddy42 · January 23, 2012, 08:52:43 AM

WTF

BlobVanDam · January 23, 2012, 08:55:32 AM

It doesn't have to make sense. The Grammys are a joke.
But I think DT deserves this kind of recognition regardless for their achievements over the past 20 years. You can just think of it as a belated Grammy for one of their better albums/songs if that helps you sleep tonight.

SystematicThought · January 23, 2012, 08:57:13 AM

I'm sorry, I just find this to be a very odd reason to be mad annoyed. The people in charge of the Grammy's don't give a shit about the whole MP thing.

And compared to other DT singles released in the past few years, OTBOA deserves to be nominated as it is DT. Not DT Metallica or Muse. It sounds like Dream Theater

Vivace · January 23, 2012, 09:04:23 AM

Dream Theater produces their best disk in over a decade and sells out concerts and it's annoying they got nominated?! From my point of view it makes perfect sense and it's about time and well deserved.

Nekov · January 23, 2012, 09:20:21 AM

Quote from: TL on January 23, 2012, 08:24:07 AM
Quote from: Nekov on January 23, 2012, 07:48:45 AM
+1

I think if all the MP drama had not happened, DT wouldn't have been nominated.
Do you actually think the Grammy people care about that, or are even aware of it?

I'm pretty sure they don't care who it is that left or came in but all the drama that was generated because of it. Grammys are one of those events designed to win money, the more people they can get to pay attention the better and DT got lots of publicity due to the recent "Dramatic Turn of Events". So I think that probably had something to do with the nomination.

King Postwhore · January 23, 2012, 09:38:48 AM

It's no big thang Ytse.

Jamesman42 · January 23, 2012, 09:40:22 AM

In the name of Hef, I am asking you all to

right now.

LudwigVan · January 23, 2012, 10:17:01 AM

As if 'Crest Of a Knave' was Jethro Tull's best album ever.

YtseBitsySpider · January 23, 2012, 10:31:08 AM

Quote from: kingshmegland on January 23, 2012, 09:38:48 AM
It's no big thang Ytse.

...sigh.....I know.
I know.
And Blob's words make enough sense.
I can't expect them to get the recognition they deserve post-time..or..for albums long gone by.

It just makes no sense...why now?..Of ALL the albums..and time periods.

Jamesman42 · January 23, 2012, 10:33:00 AM

Because they've become bigger over the years bro

Edit: And it seems like the music industry has become open to more unconventional music that isn't generic rock, rap, pop or country

KevShmev · January 23, 2012, 10:34:23 AM

Artists are almost never awarded or even nominated for their best work, with any awards show.

Al Pacino won his only Oscar for Scent of a Woman, not for Godfather I or II.

U2 won a Grammy for Album of the Year for How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, but not for Achtung Baby.

Martin Scorsese's only Best Director Oscar is for The Departed, not Goodfellas or Raging Bull.

Shall I go on?

7StringedBeast · January 23, 2012, 10:34:38 AM

Well I mean, you wouldn't expect a Grammy for BCSL or SC would you? They weren't near popular enough at the time 8V came out.

BlobVanDam · January 23, 2012, 10:46:13 AM

Quote from: 7StringedBeast on January 23, 2012, 10:34:38 AM
Well I mean, you wouldn't expect a Grammy for BCSL or SC would you?

I wouldn't have expected it any less with BCASL than with ADTOE. BCASL even debuted higher on the Billboard charts.

Nekov · January 23, 2012, 10:55:21 AM

Quote from: 7StringedBeast on January 23, 2012, 10:34:38 AM
Well I mean, you wouldn't expect a Grammy for BCSL or SC would you?

Not the albums themselves, but I could have expected it with Wither or Forsaken since those two songs are closer to the mainstream sound and length than OTBOA is.

7StringedBeast · January 23, 2012, 11:00:48 AM

Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 23, 2012, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: 7StringedBeast on January 23, 2012, 10:34:38 AM
Well I mean, you wouldn't expect a Grammy for BCSL or SC would you?

I wouldn't have expected it any less with BCASL than with ADTOE. BCASL even debuted higher on the Billboard charts.

Good point actually. I was just talking about the quality though just because I think BCSL is way worse than the current album.s

theseoafs · January 23, 2012, 12:05:37 PM

Any nomination DT could get at this point is completely deserved and woefully belated. If the fact that DT was nominated bothers you because you prefer their other albums, you are silly.

chwik · January 23, 2012, 12:18:22 PM

Quote from: Vivace on January 23, 2012, 09:04:23 AM
Dream Theater produces their best disk in over a decade and sells out concerts and it's annoying they got nominated?! From my point of view it makes perfect sense and it's about time and well deserved.

This

WildeSilas · January 23, 2012, 03:10:15 PM

I'm not such much annoyed with the nomination as I am a bit confused over the band's elation with the nomination. They certainly deserve the recognition, but they also have to realize how much of a joke the Grammy's are too, and I would think view them much the same as the bulk of prog-fans out there, who's music has gone unrecognized for so long by the Grammy's. I guess in their situation I'd react much the same way, and I don't think any of us want to see them act ungrateful or blow it off. At the same time their enthusiasm for it makes me a bit uncomfortable, almost like they're giving credence to an irrelevant award. Hopefully it translates into more record sales no matter how it turns out.

Aythesryche · January 23, 2012, 03:16:54 PM

Quote from: WildeSilas on January 23, 2012, 03:10:15 PM
I'm not such much annoyed with the nomination as I am a bit confused over the band's elation with the nomination. They certainly deserve the recognition, but they also have to realize how much of a joke the Grammy's are too, and I would think view them much the same as the bulk of prog-fans out there, who's music has gone unrecognized for so long by the Grammy's. I guess in their situation I'd react much the same way, and I don't think any of us want to see them act ungrateful or blow it off. At the same time their enthusiasm for it makes me a bit uncomfortable, almost like they're giving credence to an irrelevant award. Hopefully it translates into more record sales no matter how it turns out.

This is probably mostly due to the fact that you haven't been nominated for a Grammy for anything you've done and you can't possibly fathom how it feels to attain this. Please don't take this in a hostile way, as it's not meant that way. What's more, it's still recognition regardless of the type and the members of Dream Theater aren't as narrowly polarized as some music critics that are stuck on specific types of music. It's only irrelevant to you because of your perspective. If anything, in my opinion based on the facts, this can only lead to more good things for the band.

Jay.Ess · January 23, 2012, 03:44:06 PM

I think On The Backs of Angels is a DT masterpiece. The way the chord progressions are structured, the melodies in the solos/vocals, even the lyrics are not bad. It's a very well thought out song and IMO deserves all the accolades it gets. The nomination might seem a little random in the sense that it wasn't a huge song (in terms of airplay, etc), but I'm stoked to see DT receiving attention.

orcus116 · January 23, 2012, 03:55:23 PM

Quote from: TL on January 23, 2012, 08:24:07 AM
Quote from: Nekov on January 23, 2012, 07:48:45 AM
+1

I think if all the MP drama had not happened, DT wouldn't have been nominated.
Do you actually think the Grammy people care about that, or are even aware of it?

Pretty much this.

ResultsMayVary · January 23, 2012, 03:56:45 PM

The Grammys suck, who cares, etc.

Be happy for the band. No reason to bitch about why the past material hasn't received a nomination.

Zook · January 23, 2012, 04:04:11 PM

Quote from: ResultsMayVary on January 23, 2012, 03:56:45 PM
The Grammys suck, who cares, etc.

Be happy for the band. No reason to bitch about why the past material hasn't received a nomination.

It's Ytse we're talking about.

ResultsMayVary · January 23, 2012, 04:06:37 PM

Quote from: Zook on January 23, 2012, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: ResultsMayVary on January 23, 2012, 03:56:45 PM
The Grammys suck, who cares, etc.

Be happy for the band. No reason to bitch about why the past material hasn't received a nomination.

It's Ytse we're talking about.

Well, it's the fucking Grammy's.

No offense Ytse, but take a chill pill, buddy.

YtseBitsySpider · January 23, 2012, 05:38:31 PM

Im well chilled.
Im just sayin.
Anything from Images and Words?....No Grammy.
This disc? With this drummer?
You're right the Grammy's are a joke.
And
You other people are right...it's an amazing validation of their work.

but seems kind of hollow for this cd.

i hope they win.

I'll say this too, I'm not much of a fan of Portnoy, but this stinks for him. Big time.

Zook · January 23, 2012, 06:03:04 PM

Oh you have something against Mangini. Now it all makes sense.

Pinga · January 23, 2012, 07:04:55 PM

I honestly thought OP was being sarcastic, or that maybe this was a post from MP.com.

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