Red - Feed The Machine vs. DT - BMU, BMD

[kirksnosehair]

Look at the poll results, people.

Just look.

https://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2733727.aspx

[Mladen]

Yeah, I'm also looking forward to hearing Flying colors, it really has a lot of potential considering how it has been described. I think most of the ''none of them'' voters are just a bunch of trolls.

[integralbirth]

Courtesy of kirksnosehair:

Look at the poll results! Troll that poll and we'll all have some good fun! muthafukkin LOL Mike Portnoy

Unfortunately, he's in serious denial about the fact that he's a GIGANTIC FUCKING CUNT

So, the only thing these poll results will show him is the world is out to get him and he's a victim.

I hope he's enjoying the feeling of the collective "fans" manpoles being shoved violently up his fucking manpussy

https://www.fiveeightforums.com/threads/lol-mike-portnoy.87074/page-102

[Mladen]

Now wait a minute, man, that's not cool. I seriously doubt any of you will skip Flying colors.

I'm confused about what's been going on, but I'd like to try and stay classy, the way the guys in the band are. Yeah, we all have feelings, and we're all sad and disappointed with certain things Mike has done, but what can we do? The best we can do is remember the good times. Just today I watched those stage and backstage tours from Chaos in motion DVD - now that's Mike Portnoy, right there. 

[hefdaddy42]

Courtesy of kirksnosehair:

Look at the poll results! Troll that poll and we'll all have some good fun! muthafukkin LOL Mike Portnoy

Unfortunately, he's in serious denial about the fact that he's a GIGANTIC FUCKING CUNT

So, the only thing these poll results will show him is the world is out to get him and he's a victim.

I hope he's enjoying the feeling of the collective "fans" manpoles being shoved violently up his fucking manpussy

https://www.fiveeightforums.com/threads/lol-mike-portnoy.87074/page-102

Two things:

#1 - knh, is that really you?  That doesn't seem anything like the way you present yourself here.  That's not cool, man.

#2 - integralbirth, at the same time, it's not cool for your only two posts here to be slagging another member.  You've never contributed to the forum before; if this is the only kind of thing you have to contribute, please don't.

[integralbirth]

Sorry if my posts offended you.

I've been a LONG time lurker here, but I just felt compelled to share my opinion on this matter. I don't think my posts are "slagging" anyone. KNH has made two posts asking us insistently to "just look at the poll" so I just wanted to express that I looked at the poll and it is meaningless. Meaningless because he is clearly orchestrating some sort of group activity to skew the results just to offend someone on their own website.

If simply pointing out the truth in a respectful way offends people here, then, fuck it, I'll guess I'll go back to lurking.

[VioletS16]

  It seems like every time I think things have settled down, something happens, and (I say with great respect), it always seems to be coming from MP.

[emindead]

Typical Nosehair.

[nobloodyname]

#1 - knh, is that really you?  That doesn't seem anything like the way you present yourself here.  That's not cool, man.

#2 - integralbirth, at the same time, it's not cool for your only two posts here to be slagging another member.  You've never contributed to the forum before; if this is the only kind of thing you have to contribute, please don't.

Re #1, it's nothing like the way he conducted himself at MP.com for years, either. Quite the eye opener, this.

Re #2, given the context, I thought integralbirth was well within his rights to make the point he did.

[hefdaddy42]

I'm not offended.  And I don't care what happened before at some other site.  I am only mildly interested in what is happening at any other sites now.

I am getting really tired of fucking drama around here.  There is enough real shit (like MP mouthing off) that I don't need any fake shit to deal with (like trying to manipulate a stupid poll, or the calling out of said manipulation). 

No offense, of course.  Everyone have a nice fucking day.

[dodido253]

Check out Reny Petrucci comment ... its sums up the thread :
https://www.formspring.me/Renypetrucci/q/272084933122472376

Whats your dad think about MP taking bad about ADTOE ("Check out the first song on JP's fav album of the year WOW, the arrangement and orchestration sounds awfully familiar!! Surely it must be an intentional "nugget" for the fans...I just have to laugh")
someone asked 13 hours ago

Reny Petrucci :

He's just jealous that they got nominated for a grammy after he left.
7 hours ago

[MykeHavoc]

Regardless of trolling, the poll result instantly made me burst out laughing.

[sherms]

So what I've gleaned from this is that now that MP's out of the band and has been for a while, he feels that he can comment on DT's music the way he did as an impartial observer/listener/fan in the same way that any other fan might.
The fact is, given who MP is in relation to the band and his history with them, his opinion of the band's recent output tends to carry more public weight than your average forumer.
Even if he doesn't intend it as a potshot at the band, it's so easily interpreted as that because he was such a big part of DT for so many years, and because he left under rather ugly circumstances. If anybody else said "wow, This Band's song "X" sounds exactly like DT's song "Y" it's not going to be interpreted as a "serious accusation of plagiarism." But when Mike Portnoy does, it is. It's been a while, he probably doesn't harbor hard feelings toward the band, but feels far enough removed from DT that he can publicly say stuff like this and not have it be a huge deal. The rest of the world still very much associates MP with DT, so the end result of all this is that we all still care too much about what Mike Portnoy posts on his forum.

A friend of mine close to members of DT tells me that MP recently sent the whole band an e-mail apologizing for all the mud-slinging and congratulating them on the Grammy nomination.

[FlyingBIZKIT]

So much drama.

[champbassist]

Utterly preposterous that anybody would think that BMU, BMD is a rip off of this song. Marginal structural similarities. Never Enough was much much closer to Stockholm Syndrome than BMU, BMD is to Feed The Machine.

And MP, please stop hating on DT with such unabashed vengeance already. You're losing the respect of DT fans who support you.

[Progmetty]

Ouch @ the poll results, that's gotta hurt.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

just when through all this shit.

lol Porney.

[bosk1]

The fact is, given who MP is in relation to the band and his history with them, his opinion of the band's recent output tends to carry more public weight than your average forumer.
Even if he doesn't intend it as a potshot at the band, it's so easily interpreted as that because he was such a big part of DT for so many years, and because he left under rather ugly circumstances. If anybody else said "wow, This Band's song "X" sounds exactly like DT's song "Y" it's not going to be interpreted as a "serious accusation of plagiarism." But when Mike Portnoy does, it is.

Sherm, I get what you are saying, but you are also missing the point.

First off, he didn't just say "song X sounds exactly like song Y."  He said it is plagiarism.  He used that word.  And that is a very serious accusation.

Second, and perhaps why a lot of people are finding what he said so objectionable, what he said is outright hypocritical because the band did the exact same thing when he was with them, and he jumped all over anyone who dared say they were copying, borrowing, or whatever other term you want to use.  Before, he actively incorporated elements of others' music and shouted  down fans how objected.  Now, he is calling the same thing plariarism.  As much as I think ALL members of DT, past and present, need to be generally respected on this site, there is no other way to describe his statements than to say he is being a hypocrite. 

[theseoafs]

A couple things. First of all:

I don't blame the guy for being upset about the DT situation at all. It's justified. But his actions in response to it are totally not. Don't they say the best "revenge" is to live well? He's got a ton of new music coming out. Let that speak for itself, instead of continuing to burn bridges to the point where they look like the aftermath of the ADTOE cover.

Blob, this was genius. 

Second: this is the first I've heard of any "inspiration corner". What does that refer to, exactly?

Finally, the poll mentioned on the last couple pages has been removed (the link no longer functions, anyway). Would anyone who saw it care to tell the rest of us what it was?

[ehra]

The poll about which MP project you're most excited about. A little less than half of the votes were for "none at all." There was some other project I can't remember the name of that had most of the remaining votes, and a few spread out between the rest.

[chrisbDTM]

he certainly makes it very hard for me to like him. which is sad cause he was the original drummer for my favorite band. welp, whatever. viva mike mangini

[Zydar]

Where do I find that smiley eating popcorn thingy ?

[?]

I thought MP had moved on already? Not very mature behavior...

[a51502112]

I thought MP had moved on already? Not very mature behavior...

Yup. "Seize the day" indeed.

[Bertielee]

I thought MP had moved on already? Not very mature behavior...

Yup. "Seize the day" indeed.

Yep, but remember that there are negociations as to how much money he will get after having left the band and we don't know if they turn in his favor. It may explain part of his reaction. But his attitude is downward aggressive : the word "plagiarism" in the mouth of a professional musician has a lot of weight and I'm convinced MP did it on purpose : who knows, maybe he's trying to have the guys face a trial and have them lose money, who knows? (OK, it may be far-fetched but you see my point...).

B.Lee

[ZKX-2099]

maybe he's trying to have the guys face a trial and have them lose money, who knows?

I think that would be that "one thing" he could do to really ignite the DT fans to rage hard...

And Petrucci would still be all "hey check out this riff I just wrote."

[Bertielee]

maybe he's trying to have the guys face a trial and have them lose money, who knows?

I think that would be that "one thing" he could do to really ignite the DT fans to rage hard...

And Petrucci would still be all "hey check out this riff I just wrote."

Yeah, the guys are incredible in the whole situation! And they act in the best possible manner : say nothing and wait for things to calm down. I know why I love them so much!

B.Lee

[Nekov]

Check out Reny Petrucci comment ... its sums up the thread :
https://www.formspring.me/Renypetrucci/q/272084933122472376

Whats your dad think about MP taking bad about ADTOE ("Check out the first song on JP's fav album of the year WOW, the arrangement and orchestration sounds awfully familiar!! Surely it must be an intentional "nugget" for the fans...I just have to laugh")
someone asked 13 hours ago

Reny Petrucci :

He's just jealous that they got nominated for a grammy after he left.
7 hours ago

Maybe MP is just trying to generate controversy around DT to boost their chances of winning the grammy...

[snapple]

Is he our batman?

[Nekov]

[johncal]

Alright, after listening to this song a few times, it seems obvious to me that the song was copied to a large extent.

That being said, the fact that JP thought that this song was so awesome that he decided to to re-do it for ADTOE is a great thank you and tribute to RED. A christian band that JP says is his favorite album of the year. The guys from RED have to be thrilled. I'm thrilled for RED and DT both for this and see nothing wrong with it at all.

I don't think if JP was "just" ripping off the song, he would have mentioned it was his favorite album of the year so we would all go and listen to it and "hear the theft". He believes in the band and I don't think he could care less if it sounds similar. Maybe a few here will go listen to the album and hear the greater message within. A message all of us would benefit from.

I'm not bothered that the songs sound similar, but I am very happy to hear RED's new album.

P.S. I'm proud of my Christianity and am glad to know that the leader of DT listens to music with a good message. Obviously that positively influences DT's music. A big step up from the "devil horns" of most metal music IMO.

[ZKX-2099]

Has the band Red said anything about all this yet?

[Rob24]

Damn, I don't even really see the "rip-off" here. And I'm one of the persons who pointed out similarities in older songs that were much more in-your-face for me and that nobody agreed to. I read all those posts and thought it must be really blatantly obvious and this is just a little bit! Or did I miss something?

I mean, check out this! https://www.metacafe.com/watch/sy-1457695576/michael_jackson_give_in_to_me_official_music_video/ Endless Sacrifice anyone? Not mentioning that the overall structure is very similar to Sanitarium... But I don't care about that. That was always a part of Dream Theater for me.

[KevShmev]

Has the band Red said anything about all this yet?

Why would they?  As much as certain persons might want it to be a story, it really isn't one.  DT has done this for years (and many of them are far more obvious that this one, which is sketchy at best), and I can't recall any band they borrowed from before ever saying anything about it.

[ZKX-2099]

Just curious is all...