Mike Portnoy on That Metal Show

[JayOctavarium]

I have't watched the interview (shame on me I forgot to set a recording on my DVR)... and I really don't give a rat's ass about Eddie "leaking" Mangini...  I mean... come on it is in the past. Why the hell has this turned into an all out war in this thread?

oh and someone please tell us WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN IPOD??? WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT A FREAKING IPOD??? It is bugging me. lol

[lithium112]

And there you accused people, in general, on this forum of saying ET and MP were conspiring to ruin DTs announcement when no one made a statement like that, let alone one that could be consider ballpark-related. Cut the bullshit.

Btw, I just want to add - there were several people in the leak thread who considered that Eddie Trunk's "source" might be MP and that the fact that they were such close friends meant that his leak wasn't really an "accident" or something. So yeah, just pointing it out for the sake of factual information prevailing. For the record though, I think those accusations are completely ridiculous.

[Nofire]

I have't watched the interview (shame on me I forgot to set a recording on my DVR)... and I really don't give a rat's ass about Eddie "leaking" Mangini...  I mean... come on it is in the past. Why the hell has this turned into an all out war in this thread?

oh and someone please tell us WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN IPOD??? WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT A FREAKING IPOD??? It is bugging me. lol

This was written earlier in the thread.

"MP said on the show that one of the turning points for him was when they were chilling with these dudes (another band i think) and someone in the band, whose name went unmentioned, showed up with earphones in. whoever this DT member was did not take them out and proceeded to sit there listening to music, acting sort of aloof."

You should maybe read the thread before you start yelling about missing information 

[JayOctavarium]

I skimmed through it but I was distracted by all the BS going on in this thread.  Lol

[ariich]

Tis BOOLsheet, you've been warned before more than once about your posting style and your apparent inability to be respectful and stay on topic, so I don't know which part of your brain thought it was a good idea to troll this thread all day.

Consider this your last warning on the matter, next time you'll be given a week off.

[johncal]

Mike is a decent drummer and all, but he's far from the best. That list should've included Mangini if they're putting Portnoy, but we all know why that didn't happen. I guess that's why he thinks he's never in the wrong; the people that surround him exaggerately praise every single thing that he does.

Um look at how many drummer awards the guy has won over the years. It's not like he has a close circle of friends convincing him he's better than he deserves to think. He has plenty of other awards to back it up. Why does everyone have to spin everything into drama FFS?

Awards aren't everything. There are a few drummers out there who are better players with less awards.

True. These are popularity contests and you have to be entered to win. Look at miss Universe and Miss America contests. There are more beautiful women walking down the street in your local town every day. And look at these guitarists that do DT covers. These guys are nobody's, playing in their basements, but they can play the JP parts. Yeah, they might not have the song writing ability or the other qualities that would make them stars, but maybe they do, who knows, and so much is subjective and being in the right place at the right time. MM's a good example. Unless you're really into Druming or a couple of the things he did, you'd never know who he was. Hardly a household name, and if he was already with another band most of us still wouldn't have known who he was. Yet he's the better drummer ( at least to our own internal poll results).

[dbrooks22]

For those that missed it, it looks like it's airing again this morning at 11am EST

[ouMD]

I have't watched the interview (shame on me I forgot to set a recording on my DVR)... and I really don't give a rat's ass about Eddie "leaking" Mangini...  I mean... come on it is in the past. Why the hell has this turned into an all out war in this thread?

oh and someone please tell us WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN IPOD??? WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT A FREAKING IPOD??? It is bugging me. lol

This was written earlier in the thread.

"MP said on the show that one of the turning points for him was when they were chilling with these dudes (another band i think) and someone in the band, whose name went unmentioned, showed up with earphones in. whoever this DT member was did not take them out and proceeded to sit there listening to music, acting sort of aloof."

You should maybe read the thread before you start yelling about missing information 

This isn't completely true. What Mike said was that there were 2 other circumstances in the past year that helped with his thoughts that something was off with his "marriage" to a "few of the guys" in the band.

1. He noticed during a night out with all of his friends (Trunk, the guys from TMS, Jericho, the guys from Anthrax, etc) that none of the guys from DT were with him and knew nothing about that part of his life. He felt like he had this whole other circle of friends or life that the guys in DT knew nothing about

2. On the last night of the last DT tour everyone got together (band, crew, etc) for a celebration dinner and a member of the band, "that will go unnamed", came in with his headphones on and decided to not socialize with anyone the ENTIRE evening

These two experiences contributed to disaffection with the DT world, or family. I think these were interesting thoughts, and I too, wonder who it was. I can assume it was Myung, but would that have been a really surprising thing for him to do?

[farsight]

These two experiences contributed to disaffection with the DT world, or family. I think these were interesting thoughts, and I too, wonder who it was. I can assume it was Myung, but would that have been a really surprising thing for him to do?

I'm thinking it's Kevin Moore

[Millais]

just read this... I think ariich confirmed what I was thinking about Tis BOOLsheet with:

apparent inability to be respectful and stay on topic

Anyway, any videos of this iPod situation? would love to see it and hear a bit more about it.

[Nofire]

I have't watched the interview (shame on me I forgot to set a recording on my DVR)... and I really don't give a rat's ass about Eddie "leaking" Mangini...  I mean... come on it is in the past. Why the hell has this turned into an all out war in this thread?

oh and someone please tell us WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN IPOD??? WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT A FREAKING IPOD??? It is bugging me. lol

This was written earlier in the thread.

"MP said on the show that one of the turning points for him was when they were chilling with these dudes (another band i think) and someone in the band, whose name went unmentioned, showed up with earphones in. whoever this DT member was did not take them out and proceeded to sit there listening to music, acting sort of aloof."

You should maybe read the thread before you start yelling about missing information 

This isn't completely true. What Mike said was that there were 2 other circumstances in the past year that helped with his thoughts that something was off with his "marriage" to a "few of the guys" in the band.

1. He noticed during a night out with all of his friends (Trunk, the guys from TMS, Jericho, the guys from Anthrax, etc) that none of the guys from DT were with him and knew nothing about that part of his life. He felt like he had this whole other circle of friends or life that the guys in DT knew nothing about

2. On the last night of the last DT tour everyone got together (band, crew, etc) for a celebration dinner and a member of the band, "that will go unnamed", came in with his headphones on and decided to not socialize with anyone the ENTIRE evening

These two experiences contributed to disaffection with the DT world, or family. I think these were interesting thoughts, and I too, wonder who it was. I can assume it was Myung, but would that have been a really surprising thing for him to do?

I was just quoting what was stated earlier in the thread. Since I haven't seeen the show myself, I haven't heard what MP himself said. Sorry for not being clear on that, and thanks for clearing that out. I was also really interested in what the iPod story was 

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

lol this thread sucks

[KevShmev]

1. He noticed during a night out with all of his friends (Trunk, the guys from TMS, Jericho, the guys from Anthrax, etc) that none of the guys from DT were with him and knew nothing about that part of his life. He felt like he had this whole other circle of friends or life that the guys in DT knew nothing about

That sounds rather strange.  Since when do friends or co-workers have to know everyone you know?  I have plenty of friends who have friends I have never met or know very little about.  I am pretty sure that is normal (except for maybe in high school where circle of friends are rather large because of cliques and whatnot).

[ariich]

1. He noticed during a night out with all of his friends (Trunk, the guys from TMS, Jericho, the guys from Anthrax, etc) that none of the guys from DT were with him and knew nothing about that part of his life. He felt like he had this whole other circle of friends or life that the guys in DT knew nothing about

That sounds rather strange.  Since when do friends or co-workers have to know everyone you know?  I have plenty of friends who have friends I have never met or know very little about.  I am pretty sure that is normal (except for maybe in high school where circle of friends are rather large because of cliques and whatnot).

Well, I kind of feel the same way, but I've never experienced being in a band for 25 years. I don't think anything I've experienced in work and employment is remotely comparable, so it's not really my place to judge.

[ZirconBlue]

For those who missed it, VH-1 Classic does put up full episodes on their website at some point, usually a couple of days after the original air date.

[ResultsMayVary]

1. He noticed during a night out with all of his friends (Trunk, the guys from TMS, Jericho, the guys from Anthrax, etc) that none of the guys from DT were with him and knew nothing about that part of his life. He felt like he had this whole other circle of friends or life that the guys in DT knew nothing about

That sounds rather strange.  Since when do friends or co-workers have to know everyone you know?  I have plenty of friends who have friends I have never met or know very little about.  I am pretty sure that is normal (except for maybe in high school where circle of friends are rather large because of cliques and whatnot).

You're right. MP shouldn't have been mad about this, honestly.

[WildeSilas]

As has been stated elsewhere, it's not hard to empathize with any DT member who was anti-social, given the way MP seemed to conduct himself in recent years. Especially someone like JM whose passive personality does not mesh well with MP's yelling and carrying on. I can totally see him or JR crawling into their shells any time they had to socialize together.

[DC PHAROAH]

I watched this episode of That Metal Show, anxious to see what MP would have to say. To me the circle of friends thing he talked about seems quite obvious that he and the rest of DT had grown in two completely different directions. The iPod thing would have bugged me too. But, I would think as a band of friends/family, the solution would have been to maybe sit down as friends/family and discuss things and see where the problems lie to work things out to make everbody happy and feel involved again. Personally these two instances don't create enough of a solid ground to leave the band that he time and time again calls his baby. Also, MP's history, since this whole thing began, seeming to be the one whose story keeps changing, makes it hard for me to believe the whole truth of the iPod thing. I definitley do not believe that he only stated that he wanted a year or so off. With all that being said, I did feel a bit sorry for him. To me, he looked very sad talking about the whole thing. Once again, I think he needs to take the high road in these interviews and just not go on with the behind the scenes drama. To me, this seems to be the way JP does in interviews. I think JP is so very much more respectful to MP, DT and the fans about all of this. MP should learn from "The Bear's" actions.

[Cranky]

As has been stated elsewhere, it's not hard to empathize with any DT member who was anti-social, given the way MP seemed to conduct himself in recent years. Especially someone like JM whose passive personality does not mesh well with MP's yelling and carrying on. I can totally see him or JR crawling into their shells any time they had to socialize together.

Yeah, exactly.
By saying "I will not mention any names" and then perfectly describing the most reclusive member in Dream Theater,
he basically said... John Myung did this and I didn't like it. (or maybe even Jordan Rudess, but I am assuming it was John Myung he was referring to)

[wasteland]

As has been stated elsewhere, it's not hard to empathize with any DT member who was anti-social, given the way MP seemed to conduct himself in recent years. Especially someone like JM whose passive personality does not mesh well with MP's yelling and carrying on. I can totally see him or JR crawling into their shells any time they had to socialize together.

Yeah, exactly.
By saying "I will not mention any names" and then perfectly describing the most reclusive member in Dream Theater,
he basically said... John Myung did this and I didn't like it. (or maybe even Jordan Rudess, but I am assuming it was John Myung he was referring to)

I don't think it could have been JR. He hardly wastes any occasion to socialize, as far as I know. He has always shown us pictures of his techs, light eingineers etc., why would he not be willing to socialize in a crew party? (unless he had some personal issues that night that we really don't need to know and that may justify his reclusive behaviour in that circumstance)

[Cranky]

As has been stated elsewhere, it's not hard to empathize with any DT member who was anti-social, given the way MP seemed to conduct himself in recent years. Especially someone like JM whose passive personality does not mesh well with MP's yelling and carrying on. I can totally see him or JR crawling into their shells any time they had to socialize together.

Yeah, exactly.
By saying "I will not mention any names" and then perfectly describing the most reclusive member in Dream Theater,
he basically said... John Myung did this and I didn't like it. (or maybe even Jordan Rudess, but I am assuming it was John Myung he was referring to)

I don't think it could have been JR. He hardly wastes any occasion to socialize, as far as I know. He has always shown us pictures of his techs, light eingineers etc., why would he not be willing to socialize in a crew party? (unless he had some personal issues that night that we really don't need to know and that may justify his reclusive behaviour in that circumstance)

Yeah, I agree, so the point still stands.
I don't think MP should have mentioned this "ordeal" at all(The fact that it could even be considered a big deal is debatable) because not only are their 5 other people in the band to make the assumption about who he was referring to, but it is just plain-as-day-obvious that he was talking about John Myung.

This is probably going to end up on Blabbermouth.com... out of context of course.

[Jamesman42]

1. He noticed during a night out with all of his friends (Trunk, the guys from TMS, Jericho, the guys from Anthrax, etc) that none of the guys from DT were with him and knew nothing about that part of his life. He felt like he had this whole other circle of friends or life that the guys in DT knew nothing about

That sounds rather strange.  Since when do friends or co-workers have to know everyone you know?  I have plenty of friends who have friends I have never met or know very little about.  I am pretty sure that is normal (except for maybe in high school where circle of friends are rather large because of cliques and whatnot).

Well, I kind of feel the same way, but I've never experienced being in a band for 25 years. I don't think anything I've experienced in work and employment is remotely comparable, so it's not really my place to judge.

I thought it was more "Wow, my preferences for music and maybe even my lifestyle has changed much differently from the other DT guys...we're now different people."

[ResultsMayVary]

Even though I don't agree with the comment and the fact MP brought it up, this episode was recorded three months ago when MP was still making several comments that weren't exactly friendly. He has handled himself well in the last few weeks and I respect him for that. Now only if we can get an ADTOE review from him (it's not going to happen).

[Bertielee]

Yes, a thread was started with news that dated back to 3 months ago! Geez, isn't there enough things to speak about?

B.Lee

[TheGreatPretender]

I thought it was more "Wow, my preferences for music and maybe even my lifestyle has changed much differently from the other DT guys...we're now different people."

Not disagreeing with you there, but if that's honestly what he thought, I really can't imagine how a hiatus would have done them well. If anything, they would've grown further apart and this grand "Reunion" he spoke of probably would've just ended up being a tour and if they DID try to write another album, their tasted would've probably been so different at that point that DT would just become another one of those bands that reunited and went nowhere.

[ResultsMayVary]

Yes, a thread was started with news that dated back to 3 months ago! Geez, isn't there enough things to speak about?

B.Lee

Well, the thread was mostly to discuss the episode, but a few questionable comments changed that. I'm not a fan of the recent MP and his comments, but those comments were a few months ago. Now if he came here and responded to criticism and made more questionable comments, then that would be a different story.

[ResultsMayVary]

I thought it was more "Wow, my preferences for music and maybe even my lifestyle has changed much differently from the other DT guys...we're now different people."

Not disagreeing with you there, but if that's honestly what he thought, I really can't imagine how a hiatus would have done them well. If anything, they would've grown further apart and this grand "Reunion" he spoke of probably would've just ended up being a tour and if they DID try to write another album, their tasted would've probably been so different at that point that DT would just become another one of those bands that reunited and went nowhere.

Very good point.

[darkshade]

It has to have been John Myung. The only other person MP has complained about in the last year and a half is JLB, and I doubt it was him wih the iPod.

[Jamesman42]

It has to have been John Myung. The only other person MP has complained about in the last year and a half is JLB, and I doubt it was him wih the iPod.

Are you sure?

[Cranky]

It has to have been John Myung. The only other person MP has complained about in the last year and a half is JLB, and I doubt it was him wih the iPod.

Are you sure?

[ResultsMayVary]

It has to have been John Myung. The only other person MP has complained about in the last year and a half is JLB, and I doubt it was him wih the iPod.

Are you sure?

Well played, Jamesman. Well played.

[lithium112]

It has to have been John Myung. The only other person MP has complained about in the last year and a half is JLB, and I doubt it was him wih the iPod.

Are you sure?

[reneranucci]

If MP thought it was strange/uncomfortable that a band member showed up and didn't want to socialize, it is possible that it could have been other than JM, since otherwise that behavior wouldn't have been surprising at all  I wouldn't ruled out JR or JLB. In any case, if he didn't like how the band was working together, him quitting was a very good (and very brave) decision. I respect him for that.

And seriously, did anybody doubt that it was Mangini? I remember being completely convinced it was him a couple of weeks before ET's tweet (around 3 weeks before the videos were shown if I'm not mistaken). His audition was confirmed very early, he quit his job at Berklee without announcing any other job that could replace that, all the other drummers we knew auditioned were doing lots of stuff except for him, he seemed to fit the band very well even before we watched the auditions, all rumors pointed out to him, everybody who claimed to have inside knowledge said it was him etc. Eddie Trunk didn't do anything bad by tweeting that, he wasn't the first or only person to say it was Mangini, it didn't have any harmful effects as far as I can tell, but people still insult him for doing that.

[TheGreatPretender]

And seriously, did anybody doubt that it was Mangini? I remember being completely convinced it was him a couple of weeks before ET's tweet (around 3 weeks before the videos were shown if I'm not mistaken). His audition was confirmed very early, he quit his job at Berklee without announcing any other job that could replace that and was not DT, all the other drummers we knew auditioned were doing lots of stuff except for him, he seemed to fit the band very well even before we watched the auditions, all rumors pointed out to him, everybody who claimed to have inside knowledge said it was him etc. Eddie Trunk didn't do anything bad by tweeting that, it didn't have any harmful effects as far as I can tell, but people still insult him for doing that.

Well, you're assuming that just because you knew all those things that everyone else did too. At the time of the documentary, I didn't know that MM was gonna win, I considered it a distinct possibility that he might not win and I knew NOTHING about any of the other drummers, other than what has been revealed in the documentary. So if someone told me right before the documentary, "I heard it's that guy," I would've been pissed, because they would've  completely spoiled the documentary for me and the official reveal.

[reneranucci]

And seriously, did anybody doubt that it was Mangini? I remember being completely convinced it was him a couple of weeks before ET's tweet (around 3 weeks before the videos were shown if I'm not mistaken). His audition was confirmed very early, he quit his job at Berklee without announcing any other job that could replace that and was not DT, all the other drummers we knew auditioned were doing lots of stuff except for him, he seemed to fit the band very well even before we watched the auditions, all rumors pointed out to him, everybody who claimed to have inside knowledge said it was him etc. Eddie Trunk didn't do anything bad by tweeting that, it didn't have any harmful effects as far as I can tell, but people still insult him for doing that.

Well, you're assuming that just because you knew all those things that everyone else did too. At the time of the documentary, I didn't know that MM was gonna win, I considered it a distinct possibility that he might not win and I knew NOTHING about any of the other drummers, other than what has been revealed in the documentary. So if someone told me right before the documentary, "I heard it's that guy," I would've been pissed, because they would've  completely spoiled the documentary for me and the official reveal.

You're right, not everybody knew all those things. But there were plenty of rumors floating around at the time, and Eddie's announcement was just another one, by the time he posted it, it didn't say anything new to the people who were following all the news and gathering information trying to guess who the new drummer was.