Kansas - Magnum Opus

johncal · September 30, 2011, 10:12:10 AM

Tell me if I'm wrong, or is this DT EXACTLY 35 years ago? It's scarry...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dumOc5V_PcE

ZirconBlue · September 30, 2011, 10:14:10 AM

Quote from: johncal on September 30, 2011, 10:12:10 AM
Tell me if I'm wrong, or is this DT EXACTLY 35 years ago? It's scarry...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dumOc5V_PcE

Can't view the link right now, but there is a section of Magnum Opus that's very similar to part of Metropolis.

Nel_Annette · September 30, 2011, 10:14:51 AM

Heh, that's EXACTLY what I thought the first time I heard "Magnum Opus". Sounded just like a DT instrumental to me.

johncal · September 30, 2011, 10:16:42 AM

Refering to another post.... This is one EPIC song.

reneranucci · September 30, 2011, 10:18:51 AM

SDOIT is reminiscent of the ending of The Wall.

pogoowner · September 30, 2011, 10:19:50 AM

Magnum Opus in particular was a song that Kansas pieced together from a bunch of unrelated, leftover ideas, and Dream Theater have certainly been guilty of writing songs that seem that way.

johncal · September 30, 2011, 10:20:32 AM

Quote from: reneranucci on September 30, 2011, 10:18:51 AM
SDOIT is reminiscent of the ending of The Wall.

That's what got me digging into this..... that too. I couldn't believe when I heard it. I said holy crap, it's the same thing.

kirksnosehair · September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM

That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.

namgalsipsclar · September 30, 2011, 10:21:59 AM

Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.

I'd agree except Carry On Wayward son is an incredible song

pogoowner · September 30, 2011, 10:23:16 AM

Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.

Closet Chronicles would like a word with you.

johncal · September 30, 2011, 10:23:21 AM

Quote from: pogoowner on September 30, 2011, 10:19:50 AM
Magnum Opus in particular was a song that Kansas pieced together from a bunch of unrelated, leftover ideas, and Dream Theater have certainly been guilty of writing songs that seem that way.

Sounds to me like that pieced together "leftoverature" started something really, really good! Could this song have been the subconcious unknowing birth of prog metal? Let the debate begin.....

Podaar · September 30, 2011, 10:25:52 AM

Is it any wonder I instantly liked Dream Theater the first time I heard it? I grew up on Kansas and early heavy metal.

Freeze · September 30, 2011, 10:26:59 AM

I`ve been telling friends interested in DT to check out Kansas for years! "Magnum Opus" in particular seems like something DT could easily have done.

Orbert · September 30, 2011, 10:28:29 AM

Awesome track, and a great closer to my favorite Kansas album. The first five albums are all pretty solid.

j · September 30, 2011, 10:28:45 AM

Quote from: namgalsipsclar on September 30, 2011, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.
I'd agree except Carry On Wayward son is an incredible song

Quote from: pogoowner on September 30, 2011, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.
Closet Chronicles would like a word with you.

Miracles out of Nowhere.

-J

kirksnosehair · September 30, 2011, 10:31:03 AM

Quote from: pogoowner on September 30, 2011, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.
Closet Chronicles would like a word with you.

That's understandable. "Closet Chronicles" is certainly up there in the annals of greatness regarding Kansas' discography, but the very definition of "Magnum Opus" completely dope-slaps the rest of the catalog into submission.

(I kid, I kid, they're BOTH great!)

johncal · September 30, 2011, 10:32:17 AM

Quote from: namgalsipsclar on September 30, 2011, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.
I'd agree except Carry On Wayward son is an incredible song

Then you'd probably like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f252xDXro8

Jaq · September 30, 2011, 10:35:28 AM

I always have viewed Kansas, since they weren't afraid to have harder rocking guitars in their sound, to be one of the earliest influences on what wound up growing into progressive metal. Sure, Rush was the most obvious influence, but Kansas wasn't afraid to blend hard rock and progressive rock either. Amazes me how many prog fans I know who haven't heard Song For America or Masque. Kansas rocks

Jaffa · September 30, 2011, 10:35:48 AM

Quote from: johncal on September 30, 2011, 10:32:17 AM
Quote from: namgalsipsclar on September 30, 2011, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.
I'd agree except Carry On Wayward son is an incredible song

Then you'd probably like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f252xDXro8

I knew what it was without clicking it, but I clicked it an listened to it anyway.

KevShmev · September 30, 2011, 10:46:29 AM

Quote from: pogoowner on September 30, 2011, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.
Closet Chronicles would like a word with you.

Cheyenne Anthem would like a word with all of you.

The Letter M · September 30, 2011, 10:48:54 AM

Quote from: KevShmev on September 30, 2011, 10:46:29 AM
Quote from: pogoowner on September 30, 2011, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.
Closet Chronicles would like a word with you.

Cheyenne Anthem would like a word with all of you.

"Song For America" is looking down among all of you

...Just sayin'

-Marc.

kirksnosehair · September 30, 2011, 10:49:40 AM

Oh, man, I was just going to mention "Song For America"

johncal · September 30, 2011, 10:51:40 AM

All good songs but not as DT like as Magnum Opus.

Setlist Scotty · September 30, 2011, 11:10:28 AM

Quote from: pogoowner on September 30, 2011, 10:19:50 AM
Magnum Opus in particular was a song that Kansas pieced together from a bunch of unrelated, leftover ideas, and Dream Theater have certainly been guilty of writing songs that seem that way.

You may think some of them sound that way, but one song that was definitely pieced together from unrelated leftover ideas was Erotomania. Not sure if there were any others like that, tho I 'spose Raw Dog was too.

pogoowner · September 30, 2011, 11:12:45 AM

Speaking of DT-like Kansas songs, Lightning's Hand just came to mind as a possibility. It has some pretty intense instrumental sections and a bit more of a "metal" style than most of their work. It's also perhaps one of the most under-appreciated songs in their catalog. I hardly ever see it mentioned.

Orbert · September 30, 2011, 11:24:08 AM

I command... the lightning sand!
I command... the lightning sand!

Love the song, but it's always bugged me how he enunciates that one line, many times.

Pols Voice · September 30, 2011, 04:21:08 PM

Quote from: The Letter M on September 30, 2011, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on September 30, 2011, 10:46:29 AM
Quote from: pogoowner on September 30, 2011, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
That is the best song Kansas ever wrote.
Closet Chronicles would like a word with you.

Cheyenne Anthem would like a word with all of you.

"Song For America" is looking down among all of you

...Just sayin'

-Marc.

*Icarus - Borne on Wings of Steel approaches the podium*

Kansas rules (my second favorite band), and they definitely influenced DT. The most obvious for me is the SDOIT/The Wall connection.

WildeSilas · September 30, 2011, 04:27:41 PM

I've often wondered why DT doesn't cite Kansas as more of an influence. They like to say they're a cross between Metallica and Yes, but to me they sound more like a cross between Kansas and Iron Maiden...

AngelBack · September 30, 2011, 05:01:47 PM

Quote from: kirksnosehair on September 30, 2011, 10:49:40 AM
Oh, man, I was just going to mention "Song For America"

THIS 1000% Steve Walsh's vocals on Song For America are worth a couple hundred spins.

Infinite Cactus · September 30, 2011, 05:48:30 PM

Quote from: WildeSilas on September 30, 2011, 04:27:41 PM
I've often wondered why DT doesn't cite Kansas as more of an influence. They like to say they're a cross between Metallica and Yes, but to me they sound more like a cross between Kansas and Iron Maiden...

I seem to recall JP and MP talking about being big Kansas fans. I'm also pretty sure that they said that Chis Cintron had a more Steve Walsh voice and that they dug it. That is until LaBrie showed up.

Liberation · September 30, 2011, 07:06:12 PM

Quote from: pogoowner on September 30, 2011, 10:19:50 AM
Magnum Opus in particular was a song that Kansas pieced together from a bunch of unrelated, leftover ideas, and Dream Theater have certainly been guilty of writing songs that seem that way.

In which world? I've never been there.

hefdaddy42 · September 30, 2011, 07:18:26 PM

I still think The Wall is Kansas's best song, but all the others mentioned here are also fantastic.

Also, I'm kind of partial to Icarus II.

AngelBack · September 30, 2011, 07:20:09 PM

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on September 30, 2011, 07:18:26 PM
I still think The Wall is Kansas's best song, but all the others mentioned here are also fantastic.

Also, I'm kind of partial to Icarus II.

As a HUGE Kerry Livgren fan, The Wall is amazing on just about every level you can imagine.

E.S. · September 30, 2011, 07:46:07 PM

FINALLY some love for Kansas, one of the best prog bands ever, IMO. They have always been in the shadow of the others, and that's sad. Incredible musicians, and the songs are stronger than anything.

The Pinnacle, btw.

johncal · September 30, 2011, 07:49:52 PM

Quote from: E.S. on September 30, 2011, 07:46:07 PM
FINALLY some love for Kansas, one of the best prog bands ever, IMO. They have always been in the shadow of the others, and that's sad. Incredible musicians, and the songs are stronger than anything.

The Pinnacle, btw.

True, finally some love but alas we can't even agree how to love them

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