Update on the supposed legal issues regarding the DT/Portnoy split

[Aniland]

This is the internet. Everything is all of our business.

They could always take Portnoy songs and LaBrie can just wail and vocalize over where the lyrics go. I could go for that.

[jonny108]

Ugh, Mike, sorry pal, I've finished with you now and I'm taking the kids.  Mikey Mikey Mikey you have lost my respect.

[Adami]

Guys...GUYS.

"legal troubles" is vague. It doesn't equate to "MIKE IS STEALING THE NAME OF THE BAND AND TRYING TO MURDER THEM ALL!"

It is most likely rights issues to writing credits.




What if the band doesn't want to give Mike any royalties to anything? See? You can read anything into it.




Sorry if this was posted, between writing this and posting this, like 13 people posted.

[Jarlaxle]

Didn't think any more logs would be found, but this is a giant stump added to the fire.

I don't know what to say other then....None of my business.

Also, if true that means no ACOS.

I'm 110% fine with that, not only because I don't like the song, but just to get this whole saga over with.

[tri.ad]

I'd have liked Bridges in the Sky as an album title.

This. It sounds wonderful and really fitting as an album title. Plus, they could have spared themselves from those "Hurr ADTOE musta have something to do with MP lol" comments.

[Jarlaxle]

This is the internet. Everything is all of our business.

wut

[ReaPsTA]

Guys...GUYS.

"legal troubles" is vague. It doesn't equate to "MIKE IS STEALING THE NAME OF THE BAND AND TRYING TO MURDER THEM ALL!"

It is most likely rights issues to writing credits.

Dude, no.  The band's name was specifically mentioned.  We don't know if MP is trying to shut them down or anything, but it's not merely a songwriting credit/lyrics issue.

[robwebster]

I'd have liked Bridges in the Sky as an album title.

This. It sounds wonderful and really fitting as an album title. Plus, they could have spared themselves from those "Hurr ADTOE musta have something to do with MP lol" comments.

In fairness, I do prefer both titles to The Shaman's Trance, so I'm glad they both made the album in whatever form. I think this is the best combination.

[Aniland]

That's what I mean though about Rudess saying "It was a coincidence" when it was not. Now that something Rudess has said is proven to be untrue about it, people will probably see no reason to not assume that the album title has relation to the MP situation.

[Adami]

Guys...GUYS.

"legal troubles" is vague. It doesn't equate to "MIKE IS STEALING THE NAME OF THE BAND AND TRYING TO MURDER THEM ALL!"

It is most likely rights issues to writing credits.

Dude, no.  The band's name was specifically mentioned.  We don't know if MP is trying to shut them down or anything, but it's not merely a songwriting credit/lyrics issue.

The question asked about the name, but John said they own the name. I think it was his way of saying "Not the issue, but I'm not allowed to discuss it".

[farsight]

Yeah true. Surprised he didn't just say, "For reasons it would be best to not comment on, yes, we intentionally have omitted lyrics of Portnoy's from this tour." But eh. Rudess is a cool bro.

By saying what he said though, he saved face for Portnoy in a way, regardless of whether that was his intention or not . Well until now.

Dammit, rename the band to Dream_Theater, JP, you know, just like an email address.

[KevShmev]

Also, if true that means no ACOS.

Maybe, but there are plenty of really good DT songs with lyrics by someone other than Mike Portnoy that haven't gotten enough attention in the live sets in recent years, so maybe now they will get some face time, so to speak.  Yes, I am looking at Anna Lee, Hell's Kitchen and Lifting Shadows Off a Dream.

[millahh]

Ok, so what all  songs would we lose if MP lyrics are out:

ACOS
The Mirror
The entirety of the AA saga (though only TGP strikes me as "notable")
Take The Time
Half of 6DoiT
RTK
Home
Constant Motion
8vm
Strange Deja Vu
Burning my soul
Honor thy father
Just met me breathe
Never enough
New millenium


Of course, I couldn't have imagined them playing half of these songs anyway...

[PuffyPat]

I'm a huge MP fan, he really was what sold me on DT, but after this, I don't know if I can think of him the same way as I used to. He was my favorite drummer of all time, and when he left DT, I stopped listening to them. I didn't want to listen to the new music because it didn't have MP, and wasn't "True DT." I can't believe he's doing this. It's a disgrace to himself, and is just pushing whatever DT fans still liked him away. I want to still like him, but I don't know if I can anymore. I just don't know what else to say.

[Jarlaxle]

Also, if true that means no ACOS.

Maybe, but there are plenty of really good DT songs with lyrics by someone other than Mike Portnoy that haven't gotten enough attention in the live sets in recent years, so maybe now they will get some face time, so to speak.  Yes, I am looking at Anna Lee, Hell's Kitchen and Lifting Shadows Off a Dream.

OH GOD YES

[ElliottTamer]

Though I find it highly unlikely (not to say impossible) that Portnoy could legally take the name away from the band, that would not be the end of the universe. They could still be called Dream Theatre, or Theater of Dreams, or maybe even Nightmare Cinema (or is this possibly someone else's intellectual property?)...
I actually prefer A Dramatic Turn of Events as an album title.

[ReaPsTA]

The question asked about the name, but John said they own the name. I think it was his way of saying "Not the issue, but I'm not allowed to discuss it".

The way it came off, it sounded like the often used assertion of your side of the case in the media.  If the name wasn't under dispute, I think he would have directly said it because it had nothing to do with the lawsuit.

And if the name is safe, then that's good, but then MP is still suing DT for money, which is beyond weak.

[Sigz]

Wow.

[Adami]

I'd have no problem losing the following songs.

The Mirror
The entirety of the 12 Step saga
Take the Time
6DOIT
Constant Motion
8vm
Strange Deja Vu
Burning My Soul
Honor Thy Father
Just Let Me Breathe
Never Enough
New Millenium
The Best of Times.

Of course I'd be sad to never see ACOS or RTK live.

[millahh]

That's what I mean though about Rudess saying "It was a coincidence" when it was not. Now that something Rudess has said is proven to be untrue about it, people will probably see no reason to not assume that the album title has relation to the MP situation.

Dude...apples and oranges.

[kartmaze2]

New band name: "The Band Formerly Known as Dream Theater"  

[ReaPsTA]

Losing 8vm would be awful.

[Adami]

And if the name is safe, then that's good, but then MP is still suing DT for money, which is beyond weak.

This part is true.

[millahh]

The question asked about the name, but John said they own the name. I think it was his way of saying "Not the issue, but I'm not allowed to discuss it".

The way it came off, it sounded like the often used assertion of your side of the case in the media.  If the name wasn't under dispute, I think he would have directly said it because it had nothing to do with the lawsuit.

That's my interpretation as well.

[Aniland]

That's what I mean though about Rudess saying "It was a coincidence" when it was not. Now that something Rudess has said is proven to be untrue about it, people will probably see no reason to not assume that the album title has relation to the MP situation.

Dude...apples and oranges.

Only not at all

[robwebster]

I actually prefer A Dramatic Turn of Events as an album title.

I am very fond of it as a title. It's stark, clear, and engaging, and we would never have got it were the album called Bridges in the Sky, so it's the best net result. I like "Bridges in the Sky" as the beginning of a new era, though. Alongside the warm blue cover, it feels very optimistic. Onwards and upwards.

[Chrissalix]

There is little chance of DT changing their name. If it comes to that, surely roadrunner could and should step in to protect their asset in some way? Or MP could do the right thing, let bygones be bygones and stand down.

[wammabe]

O.O WTF? I'm a bit confused. Where did this all the legal stuff come from and how did the interviewer know?

[ReaPsTA]

Only not at all

No, they're different things.  Rudess said it was a coincidence because he didn't want to hint at any sort of lawsuit or dispute.  Now that we found out it's almost certainly not a coincidence, there's very little real reason to care that he said what he said because there's a perfectly reasonable reason why.

If they said "the lyrics on ADTOE aren't about Mike Portnoy" then released an album with lyrics about Mike Portnoy, they'd look like liars and idiots.

Completely different situations.

[ReaPsTA]

There is little chance of DT changing their name. If it comes to that, surely roadrunner could and should step in to protect their asset in some way? Or MP could do the right thing, let bygones be bygones and stand down.

I have no inside info, but I have a feeling Roadrunner won't let DT's legal defense go underfunded.  DT's an important asset to them.

O.O WTF? I'm a bit confused. Where did this all the legal stuff come from and how did the interviewer know?

I'm sure that somebody with sufficient connections could have found out.  What's confusing is how it didn't come out sooner.

[Quadrochosis]

in b4 lock/bans

[millahh]

Only not at all

No, they're different things.  Rudess said it was a coincidence because he didn't want to hint at any sort of lawsuit or dispute.  Now that we found out it's almost certainly not a coincidence, there's very little real reason to care that he said what he said because there's a perfectly reasonable reason why.

If they said "the lyrics on ADTOE aren't about Mike Portnoy" then released an album with lyrics with Mike Portnoy, they'd look like liars and idiots.

Completely different situations.

Thanks for writing my post for me.   

Although "This is the Life" seems like it obliquely is about MP....people not being satisfied with their lives, and uprooting to pursue the greener grass on the other side.

[Ħ]

Let me get this straight.

>Mike Portnoy leaves the band.
>Mike Portnoy sues the band.

[Aniland]

Only not at all

No, they're different things.  Rudess said it was a coincidence because he didn't want to hint at any sort of lawsuit or dispute.  Now that we found out it's almost certainly not a coincidence, there's very little real reason to care that he said what he said because there's a perfectly reasonable reason why.

If they said "the lyrics on ADTOE aren't about Mike Portnoy" then released an album with lyrics with Mike Portnoy, they'd look like liars and idiots.

Completely different situations.

Although "This is the Life" seems like it obliquely is about MP....people not being satisfied with their lives, and uprooting to pursue the greener grass on the other side.

Apples and oranges

[Adami]

Let me get this straight.

>Mike Portnoy leaves the band.
>Mike Portnoy sues the band.
> ?
>Profit

That's about it.