Breaking All Illusions Teaser

[Metabog]

I said fine because I was trying to avoid you throwing a bunch of numbers at me again.
I listen to BCASL and SC and even when it sounds "fine", I can hear what the compression is chopping off the top end. I do not hear that with OTBOA. I don't care what Adobe Audition says when you look at it. I care what my ears tell me. And my ears tell me the compression is transparent enough that I do not hear anything lost. Compression is not a linear scale of sounding better/worse.
I don't believe that lowering the compression any further in this case is going to magically make it sound better, because it sounds great already. It has plenty of breathing room and space and doesn't get choked up on the heavier sections like other albums. Stop bitching about the compression and either enjoy the music or don't, especially when you're judging based on YOUTUBE audio. Wait until the album comes out, then go for it.

This, forever. People need to read up on compression before they complain, you can't really judge dynamic range compression just from looking at a waveform in Audition. You CAN tell if it's horribly brickwalled like Death Magnetic, but I'll bet you if you look at the waveform for this song it will be loud (peaking) but not distorting or overly compressed.

[nikatapi]

It doesn't need to be brickwalled though in order to feel compressed. Death Magnetic is just a disaster, no comparison. But in some cases even though there is no distortion you can feel the instruments suffocating for some space.

[snapple]

It sounds like something from Andromeda's Extension of the Wish. Totally love it.

[rumborak]

After hearing the snippet, I am very excited. This sounds like new territory for DT, which means they are returning to what DT were always about.

rumborak

[ResultsMayVary]

"Perfectly fine"... I don't see you praising it either. Does it sound fine compared to other stuff released nowadays? Yes. Does it sound as good as it potentially could? Not by a long shot.

We understand you don't like the youtube version of the new songs. Wait for the album and then you can complain about the quality then. No use judging it now. 

[OsMosis2259]

Sounds like all the vocals are going to be doubled on this album. OTBOA and the two new snippets are all like that. I'm not complaining though, they sound great 

[ReaPsTA]

After hearing the snippet, I am very excited. This sounds like new territory for DT, which means they are returning to what DT were always about.

rumborak

I felt feelings that resembled... happiness and joy when I listened to the BAI snippet.  This is semi-shocking since the last time DT made a song like that was probably FII.

[reneranucci]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

[jonny108]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a dumb decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

See I found this melody to be so emotional and worth crying to.  Such an amazing singer and a beautiful chorus/whatever it is.

[reneranucci]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a dumb decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

See I found this melody to be so emotional and worth crying to.  Such an amazing singer and a beautiful chorus/whatever it is.

Really? Worth crying to? hehehe. To me it sounded excessively cliched and shallow, especially the part "there IIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiii begiiiin"

[jayvee3]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a dumb decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

Gee, that beats me. From what I've heard from the snippits, in terms of vocal melodies, sounds like some very classy work. Dull and lacklustre seems a bit over the top to me, but whatever - ill reserve my judgement to when I hear more than about 5 lines of a 12 minute song..

[austin]

I said fine because I was trying to avoid you throwing a bunch of numbers at me again.
I listen to BCASL and SC and even when it sounds "fine", I can hear what the compression is chopping off the top end. I do not hear that with OTBOA. I don't care what Adobe Audition says when you look at it. I care what my ears tell me. And my ears tell me the compression is transparent enough that I do not hear anything lost. Compression is not a linear scale of sounding better/worse.
I don't believe that lowering the compression any further in this case is going to magically make it sound better, because it sounds great already. It has plenty of breathing room and space and doesn't get choked up on the heavier sections like other albums. Stop bitching about the compression and either enjoy the music or don't, especially when you're judging based on YOUTUBE audio. Wait until the album comes out, then go for it.

This, forever. People need to read up on compression before they complain, you can't really judge dynamic range compression just from looking at a waveform in Audition. You CAN tell if it's horribly brickwalled like Death Magnetic, but I'll bet you if you look at the waveform for this song it will be loud (peaking) but not distorting or overly compressed.

This. I feel like the waveform is more indicative of the mixing than anything, though obviously compression is a factor. I can tell it's compressed, but much much less than SC or BCSL. About the same as 8vm, but I could be wrong.
So far, the guitar tone is killing me though. On all the songs, it sounds like they boosted the lower midrange too much. It shares too much of the frequency spectrum with the bass, to me. Makes it muddy. But it's definitely listenable. I might get some hate for this, but I think Andy Wallace's mixes are getting worse and worse. It's like he mixed the whole album with iPod headphones. I still think this shit's gonna be legit, though. Can't wait.

[Knguro]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

Hey why I always see a comment coming from you about the new stuff, is always negative? Does the mp stuff still hurts your butt?

[jonny108]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

Hey why I always see a comment coming from you about the new stuff, is always negative? Does the mp stuff still hurts your butt?

Or maybe because people do have opinions and his opinion is that he doesn't really like it and it doesn't suit his musical tastes.  

[MarkFitDT]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

Hey why I always see a comment coming from you about the new stuff, is always negative? Does the mp stuff still hurts your butt?

Or maybe because people do have opinions and his opinion is that he doesn't really like it and it doesn't suit his musical tastes.  

that is fair comment but he does seem on a mission to deliberately not like it, every comment I have seen is negative.

[VioletS16]

As far as the vocals go, I don't think they are boring at all. It seems as if some were expecting something that could be off a Winter Rose song. James doesn't need to be hitting crazy high notes to sound good. I think the vocals sound really emotional and good. And we haven't heard enough off the album to determine that it's all going to be like this. We've heard 1 whole song and 2 snippets of songs. There are still 6 more songs on there and honestly, there wasn't anything special on BC&SL and besides Heretic, nothing really special on SC either as far as vocals go, and I think that this sounds better and more emotional than both of those.

[skydivingninja]

After hearing the snippet, I am very excited. This sounds like new territory for DT, which means they are returning to what DT were always about.

rumborak

I feel the same way after warming up to OTBOA.  Its DT being more "progressive" again rather than following the motions of a "prog" band.  

[Knguro]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

Hey why I always see a comment coming from you about the new stuff, is always negative? Does the mp stuff still hurts your butt?

Or maybe because people do have opinions and his opinion is that he doesn't really like it and it doesn't suit his musical tastes.  

that is fair comment but he does seem on a mission to deliberately not like it, every comment I have seen is negative.

Thanks, and is totally dif saying a constructive fan comment than been trolling calling in some other threads new stuff "mediocre".

[Kotowboy]

This is fantastic. Friday has become my new favorite day.

You're sounding a little bit like Rebecca Black there.....

Which seat shall I take.......

You're sounding a bit like Mike Portnoy there....

DT  vs  AX7


Which drum seat shall I take ?

[GasparXR]

This is fantastic. Friday has become my new favorite day.

You're sounding a little bit like Rebecca Black there.....

Which seat shall I take.......

You're sounding a bit like Mike Portnoy there....

DT  vs  AX7


Which drum seat shall I take ?

Not even going to bother, other than people need to chill the fuck out and quit it with this "MP LEFT FOR A7X" bullcrap.

Ontopic: The panflute (?) section reminds me of SDOIT's Overture a lot. It has that classical major-key vibe to it, even though it might not have a major-key at all (not sure which lol).

[hefdaddy42]

Does the mp stuff still hurts your butt?

Respect your fellow forum members.  There is no place here for comments like that.

[Knguro]

Does the mp stuff still hurts your butt?

Respect your fellow forum members.  There is no place here for comments like that.

Fair enough and I apologize hef, but is really annoying people trolling about new DT stuff.

[reneranucci]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

Hey why I always see a comment coming from you about the new stuff, is always negative? Does the mp stuff still hurts your butt?

Or maybe because people do have opinions and his opinion is that he doesn't really like it and it doesn't suit his musical tastes.  

that is fair comment but he does seem on a mission to deliberately not like it, every comment I have seen is negative.

Well I forgot to comment that the music sounds awesome, but that's a little bit redundant in this thread  . Maybe the drums are too low again but because we have youtube quality. But the vocal melodies are the single most important factor to me, and that's why I was pointing that out. I was listening to BC&SL yesterday and it has some awesome vocal melodies, hopefully the new album will be excellent in that regard, too.

[j]

I was listening to BC&SL yesterday and it has some awesome vocal melodies

Other than the end of TCoT, I personally can't think of a memorable vocal melody from BC&SL, let alone an "awesome" one.  I guess maybe that mellow section of ANtR?

-J

[wammabe]

I was listening to BC&SL yesterday and it has some awesome vocal melodies

Other than the end of TCoT, I personally can't think of a memorable vocal melody from BC&SL, let alone an "awesome" one.  I guess maybe that mellow section of ANtR?

-J

What are you talking about? BC&SL has some of the best vocal melodies of all time! Second only to Systematic Chaos!

"DAY AFTER DAY
AND NIGHT AFTER NIGHT
REPLAY THE EVENTS
DID THEY EVER SEE THE RED LIGHT?
OVER AND OVER
SCENE BY SCENE
LIKE A RECURRING NIGHTMARE
HAUNTED MY DREAMS"
and
"LET ME INTRODUCE!
MY BROTHER
A BEARDED GENTLEMAN
HISTORIAN
SUCKING ON HIS PIPE
DISTINGUISHED ACCENTS
MAKING ME UPTIGHT
NO ACCIDENT"

[reneranucci]

I was listening to BC&SL yesterday and it has some awesome vocal melodies

Other than the end of TCoT, I personally can't think of a memorable vocal melody from BC&SL, let alone an "awesome" one.  I guess maybe that mellow section of ANtR?

-J

Exactly. And TBOT and wither rank from very good to excellent IMO.

[Raoul Sanchez]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

Hey why I always see a comment coming from you about the new stuff, is always negative? Does the mp stuff still hurts your butt?

Or maybe because people do have opinions and his opinion is that he doesn't really like it and it doesn't suit his musical tastes.  

that is fair comment but he does seem on a mission to deliberately not like it, every comment I have seen is negative.

Well I forgot to comment that the music sounds awesome, but that's a little bit redundant in this thread  . Maybe the drums are too low again but because we have youtube quality. But the vocal melodies are the single most important factor to me, and that's why I was pointing that out. I was listening to BC&SL yesterday and it has some awesome vocal melodies, hopefully the new album will be excellent in that regard, too.

Beautiful Agony and TCOT maybe. I can hardly remember the rest of the album vocally.

[hefdaddy42]

I was listening to BC&SL yesterday and it has some awesome vocal melodies

Other than the end of TCoT, I personally can't think of a memorable vocal melody from BC&SL, let alone an "awesome" one.  I guess maybe that mellow section of ANtR?

-J

Exactly. And TBOT and wither rank from very good to excellent IMO.

Wither is pretty amazing all around, IMHO.

[j]

I was listening to BC&SL yesterday and it has some awesome vocal melodies

Other than the end of TCoT, I personally can't think of a memorable vocal melody from BC&SL, let alone an "awesome" one.  I guess maybe that mellow section of ANtR?

-J

What are you talking about? BC&SL has some of the best vocal melodies of all time! Second only to Systematic Chaos!

"DAY AFTER DAY
AND NIGHT AFTER NIGHT
REPLAY THE EVENTS
DID THEY EVER SEE THE RED LIGHT?
OVER AND OVER
SCENE BY SCENE
LIKE A RECURRING NIGHTMARE
HAUNTED MY DREAMS"
and
"LET ME INTRODUCE!
MY BROTHER
A BEARDED GENTLEMAN
HISTORIAN
SUCKING ON HIS PIPE
DISTINGUISHED ACCENTS
MAKING ME UPTIGHT
NO ACCIDENT"

See?

I was listening to BC&SL yesterday and it has some awesome vocal melodies

Other than the end of TCoT, I personally can't think of a memorable vocal melody from BC&SL, let alone an "awesome" one.  I guess maybe that mellow section of ANtR?

-J

Exactly. And TBOT and wither rank from very good to excellent IMO.

Maybe you misunderstood me.  I'm saying I can think of only MAYBE two memorable vocal melodies at best from BC&SL.  Glad you think they're good, but IMO TBOT especially has some of DT's lamest vocal melodies ever, and the rest of the album doesn't do much better for the most part.

-J

[Jamesman42]

TSF's new melodies are awesome: "LOOK IN THE MIRROR" and "I AM RESPONSIBLE"

[Frank]

I'm reminded somewhat of Unweaving the Rainbow and James' work on Ayreon for this one, particularly the proggy break. It's very lovely.

I absolutely love this. I can't stop listening to it.

[MarkFitDT]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

Hey why I always see a comment coming from you about the new stuff, is always negative? Does the mp stuff still hurts your butt?

Or maybe because people do have opinions and his opinion is that he doesn't really like it and it doesn't suit his musical tastes.  

that is fair comment but he does seem on a mission to deliberately not like it, every comment I have seen is negative.

Well I forgot to comment that the music sounds awesome, but that's a little bit redundant in this thread  . Maybe the drums are too low again but because we have youtube quality. But the vocal melodies are the single most important factor to me, and that's why I was pointing that out. I was listening to BC&SL yesterday and it has some awesome vocal melodies, hopefully the new album will be excellent in that regard, too.

well im with you on the BC&SL point definitely.

[dongringo]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

Who are you? Who are you related to? I'm on to you.  

[rush-signals]

Well it might not have the dynamics of I&W or WD&DU but to me its sounds pretty good, and improved from the last 3 albums.

And hasn't the band and the guy who has heard the whole album say it sounded great and the mix was great too? I'll bet a whole lot it's going to sound awesome! weren't we tiold the album has more melody than in recent past too?

[wammabe]

I don't like any of the vocal melodies I've heard on the song and the snippets, they sound dull and lackluster. If that's a result of a decision such as leaving all the melodies to LaBrie, I would say "I vehemently informed you thusly".

Who are you? Who are you related to? I'm on to you.  

The administrators should get rid of him/her soon.