What's with all the hate?

[wolven74]

Ok, I just saw on Twitter a retweet that says something to the effect of dramatic turn of events indeed. My fav band for 25 years now sucks, thank god for Adrenaline Mob. This in itself is disturbing enough, but what's worse in my opinion is it's retweeted by Adrenaline Mob which, unless MP has changed his role in the band, means it was done specifically by MP. Clearly there were some other issues going on to cause MP to want to leave the band if he's spouting this much hate on his blog and throughout the interwebs.

That's not the only hate I'm seeing. See, I can respect that long time fans have a hard time with change, but the amount of vitriol being spouted because of Mike Mangini is pretty hard to stomach for me. I love Dream Theater, and I love the music they create. One Member change can make a huge difference (Jordan Rudess > Derek Sherinian) but I really never saw that much hate for any other change in the bands history. Personally, I'd appreciate the cessation of negativity. I just want to enjoy the music.

Had to vent. Thought this might be a decent place. 

What do you guys think? Is anyone else tired of the hate?

[ReaPsTA]

Where's the hate for Mangini?  From what I can tell, at least on DT's Fb page and this forum, 90% of fans at least have been supportive of the guy and really happy with what he's doing.

[BlobVanDam]

How could anyone dislike Magini? What a classy son of a gun, smoking his cigars and such.

[VioletS16]

How could anyone dislike Magini? What a classy son of a gun, smoking his cigars and such.

That's what I thought.
He is such a nice and enthusiastic and happy guy--it's hard to think of someone having such hate for someone who just seems so...silly and happy?

[BlackInk]

The hate seem to have been directed at Dream Theater as a group, not so much at single persons (except for LaBrie).

But yes, I am too tired of the hate and I wish that some Mike Portnoy fans wouldn't magically inherit his imaturity.  

[Metabog]

It's the same people you see commenting on every one of his tweets or Facebook posts saying "go back to DT mike" etc. It's that DT fanbase undercurrent that you don't see on the forum but far outnumbers any actual sensible fans.

[rumborak]

Yeah, have not perceived any hate against Mangini or the rest of DT. Why AM/MP would retweet such a comment, well, MP has issues taking the high road, always had.

rumborak

[MasterShakezula]

Sounds like a very vocal and polarized fan of MP made a controversial statement.

And MP may have quoted it.

I think we're making too big a deal about these occurrences.  I mean, it's not too smart of him to be doing that, but it's no basis to be bashing him in return for a dumb remark made by some random Jim. 

[rumborak]

I dunno dude. Retweeting something means you endorse the sentiment in the tweet. That can't be just brushed away. In the case of retweets, yes, you can shoot the messenger.

rumborak

[BlackInk]

I think we're making too big a deal about these occurrences.  I mean, it's not too smart of him to be doing that, but it's no basis to be bashing him in return for a dumb remark made by some random Jim. 

That's the thing, I don't think we bash him. We question his behaviour sure but I like to think we do so in a respectable manner (most of the time) which I think differs from hardcore MP fans who just throws the "they can suck it!" and "everything from now on will suck forever" attitude all around them.

[Metabog]

I dunno dude. Retweeting something means you endorse the sentiment in the tweet. That can't be just brushed away. In the case of retweets, yes, you can shoot the messenger.

rumborak

This, nobody clicks to retweet something if they don't agree with it / want to share the thought with everyone. Isn't that the main idea of tweeting?

[IdoSC]

That looks to me like MP being MP and a fan of MP being a fan of MP. Nothing extraordinary.

[rush-signals]

Having been a fan of DT forever I was getting burned out on DT myself. I remember in the late 1990's being an obsessive fan listening to them all the time non-stop. But the last few years their music didn't hit me the same way. Sure I like some of the songs off the albums, enjoyed watchig the live dvd's and Portnoys drum videos, but it just wasn't the same after SFAM. I think the band got stale because of Portnoy and more and more he just rubbed me wrong. His rock juice bit on one of the live dvd's confirmed to me what I thought for a while, that his ego was out of control.

Now Manigini is in the mix I see nothing but positive things in DT's future. Portnoy to me caused all the negativity! I think the fans embracing of Manigini is much bigger than I thought it would be. Even on the Portnoy Forums the response has been huge.

I think a lot of negativity could be lifted if Portnoy would just grow a set of balls and be a man and come out and say "I fucked up and shouldn't have left the band, but I'm happy for them and their new material sounds great".

All of this has been the kick in the butt DT's been needing for years! Hell it's even gotten me fired up about them again, for once.

[darkshade]

 

[Sketchy]

Wait, it's possible to have hate for Mangini? What?

[tri.ad]

I have yet to see ANY serious negativity towards MM here. Granted, there have been one or two die-hard MP fanboys here rambling around, but that was long ago and I haven't taken it seriously either. So... I really don't know what you have seen on this forum that made you think this way.

[robwebster]

Yeah, the negativity's not particularly big, it's just being viewed through a magnifying glass. While the board's not a representative sample, and there are going to be a lot more MP-sympathisers in real life than kick about on here, they're still not a majority. Far from it, as far as I can tell. The illusion's mostly created by the fact that Mike's been choosing - quite classlessly - to quote the fans who slag off Dream Theater, thereby giving them extra prominence.

[Banny]

I made a post regarding this on MPs forum (and it was not offensive/rude/disrespectful toward MP in ANY way). It was deleted in minutes.  


Anyways, I just thought that was really disrespectful to be retweeted by the official AM twitter account. No class or tact here.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Adrenaline Mob or Portnoy's other projects won't be as half as successful as DT are and will continue to be. So, it doesn't really matter.

[Slain]

'A Dramatic Turn of Events' indeed. My fav band for 25 years now sux. Thank God for the New Kings @Adrenalinemob #ALLHAIL !!!

That was the retweeted post in question, and this is another one that the AM twitter account retweeted

@MikePortnoy @AdrenalineMob Dream Who??.... All I can say is if this is the EP, I can not WAIT for the full album!!

It makes me wonder who uses and posts on the account, because now it just seems as if they are trying to start some kind of fan war. It's incredibly immature of whoever posts with that twitter account to retweet stuff like this, and I know they are just doing it to make Mike feel better (unless it is Mike). Not to mention that it's completely unprofessional, I know it's Twitter and everything, but that account is representing the band.

[VioletS16]

The hate seem to have been directed at Dream Theater as a group, not so much at single persons (except for LaBrie).

But yes, I am too tired of the hate and I wish that some Mike Portnoy fans wouldn't magically inherit his imaturity.  

This is, unfortunately, too true. I know it's kind of OT but I don't think James deserves the hate he gets...those people that bash him probably wouldn't even IMAGINE singing with a cold, let alone such a huge vocal injury, and they clearly don't understand the extent of the injury and how mentally and physically painful it must have been for him. James isn't 100% nowadays nor was he 100% back then (come on, he could be very off-key sometimes) but no singer is perfect and really it doesn't bother James so the only reason the person is being so cruel is because they feel better about it themselves (which is a horrible way to boost confidence)

[DTFan0789]

Wow, I just checked out A-Mob's twitter and saw at least two Anti-DT posts re-tweeted by them. "A Dramatic Turn of Events' indeed. My fav band for 25 years now sux. Thank God for the New Kings" "Dream Who??.... All I can say is if this is the EP, I can not WAIT for the full album!!" All I can say is, completely classless on the part of Portnoy, who is undoubtedly in charge of their twitter. So much respect lost for this guy...

[ReaPsTA]

If MP's retweeting a comment that says DT sucks now, I wonder what he thinks of people who are still fans of the band?  I feel insulted.

[Flacracker]

MP is just mad that MM is a much better drummer than he is. MP is also mad that DT is going to make a better album than anything in the past few years without him.





                   HEY MP!

[Implode]

I had to unfollow MP because of all his retweet spam.

[JediKnight1969]

I had to unfollow MP because of all his retweet spam.

Me too.

[ReaPsTA]

Interesting:  https://twitter.com/#!/MikePortnoy/status/101001816438874112

"@J8VRM: *I* did NOT retweet that post and just had it undone...carry on enjoying the EP! : )"

[Kotowboy]

All.Respect.Gone. 

Actually so glad Mangini is in the band. He is actually so grateful to be there. He Deserves it.

So looking forward to new album.

[BlobVanDam]

Anyone going to give MP the benefit of the doubt here, or is he just backtracking to cover his ass?

[nikatapi]

I had to unfollow MP because of all his retweet spam.

[DTFan0789]

Anyone going to give MP the benefit of the doubt here, or is he just backtracking to cover his ass?

Backtracking to cover his ass.

[reneranucci]

The only hate I see here is directed towards MP. Well, not much hate, but mostly posts in the vein of "I don't have any evidence but I'm sure MP is to blame for all the bad things about DT: he made the music stale, kept Myung silent, hated KM, wrote JR's awful solos, made JP wear I'M METUL!! jackets in pictures, was the only who wanted the band to play numetal, chose JLB's worst performances to show everybody what a horrible singer he is, and now he hates DT and all his fans", and a long etc. You know, like rush-signal's posts ITT. I've seen all kinds of unjustified accusations towards him, and that really seems unfair towards MP. He's just a phenomenal musican with a big personality and ego, who maybe feels he has to defend himself all the time. No big deal. And I don't understand why anybody would be personally offended by something he tweets or retweets.

[Kotowboy]

Interesting:  https://twitter.com/#!/MikePortnoy/status/101001816438874112

"@J8VRM: *I* did NOT retweet that post and just had it undone...carry on enjoying the EP! : )"

Maybe not personally - but maybe you told someone to

A la " not my thoughts . . even though i*liked*  them "


Whatever.

[chrisgazpacho]

The only hate I see here is directed towards MP. Well, not much hate, but mostly posts in the vein of "I don't have any evidence but I'm sure MP is to blame for all the bad things about DT: he made the music stale, kept Myung silent, hated KM, wrote JR's awful solos, made JP wear I'M METUL!! jackets in pictures, was the only who wanted the band to play numetal, chose JLB's worst performances to show everybody what a horrible singer he is, and now he hates DT and all his fans", and a long etc. You know, like rush-signal's posts ITT. I've seen all kinds of unjustified accusations towards him, and that really seems unfair towards MP. He's just a phenomenal musican with a big personality and ego, who maybe feels he has to defend himself all the time. No big deal.

This 1000%.  

I can't believe how much basing the guy takes.  I mean he only lived and breathed DT every day for 25 years.  The way people rip him around here you would think he went to their house and personally stole something from them or something.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Anyone going to give MP the benefit of the doubt here, or is he just backtracking to cover his ass?

He already liked some nasty facebook comments, so it wouldn't surprise me if this were true.