What's with all the hate?

[nikatapi]

I'd hate it for people to think that I'm bashing the album from prejudice, but I really don't think it compares to what he was doing in DT even on the later albums, even with RA's massively godly voice. MP has always been like a figurehead of prog metal, I'd rather see him stick to that. It's very hard to reinvent yourself at such a late stage, especially after a break up like this. He belongs inside a Monster with a bunch of octobans and a giant gong, playing weird poly-rhythms and showing people how it's done and spitting on things. All this stuff that is happening is weird to me.

I understand what you are saying and i partially agree, but the fact is that he will play whatever he feels that makes him happy and fulfilled as a person. It might not be what we are used to and maybe out of our preferences as music, but MP doesn't have to play any particular style of music, only what is fitting for him at a particular moment in time.

[Kotowboy]

Midlife crisis ?

[Metropolis Pt. II]

Midlife crisis ?

No, I'm pretty sure that was the blue beard. 

[Bertielee]

TBH, I haven't listened to AM and won't. When I heard that RA was on board, I was kind of interested in the project but apparently, it didn't live to expectations because the music is not suited to RA's voice. Honestly, apart from some of SX, I've yet to hear something that is really suited to RA's voice, because up to now, it's not been the case for me. Or the other way round, maybe RA is not such a good singer capable of adapting to whatever style imposed upon him. In other words, I find that RA is one of the most beautiful voices in metal, but unfortunately, he's not the best "singer" if you see what I mean.
On the subject of MP, maybe it's midlife crisis, but with DT 10, a cycle had been completed : the AA saga and the death of his father. In a way, it was "natural" for MP to go and look somewhere else, even if difficult for all parties involved. What I find selfish is that he used DT to vent all he felt and doing this, he ended up stifling the music and turning DT in a "boring" band (for me, at least the last 3 albums). As for his personality, well, MP is MP.

B.Lee

[Kotowboy]

If you can't stand the HATE, Get out of Hell's Kitchen

[slycordinator]

TBH, I haven't listened to AM and won't. When I heard that RA was on board, I was kind of interested in the project but apparently, it didn't live to expectations because the music is not suited to RA's voice.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but this feels like "I can't dislike a band I've never listened to, but I won't listen to them since I know someone else who's disappointed in them."

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

[Bertielee]

TBH, I haven't listened to AM and won't. When I heard that RA was on board, I was kind of interested in the project but apparently, it didn't live to expectations because the music is not suited to RA's voice.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but this feels like "I can't dislike a band I've never listened to, but I won't listen to them since I know someone else who's disappointed in them."

I was ready to listen to AM with RA on board, but I read comments by people who said that RA was underused or even illused (if that makes sense), even from people who liked the EP. So, here I am : I won't listen to it. And yes, I can refrain from listening to sthg when comments are negative. It saves a lot of time for me.

B.Lee

[slycordinator]

And yes, I can refrain from listening to sthg when comments are negative. It saves a lot of time for me.

B.Lee

I wasn't asking if you were able to do it. I was asking if you were, btw.

It's just a difference of opinion. I think it's strange to hear none of the band's output first-hand and dismiss them. I'm not saying "go out and buy their album" or even "listen to the whole EP." I'm just saying maybe try listening for a few minutes. Sure, you might waste a few minutes but IMO me wasting a few minutes listening to something is better than me not and having another guy's opinion be put in place for mine.

[Dark Castle]

And yes, I can refrain from listening to sthg when comments are negative. It saves a lot of time for me.

B.Lee

I wasn't asking if you were able to do it. I was asking if you were, btw.

It's just a difference of opinion. I think it's strange to hear none of the band's output first-hand and dismiss them. I'm not saying "go out and buy their album" or even "listen to the whole EP." I'm just saying maybe try listening for a few minutes. Sure, you might waste a few minutes but IMO me wasting a few minutes listening to something is better than me not and having another guy's opinion be put in place for mine.

You know I agree with this.  My girlfriend told me about this band otep and said I should try em.  I tried it, didn't like it, but didn't feel like I wasted any time, just forming my opinion.  I can listen to em, just not something I'd go out of my way to ya know?

[hefdaddy42]

It could have something to do with age/lifestyle.  I don't know about Bertielee, but I work full time, am married, and have two kids, one of whom is in high school.  I only have so much time to check out new stuff.  If someone I trusted told me that a band sucked, I wouldn't waste my time listening to them.

[7thHanyou]

MP is becoming the Tim "Ripper" Owens of the drummers

Except for the fact that their are millions of people that will buy any album he is on and it wont stop anytime soon.

I actually prefer Neal Morse and Transatlantic to Dream Theater, but I don't specifically buy them for Mike.

Mike's a great drummer, and it's a shame what this whole thing has done to his image.  But it seems it's his fault, so whatever.

[slycordinator]

It could have something to do with age/lifestyle.  I don't know about Bertielee, but I work full time, am married, and have two kids, one of whom is in high school.  I only have so much time to check out new stuff.  If someone I trusted told me that a band sucked, I wouldn't waste my time listening to them.

I work part-time, go to graduate school full-time (with part-time spent working in the clinic), have one of my board exams coming up in several days, and I managed a couple minutes.

[LTE777]

To be honest I have stopped following MP on Twitter due to the endless AM self-promotion and the AM ep is not that great and it gives the wrong impression.

I dont really like re-tweeting for self promotion for everyone to read.

Its pretty interesting that the only member of DT to ever receive any negative comments at all IMO is MP. I dont think i have ever read on any forum anyone saying anything negative or bad about JP, JR, JLB, JM and now MM which says a lot about there characters and is purely based on their character (they all have received flac for their music over the years).

I have OCD as well and a lot of people dont like me or take me the wrong way at first instance as i can be rude (which i only realised when my girlfriend pointed it out) or what i say can be taken the wrong way.  Mike, like me, probably doesnt understand what he says or how he acts can be interpreted differently by a lot of people and when i found out i was really offended.

The bottom line is, if you fly under the radar, you will reduce the amount of criticism aimed at you.  I think Mike has realised this lately but its his nature to act the way he does due to his personality.

The main thing i have learnt in life is its not about selecting what you say but selecting what you dont say and anger/rash decisions mask fear!

I hope MP can just move on and focus on the music...i just hope he realises how big Transatlantic could be if it was a fulltime project.

[Raoul Sanchez]

MP is becoming the Tim "Ripper" Owens of the drummers

Except for the fact that their are millions of people that will buy any album he is on and it wont stop anytime soon.

I don't even think a single album he's played on has broke a million sales, let alone millions plural. While he's certainly a big draw you are over estimating his appeal here.

Whether or not he lasts is pretty much down to how well his next couple of projects are received.

[slycordinator]

I don't even think a single album he's played on has broke a million sales, let alone millions plural. While he's certainly a big draw you are over estimating his appeal here.

Images and Words has, to date, sold about 2.5 million. But that is by far his (and DT's) best-selling album ever. And it also doesn't take into consideration that quite a few of those sales are repeats (like someone who bought it on vinyl/cassette likely also have it on CD by now...)

[hefdaddy42]

Images and Words has, to date, sold about 2.5 million.

Source?  That would make it double platinum, and as far as I know, it's never gone higher than gold.

[BlobVanDam]

Images and Words has, to date, sold about 2.5 million.

Source?  That would make it double platinum, and as far as I know, it's never gone higher than gold.

That would have to be worldwide, which wouldn't count towards a gold/platinum milestone, as that's per country. Although I have no idea where you'd get an accurate figure for worldside sales of such an album.

[JayOctavarium]

you google it?

[Bertielee]

It could have something to do with age/lifestyle.  I don't know about Bertielee, but I work full time, am married, and have two kids, one of whom is in high school.  I only have so much time to check out new stuff.  If someone I trusted told me that a band sucked, I wouldn't waste my time listening to them.

Same situation as you, Hef. That's why I do that.

@slycordinator : must have to do with age, then!

B.Lee

[Lynxo]

Don't hate
Masturbate

[slycordinator]

Images and Words has, to date, sold about 2.5 million.

Source?  That would make it double platinum, and as far as I know, it's never gone higher than gold.

As mentioned, I think that's a worldwide number.
But it was a number posted on here so I'm not sure how valid it might be. Oops...