Not news: Tracklengths and lyricists have appeared on Wiki.

Guitalguy · July 10, 2011, 01:45:44 PM

Og you go to the wikipedia page now you can see the lengths and the lyricists have been changed.. Several lyrics from Kevin Moore according to this.
All music composed by John Petrucci, John Myung, and Jordan Rudess.

No.   Title   Lyrics   Length
1.   "On the Backs of Angels"       John Petrucci   8:46
2.   "Build Me Up, Break Me Down"     Kevin Moore   8:11
3.   "Lost Not Forgotten".      John Petrucci   4:24
4.   "This Is the Life"       Dream Theater   8:21
5.   "The Shaman's Trance"       Kevin Moore   5:30
6.   "Outcry".      John Petrucci   9:32
7.   "Far from Heaven".     John Petrucci   7:04
8.   "Breaking All Illusions"       Kevin Moore   2:32
9.   "Beneath the Surface".     John Myung   11:31

I therefore think we can conclude with that one should not trust the internet.

wasteland · July 10, 2011, 01:47:05 PM

Quote from: Guitalguy on July 10, 2011, 01:45:44 PM

2.   "Build Me Up, Break Me Down"     Kevin Moore   8:11
3.   "Lost Not Forgotten"      John Petrucci   4:24
4.   "This Is the Life"      Dream Theater   8:21
5.   "The Shaman's Trance"      Kevin Moore   5:30
6.   "Outcry"      John Petrucci    9:32
7.   "Far from Heaven"      John Petrucci   7:04
8.   "Breaking All Illusions"      Kevin Moore   2:32
9.   "Beneath the Surface".     John Myung   11:31

I therefore think we can conclude with that one should not trust the internet.

You know, I can smell the presence of Images And Words here

Guitalguy · July 10, 2011, 01:50:09 PM

Quote from: wasteland on July 10, 2011, 01:47:05 PM
Quote from: Guitalguy on July 10, 2011, 01:45:44 PM

2.   "Build Me Up, Break Me Down"     Kevin Moore   8:11
3.   "Lost Not Forgotten"      John Petrucci   4:24
4.   "This Is the Life"      Dream Theater   8:21
5.   "The Shaman's Trance"      Kevin Moore   5:30
6.   "Outcry"      John Petrucci    9:32
7.   "Far from Heaven"      John Petrucci   7:04
8.   "Breaking All Illusions"      Kevin Moore   2:32
9.   "Beneath the Surface".     John Myung   11:31

I therefore think we can conclude with that one should not trust the internet.

You know, I can smell the presence of Images And Words here

That's very true

I think we better wait until DT says anything or the record comes out

GasparXR · July 10, 2011, 01:51:04 PM

As of now the tracklisting has been reverted to what it should be. Won't stop anyone else from vandalising it though >.>

tri.ad · July 10, 2011, 01:52:44 PM

Prepare for a "DUH" post.

I highly doubt that we'll get the track lengths (and probably the lyricists as well) before the first promo copies are distributed.

Guitalguy · July 10, 2011, 01:54:17 PM

Well, now the first lengths are back again...

I call bullsh*t.

GasparXR · July 10, 2011, 01:55:48 PM

Quote from: Guitalguy on July 10, 2011, 01:54:17 PM
Well, now the first lengths are back again...

I call bullsh*t.

They are? I refreshed and all the tracklengths, lyricist (besides OTBOA) and the total length are gone.

TheGreatPretender · July 10, 2011, 01:58:28 PM

Yeah, I think the Wikipedia mods finally realized that someone was having too much fun with the Edit button and now they're on it. Hopefully.

wammabe · July 10, 2011, 02:01:09 PM

I feel left out I can't see anything different on the page...

Guitalguy · July 10, 2011, 02:02:01 PM

Here it shows the ones at the top of the thread. But I guess it's nothing we should care about, since it's all obviously faker than.... something fake.

GasparXR · July 10, 2011, 02:06:53 PM

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 10, 2011, 01:58:28 PM
Yeah, I think the Wikipedia mods finally realized that someone was having too much fun with the Edit button and now they're on it. Hopefully.

No, I edited them out haha. I guess no-one bothered to put fake info back in.

TheGreatPretender · July 10, 2011, 02:09:39 PM

Quote from: GasparXR on July 10, 2011, 02:06:53 PM
Quote from: TheGreatPretender on July 10, 2011, 01:58:28 PM
Yeah, I think the Wikipedia mods finally realized that someone was having too much fun with the Edit button and now they're on it. Hopefully.

No, I edited them out haha. I guess no-one bothered to put fake info back in.

Well, good. It better stay that way until we have official confirmation.
I don't see why the OP was so quick as to deem this thread "NEWS" when it should've been more like... "RUMOR"

MasterShakezula · July 10, 2011, 02:12:11 PM

This chaos reminds me of the months leading up to Maiden's Final Frontier, last year. For quite a while before Maiden gave out info themselves, the wiki article had a REALLY inaccurate tracklist that seemed to imply that the album would be a concept album about the space race.

TheGreatPretender · July 10, 2011, 02:16:28 PM

Quote from: MasterShakezula on July 10, 2011, 02:12:11 PM
This chaos reminds me of the months leading up to Maiden's Final Frontier, last year. For quite a while before Maiden gave out info themselves, the wiki article had a REALLY inaccurate tracklist that seemed to imply that the album would be a concept album about the space race.

Hahah, I remember I kinda freaked out in 2009, because I saw that Megadeth's new album was Endgame, and I saw Iron Maiden's "Final Frontier" and I thought they were both retiring.

hefdaddy42 · July 10, 2011, 02:50:59 PM

Don't believe anything until it comes directly from DT.

Metal · July 10, 2011, 02:51:50 PM

This page should be protected status.

MasterShakezula · July 10, 2011, 02:56:02 PM

Well, a WDADR-type reunion with Smeagol would make quite the show. If they're doing that. Unless Mike already has him booked for one of his works. That recluse really could use more love/representation from the DT guys.

Aniland · July 10, 2011, 03:58:59 PM

Oh well. That's a shame that it held no water, because it looked pretty good.

Jamesman42 · July 10, 2011, 04:03:11 PM

Quote from: Metal on July 10, 2011, 02:51:50 PM
This page should be protected status.

LOL at the Kurt Cobain one. hehe.

Honestly, this thread was not a good idea. It was never officially announced, and even then, there is a thread for it. I'd only make a thread if it came from the horse's mouth.

DarkLord_Lalinc · July 10, 2011, 04:05:59 PM

lost not forgotten lol

Global Laziness · July 10, 2011, 04:06:12 PM

Quote from: ReaPsTA on July 10, 2011, 01:27:53 PM
Only one JM lyric. It's been indicated a couple times he wrote lyrics for two songs, so I doubt it.

Has it been, officially? I thought that was just hopeful fan speculation.

Aniland · July 10, 2011, 04:11:46 PM

Quote from: Jamesman on July 10, 2011, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: Metal on July 10, 2011, 02:51:50 PM
This page should be protected status.

LOL at the Kurt Cobain one. hehe.

Honestly, this thread was not a good idea. It was never officially announced, and even then, there is a thread for it. I'd only make a thread if it came from the horse's mouth.

Considering that it is merely a thread on a message board, I don't think it could possibly fall under the hammer of, "A bad idea." It's a thread, no biggie.

Kyo · July 10, 2011, 04:15:39 PM

Quote from: Aniland on July 10, 2011, 12:44:51 PM

Does anyone know the validity of this?

I talked to James yesterday, this list is utter BS.

Quote from: Adami on July 10, 2011, 12:48:19 PM
Doubtful, since it's almost exactly 80 minutes.

Funnily enough that is the one part that they got right!

chrisbDTM · July 10, 2011, 04:17:44 PM

im ok with OP's first pic

Jamesman42 · July 10, 2011, 04:42:50 PM

Quote from: Kyo on July 10, 2011, 04:15:39 PM
Quote from: Aniland on July 10, 2011, 12:44:51 PM

Does anyone know the validity of this?

I talked to James yesterday, this list is utter BS.

Quote from: Adami on July 10, 2011, 12:48:19 PM
Doubtful, since it's almost exactly 80 minutes.

Funnily enough that is the one part that they got right!

Dang, so you what do ya know man!?

Pols Voice · July 10, 2011, 04:55:27 PM

Smeagol.

GasparXR · July 10, 2011, 05:12:06 PM

I guess when I fixed the page, the mods saw my message that it should be protected, and thus it now is.

champbassist · July 10, 2011, 07:02:32 PM

Quote from: Global Laziness on July 10, 2011, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: ReaPsTA on July 10, 2011, 01:27:53 PM
Only one JM lyric. It's been indicated a couple times he wrote lyrics for two songs, so I doubt it.

Has it been, officially? I thought that was just hopeful fan speculation.

Extract from Mebert78's post about his meeting with JR:

Quote from: Mebert78 on April 30, 2011, 10:00:33 PM

Lastly, I asked him if he could give me any details on the new album, songtitles, anything. He said one thing he could tell me is that Myung wrote lyrics for songs (I believe he said songs, plural -- as in multiple songs).

fadetoblackdude7 · July 10, 2011, 11:43:23 PM

I'm gonna go ahead and predict that Breaking All Illusions will be the longest song on the record.....the title just sounds like it.

Aniland · July 11, 2011, 02:48:20 AM

Dream Theater hasn't had an album where the penultimate track is longer than the closer since... Awake.

FlyingBIZKIT · July 11, 2011, 02:56:06 AM

Quote from: Aniland on July 11, 2011, 02:48:20 AM
Dream Theater hasn't had an album where the penultimate track is longer than the closer since... Awake.

Interesting.

TheGreatPretender · July 11, 2011, 02:57:43 AM

Quote from: Aniland on July 11, 2011, 02:48:20 AM
Dream Theater hasn't had an album where the penultimate track is longer than the closer since... Awake.

And even before awake, Learning To Live was the longest track on Images and Words. So Awake and Dream and Day are the only two albums where that's the case.

Aniland · July 11, 2011, 03:28:48 AM

1, 3, and 11.
3 - 1 = 2
Cut that two in half and you have 1 +1
1 + 1
11

NUGGETS

Aniland · July 11, 2011, 03:29:06 AM

No no, I'm way ahead of you guys. Allow me.

Jirpo · July 11, 2011, 03:31:26 AM

They haven't had a closer that isn't the longest song on the album since SFAM, and only 3 overall.

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